I keep detailed records of the cost of owning my car, including how much gas I purchase in terms of money spent. I'd be interested in further categorizing the manner in which you drive (see below).
Money Spent: $575
Car Type: Compact sedan
Driving environment: Urban/suburban
Driving types: Commuting, errands, local
I keep a log of every time I refuel with the station, city, date, cost/gallon, gallons purchased, mileage, total cost of fuel, and mpg. For me, it's typically over $3,000 for a compact hatchback. A lot of highway miles, but the driving is for personal, commuting, and work, with the lion's share being for work. Much of that $3,000+ is reimbursed (about 95%) by my workplace.
I couldn't tell you how much I spend a year in gas but I can tell you the most ($70, 16.5 gal, 2012) and least ($16, 12gal, 2016) I've spent on a single fill-up.
Probably between $2,500 to $3,500 a year depending on gas prices. This might surprise some people given who have read my road trip albums I do but between my two cars and rentals I typically only do about 30,000-35,000 miles a year. My two cars a 2014 Chevy Sonic that averages 35 MPG while the other is a 2016 Dodge Challenger R/T Scat Pack that gets anywhere from 14 to 27 MPG depending on how I drive it. Suffice to say that 95% of those miles are on the Sonic.
As a rule of thumb I don't count provided cars which I get reimbursed for otherwise we we would still be talking the 50,000-65,000 range. I do a crap ton of work travel on work vehicles that general get 30-35 MPG which are almost exclusively freeway/expressway. Back during the gas crunch with $4 dollar plus gas I was spending 60,000 to 80,000 miles on the road which would have been a solid 6k-8k a year. Granted those heavy years were probably 75% work travel in a POV so I ultimately did get reimbursed for much of it. I had a Ford Fiesta back in those days that netted 42.4 MPG over 143,000 miles, that thing was the most thrifty car on gas I've ever had.
in 2016 it was:
2012 Mustang GT: $1873.90 for 713.52 gallons of 93 octane fuel (14,104 miles) 19.8 MPG (wife's car)
2014 Mustang GT: $1667.58 for 640.91 gallons of 93 octane fuel (14,210 miles) 22.2 MPG (my car)
My wife's car spent more time idling in traffic and parking lots (etc) than mine that's where most of the disparity in fuel used for pretty much the same amount of miles comes from. My car had a few more road trips this year than hers, too.
I can't give a full year's total yet since I took delivery of my 2016 Volkswagen Golf wagon on 15 January 2016. But for 51 weeks:
$1,172.68 - 570.373 gal - 18,192.9 mi - 31.896 MPG - $2.05 avg price
I'd guess that this represents mostly suburban driving in terms of engine hours, although most miles are likely highway.
With fuel prices having generally declined over the past five years, my annual fuel expenditure has also tended to decrease year-over-year. These numbers are for my previous car, a 2006 Toyota Matrix:
2015: $1,512.95 - 555.369 gal - 19,261.5 mi - 34.68 MPG - $2.75 avg price
2014: $1,220.52 - 324.34 gal - 10,704.6 mi - 33.004 MPG - $3.79 avg price
2013: $1,977.47 - 507.89 gal - 17,285.8 mi - 34.034 MPG - $3.89 avg price
2012: $2,989.29 - 735.705 gal - 25,632.2 mi - 34.008 MPG - $3.96 avg price
I don't have my 2016 year end details available yet, but in 2015 I spent $2,323 on fuel.
That was broken between a 2015 VW Golf, a 2002 Jeep Liberty, a 2001 Honda Accord, and several rental cars.
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Interesting idea for a thread. I also don't keep detailed records, but I can do some maths and maybe come up with an answer.
My car, a 2015 Golf, has roughly 26,850 miles. My average MPG is right around 40 (47 to 53 on the freeway, only about 35 urban, but I drive in an urban environment most often). My tank size is 13.2 gallons. Assuming a roughly $2.20/gal average fuel price (diesel was less than $2/gal for the first ten months of ownership (June '15 to March '16), but has fluctuated radically all over the board since then; this is my best guess), an empty-to-full fill-up would cost me about $29. At 40 mpg average, the TDI goes about 528 miles on a tank.
