Are there any roads named after Jimmy Carter or Michael Dukakis outside of their respective home states (Georgia and Massachusetts)?
The reason I ask is that there's a zillion roads named after Ronald Reagan in states that aren't otherwise associated with ol' Ronnie.
Also, I saw a map not too long ago of a town somewhere (I think in upstate New York) that had streets named after most of the recent Presidents - Clinton Street, Bush Street, etc. - but for some reason they skipped Carter. Why would that be?
If I owned a private tank range, I'd name it the Michael Dukakis Tank Park and require everyone to wear a helmet.
A few local elementary and a middle/Jr high school in my hometown (Indio CA) are named after presidents. I attended Andrew Jackson and Dwight Eisenhower elementary, nearby Woodrow Wilson middle school (now closed) and Indio middle school, which was originally intended to be Ronald Reagan, until the superintendent derided the decision by saying "What good did he do to public education? NOTHING". His name went to an elementary school in Palm Desert, where there is a Gerald Ford (famous resident) and Jimmy Carter elementary school each.
Quote from: bandit957 on August 06, 2016, 02:01:02 AM
Also, I saw a map not too long ago of a town somewhere (I think in upstate New York) that had streets named after most of the recent Presidents - Clinton Street, Bush Street, etc. - but for some reason they skipped Carter. Why would that be?
Were there other presidents in the neighborhood too?
Cause Clinton could have been named after their famous governor who pushed for the Erie Canal, and Bush is, well a generic bush.
Dukakis was not President, just ran and lost.. i doubt there is any where other than his home town.. or named for Olympia Dukakis
Quote from: GaryV on August 06, 2016, 06:55:58 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on August 06, 2016, 02:01:02 AM
Also, I saw a map not too long ago of a town somewhere (I think in upstate New York) that had streets named after most of the recent Presidents - Clinton Street, Bush Street, etc. - but for some reason they skipped Carter. Why would that be?
Were there other presidents in the neighborhood too?
There is a street named for Reagan and I think for Eisenhower and Truman too.
Quote from: jwolfer on August 06, 2016, 08:07:26 AM
Dukakis was not President, just ran and lost.. i doubt there is any where other than his home town.. or named for Olympia Dukakis
Technically, he wasn't President, but he should still count. I think he should get a presidential museum just like all other recent Presidents.
Quote from: bandit957 on August 06, 2016, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on August 06, 2016, 08:07:26 AM
Dukakis was not President, just ran and lost.. i doubt there is any where other than his home town.. or named for Olympia Dukakis
Technically, he wasn't President, but he should still count. I think he should get a presidential museum just like all other recent Presidents.
Why would the same not apply to all other losing candidates (or maybe all major-party losing candidates, to place a practical limit on things)? I can certainly see why something might be named after a former governor
in his own state, and perhaps if he had a significant connection somewhere else there might be a reason for naming something there. (Without commenting on the merits of naming something, Mitt Romney comes to mind as an example–he was governor of Massachusetts, but he's widely associated with Utah due to his involvement with the Salt Lake City Olympics.)
But why would you count losing presidential candidates generally? Look at Walter Mondale or George McGovern, both of whom suffered crushing defeats–Mondale lost every state except Minnesota. I guess Mondale at least served as vice president (setting aside John Nance Garner's famous comment about the vice presidency not being worth a bucket of warm piss).
I believe there's an elementary school here in Milwaukee named after Barack and Michelle Obama. Waiting for a Chicago area freeway to put his name on it (like Eisenhower, Kennedy and even presidential candidate and former Illinois governor Adlai Stevenson. Keep in mind, many of these roads were named in the 50s-60s, when theses guys were around or died.
Eisenhower has his name on a number of interstates and interstate-related objects (like the tunnel in Colorado) due to his influence on the whole interstate system.
I-88 in Illinois is the Ronald Reagan Tollway due to it going past his birthplace. In other states, besides California, it was usually named after him as a result of overzealous Republican state legislators wasting time on symbolic posturing.
