Here's an example right out of the gate.
On the Indiana Toll Road in Gary, exit 14A is Grant Street. However, the road drivers turn onto is actually Buchanan Street. To get to Grant Street, you would have to drive on a side street (or use 4th Avenue - US 12/20 west) and go six more blocks to actually get to Grant Street. In other words, extra steps are needed in order to get to the street listed on the BGS.
Are there any other instances in your neck of the woods? Please share them here. Thanks in advance for your responses.
Side note: when the exit was a double trumpet (in other words, before work to widen the Toll Road began), drivers exiting to "Grant Street" (southbound Buchanan Street) had a choice: keep straight to continue on Buchanan and merge, or take another gore point to the right (2nd Avenue) to eventually reach Grant. A small sign mentioned that option to drivers. Today, there are no indications of how to get to Grant outside of reading corner signage.
Just about every freeway exit in Los Angeles County.
Even more annoying are the side-street off ramps that are hidden in the freeway-to-freeway interchange ramps. Most of these are so poorly signed that you wouldn't know they were there until you were right on top of them (or were directed to them by GPS navigation). Some examples are the Soto St. exit hidden in the 5/101/60 interchange in East L.A., the Imperial Hwy. exit hidden in the 105/605 interchange in Norwalk, and the Garfield Ave. exit hidden in the 105/710 interchange in Paramount.
I recall wonky signage on an I-480 NB off ramp in Omaha for where/how far I had to get to whatever it was on the sign. I'll try and remember to check that when I'm in Omaha Wednesday or Thursday and report back if I recall it correctly or maybe it's been fixed or clarified or was screwy because of construction . . .
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The North Avenue exit on northbound I-43 exits onto Garfield Ave/Halyard St. A median was recently placed on Garfield Ave at 7th St to guide people to North Ave. People were getting confused and continuing on Garfield not knowing were North Ave was.
On Southbound Wis 145 in Milwaukee, all exits form a T intersection with Fond Du Lac Ave and have to take and traffic either has to turn left or right to go to the street mentioned on the BGS.
I can think of some examples in Ontario, but they're all well signed and easy for motorists to understand.
The QEW has some exits which lead to the N and S Service Roads instead of the road listed on the exit sign. This requires a short drive down the service road to get to the road you're looking for. An example is the Jordan Rd exit:
https://goo.gl/maps/nbqjNU6Mg7D2 (https://goo.gl/maps/nbqjNU6Mg7D2)
Where Highway 7 meets 85, the exit signs mention Victoria Street (Hwy 7) and Frederick St. From NB, you actually exit onto Bruce St and can either go left to Victoria or right to Frederick. From SB, you exit onto Edna St and can either go right to Victoria or left to Frederick.
https://goo.gl/maps/me7GmmtbUwB2 (https://goo.gl/maps/me7GmmtbUwB2)
There's an exit on southbound I-395 near the Pentagon that has a BGS saying simply "Clark St." The ramp leads to Boundary Channel Drive and I believe Clark Street itself no longer exists near that interchange and has been renamed. There is a South Clark Street further down the road to which the ramp does not connect directly.
A few on I-84 in CT:
Exit 2 in both directions (US 6/202) exits onto Union Carbide Rd. One must head NB on the road a few feet to reach US 6/202
Exit 8 WB (US 6 East) puts you on US 6 West for a few feet, then on SR 911. One has to loop around to reach US 6 East
Exit 11 (CT 34) exits to Wasserman Way. One must turn right onto Wasserman to the first light to reach CT 34
The Exit 23 ramp EB for CT 69 North exits onto Washington St; one must take a right off the exit to and cross over Hamilton St to get to 69 north (turn right on Hamilton and it's 69 south).
Exit 30 EB for Marion Ave puts you on Atwater St. (turning left and proceeding to the first light reaches Marion Ave).
Exit 44 (Prospect/Oakwood Aves) exit to neither in both directions. EB puts you on Caya St, and westbound puts you on Kane St (EB: proceeding straight on Caya reaches Prospect and a 160 degree right turn onto Caya to the next intersection reaches Oakwood. WB: Right on Kane to the first intersection to Prospect, left on Kane to the first intersection to Oakwood)
Exit 66 (Tunnel Rd) exits to South Frontage Rd eastbound and Whitney T Furguson Rd. westbound. A right turn to the first intersection EB and a left turn to the first intersection WB reaches Tunnel.
Quote from: 1995hoo on July 12, 2016, 07:29:26 AM
There's an exit on southbound I-395 near the Pentagon that has a BGS saying simply "Clark St." The ramp leads to Boundary Channel Drive and I believe Clark Street itself no longer exists near that interchange and has been renamed. There is a South Clark Street further down the road to which the ramp does not connect directly.
I think Old Jefferson Davis Highway and South Clark Street have been mereged into the (better-named, in my opinion) Long Bridge Drive. If you continue south on Long Bridge Drive from Boundary Channel to Crystal City, it becomes South Clark Street south of 12th Street South.
The details were discussed in the minutes presented: http://arlingtonva.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2014/01/halrb_Aug1711_Minutes1.pdf
You can see on GSV a road sign indicating the old names: https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8694036,-77.0451965,3a,75y,169.85h,81.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shikDdoJMncs27mDNTq6zMA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: Jardine on July 12, 2016, 02:38:19 AM
I recall wonky signage on an I-480 NB off ramp in Omaha for where/how far I had to get to whatever it was on the sign. I'll try and remember to check that when I'm in Omaha Wednesday or Thursday and report back if I recall it correctly or maybe it's been fixed or clarified or was screwy because of construction . . .
