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Title: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: Henry on August 08, 2016, 01:06:24 PM
I don't think this has been done before, but I present to you the numbered street challenge! How many consecutive numbers can we get? The rules are pretty much the same: you must wait at least 5 posts before posting the next pic, and GSV is allowed here. Also, it doesn't have to have a St suffix; it can be Ave, Blvd, Pl, whatever, as long as it has a number before it. So let's kick it off with 1st Street:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.laeastside.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2011%2F03%2FIMG_2663-1024x768.jpg&hash=a24ad58b3944f1e6f91f0d5c06ad48bb105c7b74)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: 7/8 on August 08, 2016, 05:13:32 PM
I'm assuming it's okay if the number is written in words :)

Here's Second Ave (at Kingsway Dr) in Kitchener. Kitchener only goes up to Ninth Ave, so I'll have to start looking elsewhere once we pass that.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FfZGU6jU.jpg&hash=07d5ec3943df2060d1cb5d89ff2b6f0739b4bf1c)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: SD Mapman on August 08, 2016, 05:33:22 PM
3rd: GMSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.5117864,-103.8660365,3a,15y,276.01h,86.4t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swEEZ418I0IpiqWPfX9PnMA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DwEEZ418I0IpiqWPfX9PnMA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D311.13943%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656)

I know for sure we can get to 487 (because South Dakota statewide street grid (starting at 100))... the question is if pictorial evidence (or clear GMSV) can be found for some of those.
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: 7/8 on August 08, 2016, 06:34:42 PM
I have a couple questions:

1) Is there a 24 or 48-hour rule?

2)
a) Do the numbers have to be before the street suffix?
b) Do the numbers have to be in ordinal form (i.e. st, rd, or th) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_number_(linguistics))
- So would the following roads be acceptable? Concession Rd 4 in Puslinch, ON (https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.4609132,-80.2731514,3a,15y,145.95h,90.07t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sN6Pc6gWQOS7FvAU7T1P54Q!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DN6Pc6gWQOS7FvAU7T1P54Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D330.52045%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656), 25 Side Rd in Milton, ON (https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.563782,-80.091566,3a,15y,145.59h,87.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMt6CWy0z3hfaICMFAh8txg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), or Line 86 in West Montrose, ON (https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.5868985,-80.4665438,3a,15y,211.34h,101.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suk9ZNKgirgcdGPYQ6-jlUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).

Thanks :)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: Eth on August 08, 2016, 06:51:41 PM
N 4th Ave in Decatur, GA, the only one of its numbered streets to have a portion with a directional prefix:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ften93.com%2F2016%2Fn4th.jpg&hash=3c9d00ce70e82052e00e1a816e32b13cf821ca48)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: dgolub on August 08, 2016, 06:59:03 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greaternyroads.info%2Fnyc%2Fwest14%2Ffullsize%2F14w00011.jpg&hash=28c626ef4bd6fa4d146e74490bf2faec67018d49)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: Henry on August 08, 2016, 07:44:36 PM
Quote from: 7/8 on August 08, 2016, 06:34:42 PM
I have a couple questions:

1) Is there a 24 or 48-hour rule?

2)
a) Do the numbers have to be before the street suffix?
b) Do the numbers have to be in ordinal form (i.e. st, rd, or th) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinal_number_(linguistics))
- So would the following roads be acceptable? Concession Rd 4 in Puslinch, ON (https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.4609132,-80.2731514,3a,15y,145.95h,90.07t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sN6Pc6gWQOS7FvAU7T1P54Q!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DN6Pc6gWQOS7FvAU7T1P54Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D330.52045%26pitch%3D0!7i13312!8i6656), 25 Side Rd in Milton, ON (https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.563782,-80.091566,3a,15y,145.59h,87.8t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMt6CWy0z3hfaICMFAh8txg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), or Line 86 in West Montrose, ON (https://www.google.ca/maps/@43.5868985,-80.4665438,3a,15y,211.34h,101.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suk9ZNKgirgcdGPYQ6-jlUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).

