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Title: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: mapman1071 on October 18, 2016, 10:46:05 PM
Outside of Suffolk County, NY where are County routes signed or written out on BGS?
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: cl94 on October 18, 2016, 11:01:31 PM
A few NYSDOT regions do it. Region 6 tends to put shields on signs as a rule, as does Region 8. NYSTA has one in Syracuse. Interestingly, Region 1 does not put CRs on their BGSes, even though most counties in the region sign CRs quite well. On the Northway, at least, Exits 8, 8A, 10, 11, 16, 18, 23, 24, 29 and 32 should have CRs on the BGSes.

Ohio sometimes puts CRs on BGSes. On the US 33 Lancaster bypass, CRs are put in a white square shield (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7673245,-82.689928,3a,25.8y,24.44h,90.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGavjMJhzqVx_5RFV0Lzc0A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). Alabama signs them on I-22 with the pentagon.

Edit: typo
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: kphoger on October 18, 2016, 11:02:48 PM
Minnesota, very much.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: formulanone on October 18, 2016, 11:12:37 PM
Quote from: cl94 on October 18, 2016, 11:01:31 PMAlabama signs them on I-22 with the pentagon.

Alabama has them on various BGS throughout the state's Interstate highways; most exits are "awarded" to State/US routes. It depends on how heavily the county road shields are used in the area (some counties do not use them, others are more sporadic, some counties use them extensively).

Florida frequently uses them - many of them are deprecated or truncated State Roads.

New Jersey uses them nearly everywhere.

Iowa uses them almost everywhere; there's a whole network of them.

California has a county route system, but I think shield usage is essentially unused on BGS. (I thought I saw an example on this board, but I can't recall.)

I've never seen any spelled out in Georgia nor Tennessee on guide signs; the latter only has one county (McMinn) that uses shields.

Texas has them sprinkled around in some counties, but I've never seen any on a BGS. They're usually seen in rural counties.

Naturally, Louisiana has Parrish Roads - I can think of one on I-12 and a few on "Future" I-49/US 90.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: cl94 on October 18, 2016, 11:22:55 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 18, 2016, 11:12:37 PM
New Jersey uses them nearly everywhere.

Duh. That might be the best example. I can't think of a state that signs them more reliably.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: coatimundi on October 18, 2016, 11:30:25 PM
There are a number of them in California.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1982533,-121.1520317,3a,75y,137.24h,90.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sY6o16SAwyzF1TVv3079QoA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Then there's CR 215 around Las Vegas:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0567199,-115.1803763,3a,37.5y,2.47h,100.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDYbliJ2z1eU-yqSn--5YdQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I know I've seen at least one in Arizona, but I can't recall where it was.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: myosh_tino on October 19, 2016, 12:33:24 AM
Quote from: coatimundi on October 18, 2016, 11:30:25 PM
There are a number of them in California.
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1982533,-121.1520317,3a,75y,137.24h,90.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sY6o16SAwyzF1TVv3079QoA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Here are a couple more on Lawrence Expwy in San Jose...

(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images999/cr-g002_nb_lawrence_expwy_204.jpg)

(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images999/cr-g002_nb_lawrence_expwy_211.jpg)
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: Brian556 on October 19, 2016, 12:41:23 AM
On I-20 E of Dallas, there is a BGS that has County Roads XXX/XXX spelled out textually
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: Mapmikey on October 19, 2016, 06:15:07 AM
North Carolina has a handful of these including this one on I-95 near Dunn:  https://goo.gl/maps/CxERZeh2Ud92

South Carolina used to have several but are down to just a small number.  Here is one still around on I-26 near Summerville: https://goo.gl/maps/4wbGHjfNXWG2

I can only think of one example in Virginia, I-77 north of Wytheville: https://goo.gl/maps/UPQFpLJnwdv
If Virginia were to do it routinely I would think it would use "Rte" in front as it does for a few primary routes.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: jbnati27 on October 19, 2016, 09:55:28 AM
Ohio will do this occasionally, too.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0672666,-80.8400184,3a,75y,124.15h,86.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4_OckgEbVBIHflPn48ocPw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: hbelkins on October 19, 2016, 10:42:58 AM
West Virginia's county routes are reliably signed on guide signs at interstate exits with the circular marker.