So,
26850 miles / 528 miles per tank = 50.85 fill-ups (let's say 51)
51 fill ups * $29 per fill up = $1479 since day 1 (about 19 months)
That's ~$78/month. 78 * 12 = $936/year
Anything wrong with my math? I haven't had a math class for a while.
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We should probably also start "how much do you spend each year on your transit pass". :sombrero:
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We should probably also start "how much do you spend each year on your transit pass". :sombrero:
Might get reimbursed by an employer as well.
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We should probably also start "how much do you spend each year on your transit pass". :sombrero:
Might get reimbursed by an employer as well.
I got an Uncle out in Alexandria, he has a car but 95% of his commute probably involves taking a train or other mass transit. I don't know if I could handle that kind of thing with all those people and complete lack of mobility anymore. Chicago was bad enough when I had my license when I was living in downtown with my Dad as a kid.
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We should probably also start "how much do you spend each year on your transit pass". :sombrero:
That's up in the air right now, depends on when MTA inflicts it's next fare rise.
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We should probably also start "how much do you spend each year on your transit pass". :sombrero:
Might get reimbursed by an employer as well.
I got an Uncle out in Alexandria, he has a car but 95% of his commute probably involves taking a train or other mass transit. I don't know if I could handle that kind of thing with all those people and complete lack of mobility anymore. Chicago was bad enough when I had my license when I was living in downtown with my Dad as a kid.
You would handle it fine once you realize that thousands of people in the DC area do it without issue for years on end (entire careers even).
I don't keep record, but due to my general schedule (weekly fill-up) and this past years fill-up range ($20-$35), I would estimate $1430. That mostly comes from a 50-60 mile in each direction (depending on the route I take) commute 3 times a week. In the summer a fourth trip of similar distance is often added on Sundays
^^ Fairly easily done in the DC area. I have a friend who lives in DC with a wife and baby daughter. He and his wife have been car-free for years. Get around DC via a combination of Metro, bus, bike, and good-ol-fashioned walking. For the occasional need where they need to head out to the burbs or beyond, there's ZipCar, Car2Go, or a more traditional car rental company.
As for me...
Money Spent: Approximately $2500.
Mileage: Approximately 23,000 miles.
Car Type: Small SUV with AWD (effectively a requirement where we live)
Driving environment: Several, but mostly rural & mountainous
Driving types: All, but most frequently commuting/errands/home life.
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We should probably also start "how much do you spend each year on your transit pass". :sombrero:
Might get reimbursed by an employer as well.
I got an Uncle out in Alexandria, he has a car but 95% of his commute probably involves taking a train or other mass transit. I don't know if I could handle that kind of thing with all those people and complete lack of mobility anymore. Chicago was bad enough when I had my license when I was living in downtown with my Dad as a kid.
You would handle it fine once you realize that thousands of people in the DC area do it without issue for years on end (entire careers even).
Perhaps, I'm just finding myself less tolerant of urbanized living in the two almost three decades since. I've gone from cities like Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, New York, and Miami down to stuff like Orlando or Bakersfield the last decade. Really if I can get the next move to an even smaller metro area I'd be even more happy. I guess that all comes down to personal preference though.
A real quick estimate would be about $4,000 between 2 cars, each being driven about 20,000 miles each, getting approx. 20 miles/gallon, at about $2.00/gallon.
I've often wondered how those who don't own cars manage to drag home a crapload of groceries or other personal necessities via public transportation. It's bad enough cramming them into your own vehicle.
As for me, I have a 60-mile daily commute (30 miles one-way). My primary vehicle gets around 24 mpg. So that means I'm burning around 12.5 gallons of gas a week. So, at the current price of gas (around $2.40 here now) that means I can expect to spend $1,560 just to get to work in a year.
Given the recent OPEC production cutback, I fully expect gas prices to continue to rise until such time that the incoming administration can reverse some of the outgoing administration's policies to increase domestic production.
I tend not to go anywhere on weekends if I can keep from it. Unless I'm going roadgeeking somewhere, or have to run an errand on Saturday (veterinarian visits, usually), I'm often not back in my car from the time I get home on Friday until I head back to work on Monday.