Thanks :)

Glad you asked: 1. I'm using the 24-hour rule here, and 2. Numbers don't need to be before the suffix, and they don't need ordinal form to qualify; it's also fine to have the number written out as a word. We just need to see how many consecutive numbers we can get. However, route numbers will not count, as there's already a thread covering that (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17783.0).
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: paulthemapguy on August 08, 2016, 09:29:27 PM
Hah!  I get to do 6th street.  As soon as I saw that 6th Street was next, I knew exactly what it had to be.  Definitely the 6th Street I've walked down more than any other...in Champaign, Illinois.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msa-ps.com%2Fgetattachment%2F521387a2-3c7b-49f0-ad89-4cb014e9e1db%2FChampaign%25E2%2580%2599s-Green-Street-gets-its-first-%25E2%2580%2598Green%25E2%2580%2599-Ro.aspx%3FmaxSideSize%3D647&hash=5e6e60d101f9abfd3f402977699cbefc21911d96)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: national highway 1 on August 09, 2016, 01:12:06 AM
Seventh St, San Francisco
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images080/i-080_eb_exit_001_05.jpg)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: Bruce on August 09, 2016, 02:20:43 AM
8th Avenue in Seattle, which crosses over Interstate 5 at Freeway Park:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FYJ6Nl6R.jpg&hash=571c3f40c7a8c3c7d6bfd01a36dac6b1f4ab08fd)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: 7/8 on August 09, 2016, 07:02:01 AM
Ninth Ave at Kingsway Dr in Kitchener

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FFTMQUVF.jpg&hash=32eabb49cb3d1d1f165c47fe14cd0f2039b910c8)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: Mr. Matté on August 09, 2016, 07:19:45 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mwagner.de%2Fbruce%2Fpics%2F10th_estreet_810.jpg&hash=f2c2fe88de515a071d2d8ee35282c21a8bbd7884)'
From here: http://mwagner.de/musik/asbury-park-fotos/
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: dgolub on August 09, 2016, 08:55:25 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.greaternyroads.info%2Fnyc%2Fwest57%2Ffullsize%2F57e00001.jpg&hash=542029351439435d0e45c9dc502c63c10464aa70)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: national highway 1 on August 09, 2016, 09:26:40 AM
I-495 in Delaware
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/I-495_DE_NB_at_Twelfth_Street_exit.JPG/1280px-I-495_DE_NB_at_Twelfth_Street_exit.JPG)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: MVHighways on August 09, 2016, 09:44:08 AM
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6572742,-71.3034269,3a,15.9y,33.5h,89.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRfObOPHh14P6Aj4vp7JnCg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: Henry on August 09, 2016, 10:48:14 AM
(https://ephemeralnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/methomestreetsign.jpg)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: national highway 1 on August 10, 2016, 08:27:24 AM
I reckon that New York's Manhattan would be well-represented in this thread, given that it's the most famous example in the world of a numbered street grid. But many other cities across the States have numbered grids of their own so it will be interesting to see the variety between different cities' numbered streets.
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: dgolub on August 10, 2016, 08:44:58 AM
Quote from: national highway 1 on August 10, 2016, 08:27:24 AM
I reckon that New York's Manhattan would be well-represented in this thread, given that it's the most famous example in the world of a numbered street grid. But many other cities across the States have numbered grids of their own so it will be interesting to see the variety between different cities' numbered streets.

Also, considering that New York's numbered streets go up to 263 in the Bronx and 271 in Queens, it's got higher numbers than a lot of other places.
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: paulthemapguy on August 10, 2016, 09:08:19 AM
Widespread numbered streets in Chicago don't start until about 16 or 18, so it does make sense that we haven't seen any Chicago representation yet.  For some reason, the Chicago area is especially great for numbers that fit the scheme of 8n-1, where n is an integer (examples: 151, 159, 167, etc.).
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: roadfro on August 10, 2016, 04:23:18 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on August 10, 2016, 09:08:19 AM
Widespread numbered streets in Chicago don't start until about 16 or 18, so it does make sense that we haven't seen any Chicago representation yet.  For some reason, the Chicago area is especially great for numbers that fit the scheme of 8n-1, where n is an integer (examples: 151, 159, 167, etc.).

