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Title: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: BigMattFromTexas on November 06, 2009, 10:41:25 PM
Does your state have those "HC" signs on BGS's? Texas does...
In this picture in San Antonio, TX you can see that hazardous cargo is prohibited.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Y0zKH3FrMxYntiI3yh2RYg?feat=directlink (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/Y0zKH3FrMxYntiI3yh2RYg?feat=directlink)
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: Alps on November 06, 2009, 10:52:15 PM
Standalone only in NJ to the best of my knowledge (mounted with shields).
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: BigMattFromTexas on November 06, 2009, 10:58:29 PM
Quote from: AlpsROADS on November 06, 2009, 10:52:15 PM
Standalone only in NJ to the best of my knowledge (mounted with shields).
Whats a standalone?
BigMatt
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: deathtopumpkins on November 06, 2009, 11:24:34 PM
Matt: One standing alone.

I've seen those signs used periodically throughout my mid-atlantic travels, most recently in Boston directing hazardous cargo away from the Big Dig. Most were mounted right on the BGS just like a standard shield.
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: Revive 755 on November 06, 2009, 11:27:21 PM
Missouri only uses standalones on separate signs to the best of my knowledge, and uses "HM" instead of "HC":
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.746486,-90.39422&spn=0,359.972534&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.746563,-90.394186&panoid=3Iiq77F8Hxod_2eSMvDqnA&cbp=12,40.72,,0,-3.23 (http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UTF8&ll=38.746486,-90.39422&spn=0,359.972534&z=16&layer=c&cbll=38.746563,-90.394186&panoid=3Iiq77F8Hxod_2eSMvDqnA&cbp=12,40.72,,0,-3.23)

Probably the only hazardous materials restriction in the state there.
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: BigMattFromTexas on November 06, 2009, 11:32:21 PM
Well in San Angelo on Business 67(Sherwood Way) theres a "HC" sign just kinda chillin there for Loop 306.
DTP: Like  this? (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/35Jp9UWeqbfNbCZ4168wQQ?feat=directlink)
BigMatt
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: roadfro on November 07, 2009, 12:07:11 AM
Quote from: Revive 755 on November 06, 2009, 11:27:21 PM
Missouri only uses standalones on separate signs to the best of my knowledge, and uses "HM" instead of "HC":

The MUTCD changed the hazardous cargo ("HC") symbol signs to hazardous materials ("HM")--I believe this occurred with the 2003 edition.  I'm not sure on the reasoning for the change, but I'd guess it has to do with the interpretation that "cargo" applies to large semis or similar commercial vehicles, when they probably are looking to prohibit transport of all hazardous materials regardless of the type of vehicle it is transported in.

I only know of two locations in Nevada where hazardous material restrictions are applied: US 95 through Hawthorne (HM vehicles must detour via US 95 Truck/unsigned SR 362) and the I-215/McCarran Airport Connector tunnels.  In each case, the HM/HC prohibited signs are ground mounted; with the airport tunnel, there is additional advance overhead BWS with text stating that vehicles with hazardous cargo must exit.
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: PAHighways on November 07, 2009, 01:06:46 AM
No "HC," or as in the latest MUTCD, "HM," signs in use in Pennsylvania.  Hazardous cargo/materials are prohibited in the four Pittsburgh tunnels and some are allowed through the ones on the Turnpike.  Large signs, similar to the graphic I have on the Turnpike Exit Guide (http://www.pahighways.com/exits/PATurnpikeexits.html), are located before the last interchange prior to the tunnels.  They outline which are allowed to pass through and which are required to exit.
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on November 07, 2009, 06:03:41 AM
DC has these (mounted on overhead gantries) on I-395 for the tunnels on the Center Leg Freeway. They were HC signs until a couple years ago when they became HM signs. I don't know of any in Virginia.
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: burgess87 on November 07, 2009, 09:00:51 AM
I used Hazardous Cargo permissions / prohibitions on all the "freeway-grade" routes in my SimCity version of Orleans County:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg4.imageshack.us%2Fimg4%2F715%2Fgoldenhilljan2001240803z.png&hash=b014c8d4fc12f4abc716651c2b99d1eb7a7bea4f)

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg11.imageshack.us%2Fimg11%2F61%2Fgoldenhilljan2001240803.png&hash=81c2d5d98396275e2db1917575b7223d01479dcc)
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: andytom on November 07, 2009, 06:59:22 PM
In the past year, ODOT put up 'HM' signs on the sign gantries leading into the Vista Ridge Tunnel here in Portland.  I don't recall having seen any others in OR.

