Q: ...the Willis Tower?
A: The Sears Tower.
Q: ...the Robert F. Kennedy Bridge?
A: The Triborough Bridge.
And so on. I figure these two are pretty obvious and uncontested; but maybe we can find a few that aren't so easy–for example, the baseball stadium in Buffalo...?
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Q: Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport?
A: National Airport.
Q: I-93 in MA from Canton to Braintree, and I-95 from Canton to Peabody?
A: Route 128.
Q: This thread? (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18914)
A: That thread. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14896)
Quote from: empirestate on September 27, 2016, 10:08:40 PM
Q: ...the Willis Tower?
A: The Sears Tower.
Q: ...the Robert F. Kennedy Bridge?
A: The Triborough Bridge.
And so on. I figure these two are pretty obvious and uncontested; but maybe we can find a few that aren't so easy– for example, the baseball stadium in Buffalo...?
Isn't the real name the current name? These sound like former or original names, prior to being renamed. But that doesn't make it the 'real' name anymore.
Q Florida's Turnpike
A Sunshine State Parkway
Q JFK Airport
A NY International Airport
Though it was called Idelwild Airport it was technically the NY International Airport
Quote from: spooky on September 28, 2016, 08:53:51 AM
Q: I-93 in MA from Canton to Braintree, and I-95 from Canton to Peabody?
A: Route 128.
Actual answer: the Yankee Division Highway (which runs beyond Peabody, to Gloucester)
Q: Hugh L. Carey Tunnel?
A: Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel
Here's one they change every few days (it feels like it, anyway).
Q. Hard Rock Stadium?
A. Joe Robbie Stadium
Q The Jane Byrne Interchange?
A The circle interchange (or simply, the circle)
I have the urge to make a post referring to Bruce Jenner to be funny, but that could cause trouble because no doubt someone wouldn't find it funny.
Q: Wells Fargo/Wachovia/First Union/Core-States Center in Philadelphia?
A: Design documents called the then-proposed arena Spectrum II.
Q: Terminal A (now A-East) at PHL?
A: Richardson Dilworth International Terminal (when it first opened circa 1991, name appears only on a metal sign inside the building).
Q: Terminal A-West at PHL
A: Design documents referred to this then-proposed terminal as Terminal One.
That arena in Philly will always be the FU Center. Could there be a more perfect name in that particular city?
We can do Hollywood actors who changed their names for fame.
Even rock stars like David Bowie, who was David Jones, but changed to it to avoid confusion with Davey Jones of the Monkees.
Bob Dylan- Robert Zimmerman
Elton John- Reginald Dwight
Ringo Starr- Richard Starkey
Who could forget Marylin Monroe being Norma Jean either.
Someone at the office said something that prompted this one:
Q. Uno Chicago Grill?
A. Pizzeria Uno
^ Oh that reminds me
Q: Chipoltay?
A: CHIPOTLE. THE T COMES BEFORE THE L, SHITCAMEL
Q: TOSTINOS Pizza Rolls
A: TOTINOS Pizza Rolls. Like 80% of the people I know add an S for no reason at all.
The Sure Kill River in PA is the Schoo Kill River.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 28, 2016, 10:16:07 AM
The Sure Kill River in PA is the Schoo Kill River.
I've rarely hear the river being called the Sure Kill river...although you're not going to find many takers accepting a bet to swim in it!
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 28, 2016, 09:36:09 AM
That arena in Philly will always be the FU Center. Could there be a more perfect name in that particular city?
As appropriate as it is, there's very few that insist on calling it the FU Center. Most people just call it by its proper (and current) name.
Across the street though, most people call Lincoln Financial Field "The Linc". Across the street again, sometimes Citizens Bank Park is referred to as "The Bank".
I think the "Tostinos" is likely due to a perceived similarity to "Tostitos."
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 28, 2016, 08:57:07 AM
Isn't the real name the current name? These sound like former or original names, prior to being renamed.
No, that's the real name. The "real" name is different.
Quote from: formulanone on September 28, 2016, 08:57:02 AM
Q: This thread? (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=18914)
A: That thread. (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=14896)
Oh yeah; I know we've discussed this often, but for some reason I though a more digestible format was in order.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 28, 2016, 09:04:42 AM
Q JFK Airport
A NY International Airport
Though it was called Idelwild Airport it was technically the NY International Airport
Sounds like the "real" name is Idlewild, then.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 28, 2016, 09:36:55 AM
We can do Hollywood actors who changed their names for fame.
Even rock stars like David Bowie, who was David Jones, but changed to it to avoid confusion with Davey Jones of the Monkees.
Bob Dylan- Robert Zimmerman
Elton John- Reginald Dwight
Ringo Starr- Richard Starkey
Who could forget Marylin Monroe being Norma Jean either.
Interesting example of the reverse case. Usually, the "real" name is an original or at least former one, but in the case of celebrities it's usually going to be their screen/stage names rather than their birth names.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 28, 2016, 10:21:51 AMAcross the street though, most people call Lincoln Financial Field "The Linc".
I concur.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 28, 2016, 10:21:51 AMAcross the street again, sometimes Citizens Bank Park is referred to as "The Bank".
I don't believe I've
ever heard it called that.
Further south in Wilmington, DE; home of the Blue Rocks baseball team. The facility is called
Frawley Stadium but the ballfield itself is called
Judy Johnson Field.