Quote from: bandit957 on August 06, 2016, 12:12:47 PM
Quote from: GaryV on August 06, 2016, 06:55:58 AM
Quote from: bandit957 on August 06, 2016, 02:01:02 AM
Also, I saw a map not too long ago of a town somewhere (I think in upstate New York) that had streets named after most of the recent Presidents - Clinton Street, Bush Street, etc. - but for some reason they skipped Carter. Why would that be?
Were there other presidents in the neighborhood too?
There is a street named for Reagan and I think for Eisenhower and Truman too.
There are many streets all over the country named after 19th century presidents. There's a bunch of consecutive ones in my town that are even named after less consequential ones like Arthur, Hays, Pierce, Harrison, etc. That's because many of these streets date back to that era.
I believe Carter has some Georgia highways named after him, as he is closely identified with that state, but there hasn't been a serious drive by politicians to slap his name on highways in other states. Same goes for Ford (aside from Michigan and Palm Springs, CA), Clinton, and the Bushes (pretty much limited to Texas). I don't think Nixon has anything named after him.
There are definitely roads named after Carter in Georgia. There's also a Jimmy Carter Way in Raleigh, and the other streets nearby don't have anything to do with other presidents (one is named for King Arthur!).
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 06, 2016, 12:31:41 PM
Why would the same not apply to all other losing candidates (or maybe all major-party losing candidates, to place a practical limit on things)? I can certainly see why something might be named after a former governor in his own state, and perhaps if he had a significant connection somewhere else there might be a reason for naming something there. (Without commenting on the merits of naming something, Mitt Romney comes to mind as an example–he was governor of Massachusetts, but he's widely associated with Utah due to his involvement with the Salt Lake City Olympics.)
But why would you count losing presidential candidates generally? Look at Walter Mondale or George McGovern, both of whom suffered crushing defeats–Mondale lost every state except Minnesota. I guess Mondale at least served as vice president (setting aside John Nance Garner's famous comment about the vice presidency not being worth a bucket of warm piss).
Because I think Dukakis should be an exception.
Quote from: bandit957 on August 06, 2016, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 06, 2016, 12:31:41 PM
Why would the same not apply to all other losing candidates (or maybe all major-party losing candidates, to place a practical limit on things)? I can certainly see why something might be named after a former governor in his own state, and perhaps if he had a significant connection somewhere else there might be a reason for naming something there. (Without commenting on the merits of naming something, Mitt Romney comes to mind as an example–he was governor of Massachusetts, but he's widely associated with Utah due to his involvement with the Salt Lake City Olympics.)
But why would you count losing presidential candidates generally? Look at Walter Mondale or George McGovern, both of whom suffered crushing defeats–Mondale lost every state except Minnesota. I guess Mondale at least served as vice president (setting aside John Nance Garner's famous comment about the vice presidency not being worth a bucket of warm piss).
Because I think Dukakis should be an exception.
Why?
Quote from: bandit957 on August 06, 2016, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on August 06, 2016, 08:07:26 AM
Dukakis was not President, just ran and lost.. i doubt there is any where other than his home town.. or named for Olympia Dukakis
Technically, he wasn't President, but he should still count. I think he should get a presidential museum just like all other recent Presidents.
This checks out.
Quote from: bandit957 on August 06, 2016, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 06, 2016, 12:31:41 PM
Why would the same not apply to all other losing candidates (or maybe all major-party losing candidates, to place a practical limit on things)? I can certainly see why something might be named after a former governor in his own state, and perhaps if he had a significant connection somewhere else there might be a reason for naming something there. (Without commenting on the merits of naming something, Mitt Romney comes to mind as an example–he was governor of Massachusetts, but he's widely associated with Utah due to his involvement with the Salt Lake City Olympics.)
But why would you count losing presidential candidates generally? Look at Walter Mondale or George McGovern, both of whom suffered crushing defeats–Mondale lost every state except Minnesota. I guess Mondale at least served as vice president (setting aside John Nance Garner's famous comment about the vice presidency not being worth a bucket of warm piss).
Because I think Dukakis should be an exception.
Then we can have the Bob Dole library, the John Kerry library et al. Presidential libraries are ok.. but realistically most Presidents end up being footnites in history
Franklin Pierce
Millard Filmore
If there were ever a Museum of Incompetent Presidential Campaigns, it would most logically be located at the corner of Dukakis Way and Gore Blvd.