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It takes a few blocks to reach Dodge from the Harney/Dodge exit, and I don't recall there being any signs for Dodge after the exit. Just, of all things, a US 6 sign after Douglas.
In NJ, the exit ramp for US 30 off I-295 southbound (Exit 29) (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8741267,-75.0485217,16.42z) actually ends at Copley Road (which is not signed at all off 295).
This happens frequently in West Virginia. The Milton exit on I-64, for example, is signed for US 60, but is actually for a county road. Until a recent sign replacement, the exit for WV 705 on I-68 was actually for CR 857. Now it notes 857 with "To 705."
Wouldn't any freeway with service drives qualify?
The Belvidere Street exit on I-95 southbound in Richmond, Virginia ends on Leigh Street. There are no signs at the intersection to direct you to Belvidere Street, but there is one that directs you toward Chamberlayne Avenue (which Belvidere Street becomes after it crosses I-95/I-64).
The exit off of MN 100 northbound to Vernon Avenue/50th St in Edina, MN actually puts you on Grange Road. You have to take a left turn on Grange to get to Vernon/50th.
Going south on I-93 in Massachusetts, Exit 42 for Dascomb Rd. does not put you on Dascomb Rd.
Exit 249D on I-75/85 northbound in Atlanta is signed for US 19/US 29/Spring St/W Peachtree St. The light at the end of the ramp is at an intersection with Spring, but...
- To reach W Peachtree you must continue forward for a block on Linden Ave.
- To reach US 29, you would then need to turn left on W Peachtree to find it a block ahead at North Ave.
- And finally, US 19 is over a mile away, either straight ahead on W Peachtree or to the left on North Ave.
Strangely enough, on I-64/I-95 at exit 78 in Richmond VA, the exit is signed for "Boulevard". You're actually taken onto VA 161 or Hermitage Road (for I-64 EB/I-95 SB, you exit onto VA 161 - for I-64 WB/I-95 NB, you exit onto Hermitage Road). For I-64 EB/I-95 SB, you have to turn right to hit Boulevard. For I-64 WB/I-95 NB, you have to continue on Hermitage to VA 161, and turn left to reach Boulevard.
Exit 79A off of Interstate 70 in Indianapolis is signed for Meridian Street but when you get off the trumpet interchange style ramp the roadway becomes Madison Avenue. Because of the interstate's construction and the confusing alignment of streets in that area it is far from the worst thing however. The roadway does become Meridian Street in a couple of blocks to the north after crossing South Street and signage on the off-ramp from 70 does tell you to follow Madison Avenue north to Meridian Street. The sign wasn't always signed for Meridian, at one time it was just McCarty Street which is the first road the ramp comes up to after leaving the interstate. And on top of everything else this two-block stretch of Madison is orphaned from the rest of the road which runs to the south from McCarty Street all the way to the city of Greenwood.
Quote from: coatimundi on July 12, 2016, 12:30:03 PM
Quote from: Jardine on July 12, 2016, 02:38:19 AM
I recall wonky signage on an I-480 NB off ramp in Omaha for where/how far I had to get to whatever it was on the sign. I'll try and remember to check that when I'm in Omaha Wednesday or Thursday and report back if I recall it correctly or maybe it's been fixed or clarified or was screwy because of construction . . .
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It takes a few blocks to reach Dodge from the Harney/Dodge exit, and I don't recall there being any signs for Dodge after the exit. Just, of all things, a US 6 sign after Douglas.
Hey thanks, that was it.
A good chunk of Chicago exits. Some that come to mind is Canfield on I-90 westbound (exit onto Higgens to the stop light that is the exit street) and Harlem from I-90 eastbound (which again exits into Higgens, which leads to a stoplight of the exit street).
The list goes on. You would think Dots would put "To" on their signs for some of these
https://goo.gl/maps/yj7PYFUWPLB2
Exit for Creek Road puts you on Leaf Ave. first, then another side road before you finally reach Creek Road.
Most memorable experience for this was at an NJDOT public meeting for a construction project in the area when I mentioned something about the Creek Road exit. The consultant or NJDOT staff member argued with me that the exit put me on Leaf Ave. Well, yeah, I said, but it's the exit for Creek Road. He continued to argue it was for Leaf Ave. Tough to get a point across at these meetings when they debate the little stuff (especially stuff most people wouldn't know, as Leaf Ave isn't really signed in that area).
https://goo.gl/maps/EGPWqH8EGmo
Exit 2C and 2B puts you on NJ 140, which is unsigned from 295. A NJ Turnpike Exit for the same road does post NJ 140 correctly.
I-24 Exit in Tennessee. The exit is signed as Buchanon Rd, however, there is no Buchanon Road to be found anywhere. The road is Epps Mill Road.
In San Francisco, the southbound exit from US 101/Route 1 just past the Golden Gate Bridge (Exit 439) had been signed as "25th Avenue" for decades, even though the ramp is a full 1.6 miles away from 25th!!!! One would need to follow Merchant Road from the ramp to southbound Lincoln Boulevard, then make a right onto Lincoln and continue the mile and a half until it becomes El Camino Del Mar and then finally intersects 25th.
