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Title: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: inkyatari on November 23, 2016, 01:51:26 PM
I was wondering, is there anywhere an instance of a freeway or expressway using a National, State or city park as a "control city"?
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: NE2 on November 23, 2016, 02:25:20 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images041/ca-041_nb_exit_126a_03.jpg)
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: coatimundi on November 23, 2016, 02:38:12 PM
A two-for, also in Fresno:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.7498398,-119.775986,3a,75y,13.62h,88.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swjeKJONFB5-wZZddMS4e2w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Fresno markets itself as a national park destination (because they've got little else), but the parks are the major destinations in these cases. 180 ends in the park.

Edit: Thought I'd throw the BGS in Visalia out as well. And this one actually says "Park":
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.3268054,-119.3014532,3a,75y,91.09h,87.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spW_mRVoo4124_KUKjREusw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: Max Rockatansky on November 23, 2016, 03:50:18 PM
198 near Lemoore has a 78 mile control marker for Sequoia National Park on the eastbound lanes in addition to what was already said about Visalia.  I'm pretty sure that Petried Forest National Park is on I-40 somewhere.

Anyways here is what I was referring too on 198:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2915545,-119.7812255,3a,75y,49.9h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sILQcWq0gx3iT4GdZVSi0_g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2915439,-119.7760068,3a,75y,90h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAMHkq0Vv_50R888eoOKjXA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!6m1!1e1?hl=en
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: jwolfer on November 23, 2016, 04:59:59 PM
Disney World

LGMS428

Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: Michael on November 23, 2016, 05:12:08 PM
There's a sign for Niagara Falls State Park (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0747314,-78.9903225,3a,48y,16.37h,94.16t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1syLbyVRZJ2HpevxkTrzl1iA!2e0) on the ramp from I-190 northbound to the Robert Moses (Niagara Scenic) Parkway.
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: dgolub on November 23, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
On Long Island, a number of the parkways do.  The Meadowbrook Parkway and the Wantagh Parkway have their southern terminus at Jones Beach State Park.  The Robert Moses Causeway has its southern terminus at Robert Moses State Park.  The Southern Parkway has its eastern terminus at Heckscher State Park.  The Sunken Meadow Parkway has its northern terminus at Sunken Meadow State Park, although they've recently changed the control city to Kings Park (which is a town, not a park).
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: NE2 on November 23, 2016, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on November 23, 2016, 04:59:59 PM
Disney World
Where is this a control city (as opposed to merely a signed destination)?
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: jwolfer on November 23, 2016, 06:04:33 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 23, 2016, 05:57:44 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on November 23, 2016, 04:59:59 PM
Disney World
Where is this a control city (as opposed to merely a signed destination)?
If i remember correctly on TOLL429

LGMS428

Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: Occidental Tourist on November 23, 2016, 06:10:37 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 23, 2016, 02:25:20 PM
(https://www.aaroads.com/california/images041/ca-041_nb_exit_126a_03.jpg)

I like the button copy BGS in the background with the scraped-off 180 shield.
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: Duke87 on November 23, 2016, 06:46:05 PM
Quote from: dgolub on November 23, 2016, 05:43:16 PM
On Long Island, a number of the parkways do.  The Meadowbrook Parkway and the Wantagh Parkway have their southern terminus at Jones Beach State Park.  The Robert Moses Causeway has its southern terminus at Robert Moses State Park.  The Southern Parkway has its eastern terminus at Heckscher State Park.  The Sunken Meadow Parkway has its northern terminus at Sunken Meadow State Park, although they've recently changed the control city to Kings Park (which is a town, not a park).

Also on the subject of NY parkways, Sound View Park as the southbound control point for the Bronx River Parkway:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8342104,-73.8742316,3a,22.3y,221.32h,93.9t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srrSxdz_sajJH60lF8rIFiw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DrrSxdz_sajJH60lF8rIFiw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D338.48892%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 23, 2016, 07:15:20 PM
Delaware Water Gap.
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: NE2 on November 23, 2016, 07:18:49 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 23, 2016, 07:15:20 PM
Delaware Water Gap.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_Water_Gap,_Pennsylvania
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: jeffandnicole on November 23, 2016, 08:27:25 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 23, 2016, 07:18:49 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 23, 2016, 07:15:20 PM
Delaware Water Gap.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware_Water_Gap,_Pennsylvania

I'm going to take a wild guess that a control sign 34 miles away on I-80 in NJ is referring to the National Recreation Area and not a 750 resident borough in PA.
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: NE2 on November 23, 2016, 08:32:13 PM
Really? It's not referring to the actual geologic formation?
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: jwolfer on November 24, 2016, 09:50:17 AM
Quote from: NE2 on November 23, 2016, 08:32:13 PM
Really? It's not referring to the actual geologic formation?
Most of the formation is in a National Recreation Area  since 1965 or so. So i guess originally it was just the geological formation at first.. But Rec area is a big draw now