The full extent of Michael Dukakis's impact during his Presidential campaign was summed up here:
If Mason City, Iowa expands far enough west some day, they may eventually have a Carter Ave. It appears to end at Eisenhower Ave., but for some weird reason, there's no Lincoln Avenue, or Buchanan for that matter, and the Roosevelt honored appears to be Franklin. They have a Benjamin Avenue (for Benjamin Harrison) and a Quincy Avenue (for John Quincy Adams), but no Theodore Avenue.
Horace Greeley is the one losing Presidential candidate with something named for him, Greeley, Colorado, as well as other places named Greeley.
Quote from: DandyDan on August 07, 2016, 01:24:05 AM
Horace Greeley is the one losing Presidential candidate with something named for him, Greeley, Colorado, as well as other places named Greeley.
There are a number of towns, including the one in Colorado, named after John Breckinridge, who lost to Lincoln in 1860. And that's just one example. This current cycle certainly excepted, presidential candidates usually aren't just boobs from off the street. They've typically had significant political and/or military careers prior to running.
Most of us who lived through the Carter years wish we could forget him.
Using OpenStreetMap's Overpass API, I found the following streets outside of Georgia:
Jimmy Carter Lane in Helper, Utah
Jimmy Carter Street near Weslaco, Texas
Jimmy Carter Road in southwestern Burnett County, Wisconsin
Jimmy Carter Cemetery Road in McCreary County, Kentucky (probably named for a different Jimmy Carter)
Jimmy Carter Way in Raleigh, already mentioned above
No street seems to be named "James Earl Carter." Carter itself is a reasonably common name so I didn't bother looking for it.
I found two roads named "Dukakis," one in Massachusetts and one in Alton, Texas. The former is named "Governor Dukakis Drive," latter is probably named after Mike Dukakis as well since several of the surrounding streets are named after actual presidents.
As for Reagan, the name itself is pretty common (like Carter) so restricting it to Ronald Reagan is more productive. OSM finds 831 streets named "Ronald Reagan" in some form, although lots (as you'd expect) are in California and Illinois.
Quote from: hbelkins on August 07, 2016, 04:06:35 AM
Most of us who lived through the Carter years wish we could forget him.
There's a lot of revisionism in the media. Recently I was talking with a family member about why Carter lost in 1980, and they said, "You have to remember how bad things were back then." That was from a family member who told me back in 1980 that they voted for Carter! So obviously things weren't too bad. I remember things being pretty good in 1980, and becoming worse later. But I'm not blaming one party in particular, because the misery lasted for decades.
Quote from: bandit957 on August 07, 2016, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on August 07, 2016, 04:06:35 AM
Most of us who lived through the Carter years wish we could forget him.
There's a lot of revisionism in the media. Recently I was talking with a family member about why Carter lost in 1980, and they said, "You have to remember how bad things were back then." That was from a family member who told me back in 1980 that they voted for Carter! So obviously things weren't too bad. I remember things being pretty good in 1980, and becoming worse later. But I'm not blaming one party in particular, because the misery lasted for decades.
Retrospect becomes clearer with the passage of time. Ford probably wasn't considered a great president during his term, but he did bring some calm to the executive branch after the chaos of the Nixon years, and was in the position of being well-liked and respected by members of both parties, due to his long tenure in the House.
Carter had a tougher go of it during his term. The Democratic Party's influence was shifting away from southern conservatives and toward northern liberals, so Carter, being a southern governor, was not trusted so much. This is why Ted Kennedy ran against him in the 1980 primaries. Carter did have some successes on the international stage, but the economy was still sluggish, and the ongoing Iran hostage crisis was the nail in the coffin. He was able to reinvent himself in later years by becoming a highly respected diplomat, writer, philanthropist and elder statesman. Few could argue that Carter was perhaps the most effective former president we ever had.
Quote from: bandit957 on August 06, 2016, 02:09:51 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 06, 2016, 12:31:41 PM
Why would the same not apply to all other losing candidates (or maybe all major-party losing candidates, to place a practical limit on things)? I can certainly see why something might be named after a former governor in his own state, and perhaps if he had a significant connection somewhere else there might be a reason for naming something there. (Without commenting on the merits of naming something, Mitt Romney comes to mind as an example–he was governor of Massachusetts, but he's widely associated with Utah due to his involvement with the Salt Lake City Olympics.)