Q. The Camping World Stadium
A The Florida Citrus Bowl
Hell to me its the Toilet Bowl and should have been torn down instead of rebuilt. But the city blackmailed us, and saying that we are not going to give you venues unless you build us or rehabilitate us a stadium. Buddy Dyer kissed ass and made sure that we would rebuild and get us good events at the stadium instead of what most Orlando residents thought, that was give us good events now and then invest the tax dollars into refurbishing.
To me IMO, I feel its in a bad location and other areas around Orlando have better road and transit access and room for proper parking as this current place sucks for parking and even though its right off of the 408, nobody uses that road because unless you live due east or due west of town it does you no good anyway. I do not know why they could not partnership with Disney and build a new Citrus Bowl on the Wide World of Sports Complex on WDW property that is fully accessible to I-4, Osceola Parkway, and even FL 417.
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 28, 2016, 11:27:30 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 28, 2016, 10:21:51 AMAcross the street again, sometimes Citizens Bank Park is referred to as "The Bank".
I don't believe I've ever heard it called that.
KYW 1060 uses 'The Bank' a lot.
Q: What's the real name of TD Garden?
A: The Gahden
Q: What's the real name of MSG?
A: The Gawden
Q: What's the real name of anything XFinity in Southern New England?
A: The Meadows, or Great Woods.
Serious one: What's the real name of the XL Center?
A: The Veterans' Memorial Coliseum
Used to live out in the "high desert" off I-15 north of Cajon Pass. The three major incorporated cities there were commonly referred to (at least by locals) as:
(1) Victimville
(2) Hysteria
(3) Asshole Valley
I trust forum readers can easily interpolate the real town names (broad hint: between exits #141 and #161 on I-15).
As of 2012, when I moved away, no one had yet come up with a consistently used derogatory name for the fourth, and newest, city -- Adelanto.
Quote from: sparker on September 28, 2016, 06:48:27 PM
Used to live out in the "high desert" off I-15 north of Cajon Pass. The three major incorporated cities there were commonly referred to (at least by locals) as:
(1) Victimville
(2) Hysteria
(3) Asshole Valley
I trust forum readers can easily interpolate the real town names (broad hint: between exits #141 and #161 on I-15).
As of 2012, when I moved away, no one had yet come up with a consistently used derogatory name for the fourth, and newest, city -- Adelanto.
Not too far from there north of Palm Springs you have Dillon Road or rather more accurately known locally as the "Windmill Graveyard." Seems there are a lot of body dumpings going on by the wind turbines. :eyebrow:
Quote from: roadman65 on September 28, 2016, 01:53:52 PM
Q. The Camping World Stadium
A The Florida Citrus Bowl
Hell to me its the Toilet Bowl and should have been torn down instead of rebuilt. But the city blackmailed us, and saying that we are not going to give you venues unless you build us or rehabilitate us a stadium. Buddy Dyer kissed ass and made sure that we would rebuild and get us good events at the stadium instead of what most Orlando residents thought, that was give us good events now and then invest the tax dollars into refurbishing.
To me IMO, I feel its in a bad location and other areas around Orlando have better road and transit access and room for proper parking as this current place sucks for parking and even though its right off of the 408, nobody uses that road because unless you live due east or due west of town it does you no good anyway. I do not know why they could not partnership with Disney and build a new Citrus Bowl on the Wide World of Sports Complex on WDW property that is fully accessible to I-4, Osceola Parkway, and even FL 417.
I always liked the "Toilet Bowl" moniker for Citrus Bowl. It's basically just west of Parramore and OBT which is akin to a demilitarized zone.....or retreaded tire lot.
What were all the bowl games called before the sponsors came in and ruined them?
Hall of fame bowl
Tangerine Bowl
not to mention that the number of "bowl games" has grown by leaps and bounds. (but that's another topic in Sports)
The one "sponsor named" bowl game name I thought worked well was the Blockbuster Bowl, named for said video rental chain. The name was exactly the right sort of name for a bowl game. Blockbuster pulled out when it was clear most of the major conferences would join the Bowl Coalition instead of sending their champions to the Blockbuster Bowl.
In Jacksonville the "Napoleon Bonaparte Broward Bridge" on 295 east Beltway is universally known as Dames Point Bridge
John T Alsop Bridge is the Main Street Bridge
Quote from: SSOWorld on September 29, 2016, 04:38:16 AM
not to mention that the number of "bowl games" has grown by leaps and bounds. (but that's another topic in Sports)
Bowl games have become the college version of "Everybody gets a trophy" day.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 28, 2016, 09:25:55 AM
I have the urge to make a post referring to Bruce Jenner to be funny, but that could cause trouble because no doubt someone wouldn't find it funny.
I'm dying of laughter over here and you didn't even post it!
Oh yeah, the topic:
Q: US Cellular Field
A: New Comiskey Park
Now I'm thinking about whether referring to the RFK Bridge as the Triboro Bridge is morally equivalent to referring to a transgender person by their birth name.
Q) Led Zeppellin IV?
A) (Nothing) It really never had a title and is just called it because it follows Led Zeppelin III
Q) The Beatles White Album
A) The Beatles
Q) Genesis Mama Album
A) Genesis
Quote from: roadman65 on September 29, 2016, 07:25:14 PM
Q) Led Zeppellin IV?
A) (Nothing) It really never had a title and is just called it because it follows Led Zeppelin III
Q) The Beatles White Album
A) The Beatles
Q) Genesis Mama Album
A) Genesis
I think, like jeffandnicole, you may be taking "real name" a little too literally for purposes of this thread.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 29, 2016, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 29, 2016, 07:25:14 PM
Q) Led Zeppellin IV?