Taking Route 1 souththrough the Presidio and then making a right turn onto westbound Lake Street adds 3/4 of a mile to get to 25th but also uses a lot more practical freeway mileage than having to slog through the scenic Lincoln Boulevard routing. (Lincoln Boulevard and the Golden Gate Bridge visitor's center should be the real destination of that exit)
There IS a Lincoln Boulevard sign now at the ramp itself as of 2014.
https://goo.gl/maps/R37P81uWTJp
The old 25th Avenue sign from 2011:
https://goo.gl/maps/2BAszf7H5j72
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In a similar vein, both the 101/1 split in the Presidio and the 280/1 split near the Daly City BART station each sign Route 1 for "19th Avenue" even though 1 is somewhat distant from its 19th Avenue segment at both spots: 1.1 miles between the 280/1 split and the Junipero Serra/19th intersection, 3.1 miles from 101/1 to 19th and Lincoln Way! (The latter is much more egregious as 1 along Park Presidio is pretty much halfway between Funston and 14th Avenues, with a discontinuous segment of 19th to the west that is not part of the longstanding state highway corridor)
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Not quite as bad and more logical than the previous two examples: the exit for 82 south from 280 south (which from 1954-1964 was part of US 101) in San Francisco is labeled for "Mission Street" but instead is a ramp that carries you onto San Jose Avenue. It's another 3/4 mile southwest until you continue onto southbound Mission, and a half mile southeast via Sickles Avenue to get to northbound Mission.
More from the San Francisco Bay Area...
* The Winchester Blvd exit from southbound I-280 in San Jose puts you on Moorpark Ave.
* The Bascom Ave/Leigh Ave exits from southbound and northbound I-280 puts you on Moorpark Ave and Parkmoor Ave respectively.
* The Fair Oaks Ave exit from eastbound CA-237 puts you on Persian Drive.
* The Capitol Ave Auto Mall exit from northbound CA-87 puts you on Narvaez Ave.
* The Alma Ave exit from southbound CA-87 puts you on Lelong St.
One in my old neighborhood: Lucky Drive (https://goo.gl/maps/MaLVAeq11iM2) of US 101 in Corte Madera, CA.
Northbound, the exit is signed "Lucky Drive" , and southbound, it's "Lucky Drive - Doherty Drive" . Not only does US 101 not intersect or overpass any of these roads, they're essentially irrelevant to northbound traffic.
Unnumbered exit from the I-95/I-495 Inner Loop "Thru" carriageway has a BGS listing Eisenhower Avenue but actually puts you onto Mill Road, which intersects Eisenhower.
A lot of the examples mentioned are simply roads that are basically extensions of the ramps that eventually intersect the road mentioned in the sign (Example: US-127 and Grand River Ave/Saginaw St in Lansing, MI (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7421985,-84.5090677,17.21z)). Either that, or the ramp goes to a road parallel to the Interstate on its way to the road mentioned in the sign (Example: I-94 and Capital Ave in Battle Creek, MI (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2622478,-85.2004035,16.42z)).
Here's something completely different: The I-496/US-127 exit for Jolly Rd in Lansing, MI is a full interchange with, well, not Jolly Rd. (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6882883,-84.501337,15.83z)
I-78 just after the barrier toll in Jersey City exiting the Turnpike system at 14C used to have this exit signed for Grand Street if I recall correctly. The ramp actually begins over top of Grand Street, and working your way back to Grand requires a long loop back around in the other direction. They now have it signed more accurately for Columbus Drive (although it still exits to Center Street for one block to Columbus). Also glad they added Jersey City to the sign to highlight the fact that it's not just the Holland Tunnel after those tolls.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7145422,-74.0548814,3a,66.8y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZQdVjoWALFW6aaWL5xkVxA!2e0?force=lite (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7145422,-74.0548814,3a,66.8y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZQdVjoWALFW6aaWL5xkVxA!2e0?force=lite)
Also, this 'blink and you miss it' exit on I-280 in downtown Newark is signed for MLK Blvd. although it dumps you off on a side street (State St.) with no further guidance to MLK.
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7477917,-74.1711735,3a,66.8y,314.39h,81.85t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sRaDljdVw3unUGWYmsunpvw!2e0?force=lite (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7477917,-74.1711735,3a,66.8y,314.39h,81.85t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sRaDljdVw3unUGWYmsunpvw!2e0?force=lite)
The interchange at I-435 and Lackman Rd. used to not go directly to Lackman Rd. WB 435 traffic would go on to W 101st Terrace and EB435 would go on to W 105th st. But this is being fixed with the Johnson County Gateway Project. EB435 traffic is connected directly to Lackman now and there is no more ramps off of the 105th Street.
The WB435 to Lackman ramp is going to be connected to Lackman Road by the end of the year. However, 101st Terrace will still be used to connect to Lackman Rd for traffic that uses the new collector-distributor road from SB I-35 to WB K-10/NB I-435. The C-D road will also be completed at the end of the year.
This idiocy has bugged me since I've lived in this general area (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6600297,-73.7386949,3a,75y,237.7h,92.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSUKLTnNBxIhKfZSll8T2eA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).
You exit onto Water Street. No one cares about Colonie Street, which doesn't take anyone anywhere, except a defunct warehouse, and Columbia Street is a decent way down Water Street...for all those people looking for Columbia Street.
The EB off-ramps from I-96 to Fruit Ridge Ave (exit 26) and Alpine Ave (exit 30) both end at (parallel to I-96) Three Mile Rd.
Also, the Cedar St interchange on I-96 south of Lansing (a trumpet) actually dumps drivers onto Edgewood Blvd (Cedar is the second intersection; the first intersection is for Pennsylvania Ave).
The exit off RI-146 that is signed for RI-5/RI-102 is actually a few miles from either of those roads. The exit puts you onto RI-146A which you have to take north at least 2 miles to reach 5 or 102. Even worse is that 146A is not mentioned on signage for this exit at all.