How are you guys tracking your car expenses? Excel spreadsheet, smartphone app?
Quote from: tradephoric on January 09, 2017, 12:52:43 PM
How are you guys tracking your car expenses? Excel spreadsheet, smartphone app?
Spreadsheet.
I break out my costs into overhead/fixed-costs (inspection, tax, etc) and variable costs (gas, maintenence, repairs, etc). Then I drill-down into categories for each of those.
One thing I've discovered with my data is that most of my costs are overhead costs...that the cost of
owning the car is significantly more than the cost of
using the car.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 09, 2017, 12:52:22 PM
I've often wondered how those who don't own cars manage to drag home a crapload of groceries or other personal necessities via public transportation. It's bad enough cramming them into your own vehicle.
As for me, I have a 60-mile daily commute (30 miles one-way). My primary vehicle gets around 24 mpg. So that means I'm burning around 12.5 gallons of gas a week. So, at the current price of gas (around $2.40 here now) that means I can expect to spend $1,560 just to get to work in a year.
Given the recent OPEC production cutback, I fully expect gas prices to continue to rise until such time that the incoming administration can reverse some of the outgoing administration's policies to increase domestic production.
I tend not to go anywhere on weekends if I can keep from it. Unless I'm going roadgeeking somewhere, or have to run an errand on Saturday (veterinarian visits, usually), I'm often not back in my car from the time I get home on Friday until I head back to work on Monday.
Delivery, taxi, or just buying smaller quantities on a more frequent basis.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 09, 2017, 12:52:22 PM
I've often wondered how those who don't own cars manage to drag home a crapload of groceries or other personal necessities via public transportation. It's bad enough cramming them into your own vehicle.
It's a different lifestyle. A "crapload of groceries" doesn't really exist for someone who rides public transit every day. A typical day ends with a trip to the grocers (i.e. one or two bags each day, rather than 10 or 15 bags every five or six days). I drive a car, but I stop at the grocery store pretty much every other day. I haven't needed a cart in a very long time (a hand carry basket is sufficient most of the time). Backpacks and grocery bags are common sights on public transit.
Many personal necessity items can be ordered online and delivered for a relatively low amount of money. Some cities (like here in Seattle, via Amazon) offer grocery delivery. You don't even need to go to the grocery store anymore.
In 2016, spent $2,215.20 on two cars' worth of gas. Went on a couple of shorter trips to DC and Florida from here, so I thought it'd be higher, but that's what it is. Go figure.
Quote from: tradephoric on January 09, 2017, 12:52:43 PM
How are you guys tracking your car expenses? Excel spreadsheet, smartphone app?
For me I do my business expenses on a spreadsheet for mileage reimbursement when I use a POV. Considering the majority of my mileage on my POV (personally owned vehicle) used to be for business reasons it could lead to a decent deduction when you factor that 60,000-80,000 a year for miles driven. Considering I was making anywhere from $0.49 to $0.56 on the mile during the peak of the gas crunch that was a pretty nice return when you factor in the car I was using averaged 42.4 MPG over the usage life I had it. Funny thing was I was able to put a purposal together showing my employer they would save money at 30-35k miles driven a year with a company car versus paying mileage out. Plus at the time they were asking for site visits to every location I had once a month which could lead to some huge mileage checks in the neighborhood of $800-$900 dollars. I guess the logic they were going off of my area in addition to two others was just like the east coast. Most of the people who did what I do on the east coast had most of their sites in a 60 radius, I had them from Ventura County California to Lubbock Texas. :D
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on January 09, 2017, 12:59:50 PM
One thing I've discovered with my data is that most of my costs are overhead costs...that the cost of owning the car is significantly more than the cost of using the car.
True, especially if you have a car you don't drive much. I only drove 2904 miles last year on my non-daily driver and total expenses were $1,478. The insurance and registration becomes a big percentage of total expenses when you don't drive it very much. The car had been sitting for 8 years and took a lot of work to get it back on the road. That's why the Service & Maintenance numbers were so high for so few miles driven. Here was the breakdown:
Total Cost - $1,478Gas - $361
Service - $200
Maintenance - $364
Wash - $26.48
Registration - $105
Insurance - $420
Total Fuel: 170.44 gallons
Distance 2904 miles
Fuel consumption 19.17 mpg
Average Cost per Mile $0.51
Wow...$420 for insurance.