But why would you count losing presidential candidates generally? Look at Walter Mondale or George McGovern, both of whom suffered crushing defeats–Mondale lost every state except Minnesota. I guess Mondale at least served as vice president (setting aside John Nance Garner's famous comment about the vice presidency not being worth a bucket of warm piss).
Because I think Dukakis should be an exception.
Well, I'm done reading this thread now. So much for logic.
Boston's South Station, the busiest rail station in Massachusetts and the one of the busiest nationally, is named after Dukakis ("The Governor Michael S. Dukakis Transportation Center at South Station"). This is probably the best honor you could bestow on him since he's a huge advocate of public transportation funding (via his Wikipedia page):
QuoteResidents of the city of Boston and its surrounding areas remember him for the improvements he made to Boston's mass transit system, especially major renovations to the city's trains and buses. He was known for riding the subway to work every day as governor.
I don't believe either Bush has anything named after them outside of Texas. Reagan is just the one exception. As far as Nixon goes I believe there is a freeway in California named after him.
At one point, both "freeway" sections of CA 90: Marina del Rey and Yorba Linda, had signage indicating that it was the Richard M. Nixon Freeway. Now that the Yorba Linda section has been effectively -- or partially -- decommissioned (that occurred just as I was moving to Northern Calif.), I am unaware of the current status of either section regarding such signage (it had been years since I used the western segment of CA 90). Any posters have more recent info on this?
Dan Faigin's site has the decommissioned part of the former CA 90 facility listed as being dubbed the "Richard Nixon Parkway" (the city, who now owns the roadway, apparently didn't want any reference to a freeway showing). If there's signage as such, verification or pix would be appreciated!
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on August 09, 2016, 04:45:43 PM
Boston's South Station, the busiest rail station in Massachusetts and the one of the busiest nationally, is named after Dukakis ("The Governor Michael S. Dukakis Transportation Center at South Station").
He didn't want it named such, though said the N-S line between North and South stations would be fine.
Quote from: dvferyance on August 20, 2016, 01:42:28 PM
I don't believe either Bush has anything named after them outside of Texas. Reagan is just the one exception. As far as Nixon goes I believe there is a freeway in California named after him.
The first Bush has CIA headquarters in Virginia named for him, but it makes sense since he was DCI for a time in the 1970s.
Quote from: dvferyance on August 20, 2016, 01:42:28 PM
I don't believe either Bush has anything named after them outside of Texas. Reagan is just the one exception. As far as Nixon goes I believe there is a freeway in California named after him.
There's an apartment complex in Reynoldsburg, Ohio with streets apparently named after presidents. One is Bush Boulevard.
Quote from: bandit957 on August 06, 2016, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on August 06, 2016, 08:07:26 AM
Dukakis was not President, just ran and lost.. i doubt there is any where other than his home town.. or named for Olympia Dukakis
Technically, he wasn't President, but he should still count. I think he should get a presidential museum just like all other recent Presidents.
Then we might as well give Bob Dole one, and Mitt Romney one also. The point is if you run for president you have to win and be president to get all the honors of being one.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 15, 2016, 08:12:16 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on August 06, 2016, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on August 06, 2016, 08:07:26 AM
Dukakis was not President, just ran and lost.. i doubt there is any where other than his home town.. or named for Olympia Dukakis
Technically, he wasn't President, but he should still count. I think he should get a presidential museum just like all other recent Presidents.
Then we might as well give Bob Dole one, and Mitt Romney one also. The point is if you run for president you have to win and be president to get all the honors of being one.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 15, 2016, 08:12:16 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on August 06, 2016, 12:13:59 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on August 06, 2016, 08:07:26 AM
Dukakis was not President, just ran and lost.. i doubt there is any where other than his home town.. or named for Olympia Dukakis
Technically, he wasn't President, but he should still count. I think he should get a presidential museum just like all other recent Presidents.
Then we might as well give Bob Dole one, and Mitt Romney one also. The point is if you run for president you have to win and be president to get all the honors of being one.