405 at Getty Center Drive in both directions. The ramps put you on Sepulveda Blvd, well north of the actual Getty Center. But it was worse in the 80s. It used to be signed "Moraga Drive" SB (1.5 miles north of the actual street) and "Chalon Road" NB, which didn't even intersect the 405.
Westbound I-696 exit to Lahser puts you onto 11 Mile Rd. Eastbound (actually it's SB M-10 by that time) puts you onto Berg Rd.
Seems to be fairly common where the existing street grid is used to complete a job that would have taken more property taking just for the sake of a ramp direct to the named street. For example, I-76 EB to Arlington St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0620252,-81.4857596,3a,29.6y,182.09h,88.9t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sN8UBNCKzNV6qzy9iLv90dg!2e0) uses 5th Ave to finish the trip to Arlington, and I-77 NB to Vernon Odom/SR 261 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0661445,-81.573328,3a,29.6y,35.98h,88.73t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sz3LxC3hfcHUnHP7v9-VPuA!2e0) uses Frederick Blvd to actually get to Vernon Odom (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0667068,-81.5728998,3a,29.6y,73.27h,88.62t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sroy5I9vur6UYqKZpsdx_Dg!2e0). But in most such cases, the trip on the other road is short on the way to the one on the big sign.
Former case In Jacksonville Florida the i10 westbound only exit 359 was in the past signed for Edgewood Ave/Cassatt Ave. A few years ago the signs were changed to "Luna St. To Edgewood Ave/Cassatt Ave.
Luna St is a short residential street not really busy except for being part of exit
The former I-75 exit 60 in Ohio was Little York Rd / Stop Eight Rd. Southbound, you were dumped onto Miller Lane, a sort-of frontage road, and turned right or left respectively to get to the signed roads (and there was probably almost a mile from the exit ramp to Stop Eight Rd). Northbound was the same deal but the ramp dumped to Poe Ave (and NB actually was signed Poe Ave / Little York Rd / Stop Eight Rd). NB ramp was also far from Stop Eight Rd *and* you had to take a connector road to get to it from Poe Ave.
They were replaced with exit 59, Benchwood Rd / Wyse Rd, about 10 years ago. It's actually much closer to Stop Eight Rd than the former exit with that name.
ON 401, Exit 366 Bathurst Street:
The exit is signed solely as Bathurst Street but the ramp spits you out onto Wilson Avenue, and requires you to turn right to reach Bathurst Street, there is no mention of Wilson Avenue anywhere on the signs on the freeway.
https://goo.gl/maps/JbkQQFWjcp12 (https://goo.gl/maps/JbkQQFWjcp12)
https://goo.gl/maps/231h3igyboy (https://goo.gl/maps/231h3igyboy)
Orlando, FL: I-4 EB Exit 71 says " Sea World", but does not mention Central Florida Pkwy, the street it's for.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Orlando,+FL/@28.4042347,-81.4804259,3a,75y,31.55h,89.73t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1stsCHiDhB5yisZng0y-yr5w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DtsCHiDhB5yisZng0y-yr5w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D9.5132427%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x88e773d8fecdbc77:0xac3b2063ca5bf9e!8m2!3d28.5383355!4d-81.3792365!6m1!1e1
The EB I-70 exit for Shreve Ave. in St. Louis. It actually dumps you onto Bircher Blvd. Going straight will put you onto Marcus Ave.
CT Turnpike / I-95 exit 63 northbound - signed for CT-81 but puts you onto North High St. A left turn at the end of the ramp will then bring you to CT-81.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2876287,-72.5287816,183m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2876287,-72.5287816,183m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en)
The ramp did used to split. If you were to bear left, you would go directly to 81. Bearing right would take you to North High. If you look at historic aerials, and flip to the 1970 view, you can see the split still in use. I don't know when the direct connection to 81 was decommissioned but by the time I moved to town in 1983 it was covered by grass.
In the mid 90's, when Clinton Crossing was under construction, ConnDOT widened the ramp, and North High, to their current configurations. They used the former ramp area for construction storage, and in doing so, re-exposed the pavement. I had hoped they would reopen the ramp to 81 to accommodate the Clinton Crossing traffic, but instead they widened the ramp to North High, as well as North High itself. After that project, they re-planted the grass. I'm not sure if the pavement is still under there.
I-88's exit for Naperville Rd used to put you right on Naperville Rd until about 5 years ago. I have no idea why, but ISTHA reconfigured the interchange so that it puts you on a new road constructed to the west, ironically called Freedom Drive...as you wish you were free to just get to Naperville Rd already. If you want to get to Naperville Rd, you have to exit on Freedom Drive and then take either Warrenville Rd or Diehl Rd to Naperville Rd. The configuration is now so inefficient that I avoid the interchange altogether at this point. At least the BGS's say "TO" Naperville Rd on them.
Pretty much every exit in Texas :bigass:
I-85 Exit 50 in Alabama is signed as Auburn Technology Parkway but the road is Cox Rd. There is a Technology Parkway off of US-29/College St near it's intersection with Cox Rd. but is much easier to get to from Exit 51.
Another one for NJ: the exit ramp for NJ 73 northbound off I-295 southbound places one onto Nixon Dr. on an access road (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Moorestown,+NJ+08057/@39.938197,-74.9657668,16.04z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c14a98ac5efd09:0xb678295f4be1e444!8m2!3d39.9688817!4d-74.948886) near the Moorestown Mall. Though, there are TO prefixes in front of the NJ 73 shields.