A) (Nothing) It really never had a title and is just called it because it follows Led Zeppelin III
Q) The Beatles White Album
A) The Beatles
Q) Genesis Mama Album
A) Genesis
I think, like jeffandnicole, you may be taking "real name" a little too literally for purposes of this thread.
Yeah, seems like you've got it backwards. Everybody calls it "The White Album"; nobody calls it "The Beatles". "The Beatles" is its real name, but "The White Album" is its "real" name.
Make sense? :-)
Quote from: empirestate on September 29, 2016, 10:35:09 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 29, 2016, 09:08:34 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 29, 2016, 07:25:14 PM
Q) Led Zeppellin IV?
A) (Nothing) It really never had a title and is just called it because it follows Led Zeppelin III
Q) The Beatles White Album
A) The Beatles
Q) Genesis Mama Album
A) Genesis
I think, like jeffandnicole, you may be taking "real name" a little too literally for purposes of this thread.
Yeah, seems like you've got it backwards. Everybody calls it "The White Album"; nobody calls it "The Beatles". "The Beatles" is its real name, but "The White Album" is its "real" name.
Make sense? :-)
If I said the White Album, no one would know what I am talking about.
The White Album is what its called, but the name in the catalogue is "The Beatles." Its really a self titled album, but because they put no pictures on it, it got called that.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 29, 2016, 07:25:14 PM
Q) Genesis Mama Album
A) Genesis
My brothers and I tended to say "Genesis Genesis" for the sake of clarity.
Quote from: roadman65 on September 30, 2016, 12:06:58 AM
If I said the White Album, no one would know what I am talking about.
Sure they would; that's what everybody calls it. That is, in fact, why it's the "real" name. It's actually a great example; in fact, it even makes for kind of a fun take on the thread format:
Q: ...The Beatles?
A: The White Album.
:-D
Quote from: empirestate on September 30, 2016, 01:29:58 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 30, 2016, 12:06:58 AM
If I said the White Album, no one would know what I am talking about.
Sure they would; that's what everybody calls it. That is, in fact, why it's the "real" name. It's actually a great example; in fact, it even makes for kind of a fun take on the thread format:
Q: ...The Beatles?
A: The White Album.
:-D
I'd wager that more people recognize the reference "the White Album" than recognize "The Beatles" as an album name (as opposed to "the Beatles," with the lowercase article, as referring to a band, which everyone except maybe very little kids would recognize).
Q: Tobin Bridge
A: Mystic River Bridge
Quote from: roadman on September 30, 2016, 09:08:42 AM
Q: Tobin Bridge
A: Mystic River Bridge
See, and I always heard that referred to as the Tobin Bridge.
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Quote from: empirestate on September 30, 2016, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: roadman on September 30, 2016, 09:08:42 AM
Q: Tobin Bridge
A: Mystic River Bridge
See, and I always heard that referred to as the Tobin Bridge.
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I'm with you on that one. Tobin Bridge was the norm for me, although I grew up in western MA.
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2016, 10:34:50 AM
Quote from: empirestate on September 30, 2016, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: roadman on September 30, 2016, 09:08:42 AM
Q: Tobin Bridge
A: Mystic River Bridge
See, and I always heard that referred to as the Tobin Bridge.
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I'm with you on that one. Tobin Bridge was the norm for me, although I grew up in western MA.
Older signs along Storrow Drive and the Central Artery originally used
MYSTIC BRIDGE. I remember many traffic reporters during the late 70s referring to it as the
Mystic-Tobin Bridge for a while.
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 30, 2016, 07:19:44 AM
Quote from: empirestate on September 30, 2016, 01:29:58 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 30, 2016, 12:06:58 AM
If I said the White Album, no one would know what I am talking about.
Sure they would; that's what everybody calls it. That is, in fact, why it's the "real" name. It's actually a great example; in fact, it even makes for kind of a fun take on the thread format:
Q: ...The Beatles?
A: The White Album.
:-D
I'd wager that more people recognize the reference "the White Album" than recognize "The Beatles" as an album name (as opposed to "the Beatles," with the lowercase article, as referring to a band, which everyone except maybe very little kids would recognize).
Isn't their official name "The Beatles" (which was on, for example, the bass drum, and how they're titled on albums and merchandise) and not just "Beatles", so it would in fact be a capital T?
That said, it's been the White Album to me and everyone I know as long as I have been aware of its existence.
Quote from: DTComposer on September 30, 2016, 11:31:11 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 30, 2016, 07:19:44 AM
Quote from: empirestate on September 30, 2016, 01:29:58 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 30, 2016, 12:06:58 AM
If I said the White Album, no one would know what I am talking about.
Sure they would; that's what everybody calls it. That is, in fact, why it's the "real" name. It's actually a great example; in fact, it even makes for kind of a fun take on the thread format:
Q: ...The Beatles?
A: The White Album.
:-D
I'd wager that more people recognize the reference "the White Album" than recognize "The Beatles" as an album name (as opposed to "the Beatles," with the lowercase article, as referring to a band, which everyone except maybe very little kids would recognize).
Isn't their official name "The Beatles" (which was on, for example, the bass drum, and how they're titled on albums and merchandise) and not just "Beatles", so it would in fact be a capital T?
That said, it's been the White Album to me and everyone I know as long as I have been aware of its existence.
The standard grammatical/stylebook rule is that you do not capitalize the article in the context of things like rock band names and the like. Many newspapers follow an annoying rule where they capitalize "the" in their own names but not in other papers' (example: the Washington Post refers to itself as "The Washington Post" even in mid-sentence but will refer to its local competitor as "the Washington Times" in the same construction).