Someone referenced South Carolina. There are quite a few places where the exit is signed "Road nn" with no marker at all.

Quote from: Mapmikey on October 19, 2016, 06:15:07 AM
I can only think of one example in Virginia, I-77 north of Wytheville: https://goo.gl/maps/UPQFpLJnwdv
If Virginia were to do it routinely I would think it would use "Rte" in front as it does for a few primary routes.

That's been replaced with a standard sign.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: cl94 on October 19, 2016, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2016, 10:42:58 AM
West Virginia's county routes are reliably signed on guide signs at interstate exits with the circular marker.

Of course, if we want to be technical, they are really state secondary roads. And don't get me started on the fractionals.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: cpzilliacus on October 19, 2016, 10:57:15 AM
Maryland has no county routes signed anywhere except by name (county route numbers exist, but are all "secret" and never signed, and the state MUTCD Supplement strikes out the county pentagon sign).
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: kphoger on October 19, 2016, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 18, 2016, 11:12:37 PM
Texas has them sprinkled around in some counties, but I've never seen any on a BGS. They're usually seen in rural counties.

I've seen a county route shield on an advance guide sign in Texas...precisely one time.  The shield was actually a white square with 'COUNTY' instead of 'FM' above the number.  It appears to have been a one-off temporary sign during some construction work, however.  This was a few years ago on I-35 somewhere between Cotulla and San Antonio.  I cannot determine the exact location, but I suspect Medina County 770.




Here is some Minnesota examples from I-494 in Hennepin County:
County 34 (https://goo.gl/maps/498nLy7AcqM2)
County 62 (https://goo.gl/maps/odhEixqh13A2)
County 39 (https://goo.gl/maps/HTzN9cQwbcG2)
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: Brandon on October 19, 2016, 01:52:26 PM
Wisconsin.  The county trunk highways (CTHs) are always on BGSs.
Examples (of which there are very, very many):

https://goo.gl/maps/ka7oVXd1FyC2
https://goo.gl/maps/hhiWDcQ9i7H2
https://goo.gl/maps/GUPhAZYR1XM2
https://goo.gl/maps/xCaF6dLkUw12

Illinois has a few here and there, but they are rare.

https://goo.gl/maps/VJzueMFbzW12
https://goo.gl/maps/Fte3kXGpcP22

Michigan signs the County Designated Highways (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_County-Designated_Highways_in_Michigan), which are different than county highways.

https://goo.gl/maps/YQbEh6ecHcG2
https://goo.gl/maps/K9gSZtKLHKB2
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: kphoger on October 19, 2016, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2016, 01:52:26 PM
Wisconsin.  The county trunk highways (CTHs) are always on BGSs.

Examples (of which there are very, very many):

https://goo.gl/maps/ka7oVXd1FyC2
https://goo.gl/maps/hhiWDcQ9i7H2
https://goo.gl/maps/GUPhAZYR1XM2
https://goo.gl/maps/xCaF6dLkUw12

I was in the mood for some overhead signage from Wisconsin (https://goo.gl/maps/9vcpAVAjt8t).
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: DaBigE on October 19, 2016, 02:03:21 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 19, 2016, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2016, 01:52:26 PM
Wisconsin.  The county trunk highways (CTHs) are always on BGSs.

Examples (of which there are very, very many):

https://goo.gl/maps/ka7oVXd1FyC2
https://goo.gl/maps/hhiWDcQ9i7H2
https://goo.gl/maps/GUPhAZYR1XM2
https://goo.gl/maps/xCaF6dLkUw12

I was in the mood for some overhead signage from Wisconsin (https://goo.gl/maps/9vcpAVAjt8t).

How about where the county highway is the only destination on the sign (https://goo.gl/maps/S8K5FgNKoa92)?
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: Brandon on October 19, 2016, 02:04:50 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on October 19, 2016, 02:03:21 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 19, 2016, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2016, 01:52:26 PM
Wisconsin.  The county trunk highways (CTHs) are always on BGSs.