Note: this ramp has only existed for about 20 years or so. The original exit ramp for NJ 73 northbound was closer to the cloverleaf (the interchange was previously a traditional, symetrical full-cloverleaf).
In Charleston WV, Exit 58A is signed for Oakwood Road, which is an insignificant side street. When the interstate was built, the exit ramp actually connected to it, but it is now the exit is the junction with US 119/Corridor G. Oakwood Road can only be reached by turning off the Corridor onto another insignificant side street (Cantley Drive) and then making a left turn across traffic to it or by proceding a mile on the Corridor to where Oakwood crosses it and turn making, again, a left turn against traffic. Some people actually refer to US 119 as Oakwood Road, but it is not.
Similarly in Huntington, Exit 15 is signed as 29th Street East. It actually puts you on US 60, outside the city limits and outside its street grid system at a point where 60 is running truly E-W which would make it an "avenue" not a "street" in the Huntington system. After more than a mile the road turns N-S and becomes, not 29th Street but, after a reworking of roads that has been finished for at least 20 years, 31st Street. To actually reach 29th Street one would have to follow 60 for almost 2 miles than then turn onto an avenue and then turn onto 29th. 29th being of no more or less significance than 28th or 30th since the reworking. Some people refer to US 60 as "29th Street Road" but actually the acceptable Post Office address is either "Midland Trail" or "US 60" with street numbers based on a theoretical extension of the street grid system it is not a part of.
Similarly, Exit 6 is signed as 17th Street West. It actually is the ramp for a bridge to Ohio. To reach 17th Street W, one would have to exit, then exit the ramp to the bridge, which would put you on Madison Avenue and then make a left turn across traffic and go a block to reach 17th. The bridge has been there since 1970 but the old signage for the previous direct connection to 17th is still used.
Quote from: PHLBOS on July 28, 2016, 10:29:32 AM
Another one for NJ: the exit ramp for NJ 73 northbound off I-295 southbound places one onto Nixon Dr. (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Moorestown,+NJ+08057/@39.938197,-74.9657668,16.04z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c14a98ac5efd09:0xb678295f4be1e444!8m2!3d39.9688817!4d-74.948886) near the Moorestown Mall.
Note: this ramp has only existed for about 20 years or so. The original exit ramp for NJ 73 northbound was closer to the cloverleaf (the interchange was previously a traditional, symetrical full-cloverleaf).
I was thinking of mentioning that one, but it does say TO 73, so there isn't a problem. It also technically does not put you on Nixon Drive as Nixon Drive is perpendicular to the exit ramp, which continues past it to provide direct access to the mall and the loop around it.
I am curious, though, why this exit was rebuilt. Is it because most southbound traffic only takes the exit to get to the mall (as opposed to Northeast Philly as one would think)? Because you need to pass three traffic lights (two if you cut through shopping centers) to get to 73 versus one to get to the same point on 73 had there been a direct ramp. Of course you can also take the exit ramp onto 73 South, then the ramp to 295 North, then the ramp to 73 North, but it seems like a pain to have to do that. Plus, if the exit was already there, why couldn't they just add another one to access the mall instead of replacing it?
Quote from: bzakharin on July 28, 2016, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on July 28, 2016, 10:29:32 AM
Another one for NJ: the exit ramp for NJ 73 northbound off I-295 southbound places one onto Nixon Dr. on an access road (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Moorestown,+NJ+08057/@39.938197,-74.9657668,16.04z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c14a98ac5efd09:0xb678295f4be1e444!8m2!3d39.9688817!4d-74.948886) near the Moorestown Mall. Though, there are TO prefixes in front of the NJ 73 shields.
Note: this ramp has only existed for about 20 years or so. The original exit ramp for NJ 73 northbound was closer to the cloverleaf (the interchange was previously a traditional, symetrical full-cloverleaf).
I was thinking of mentioning that one, but it does say TO 73, so there isn't a problem.
I forgot about the
TO in front of the NJ 73 shield for that exit good call. I've since edited my earlier post to reflect such.
Quote from: bzakharin on July 28, 2016, 01:10:46 PMI am curious, though, why this exit was rebuilt. Is it because most southbound traffic only takes the exit to get to the mall?
That would be my guess.
It was At a glance, it appeared to be designed in mind for improved access to the mall. Jeffandnicole could possibly confirm/elaborate.
Quote from: PHLBOS on July 28, 2016, 01:32:08 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on July 28, 2016, 01:10:46 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on July 28, 2016, 10:29:32 AM
Another one for NJ: the exit ramp for NJ 73 northbound off I-295 southbound places one onto Nixon Dr. on an access road (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Moorestown,+NJ+08057/@39.938197,-74.9657668,16.04z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c14a98ac5efd09:0xb678295f4be1e444!8m2!3d39.9688817!4d-74.948886) near the Moorestown Mall. Though, there are TO prefixes in front of the NJ 73 shields.
Note: this ramp has only existed for about 20 years or so. The original exit ramp for NJ 73 northbound was closer to the cloverleaf (the interchange was previously a traditional, symetrical full-cloverleaf).
I was thinking of mentioning that one, but it does say TO 73, so there isn't a problem.
I forgot about the TO in front of the NJ 73 shield for that exit good call. I've since edited my earlier post to reflect such.
Quote from: bzakharin on July 28, 2016, 01:10:46 PMI am curious, though, why this exit was rebuilt. Is it because most southbound traffic only takes the exit to get to the mall?
That would be my guess. It was designed in mind for improved access to the mall. Jeffandnicole could possibly confirm/elaborate.