This is the US of A. We don't typically name roads after losers and we certainly don't give them presidential libraries.
BTW, you never have told us why you like this guy.
Bob Dole does have his own road:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bob+Dole+Dr,+Russell,+KS+67665/@38.8883518,-98.8526653,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x87a3c9e44896b5ff:0x34187c010c301e5d!8m2!3d38.8883518!4d-98.8439106?hl=en
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 15, 2016, 08:39:50 PM
Bob Dole does have his own road:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bob+Dole+Dr,+Russell,+KS+67665/@38.8883518,-98.8526653,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x87a3c9e44896b5ff:0x34187c010c301e5d!8m2!3d38.8883518!4d-98.8439106?hl=en
Well, his being a U.S. Senator from Kansas for 27 years likely has something to do with that.
There's the Kitty and Michael Dukakis Center for Urban and Regional Policy at Northeastern University in Boston.
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 19, 2016, 04:31:10 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on September 15, 2016, 08:39:50 PM
Bob Dole does have his own road:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Bob+Dole+Dr,+Russell,+KS+67665/@38.8883518,-98.8526653,15z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x87a3c9e44896b5ff:0x34187c010c301e5d!8m2!3d38.8883518!4d-98.8439106?hl=en
Well, his being a U.S. Senator from Kansas for 27 years likely has something to do with that.
Dole is from Russell, KS.
As for recent presidents, there are streets in the Kimberly, WI industrial park named Carter, Eisenhower, Ford, Kennedy and Truman.
Up until about WWII, it was normal to name streets in new developments after presidents, including recent ones.
Mike
I am sure there is something named after Jimmy Carter down in Americus, GA.
As for Michael Dukakis, sersiouly? That cat received how many electorial votes?
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on September 20, 2016, 02:33:43 PM
I am sure there is something named after Jimmy Carter down in Americus, GA.
The OP said outside the person's home state.
Quote from: DandyDan on August 07, 2016, 01:24:05 AM
If Mason City, Iowa expands far enough west some day, they may eventually have a Carter Ave. It appears to end at Eisenhower Ave., but for some weird reason, there's no Lincoln Avenue, or Buchanan for that matter, and the Roosevelt honored appears to be Franklin. They have a Benjamin Avenue (for Benjamin Harrison) and a Quincy Avenue (for John Quincy Adams), but no Theodore Avenue.
Horace Greeley is the one losing Presidential candidate with something named for him, Greeley, Colorado, as well as other places named Greeley.
I think Mason City's naming structure seems to place a presidential street at the location where a president would be assuming that the streets would fill in. In other words, if the city's grid ever gets filled in, then likely the skipped presidents will be appropriately named as well.
New Square, NY has most of its streets named after presidents, including some recent ones like Reagan, Bush, and Clinton.
Indio, CA has relatively major N-S arterials named after presidents (and even some named after other key politicians of the era) beginning with Washington, extending eastward. The names are largely in order and are typically one mile apart each and extend well beyond city limits into the open desert. JQ Adams is skipped. Taylor is skipped (probably too close in sound to Tyler). Benjamin Harrison is skipped. The pattern seems to go all the way to Grover Cleveland.
Central Chicago also names streets after presidents. These are e-w streets in the loop (downtown) and largely in order. Adams is placed in the order for JQA (not his father). Jefferson, for some reason, is a N-S street just over the river. Tyler is skipped. All presidents are named up to Fillmore. The next major street south of Fillmore is Roosevelt, which is a really major street.
The purpose of this thread seems to be to score some kind of cheap political point. Yes, Carter was a one-term president 40 years ago and yes, Dukakis was trounced in the 1988 election. So?
Quote from: Road Hog on October 23, 2016, 03:06:03 PM
The purpose of this thread seems to be to score some kind of cheap political point. Yes, Carter was a one-term president 40 years ago and yes, Dukakis was trounced in the 1988 election. So?
The OP does a lot of threads like this. I don't think there is a huge degree of seriousness that goes into any of them. This was the one that was probably taken the most seriously since it transitioned into other non-Presidential political figures who had roads named after them.
Knox County TN has roads named after Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, and Gerald Ford.
Ford actually came to Knoxville for a campaign stop. I'm not sure about the other two.