I know this led to an endless stupid edit war on Wikipedia among people who were fixated on the annoying Internet idea of something being "official." (I am unsure why many Internet users fixate so much on that word. I once saw a reference to an "official stadium site." Either it is the site or it isn't.)
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 30, 2016, 11:29:34 AM
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2016, 10:34:50 AM
Quote from: empirestate on September 30, 2016, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: roadman on September 30, 2016, 09:08:42 AM
Q: Tobin Bridge
A: Mystic River Bridge
See, and I always heard that referred to as the Tobin Bridge.
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I'm with you on that one. Tobin Bridge was the norm for me, although I grew up in western MA.
Older signs along Storrow Drive and the Central Artery originally used MYSTIC BRIDGE.
When the Upper Deck of I-93 was opened, the legends on the replacement BGSes on the Charles River Crossing were changed to read 'Charlestown Revere', with no reference to the bridge. Tobin Bridge didn't appear until the current signing on Storrow Drive, the Leverett Connector, and the Zakim Bridge and O'Neill Tunnel was installed as part of the Big Dig project.
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I remember many traffic reporters during the late 70s referring to it as the Mystic-Tobin Bridge for a while.
"Mystic-Tobin Bridge" was also the term used by MassDPW when referring to the bridge for many years. For some reason, MassPort took extreme exception to this and made a concerted effort beginning in 1985 to get local traffic reporters and others to refer to "Tobin Bridge."
Quote from: roadman on September 30, 2016, 12:11:20 PMWhen the Upper Deck of I-93 was opened, the legends on the replacement BGSes on the Charles River Crossing were changed to read 'Charlestown Revere', with no reference to the bridge.
There was one old BGS' along Storrow Drive that read
NORTH STATION-MYSTIC BRIDGE until the mid-to-late 80s when the MDC replace all the old signage (except for the infamous
REVERSE CURVE BGS).
Along the approach ramps to the Artery the signs for the I-93/US 1 Northbound ramp read
CHARLESTOWN-MYSTIC BRIDGE until either 1989 or 1990 when the DPW slapped on
TOBIN BRIDGE masks on the
MYSTIC BRIDGE legends. Those BGS' remained until the Big Dig project tore down those double-decker ramps.
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 30, 2016, 01:21:47 PM
Quote from: roadman on September 30, 2016, 12:11:20 PMWhen the Upper Deck of I-93 was opened, the legends on the replacement BGSes on the Charles River Crossing were changed to read 'Charlestown Revere', with no reference to the bridge.
There was one old BGS' along Storrow Drive that read NORTH STATION-MYSTIC BRIDGE until the mid-to-late 80s when the MDC replace all the old signage (except for the infamous REVERSE CURVE BGS).
Along the approach ramps to the Artery the signs for the I-93/US 1 Northbound ramp read CHARLESTOWN-MYSTIC BRIDGE until either 1989 or 1990 when the DPW slapped on TOBIN BRIDGE masks on the MYSTIC BRIDGE legends. Those BGS' remained until the Big Dig project tore down those double-decker ramps.
Mostly correct. The replacement mainline signs on the upper deck of the bridge over the Charles River, which went in after the I-93 upper deck was opened to traffic in 1973, read "Charlestown Revere". In late 1987, Charlestown was greened out with a blank panel when the slip ramp just before entering the Tobin Bridge northbound was closed under Phase 1 of the CANA project, but the modified signs remained until the Central Artery was demolished.
Quote from: empirestate on September 30, 2016, 01:29:58 AM
Quote from: roadman65 on September 30, 2016, 12:06:58 AM
If I said the White Album, no one would know what I am talking about.
Sure they would; that's what everybody calls it. That is, in fact, why it's the "real" name. It's actually a great example; in fact, it even makes for kind of a fun take on the thread format:
Q: ...The Beatles?
A: The White Album.
:-D
Not the youngsters of today. Well, some of them.
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 30, 2016, 01:21:47 PM
Quote from: roadman on September 30, 2016, 12:11:20 PMWhen the Upper Deck of I-93 was opened, the legends on the replacement BGSes on the Charles River Crossing were changed to read 'Charlestown Revere', with no reference to the bridge.
There was one old BGS' along Storrow Drive that read NORTH STATION-MYSTIC BRIDGE until the mid-to-late 80s when the MDC replace all the old signage (except for the infamous REVERSE CURVE BGS).
Along the approach ramps to the Artery the signs for the I-93/US 1 Northbound ramp read CHARLESTOWN-MYSTIC BRIDGE until either 1989 or 1990 when the DPW slapped on TOBIN BRIDGE masks on the MYSTIC BRIDGE legends. Those BGS' remained until the Big Dig project tore down those double-decker ramps.
I remembered when I was in Boston as a kid, it used US 1 North to Chelsea instead of the current Tobin Bridge. In fact the bridge had a different name then and I believe it was the Mystic River Bridge.
Quote from: roadman on September 30, 2016, 12:11:20 PM
"Mystic-Tobin Bridge" was also the term used by MassDPW when referring to the bridge for many years. For some reason, MassPort took extreme exception to this and made a concerted effort beginning in 1985 to get local traffic reporters and others to refer to "Tobin Bridge."
My knowledge of Boston comes mostly from after that time, so that could be why I always heard it that way. Certainly, the "real" answer my vary according to your perspective, especially a generational one.