Actually, it had nothing to do with the mall. It was a pitiful excuse of an agreement as part of the East Gate Square Shopping District.
When they built the East Gate shopping center around the mall area, the developers were able to buy convince NJDOT to have a ramp lead directly to and from the shopping center area, which of course benefited the mall as well. NJDOT also agreed that there wouldn't be enough weave distance between the on-ramp from Nixon and the then-existing off-ramp directly to 73 North. Thus, all motorists would have to exit 295 South towards Nixon, turn left, and go thru a few lights that always appeared to be timed as such that you hit red lights, in order to make their way to 73 North. So very convenient...for the shopping center developer and tenants. Not so convenient for traffic.
What's 'funny' is that the weave between those two ramps would've been longer than the exit weave in the cloverleaf between 295 & 73. But the ramps were deemed to be too close for traffic to safely use.
I wouldn't be surprised that NJDOT got the developer to pay for a number of road improvements (and "improvements" is probably an exaggeration) in exchange for this access.
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QuotePretty much every exit in Texas
Texas is way better than other places, esp Florida and Tenn. Their BGS's have the needed info, and they don't so partial interchanges, or no access grade separations like Florida so frequently does.
Florida sometimes leaves off the street name (Sea World Exit off I-4), or the route number (I-4 at Fairbanks/SR 426), and Tenn is horrible about omitting US highway shields from BGS's. For example, on I-75 at US 41/76, only US 41 is mentioned. Also, US 27 SB at I-24, US 27 is omitted, even though it continues on all the way to Miami.
One newer example that used to actually NOT be one, and entirely created by signage:
The exit from US 101/Bayshore Freeway north to Bayshore Boulevard, Exit 429C, had been signed as "Bayshore Boulevard" for decades, but when exit numbers came along, was given the name "Paul Avenue" to match the southbound exit of that number.
In fact, neither Paul Avenue ramp directly connects with the street of that name. Southbound requires backtracking 4 blocks up San Bruno Avenue, while northbound requires a quarter mile drive up Bayshore to reach Paul.
The Whipple Ave exit in Redwood City dumps you onto Veterans Boulevard.
Quote from: SP Cook on July 28, 2016, 11:49:06 AM
Similarly, Exit 6 is signed as 17th Street West. It actually is the ramp for a bridge to Ohio. To reach 17th Street W, one would have to exit, then exit the ramp to the bridge, which would put you on Madison Avenue and then make a left turn across traffic and go a block to reach 17th. The bridge has been there since 1970 but the old signage for the previous direct connection to 17th is still used.
Where is it signed for 17th Street West? On I-64, it's signed for US 52 -- West Huntington/Ironton OH. It used to be signed for Chesapeake OH, but the button copy for that was removed and replaced with Ironton. Then the whole sign was replaced with a Clearview sign a couple of years ago.
The exit from I-70 for Meridian Street in Indianapolis does not put you onto Meridian Street directly. This has a lot to do with the coplicated grid in downtown Indianapolis. If you look at a map, you will see that both Meridian Street and Madison Avenue are "broken" - meaning that diriving on the southern portion of Meridian does not lead you directly to the northern portion of Meridian. Similar for Madison.
From the exit, you are put on the northern portion of Madison for a few blocks and then Madison flows into the northern portion of Meridian as you head into Downtown. But there are no clear signs to lead to the southern portion of Meridian, which is also an important street.
I recommend some street name changes to alleviate this confusion. Madison Ave between South Street and McCarty should be renamed to something different. It is a gateway into Downtown, so perhaps for lack of anything better "Downtown Gateway". Meridian Street between Russel and Henry is a really small street and should also be renamed. And there should be clear signage directing traffic from Southern Meridian to northern Meridian by way of McCarty and "Downtown Gateway."
I don't know if this is still there since they are replacing signs on the GSP as construction progresses, but this:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3887819,-74.5688498,3a,75y,14.67h,67.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZpR-kZxnGUfZWtdksn5hVg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
actually puts you on Fire Road and you need to go left. The only reference to this after the exit is this sign:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.3914337,-74.5631256,3a,75y,106.85h,67.06t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sw4oxZ_6CZcFHTGgLp4jqyA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
which means little if you're not going to Atlantic City (not to mention, the much batter way to Atlantic City is the ACE 2 miles ahead. Is the GSP encouraging shunpiking? Ar the two toll authorities feuding with each other or what?)
The same thing applies in the other direction:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4147303,-74.553178,3a,75y,190.93h,90.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdAVB8XkESc46MFKMTuZoww!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
and the corresponding sign at the end of the exit ramp:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4054396,-74.5578411,3a,30y,214.5h,86.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saW5wnwE_5syyDMfqUERXXg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e1
This is even more stark because
1. Two consecutive exits are signed for "Atlantic City" on the same gantry
2. The latter sign has more info, but you can't really see it unless you're turning left here
3. It's not clear how you get to Atlantic City if you follow the arrow on the latter sign. Are you meant to take Fire Road? Route 9?
The southbound I-435 exit to 95th St actually dumps you onto Renner Blvd in Lenexa. You have to go through one roundabout before reaching 95th St/Prairie Star Pkwy itself.
Coincidentally, even though Prairie Star Pkwy is also accessible from southbound Exit 2 via Renner Blvd, it's not mentioned anywhere on signs along 435.
95th St ends at Renner Blvd, and becomes Prairie Star Pkwy when going west.