LGMS428
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: coatimundi on November 24, 2016, 01:24:53 PM
I always assumed that "Delaware Water Gap" referred to the overall region; the tourist area that has developed around there. Like "Poconos" further down on I-80. It seemed like, when I was up there, people used the term to refer to the region. Obviously I haven't spent much time up there though, so my assumption could certainly be wrong.
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: NE2 on November 24, 2016, 02:27:33 PM
25 miles to DWG (http://www.google.com/maps/@40.912484,-74.7413206,3a,75y,293.15h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7KdYUvj--r8QTotjmUAkpQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) just west of mile 24.5. The gap itself begins at Columbia (20-21 miles) and the NWR begins at about mile 3 (21-22 miles). The state line is, of course, 24.5 miles away, and it's another half mile to the exit for the borough. Voila, the control city is the borough.
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: steviep24 on November 24, 2016, 04:11:22 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 24, 2016, 02:27:33 PM
25 miles to DWG (http://www.google.com/maps/@40.912484,-74.7413206,3a,75y,293.15h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7KdYUvj--r8QTotjmUAkpQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) just west of mile 24.5. The gap itself begins at Columbia (20-21 miles) and the NWR begins at about mile 3 (21-22 miles). The state line is, of course, 24.5 miles away, and it's another half mile to the exit for the borough. Voila, the control city is the borough.
I'm guessing Delaware Water Gap is used because of the toll barrier there.
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: inkyatari on November 25, 2016, 08:53:01 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on November 23, 2016, 04:59:59 PM
Disney World

LGMS428

I wasn't really meaning theme parks, mostly state and national parks
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: Brandon on November 25, 2016, 11:17:23 AM
More an expressway than a freeway, but it has its moments, IN-49 from eastbound I-94:

https://goo.gl/maps/wJUsMLjdeH42

But it only appears the once, and only eastbound.
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: inkyatari on November 25, 2016, 11:30:31 AM
Quote from: Brandon on November 25, 2016, 11:17:23 AM
More an expressway than a freeway, but it has its moments, IN-49 from eastbound I-94:

https://goo.gl/maps/wJUsMLjdeH42

But it only appears the once, and only eastbound.

I forget about that one.

That's also a two-fer!  National AND state parks on one sign!
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: GaryV on November 25, 2016, 04:37:58 PM
Does this count?  https://www.google.com/maps/@44.7106278,-84.6991503,3a,75y,48.38h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sux78KnGg9unb81nhDXxdZg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dux78KnGg9unb81nhDXxdZg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D313.24567%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0

A road named for a park that's on the road.
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: 1995hoo on November 26, 2016, 09:09:28 PM
How about, instead of a BGS, a BBS (not talking about what we used to call with our modems)? You'll have to click into Street View since my iPhone won't give me a Street View link.

https://goo.gl/maps/Mfb5ZgP4BBA2
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: dfwmapper on November 28, 2016, 01:46:50 AM
Grand Canyon on I-40 in Flagstaff, AZ (https://goo.gl/maps/Az6FNsop6wE2)
Petrified Forest National Park on I-40 in AZ (https://goo.gl/maps/j3aZtNz71C22)
Chiricahua National Monument on I-10 in AZ (https://goo.gl/maps/YLpmcfeiZG82)
Yellowstone National Park on I-90 in MT (https://goo.gl/maps/WThpTfZvnXR2)
Mt. Rushmore on I-90 in SD (https://goo.gl/maps/uCeG7wyFw7N2)
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: coatimundi on November 28, 2016, 11:06:37 AM
Quote from: dfwmapper on November 28, 2016, 01:46:50 AM
Grand Canyon on I-40 in Flagstaff, AZ (https://goo.gl/maps/Az6FNsop6wE2)
Petrified Forest National Park on I-40 in AZ (https://goo.gl/maps/j3aZtNz71C22)
Chiricahua National Monument on I-10 in AZ (https://goo.gl/maps/YLpmcfeiZG82)
Yellowstone National Park on I-90 in MT (https://goo.gl/maps/WThpTfZvnXR2)
Mt. Rushmore on I-90 in SD (https://goo.gl/maps/uCeG7wyFw7N2)

These are all exits. The question was regarding control cities on freeways.

I thought about putting in the first one though, since US 180 (the north end of I-17) north of I-40 is technically a freeway for about a half mile. That may count.
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: jp the roadgeek on November 28, 2016, 11:12:29 AM
This one on the NY Thruway:

https://goo.gl/maps/KuMmaShNtWD2
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: coatimundi on November 28, 2016, 11:29:15 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 28, 2016, 11:12:29 AM
This one on the NY Thruway:

https://goo.gl/maps/KuMmaShNtWD2

Is that for the park or the bridge? I guess it's more of a region in that area.
Seems like there are other control cities they could have used. West Point?
Title: Re: Parks / National Parks as controls?
Post by: Rothman on November 29, 2016, 01:06:17 PM
I believe Kings Mountain is used as a control in northern SC (for both the state parks and national battlefield).