Speaking of which:
Quote from: roadman65 on September 30, 2016, 10:12:15 PM
Quote from: empirestate on September 30, 2016, 01:29:58 AM
Sure they would; that's what everybody calls it. That is, in fact, why it's the "real" name. It's actually a great example; in fact, it even makes for kind of a fun take on the thread format:
Q: ...The Beatles?
A: The White Album.
:-D
Not the youngsters of today. Well, some of them.
What do the youngsters call it? (Or are they just not familiar with the concept of albums anymore?) :-D
Quote from: roadman65 on September 28, 2016, 09:04:42 AM
Q Florida's Turnpike
A Sunshine State Parkway
Never heard of a single reference to it as the SSP in 30 years of living within a few miles of it.
QuoteQ JFK Airport
A NY International Airport
Though it was called Idelwild Airport it was technically the NY International Airport
How bitter do you have to be to not call it JFK...are fifty years and a nearby LaGuardia not enough?
I understand that frequent name changes are an annoying burden, but after a generation or two, it's time to let go.
I never did get an answer to my original query:
Q: ...Dunn Tire Park/Coca-Cola Field/North AmeriCare Park?
A: Pilot Field.
That's the original name, anyway; would most Buffalovians still consider that the "real" name?
Q. I-84 from near Hartford to the Massachusetts Turnpike?
A. I-86.
Q: OK 66
A: US 66
Q: US 202 called in most places
A: Route/I- (insert number of concurrent road, or name of local road)
Continuing on these route "real" names:
- San Bernardino County Route 66 and CA 66: US 66
- Mohave County Route 10/Oatman Highway and AZ 66: US 66
- CA 60: US 60
- CA 99: US 99
- CA 299: US 299
- CA 46 and CA 58: US 466
- CA 33 and CA 119: US 399
- Old US 80, Maricopa County 85, AZ 79, and AZ 80: US 80
- AZ 89 and AZ 89A: US 89 and US 89A
I suppose the list gets a lot longer with some bigger routes like US 91 which I didn't throw in or even Grand River out back in the Midwest with US 16.
MN/WIS-16 - US 16
I-41 - US 41
What's the real name of USAir Arena/US Airways Arena? Capital Centre.
My dad's favorite sports venue past or present, Capital Centre, as it was originally known, was the original home of our favorite hockey team, the Washington Capitals, from 1974 until 1997. It was located in Landover, Maryland, where the Washington Redskins currently play. "Cap Centre" was also the home of the Washington Bullets/Wizards, who were formerly the Baltimore Bullets. When USAir acquired naming rights in 1993, my dad was not happy at all, and continued to call it Capital Centre. It then became US Airway Arena in 1996. In December 1997, a new arena in the District, MCI Center, was ready for the Capitals and Wizards. MCI Center became Verizon Center in 2006, and the name is expected to change again around 2018. My dad still misses Capital Centre. However, he does not miss USAir Arena/US Airways Arena.
I have good memories of the Capital Centre, but I don't miss the place at all.
I remember the Capital Centre being that weird looking building instead of have truss girders under the roof to support it cables were used to support the roof from outside the buidling and the designer did not do a good job in concealing them.
At least Madison Square Garden and also the place where the NBA Spurs play in San Antonio, that also use outside cables to support the roof, they sort of made the cables less conspicuous.
The Capital Centre was known for having a roof shaped something like a Pringle's potato chip. My high school trig teacher said the shape was a "hyperbolic paraboloid," whatever that is.
It was ahead of its time in apparently being the first arena with a video board suspended over the ice.
It was a product of its time in having the horrible old single-concourse design that led to hideous crowding during intermission and ridiculously long restroom lines. I recall there often being more women than men being lined up for the men's room booths simply because our lines were less long (I deliberately do not say "shorter" because the lines were still long).
Regarding real names, I was at the grocery store earlier this afternoon and I thought of this thread when I saw the lady in front of me at the checkout buying skim milk, which apparently they now want you to call "nonfat milk" (and I call disgusting either way; I grew up drinking lowfat milk, i.e. 2% milk, which apparently they now call "reduced fat milk").
The unnecessary use of the word "centre" seems very 1990s to me...sort of like the Fashion "Centre"(aka Pentagon City mall). I always presumed that the use was designed to convey an air of sophistication.
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on October 02, 2016, 05:12:45 PM
The unnecessary use of the word "centre" seems very 1990s to me...sort of like the Fashion "Centre"(aka Pentagon City mall). I always presumed that the use was designed to convey an air of sophistication.
In that case, I guess you'd say the Capital Centre was ahead of its time?
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 02, 2016, 05:26:08 PM
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on October 02, 2016, 05:12:45 PM
The unnecessary use of the word "centre" seems very 1990s to me...sort of like the Fashion "Centre"(aka Pentagon City mall). I always presumed that the use was designed to convey an air of sophistication.
In that case, I guess you'd say the Capital Centre was ahead of its time?
Maybe someone was part Canadian?
Quote from: GaryV on October 02, 2016, 06:02:41 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 02, 2016, 05:26:08 PM
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on October 02, 2016, 05:12:45 PM
The unnecessary use of the word "centre" seems very 1990s to me...sort of like the Fashion "Centre"(aka Pentagon City mall). I always presumed that the use was designed to convey an air of sophistication.
In that case, I guess you'd say the Capital Centre was ahead of its time?
Maybe someone was part Canadian?
The guy who built it, Abe Pollin, who owned the Caps and the Bullets, was Jewish and hailed from Philadelphia. For whatever that's worth.