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Just outside of Chester, PA: ramps that are signed for Highland Ave. off both I-95 northbound and US 322 eastbound places one on Township Line Road. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8396865,-75.4056018,16.79z)
Further south in Boothwyn, along I-95 southbound; the exit ramp for Chichester Ave. places one on Pleasant Ave. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8288257,-75.4304324,16.76z)
In Chester itself, the I-95 northbound ramp for Kerlin St. places one on W. 12th St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8511616,-75.3723264,17.34z)
The ramp for Exit 6 off I-95 northbound places one on E. 12th St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8554805,-75.3622215,16.76z) and the southbound ramp for Exit 6 places one on Chestnut St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8603692,-75.3531056,16.76z)
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 01, 2016, 01:24:33 PM
Just outside of Chester, PA: ramps that are signed for Highland Ave. off both I-95 northbound and US 322 eastbound places one on Township Line Road. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8396865,-75.4056018,16.79z)
Further south in Boothwyn, along I-95 southbound; the exit ramp for Chichester Ave. places one on Pleasant Ave. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8288257,-75.4304324,16.76z)
In Chester itself, the I-95 northbound ramp for Kerlin St. places one on W. 12th St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8511616,-75.3723264,17.34z)
The ramp for Exit 6 off I-95 northbound places one on E. 12th St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8554805,-75.3622215,16.76z) and the southbound ramp for Exit 6 places one on Chestnut St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8603692,-75.3531056,16.76z)
Meanwhile, in Philadelphia, Exit 23 off I-95 in both directions dumps you onto Delaware Avenue. You can get to Lehigh Avenue thanks to a BGS, but no directions to Girard Avenue are offered.
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2016, 02:21:58 PMMeanwhile, in Philadelphia, Exit 23 off I-95 in both directions dumps you onto Delaware Avenue. You can get to Lehigh Avenue thanks to a BGS, but no directions to Girard Avenue are offered.
Until a few years ago, the exit ramp off I-95 southbound only placed one onto Girard Ave. and BGS legend matched that of the northbound signage (main body BGS originally read
Girard Ave./Lehigh Ave.) The connector to Aramingo Ave. (but signed for Delaware Ave.) is a recent add-on as a means for improved access to the Sugarhouse Casino.
Regarding Girard Ave.; there's good reason why no direction choices are given... it ends on nearby Richmond St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.972082,-75.1198722,16.04z)
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 01, 2016, 04:13:10 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2016, 02:21:58 PMMeanwhile, in Philadelphia, Exit 23 off I-95 in both directions dumps you onto Delaware Avenue. You can get to Lehigh Avenue thanks to a BGS, but no directions to Girard Avenue are offered.
Until a few years ago, the exit ramp off I-95 southbound only placed one onto Girard Ave. and BGS legend matched that of the northbound signage (main body BGS originally read Girard Ave./Lehigh Ave.) The connector to Aramingo Ave. (but signed for Delaware Ave.) is a recent add-on as a means for improved access to the Sugarhouse Casino.
Regarding Girard Ave.; there's good reason why no direction choices are given... it ends on nearby Richmond St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.972082,-75.1198722,16.04z)
Signs actually still say Lehigh Avenue/Girard Avenue on I-95. I haven't checked SB signage yet, but I assume it should be the same.
Yeah, should've checked the area first.
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2016, 04:46:32 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 01, 2016, 04:13:10 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2016, 02:21:58 PMMeanwhile, in Philadelphia, Exit 23 off I-95 in both directions dumps you onto Delaware Avenue. You can get to Lehigh Avenue thanks to a BGS, but no directions to Girard Avenue are offered.
Until a few years ago, the exit ramp off I-95 southbound only placed one onto Girard Ave. and BGS legend matched that of the northbound signage (main body BGS originally read Girard Ave./Lehigh Ave.) The connector to Aramingo Ave. (but signed for Delaware Ave.) is a recent add-on as a means for improved access to the Sugarhouse Casino.
Regarding Girard Ave.; there's good reason why no direction choices are given... it ends on nearby Richmond St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.972082,-75.1198722,16.04z)
Signs actually still say Lehigh Avenue/Girard Avenue on I-95. I haven't checked SB signage yet, but I assume it should be the same.
You might want to reread my earlier post (reposted above with
bold emphasis added); I made no mention of the northbound Exit 23 BGS' changing. The
Delaware Ave. text replaced the
Lehigh Ave. text only on the
southbound Exit 23 BGS'.
GSV Exit 23 BGS along I-95 southbound circa Nov. 2015 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9744112,-75.1184513,3a,75y,234.12h,81.24t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scrMP8IET0dv7d3dVHpAduA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DcrMP8IET0dv7d3dVHpAduA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D47.046688%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656)
Same BGS circa Aug. 2007 showing the original
Lehigh Ave. text (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9744794,-75.1183233,3a,75y,231.66h,75.25t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0RbXJLnx3v9ti3D2FZIPIA!2e0!5s20070801T000000!7i3328!8i1664)
The change to
Delaware Ave. occurred sometime between 2010 and 2011.
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 02, 2016, 09:26:04 AM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2016, 04:46:32 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on August 01, 2016, 04:13:10 PM
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 01, 2016, 02:21:58 PMMeanwhile, in Philadelphia, Exit 23 off I-95 in both directions dumps you onto Delaware Avenue. You can get to Lehigh Avenue thanks to a BGS, but no directions to Girard Avenue are offered.
Until a few years ago, the exit ramp off I-95 southbound only placed one onto Girard Ave. and BGS legend matched that of the northbound signage (main body BGS originally read Girard Ave./Lehigh Ave.) The connector to Aramingo Ave. (but signed for Delaware Ave.) is a recent add-on as a means for improved access to the Sugarhouse Casino.