Examples (of which there are very, very many):

https://goo.gl/maps/ka7oVXd1FyC2
https://goo.gl/maps/hhiWDcQ9i7H2
https://goo.gl/maps/GUPhAZYR1XM2
https://goo.gl/maps/xCaF6dLkUw12

I was in the mood for some overhead signage from Wisconsin (https://goo.gl/maps/9vcpAVAjt8t).

How about where the county highway is the only destination on the sign (https://goo.gl/maps/S8K5FgNKoa92)?

Hey now, it goes EAST-WEST!  :-D
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: Avalanchez71 on October 19, 2016, 03:32:49 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2016, 01:52:26 PM
Wisconsin.  The county trunk highways (CTHs) are always on BGSs.
Examples (of which there are very, very many):

https://goo.gl/maps/ka7oVXd1FyC2
https://goo.gl/maps/hhiWDcQ9i7H2
https://goo.gl/maps/GUPhAZYR1XM2
https://goo.gl/maps/xCaF6dLkUw12

Illinois has a few here and there, but they are rare.

https://goo.gl/maps/VJzueMFbzW12
https://goo.gl/maps/Fte3kXGpcP22

Michigan signs the County Designated Highways (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_County-Designated_Highways_in_Michigan), which are different than county highways.

https://goo.gl/maps/YQbEh6ecHcG2
https://goo.gl/maps/K9gSZtKLHKB2

I don't remember that Lake County CR A1.  If you turn back time you can see that it is a recent addition.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: froggie on October 19, 2016, 03:49:24 PM
Quote from: cl94 on October 18, 2016, 11:22:55 PM
Quote from: formulanone on October 18, 2016, 11:12:37 PM
New Jersey uses them nearly everywhere.

Duh. That might be the best example. I can't think of a state that signs them more reliably.

I'm presuming based on your response that you haven't been to the Upper Midwest...(MN/WI/IA specifically)
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: Brandon on October 19, 2016, 03:55:44 PM
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on October 19, 2016, 03:32:49 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2016, 01:52:26 PM
Wisconsin.  The county trunk highways (CTHs) are always on BGSs.
Examples (of which there are very, very many):

https://goo.gl/maps/ka7oVXd1FyC2
https://goo.gl/maps/hhiWDcQ9i7H2
https://goo.gl/maps/GUPhAZYR1XM2
https://goo.gl/maps/xCaF6dLkUw12

Illinois has a few here and there, but they are rare.

https://goo.gl/maps/VJzueMFbzW12
https://goo.gl/maps/Fte3kXGpcP22

Michigan signs the County Designated Highways (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_County-Designated_Highways_in_Michigan), which are different than county highways.

https://goo.gl/maps/YQbEh6ecHcG2
https://goo.gl/maps/K9gSZtKLHKB2

I don't remember that Lake County CR A1.  If you turn back time you can see that it is a recent addition.

It was installed with the new round of signage, including the APL signs.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: Windfarmer on October 19, 2016, 04:13:07 PM
Here's another Ohio example:

https://goo.gl/maps/zChkRahPivt
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: bassoon1986 on October 19, 2016, 10:07:55 PM
Louisiana has a few. Some with older blue pentagons and number only and some newer ones with the full parish name listed as well. On a side note distance signs with one for the next exit simply list "Parish Rd"
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: Rothman on October 20, 2016, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: cl94 on October 19, 2016, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2016, 10:42:58 AM
West Virginia's county routes are reliably signed on guide signs at interstate exits with the circular marker.

Of course, if we want to be technical, they are really state secondary roads. And don't get me started on the fractionals.

...or the "home" routes. :D
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: cl94 on October 20, 2016, 12:32:38 PM
Quote from: Rothman on October 20, 2016, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: cl94 on October 19, 2016, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2016, 10:42:58 AM
West Virginia's county routes are reliably signed on guide signs at interstate exits with the circular marker.

Of course, if we want to be technical, they are really state secondary roads. And don't get me started on the fractionals.