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Quote from: AlexandriaVA on October 02, 2016, 05:12:45 PM
The unnecessary use of the word "centre" seems very 1990s to me...sort of like the Fashion "Centre"(aka Pentagon City mall). I always presumed that the use was designed to convey an air of sophistication.
In that case, I guess you'd say the Capital Centre was ahead of its time?
Maybe someone was part Canadian?
The guy who built it, Abe Pollin, who owned the Caps and the Bullets, was Jewish and hailed from Philadelphia. For whatever that's worth.
My reply was in jest. More likely, some marketing wonk thought it looked better, gave an image. Like people who name something "Ye Olde Shoppe".
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 01, 2016, 08:45:12 PM
Q. I-84 from near Hartford to the Massachusetts Turnpike?
A. I-86.
Nope, Wilbur Cross Highway and its first/original route number was MA 15 (1948-1980)
It received the I-84 designation initially (1956-1971), then changed to I-86 (1971-1984); then back to I-84 again (1984-present).
The question was not necessarily the original name, however.
If you asked me the real name of the DC NBA team, I'd say "Washington Bullets" even though they had three or four other names before that (Baltimore Bullets and Chicago Zephyrs among them).
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 03, 2016, 10:18:09 AM
The question was not necessarily the original name, however.
If you asked me the real name of the DC NBA team, I'd say "Washington Bullets" even though they had three or four other names before that (Baltimore Bullets and Chicago Zephyrs among them).
That section of I-84 is not currently called I-86 by locals.
Quote from: 1 on October 03, 2016, 10:29:38 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on October 03, 2016, 10:18:09 AM
The question was not necessarily the original name, however.
If you asked me the real name of the DC NBA team, I'd say "Washington Bullets" even though they had three or four other names before that (Baltimore Bullets and Chicago Zephyrs among them).
That section of I-84 is not currently called I-86 by locals.
Honestly, some of you people really have no sense of humor.
Sweet Jesus
The call of the question here is about what name is ingrained into the local population, even if it is not the "actual name" of the object in question.
Yes; for further example:
Q: ...Avenue of the Americas?
A: Sixth Avenue.
Q: ...Fashion Avenue?
A: Seventh Avenue.
Q: ...Duffy Square?
A: [The other end of] Times Square.
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Quote from: AlexandriaVA on October 02, 2016, 05:12:45 PM
The unnecessary use of the word "centre" seems very 1990s to me...sort of like the Fashion "Centre"(aka Pentagon City mall). I always presumed that the use was designed to convey an air of sophistication.
Both Maryland and Virginia have places named Cent
reville.
The one in Virginia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centreville,_Virginia) is a CDP off of I-66 in Fairfax County.
The one in Maryland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centreville,_Maryland) is an incorporated municipality and the county seat of Queen Anne's County (now effectively an exurban jurisdiction of Baltimore and Washington), northeast of Queenstown and west of U.S. 301.
Quote from: empirestate on September 27, 2016, 10:08:40 PM
Q: ...the Robert F. Kennedy Bridge?
A: The Triborough Bridge.
Q: RFK Stadium?
A: D.C. Stadium.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 01, 2016, 09:22:18 PM
Q: US 202 called in most places
A: Route/I- (insert number of concurrent road, or name of local road)
I grew up near Route 202. Never heard I-202? Is that a Pennsylvania thing?
Quote from: Rothman on October 04, 2016, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 01, 2016, 09:22:18 PM
Q: US 202 called in most places
A: Route/I- (insert number of concurrent road, or name of local road)
I grew up near Route 202. Never heard I-202? Is that a Pennsylvania thing?
Not in PA. 202 doesn't run parallel with
any Interstate in the Keystone State.
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 04, 2016, 01:31:38 PM
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Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 01, 2016, 09:22:18 PM
Q: US 202 called in most places
A: Route/I- (insert number of concurrent road, or name of local road)
I grew up near Route 202. Never heard I-202? Is that a Pennsylvania thing?
Not in PA. 202 doesn't run parallel with any Interstate in the Keystone State.
Re-read his post and I think I understand what he was trying to say.
Quote from: Rothman on October 04, 2016, 01:54:28 PM
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Quote from: Rothman on October 04, 2016, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 01, 2016, 09:22:18 PM
Q: US 202 called in most places
A: Route/I- (insert number of concurrent road, or name of local road)
I grew up near Route 202. Never heard I-202? Is that a Pennsylvania thing?
Not in PA. 202 doesn't run parallel with any Interstate in the Keystone State.
Re-read his post and I think I understand what he was trying to say.
The
I- portion of his post is what I think is throwing people off.
On the subject of route concurrencies w/202, there's a stretch that has a concurrency w/US 322 between Concordville & West Chester; I have
never heard anybody call that stretch
just 322.
JP's comment may be more appropriate for US 202 in Delaware; although most of those concurrencies (w/I-95 & DE 141) date back to 1984.
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 04, 2016, 03:07:43 PM
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Quote from: PHLBOS on October 04, 2016, 01:31:38 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 04, 2016, 12:08:15 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 01, 2016, 09:22:18 PM
Q: US 202 called in most places
A: Route/I- (insert number of concurrent road, or name of local road)
I grew up near Route 202. Never heard I-202? Is that a Pennsylvania thing?
Not in PA. 202 doesn't run parallel with any Interstate in the Keystone State.
Re-read his post and I think I understand what he was trying to say.
The I- portion of his post is what I think is throwing people off.
On the subject of route concurrencies w/202, there's a stretch that has a concurrency w/US 322 between Concordville & West Chester; I have never heard anybody call that stretch just 322.