--Andy
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: jdb1234 on November 07, 2009, 07:44:11 PM
Alabama put up 'HC' signs in Mobile on I-10 approaching the Wallace Tunnel.  I am not sure if they are still there.
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: SSOWorld on November 07, 2009, 11:40:00 PM
Wisconsin has a few tunnels - but mostly part of ramps.  1 in Eau Claire, 2 in Milwaukee.  No HM/HC restrictions placed on them.  A few more tunnels are going in with the Mitchell interchange being rebuilt over the next few years.
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: corco on November 08, 2009, 09:31:02 PM
Hazardous Cargo is routed on SR 509 from downtown to the Port of Tacoma, and that's usually mounted on a free-standing shield mounted to the pole on the side of the sign assembly

If I recall correctly, HC is routed around downtown Phoenix via I-17, and those shields are right on the sign assembly.
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: Greybear on November 09, 2009, 12:53:44 AM
In Little Rock, HC is routed around downtown Little Rock on either I-430 or I-440.

In addition to the HC tabs on the overhead BGS's, the following are also in use:

I-430 North approaching I-630 East:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi631.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu40%2FChip1701%2FAARoads%2FI-430north_I-630HCProhib.jpg&hash=6c6658bd7908293072b51c9336b639fb452637f0)


I-440 West approaching I-30 East:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi631.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fuu40%2FChip1701%2FAARoads%2FI-440west_I-30HCProhib.jpg&hash=09dcf56e5277e595d9634dfc3109ada219b46e0d)

Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: Alex on November 11, 2009, 12:37:16 PM
Quote from: jdb1234 on November 07, 2009, 07:44:11 PM
Alabama put up 'HC' signs in Mobile on I-10 approaching the Wallace Tunnel.  I am not sure if they are still there.

Only white guide signs are in place along Interstate 10 relating to the hazmat restriction. Reassurance shields posted along the U.S. 90/U.S. 98 Truck route on Bay Bridge Road however do coincide with HC signs.

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.southeastroads.com%2Falabama070%2Fus-090_098_truck_eb_at_traffic_st.jpg&hash=16c64408917bd33514ffa5ff4467826a551762a4)
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: Chris on November 11, 2009, 02:07:19 PM
Is there a difference between HC's and Hazmats?
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: J N Winkler on November 11, 2009, 02:45:32 PM
No.  "HC" (hazardous cargo) is old terminology, while "HM" (hazardous materials, sometimes abbreviated "hazmat") is current.  The change was made in a recent MUTCD revision (I think the Millennium edition) and was originally requested, I think, by the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration.  A number of states continue to use "HC" signs.
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: jdb1234 on November 11, 2009, 06:59:16 PM
Quote from: AARoads on November 11, 2009, 12:37:16 PM
Quote from: jdb1234 on November 07, 2009, 07:44:11 PM
Alabama put up 'HC' signs in Mobile on I-10 approaching the Wallace Tunnel.  I am not sure if they are still there.

Only white guide signs are in place along Interstate 10 relating to the hazmat restriction. Reassurance shields posted along the U.S. 90/U.S. 98 Truck route on Bay Bridge Road however do coincide with HC signs.


Ah!  That's right!  It has been awhile since I have been out there, as I am more familiar with western Mobile.
Title: Re: Hazardous Cargo signs
Post by: hm insulators on November 25, 2009, 03:07:49 PM
Quote from: corco on November 08, 2009, 09:31:02 PM
Hazardous Cargo is routed on SR 509 from downtown to the Port of Tacoma, and that's usually mounted on a free-standing shield mounted to the pole on the side of the sign assembly

If I recall correctly, HC is routed around downtown Phoenix via I-17, and those shields are right on the sign assembly.

You're correct; the reason is that I-10 goes through the Deck Park Tunnel under downtown Phoenix.
Also, HC is not allowed to use the Loop 202 bridge over the Salt River in Tempe, just outside of Phoenix.