...or the "home" routes. :D

Oh, the HARP roads. Those exist as fractionals, too. There were also DELTA routes if you want to get really confusing. Yeah, WVDOT is fuuuuuucked up.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: coatimundi on October 20, 2016, 12:43:39 PM
Quote from: DaBigE on October 19, 2016, 02:03:21 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 19, 2016, 01:57:29 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2016, 01:52:26 PM
Wisconsin.  The county trunk highways (CTHs) are always on BGSs.

Examples (of which there are very, very many):

https://goo.gl/maps/ka7oVXd1FyC2
https://goo.gl/maps/hhiWDcQ9i7H2
https://goo.gl/maps/GUPhAZYR1XM2
https://goo.gl/maps/xCaF6dLkUw12

I was in the mood for some overhead signage from Wisconsin (https://goo.gl/maps/9vcpAVAjt8t).

How about where the county highway is the only destination on the sign (https://goo.gl/maps/S8K5FgNKoa92)?

Iowa, FTW!
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.4933014,-94.6551969,3a,37.5y,310.32h,82.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9ACcy0Il-UpcQA7djffteA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Seriously, that's an awful sign.

The White Pole Road exit, CR G30. It's a historic section of US 6 while US 6 currently follows I-80 much of the way through Iowa. That section of the White Pole Road southwest of here is also particularly scenic and pleasant.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: NWI_Irish96 on October 20, 2016, 01:01:28 PM
On the Indiana Toll Road, the signs for Exit 96 include the blue county highway shield for County Road 17 (even though the road itself never uses that shield).
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: Brandon on October 20, 2016, 04:04:20 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 20, 2016, 01:01:28 PM
On the Indiana Toll Road, the signs for Exit 96 include the blue county highway shield for County Road 17 (even though the road itself never uses that shield).

And the "destination" is "Elkhart East".
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on October 20, 2016, 10:03:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2016, 11:02:48 PM
Minnesota, very much.

It's funny in the two cases shields have been seemingly arbitrarily greened out presumably to avoid confusion with other routes: I-494 at CR 5 in Minnetonka (to avoid confusion with MN 5 five miles away), and I-494 at CR 52 in Bloomington (to avoid confusion with US 52, I assume, which is about ten miles away). Yet the CR 35 shields on the Portland Avenue BGSs were kept despite being three miles from I-35W.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: kphoger on October 21, 2016, 02:53:15 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 20, 2016, 10:03:45 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2016, 11:02:48 PM
Minnesota, very much.

It's funny in the two cases shields have been seemingly arbitrarily greened out presumably to avoid confusion with other routes: I-494 at CR 5 in Minnetonka (to avoid confusion with MN 5 five miles away), and I-494 at CR 52 in Bloomington (to avoid confusion with US 52, I assume, which is about ten miles away). Yet the CR 35 shields on the Portland Avenue BGSs were kept despite being three miles from I-35W.

Also, good luck finding an actual county highway shield on a BGS near the interchange of I-35W and US/County-10 north of Minneapolis.  The absence is so striking, it must be to avoid confusion.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: froggie on October 24, 2016, 06:30:25 PM
Quote from: kphogerAlso, good luck finding an actual county highway shield on a BGS near the interchange of I-35W and US/County-10 north of Minneapolis.  The absence is so striking, it must be to avoid confusion.

???? (http://www.ajfroggie.com/roadpics/mn/i35w/sb125.jpg)

(GMSV from 2015 shows it's still there, as is a CSAH 10 shield for the northbound off-ramp)

Now, if you're referring to county routes other than CSAH 10, it has to do with Ramsey County generally not putting an emphasis on it's numbered county routes, with the exception of those routes that are decommissioned state highway segments (such as CSAH 10, CSAH 49, and CSAH 96).  Heck, until about 15-20 years ago, Ramsey County didn't even sign their CSAH route numbers.  Anywhere.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: mwb1848 on October 27, 2016, 04:51:57 PM
New Mexico which, as we know, has no affinity for anything regarding convention when it comes to signage, treats drivers to this haphazard homage to TxDOT's F.M./R.M. BGS convention on I-25 south of Santa Fe.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi907.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fac274%2Fmartinbartlett%2FCR%252050F_zps6pkoyumz.png&hash=bdfc4d57c2bf86f45b6dfcd4b6999f73c2d2d537) (http://s907.photobucket.com/user/martinbartlett/media/CR%2050F_zps6pkoyumz.png.html)