Regarding Girard Ave.; there's good reason why no direction choices are given... it ends on nearby Richmond St. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.972082,-75.1198722,16.04z)
Signs actually still say Lehigh Avenue/Girard Avenue on I-95. I haven't checked SB signage yet, but I assume it should be the same.
You might want to reread my earlier post (reposted above with bold emphasis added); I made no mention of the northbound Exit 23 BGS' changing. The Delaware Ave. text replaced the Lehigh Ave. text only on the southbound Exit 23 BGS'.
GSV Exit 23 BGS along I-95 southbound circa Nov. 2015 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9744112,-75.1184513,3a,75y,234.12h,81.24t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scrMP8IET0dv7d3dVHpAduA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DcrMP8IET0dv7d3dVHpAduA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D47.046688%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656)
Same BGS circa Aug. 2007 showing the original Lehigh Ave. text (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9744794,-75.1183233,3a,75y,231.66h,75.25t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0RbXJLnx3v9ti3D2FZIPIA!2e0!5s20070801T000000!7i3328!8i1664)
The change to Delaware Ave. occurred sometime between 2010 and 2011.
My mistake; I thought that the bold text meant you referred to I-95 NB.
Here's another example in the Philadelphia area - you are led to Christopher Columbus Blvd.]https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9420491,-75.1433218,3a,25.6y,189.16h,96.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbSplL6jJb17CVET-103ZnA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1]you are led to Christopher Columbus Blvd. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9420491,-75.1433218,3a,25.6y,189.16h,96.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbSplL6jJb17CVET-103ZnA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1) However, Washington Ave. is mentioned when making a right turn.]https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9385348,-75.1428868,3a,52.8y,109.64h,99.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq0GXROMTAGcBDrXx64NDAw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1]Washington Ave. is mentioned when making a right turn. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9385348,-75.1428868,3a,52.8y,109.64h,99.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq0GXROMTAGcBDrXx64NDAw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1) Washington Avenue is a few blocks down Christopher Columbus Boulevard by turning right, so you are led the right way.
Quote from: noelbotevera on August 02, 2016, 01:58:57 PMHere's another example in the Philadelphia area - you are led to Christopher Columbus Blvd.]https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9420491,-75.1433218,3a,25.6y,189.16h,96.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbSplL6jJb17CVET-103ZnA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1]you are led to Christopher Columbus Blvd. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9420491,-75.1433218,3a,25.6y,189.16h,96.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbSplL6jJb17CVET-103ZnA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1) However, Washington Ave. is mentioned when making a right turn.]https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9385348,-75.1428868,3a,52.8y,109.64h,99.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq0GXROMTAGcBDrXx64NDAw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1]Washington Ave. is mentioned when making a right turn. (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9385348,-75.1428868,3a,52.8y,109.64h,99.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq0GXROMTAGcBDrXx64NDAw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1) Washington Avenue is a few blocks down Christopher Columbus Boulevard by turning right, so you are led the right way.
I think you're missing the whole point/premise of this thread. The OP is asking for roads that one turns on/merges with that are
not listed/called out on any exit sign; be it the primary or supplemental signage. Your fore-mentioned I-95/Columbus Blvd./Washington Ave. example doesn't meet that criteria because the exit ramps do indeed end on Columbus Blvd.
One of the ramps from I-83 to Timonium Road in Lutherville-Timonium, Maryland (a Baltimore suburb) empties out onto a road called Deereco Road, which then goes out to a light at Timonium Road. It's a couple of blocks from the Maryland State Fair. Also, I believe the ramp to I-83 north is only accessible by turning from Timonium onto Deereco and then turning left onto the ramp from Deereco.
Exit 10 off I-83 in Pennsylvania, just outside of the borough of Loganville, is marked "TO PA-214"; indeed, the interchange is actually situated along a road called North Street, but that road shortly segues into PA-214. PA-214 crosses over I-83 immediately to the north of the Exit 10 interchange.
Same with Exit 132 off I-95 in North Carolina, which is "TO NC-58"; I-95 crosses over NC-58 a couple miles away from the interchange.
Quote from: TheStranger on July 28, 2016, 02:28:50 PM
One newer example that used to actually NOT be one, and entirely created by signage:
The exit from US 101/Bayshore Freeway north to Bayshore Boulevard, Exit 429C, had been signed as "Bayshore Boulevard" for decades, but when exit numbers came along, was given the name "Paul Avenue" to match the southbound exit of that number.
In fact, neither Paul Avenue ramp directly connects with the street of that name. Southbound requires backtracking 4 blocks up San Bruno Avenue, while northbound requires a quarter mile drive up Bayshore to reach Paul.
I think Caltrans did it to avoid confusion with the other Bayshore Blvd exit in Brisbane, about three miles south (it was previously signed as "Brisbane/Cow Palace."
In Delaware, the SB ramp on I-95 to DE 52 South (Delaware Ave) in Wilmington dumps traffic onto 11th Street (after they cross S Adams Street). You have to go one block on 11th Street to reach Delaware Ave and DE 52 (at that intersection, 11th Street takes on DE 52 and Delaware Ave branches off).
Going northbound, the ramp exits onto S Adams Ave, which then ends at Delaware Ave a few blocks down.
https://goo.gl/maps/fRJsjNT7G5Q2
Prior to the 95th St interchange at US 69 in Overland Park being rebuilt in '08, the northbound ramp dumped you onto Switzer Road, and you had to turn left to reach 95th itself a block north. Switzer wasn't mentioned until you reached the stop light.
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