Sounds almost as if the gridded streets are based on a PLSS survey. The base line would be street "0", and each 1/8-section line road is a numbered street in the grid. So the major streets that fall on major section lines would be 0, 7, 15, 23, 31, etc. (in the formula mentioned, n is an integer >= 1). Typically in the PLSS system, each section is one square mile (survey errors and alignment oddities not withstanding).

Such is the genesis of the Detroit area's "# Mile" streets. They all are the major arterial that many miles away from whatever the base line road is.
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: Brandon on August 10, 2016, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: roadfro on August 10, 2016, 04:23:18 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on August 10, 2016, 09:08:19 AM
Widespread numbered streets in Chicago don't start until about 16 or 18, so it does make sense that we haven't seen any Chicago representation yet.  For some reason, the Chicago area is especially great for numbers that fit the scheme of 8n-1, where n is an integer (examples: 151, 159, 167, etc.).

Sounds almost as if the gridded streets are based on a PLSS survey. The base line would be street "0", and each 1/8-section line road is a numbered street in the grid. So the major streets that fall on major section lines would be 0, 7, 15, 23, 31, etc. (in the formula mentioned, n is an integer >= 1). Typically in the PLSS system, each section is one square mile (survey errors and alignment oddities not withstanding).

Such is the genesis of the Detroit area's "# Mile" streets. They all are the major arterial that many miles away from whatever the base line road is.

Actually, Chicago's is a bit wonky between Madison and 31st Street.  The mile roads are Madison (0), Roosevelt (1200), and Cermak (2200).  It's 12 blocks from Madison to Roosevelt, 10 blocks from Roosevelt to Cermak (22nd Street), and 9 blocks from Cermak to 31st Street.  Then the 8 blocks to the mile takes over.

They are all based off the PLSS (3rd Principal Meridian to be exact).
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: Bruce on August 11, 2016, 12:27:57 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fassets.inhabitat.com%2Fwp-content%2Fblogs.dir%2F1%2Ffiles%2F2011%2F05%2FStarbucks-15th-Ave-Coffee-Tea-Seattle-11.jpg&hash=17b1e9157d6b426223067173fcd862e8ff728cae)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: paulthemapguy on August 11, 2016, 10:20:42 AM
Quote from: Brandon on August 10, 2016, 05:32:45 PM
Quote from: roadfro on August 10, 2016, 04:23:18 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on August 10, 2016, 09:08:19 AM
Widespread numbered streets in Chicago don't start until about 16 or 18, so it does make sense that we haven't seen any Chicago representation yet.  For some reason, the Chicago area is especially great for numbers that fit the scheme of 8n-1, where n is an integer (examples: 151, 159, 167, etc.).

Sounds almost as if the gridded streets are based on a PLSS survey. The base line would be street "0", and each 1/8-section line road is a numbered street in the grid. So the major streets that fall on major section lines would be 0, 7, 15, 23, 31, etc. (in the formula mentioned, n is an integer >= 1). Typically in the PLSS system, each section is one square mile (survey errors and alignment oddities not withstanding).

Such is the genesis of the Detroit area's "# Mile" streets. They all are the major arterial that many miles away from whatever the base line road is.

Actually, Chicago's is a bit wonky between Madison and 31st Street.  The mile roads are Madison (0), Roosevelt (1200), and Cermak (2200).  It's 12 blocks from Madison to Roosevelt, 10 blocks from Roosevelt to Cermak (22nd Street), and 9 blocks from Cermak to 31st Street.  Then the 8 blocks to the mile takes over.

They are all based off the PLSS (3rd Principal Meridian to be exact).