JP's comment may be more appropriate for US 202 in Delaware; although most of those concurrencies (w/I-95 & DE 141) date back to 1984.
Makes me wonder if this is true for a lot of routes when they go through an urban area. I'm betting that US 202 gets called "Beech Street" quite often in Holyoke, MA, for example.
I was referring to most of 202. More specifically, the DE area (with DE 141 and I-95) and the stretch from the end of the Lambertville/New Hope bridge expressway to the split with MA 10 Westfield. Between East Amwell Township, NJ and Westfield, it has duplexes with:
NJ 31, US 206, CR 512, CR 525, CR 510, CR 511, ALT CR 511, NJ 23, CR 507, NY 59, US 9W, US 6 (twice), US 9, NY 35, NY 118, NY 22, I-84, US 7 (twice), CT 67, CT 4, US 44, CT/MA 10, CT 189, MA 57, US 20.
In NH and ME, it's also duplexed with many routes, including NH/ME 9 (twice), I-393, US 4, NH/ME 11 and ME 4. In other words, it's duplexed with another route for most of its length. PA is the only state where there isn't a significant duplex (brief US 322 and US 30 are about it).
Meh. Having grown up in western MA, the US 202 / MA 10 duplex goes either way in terms of what people call it (Route 202 or Route 10 being common).
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on October 04, 2016, 08:25:16 PMPA is the only state where there isn't a significant duplex (brief US 322 and US 30 are about it).
:confused: Huh? Where does 202 multiplex w/US 30? 202 crosses/interchanges w/30 (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0302472,-75.5817523,15z) just outside of Frazer but that's about it. Note: US 30 east of 202 runs along Lancaster Ave.
US 202 is concurrent with PA 263 in Bucks County.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 06, 2016, 08:28:39 AM
US 202 is concurrent with PA 263 in Bucks County.
Very true; that concurrency runs for roughly 2 miles.
I've got some more non-road ones. The "real" name of the BWI Thurgood Marshall Airport is the BWI Airport. The "real" name of RFK Stadium is District of Columbia Stadium or D.C. Stadium.
In my cumulative 20 years of living in the Bay Area, I've never heard anyone refer to CA 82 as anything but "El Camino" (almost always dropping the "Real") -- its literal signed name for all but a few blocks of The Alameda at its south end and Mission Street at its north. And -- tellingly -- although it was US 101 for 40 years (until the '64 renumbering), nobody but nobody has, in my recollection, referred to it as "Old 101" -- even the longtime natives who still refer to Sunnyvale-Saratoga Road as "Highway 9" (again, correct pre-1964).
Quote from: PHLBOS on September 28, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
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Q: I-93 in MA from Canton to Braintree, and I-95 from Canton to Peabody?
A: Route 128.
Actual answer: the Yankee Division Highway (which runs beyond Peabody, to Gloucester)
Nope. I'm kind of surprised roadman didn't call you on this one.
Long before it was called the Yankee Division Highway...back when it first opened as a continuous limited-access highway between the Lynnfield-Wakefield border and MA 9 in Wellesley in 1951...it was officially called the Circumferential Highway (and I'm sure you realize, from seeing that name, why it never stuck).
Duluth/Superior:
Q: "The Bridge"
A: I-535.
I had a lifelong resident of Superior tell me he never knew the Blatnik Bridge had a number (two of them, actually) until I mentioned it.
Quote from: slorydn1 on September 29, 2016, 04:51:29 PM
Q: US Cellular Field
A: New Comiskey Park
Now, alas, it's:
Q: Guaranteed Rate Field
A: The Cell
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Quote from: PHLBOS on September 28, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
Quote from: spooky on September 28, 2016, 08:53:51 AM
Q: I-93 in MA from Canton to Braintree, and I-95 from Canton to Peabody?
A: Route 128.
Actual answer: the Yankee Division Highway (which runs beyond Peabody, to Gloucester)
Nope. I'm kind of surprised roadman didn't call you on this one.
Long before it was called the Yankee Division Highway...back when it first opened as a continuous limited-access highway between the Lynnfield-Wakefield border and MA 9 in Wellesley in 1951...it was officially called the Circumferential Highway (and I'm sure you realize, from seeing that name, why it never stuck).
Actually, 128 was called the Circumferential Highway
before the Freeway portions of the Yankee Division Highway were even built (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Route_128) when 128 consisted of a network of streets.
Quote from: Mass Route 128 Wiki-LinkThe first section of the new Circumferential Highway, in no way the freeway that it is now, was the piece from Route 9 in Wellesley around the south side of Boston to Route 3 (now Route 53) in Hingham.
The freeway, prior to its full completion, was
officially named the Yankee Division Highway circa 1948 (either Roadman mentioned such to me or Steve Anderson wrote about it in his BostonRoads site); but, as with everything else, it may have taken a while for maps to include the name in its listings.
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 28, 2016, 04:47:50 PM
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Quote from: PHLBOS on September 28, 2016, 09:14:15 AM
Quote from: spooky on September 28, 2016, 08:53:51 AM
Q: I-93 in MA from Canton to Braintree, and I-95 from Canton to Peabody?
A: Route 128.
Actual answer: the Yankee Division Highway (which runs beyond Peabody, to Gloucester)
Nope. I'm kind of surprised roadman didn't call you on this one.
Long before it was called the Yankee Division Highway...back when it first opened as a continuous limited-access highway between the Lynnfield-Wakefield border and MA 9 in Wellesley in 1951...it was officially called the Circumferential Highway (and I'm sure you realize, from seeing that name, why it never stuck).