Image from Google Street View.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: route17fan on October 27, 2016, 07:24:12 PM
This example is, possibly, the only pentagonal county shield in the state of Ohio on a BGS.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1401116,-81.5518989,3a,15y,15.95h,89.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJxKcFc0PmCYqo60vqm7evw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Are there others? If so, I have not encountered them yet.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: marleythedog on October 27, 2016, 08:04:15 PM
Quote from: route17fan on October 27, 2016, 07:24:12 PM
This example is, possibly, the only pentagonal county shield in the state of Ohio on a BGS.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1401116,-81.5518989,3a,15y,15.95h,89.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJxKcFc0PmCYqo60vqm7evw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Are there others? If so, I have not encountered them yet.

The only time I've seen it is on construction BOSs. In advance of a contraflow near I-75 Exit 78 this year, there was signage "TO [Pentagon Miami County 25A] RIGHT LANE". Miami County doesn't use pentagons. This same area had detour assemblies with black-on-white pentagon shields. Contractors sure do interesting things sometimes.

But no, I can't think of anywhere in Ohio where I've seen a county road in shield form on a BGS, pentagonal, square, or otherwise.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: paulthemapguy on October 27, 2016, 10:19:55 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 19, 2016, 01:52:26 PM

Illinois has a few here and there, but they are rare.

https://goo.gl/maps/VJzueMFbzW12
https://goo.gl/maps/Fte3kXGpcP22


It's super-rare in Illinois, but there are two other downstate examples I can add to the mix:

https://goo.gl/maps/knxj5ZK8Rm52
And I thought I saw a McDonough County 8 BGS along IL-336 someone posted recently in another thread
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: Revive 755 on October 29, 2016, 11:12:55 AM
Quote from: formulanone on October 18, 2016, 11:12:37 PM

Iowa uses them almost everywhere; there's a whole network of them.

For some reason Iowa does not seem to sign them as much on I-80 east of Des Moines though - there are several interchanges where only the nearby towns are listed and the county route is omitted from the sign.



Taney County 165 being signed for an exit of US 65 in Branson may be the only occurrence of this in Missouri:  Streetview (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6621964,-93.2222989,3a,44.6y,207.09h,99.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sINzInXMvR87aY2ajl5_6-A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: dgolub on October 30, 2016, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: mapman1071 on October 18, 2016, 10:46:05 PM
Outside of Suffolk County, NY where are County routes signed or written out on BGS?

How about Rockland County, NY?  Lots of photos available at http://www.greaternyroads.info/roads/nypark/palisade and http://www.greaternyroads.info/roads/nystate/ny59.
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: route17fan on October 30, 2016, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: dgolub on October 30, 2016, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: mapman1071 on October 18, 2016, 10:46:05 PM
Outside of Suffolk County, NY where are County routes signed or written out on BGS?

How about Rockland County, NY?  Lots of photos available at http://www.greaternyroads.info/roads/nypark/palisade and http://www.greaternyroads.info/roads/nystate/ny59.

Dutchess County on the Taconic has some as well. :)
Title: Re: County routes signed or written out on BGS
Post by: steviep24 on October 30, 2016, 08:32:52 PM
Quote from: route17fan on October 30, 2016, 07:49:26 PM
Quote from: dgolub on October 30, 2016, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: mapman1071 on October 18, 2016, 10:46:05 PM
Outside of Suffolk County, NY where are County routes signed or written out on BGS?

How about Rockland County, NY?  Lots of photos available at http://www.greaternyroads.info/roads/nypark/palisade and http://www.greaternyroads.info/roads/nystate/ny59.

Dutchess County on the Taconic has some as well. :)
I 86/NY 17 has some as well.