Yeah I know.  And actually the Third Principal Meridian is used to establish longitude, not latitude.  I never realized until recently that Centralia, IL is named such because it lies at the junction of the Baseline and 3rd Principal Meridian, from which Township and Range are measured.  I always thought it was kind of odd how the Baseline is so far south--it's hardly an Illinois "equator."  But that owes to how Illinois was more heavily settled toward the south in its early days.
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: paulthemapguy on August 12, 2016, 06:23:57 PM
Took this an hour ago. Lockport, Illinois

(https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8628/28655104480_af8191e5ac_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: national highway 1 on August 13, 2016, 12:30:01 AM
17th St, Santa Ana, CA
(https://c5.staticflickr.com/5/4026/4323936300_a41a9dc4e1_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: Scott5114 on August 13, 2016, 04:12:38 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FPa4XKbm.jpg&hash=86c4c3e5ed8ff71dda52b04f88cefa864f48ad2d)

The exit for 18th Street Expressway from I-70 in Kansas City, KS. It's a freeway south of I-70.
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: myosh_tino on August 13, 2016, 09:46:26 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images280/i-280_nb_exit_049a_04.jpg)

19th Avenue exit from I-280 in San Francisco.  Photo courtesy of the AARoads Gallery.
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: cappicard on August 13, 2016, 11:12:46 PM
Many towns don't have a 13th Street for some superstitious reason.

For example, Great Bend, Kansas has Lakin Avenue in place of 13th Street.

Manhattan, Kansas has Manhattan Avenue (yes, how original!) instead.


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Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: national highway 1 on August 14, 2016, 03:51:53 AM
Quote from: cappicard on August 13, 2016, 11:12:46 PM
Many towns don't have a 13th Street for some superstitious reason.

For example, Great Bend, Kansas has Lakin Avenue in place of 13th Street.

Manhattan, Kansas has Manhattan Avenue (yes, how original!) instead.


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San Francisco's 13th St is hidden under the US 101 Central Freeway viaduct.
In the Richmond district near the Presidio and adjacent to CA 1, Funston Ave lies in the place where 13th Ave would be between 12th and 14th Aves.
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: myosh_tino on August 14, 2016, 02:33:01 PM
Quote from: national highway 1 on August 14, 2016, 03:51:53 AM
Quote from: cappicard on August 13, 2016, 11:12:46 PM
Many towns don't have a 13th Street for some superstitious reason.

For example, Great Bend, Kansas has Lakin Avenue in place of 13th Street.

Manhattan, Kansas has Manhattan Avenue (yes, how original!) instead.


iPhone
San Francisco's 13th St is hidden under the US 101 Central Freeway viaduct.
In the Richmond district near the Presidio and adjacent to CA 1, Funston Ave lies in the place where 13th Ave would be between 12th and 14th Aves.

San Jose's 13th Street is the southern extension of Oakland Road.  Exit signs on US 101 show both Oakland Road and 13th Street
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: Henry on August 15, 2016, 11:44:35 AM
20th Street NW in Washington, DC:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/7/6170/6169516052_dafc910c8d_z.jpg)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: Bruce on August 15, 2016, 04:42:24 PM
21st Avenue, Portland, OR:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Alphabet_District_NW_21st_Av.JPG/1024px-Alphabet_District_NW_21st_Av.JPG)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: Brandon on August 15, 2016, 07:23:42 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi837.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fzz298%2Fmidamcrossrds%2F100_1792.jpg&hash=0a7e53119112f707068007dbb24ad4718d119353) (http://s837.photobucket.com/user/midamcrossrds/media/100_1792.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: national highway 1 on August 16, 2016, 12:01:11 AM
23rd St, Oklahoma City, OK. Exit 130 on I-35.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.okroads.com%2F051903%2Fi35okexit130.JPG&hash=ffc7afe9ac5b8a527588ea11436194947a01400f)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: Henry on August 19, 2016, 10:48:38 AM
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pegasusventures.net%2Fwordpressblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2010%2F09%2F24th-street-noe-valley.jpg&hash=c915920b26002e11ab427fcc3d8dcab23b8d879a)
Title: Re: Numbered Street Challenge
Post by: national highway 1 on August 28, 2016, 01:04:29 AM
Invoking the 24 hour rule.
25th St, Exit 55 (unsigned) on I-280 southbound, San Francisco, CA
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images280/i-280_sb_exit_055_02.jpg)