Actually, 128 was called the Circumferential Highway before the Freeway portions of the Yankee Division Highway were even built (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Route_128) when 128 consisted of a network of streets.
Quote from: Mass Route 128 Wiki-LinkThe first section of the new Circumferential Highway, in no way the freeway that it is now, was the piece from Route 9 in Wellesley around the south side of Boston to Route 3 (now Route 53) in Hingham.
The freeway, prior to its full completion, was officially named the Yankee Division Highway circa 1948 (either Roadman mentioned such to me or Steve Anderson wrote about it in his BostonRoads site); but, as with everything else, it may have taken a while for maps to include the name in its listings.
All that aside, I've never heard it called anything but "route 128". Did people in the olden days actually say "Yankee Division Highway" or "Circumferential Highway" in colloquial speech?
Quote from: empirestate on November 29, 2016, 11:20:21 AMAll that aside, I've never heard it called anything but "route 128". Did people in the olden days actually say "Yankee Division Highway" or "Circumferential Highway" in colloquial speech?
To the best of my knowledge, no; the names only appeared on road maps and on small, white supplemental median signs (at least for
Yankee Division Highway).
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 29, 2016, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: empirestate on November 29, 2016, 11:20:21 AMAll that aside, I've never heard it called anything but "route 128". Did people in the olden days actually say "Yankee Division Highway" or "Circumferential Highway" in colloquial speech?
To the best of my knowledge, no; the names only appeared on road maps and on small, white supplemental median signs (at least for Yankee Division Highway).
Then spooky's right; the "real" answer would be Route 128.
The Capital Beltway was, in the planning stages, called the "Circumferential Highway." Obviously they thought better of it, though there was some disagreement over "Capital" versus "Capitol."
I like the British term "Orbital Motorway."
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on November 27, 2016, 04:16:01 AM
Duluth/Superior:
Q: "The Bridge"
A: I-535.
I had a lifelong resident of Superior tell me he never knew the Blatnik Bridge had a number (two of them, actually) until I mentioned it.
Yep. Lived there for some time and it was "The Blatnik" or "The Bong Bridge" for the US 2 one. Only heard people refer to US 53 as the way south to Madison.
Quote from: empirestate on November 29, 2016, 10:00:59 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 29, 2016, 01:03:41 PM
Quote from: empirestate on November 29, 2016, 11:20:21 AMAll that aside, I've never heard it called anything but "route 128". Did people in the olden days actually say "Yankee Division Highway" or "Circumferential Highway" in colloquial speech?
To the best of my knowledge, no; the names only appeared on road maps and on small, white supplemental median signs (at least for Yankee Division Highway).
Then spooky's right; the "real" answer would be Route 128.
Keep in mind that Route 128 existed years prior to the construction of the highway. Massachusetts' state maps used to have a tabulation of interchange numbers for its highways and listed the following underneath Route 128 heading (
bold emphasis added):
Quote from: Massachusetts State Road MapsThe Following Exit Numbers for New Route #128 have been established and signs bearing those numbers and posted along this route at each exit.
Interestingly, the above-note carried over through the 1973-74 edition; well after the highway was fully constructed and corridors of the pre-highway 128 were decommissioned and/or renumbered (ex. MA 228).
The Arcadia Publishing book "Building Route 128" (https://www.amazon.com/Building-Route-128-Images-America/dp/0738511633), part of the "Images of America" series, has a great collection of photos of what MA 128 was originally, as PHLBOS alluded to: a collection of local roads which, in an tortured sort of way, described a circle around Boston through its suburbs, often directly through city and town centers. In Stoneham, for example, 128 consisted of:
Elm Street between the Stoneham-Wakefield town line and Main Street
Main Street between Elm Street and Montvale Avenue (currently MA 28)
Montvale Avenue between Main Street and the Stoneham-Woburn town line
Quote from: SidS1045 on December 01, 2016, 03:57:26 PM
The Arcadia Publishing book "Building Route 128" (https://www.amazon.com/Building-Route-128-Images-America/dp/0738511633), part of the "Images of America" series, has a great collection of photos of what MA 128 was originally, as PHLBOS alluded to: a collection of local roads which, in an tortured sort of way, described a circle around Boston through its suburbs, often directly through city and town centers. In Stoneham, for example, 128 consisted of:
Elm Street between the Stoneham-Wakefield town line and Main Street
Main Street between Elm Street and Montvale Avenue (currently MA 28)
Montvale Avenue between Main Street and the Stoneham-Woburn town line
It's probably similar to what the colored Belt Route system around Pittsburgh is today.
Q: Aurora Bridge
A: George Washington Memorial Bridge
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Q: I-90 floating bridges
A: Lacey V. Murrow Memorial Bridge and Homer M. Hadley Memorial Bridge
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Q: SR 520 Floating Bridge / Evergreen Point Floating Bridge
A: Governor Albert D. Rosellini Bridge
Most people call I-5 from Wheeler Ridge to Castaic "The Grapevine" these days. The route goes through Grapevine Canyon...but we're really going to call it that over the "Ridge Route?"
Quote from: Bruce on December 05, 2016, 12:12:13 AM
Q: Aurora Bridge
A: George Washington Memorial Bridge
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Q: I-90 floating bridges
A: Lacey V. Murrow Memorial Bridge and Homer M. Hadley Memorial Bridge
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Q: SR 520 Floating Bridge / Evergreen Point Floating Bridge
A: Governor Albert D. Rosellini Bridge
People actually use the longer memorial names over the short versions?? Or do you just have your Q's and A's mixed up?