You definitely don't live in New Jersey!!
Since I live so close to work (<3 miles), my normal weekly gas bill has been about $18 (accounting for recreational and shopping trips); of course, if I'm going up to Berkeley or SF on a weekend (about once every 6 weeks or so) it goes up to about $30. So figure 43 weeks at $18 and 9 weeks at $30, plus one trip up to Sacramento every 3 months to consult with a business partner (extra $35) and my yearly trip back down to Hesperia/L.A. (figure $225-250 on top of everything) -- it comes to between $1400-1500 annually for gas (at least that's what I put on my tax return). Sportage with a pretty big 4-banger; gets about 26-27 on the road and 19-20 in town (realistically).
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 09, 2017, 02:34:26 PM
Wow...$420 for insurance.
You definitely don't live in New Jersey!!
When I hit 65 a couple of years back, my insurance dropped from its previous $1100+ down to a more reasonable (for an urban CA location) $670. Guess they figure us old farts drive more conservatively/safer. Luckily, I haven't had a citation since the late '80's, so that probably was part of the equation.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 09, 2017, 02:34:26 PM
Wow...$420 for insurance.
You definitely don't live in New Jersey!!
I was down that low when I was living in Florida at one point when I had just one car. Really more than anything else it just depends on your zip code and the statistics associate with it in addition to your own driving record. I pay about $1,200 right now for both cars in California. Probably helps I'm in the Central Valley or that might be closer to $1,500.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 09, 2017, 12:52:22 PM
I've often wondered how those who don't own cars manage to drag home a crapload of groceries or other personal necessities via public transportation. It's bad enough cramming them into your own vehicle.
As for me, I have a 60-mile daily commute (30 miles one-way). My primary vehicle gets around 24 mpg. So that means I'm burning around 12.5 gallons of gas a week. So, at the current price of gas (around $2.40 here now) that means I can expect to spend $1,560 just to get to work in a year.
Given the recent OPEC production cutback, I fully expect gas prices to continue to rise until such time that the incoming administration can reverse some of the outgoing administration's policies to increase domestic production.
I tend not to go anywhere on weekends if I can keep from it. Unless I'm going roadgeeking somewhere, or have to run an errand on Saturday (veterinarian visits, usually), I'm often not back in my car from the time I get home on Friday until I head back to work on Monday.
In NYC it's shoe leather express and a large shopping cart. Aldi and Target are in reasonable walking distance from my apartment.
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Don't have detailed records, but I've been doing some quick math:
For the driving I do, my 2012 Focus averages 34 mpg combined city/highway. In the three years I've owned the car, I've put just over 15,500 miles on her. That's approximately 456 gallons of gas. At a conservative price of $2.70 a gallon, that works out to $1,232. Divide by three, and it's about $411 a year in gas.
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I don't have my 2016 year end details available yet, but in 2015 I spent $2,323 on fuel.
That was broken between a 2015 VW Golf, a 2002 Jeep Liberty, a 2001 Honda Accord, and several rental cars.
I now have my 2016 year end details,and I spent $2,243.29, minus I think two fillups I paid cash for in Eastern Europe. Split between a 2015 VW Golf, a 2002 Jeep Liberty, and several rental cars. So...very consistent!
I put a spreadsheet together, mainly to track my MPG on my 2002 Cavalier... from May 11, 2015, through May 5, 2016, I spent $1404 on gas (I drive about 85 miles a day to and from work). Average cost I paid per gallon was $2.06. Average MPG for the year was 30.75
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Though my transit pass gets pretty expensive ($8 daily or $100 monthly).
Quote from: Bruce on January 11, 2017, 02:37:18 PM
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Though my transit pass gets pretty expensive ($8 daily or $100 monthly).
Same, but my university has a universal transit pass that all students who live in the city (including those on residence) must pay for, regardless if you take the bus or not. Those who drive have to pay for a parking pass as well as this U pass. For me though, it means equivalently spending about $30 a month for bus passes, eight months of the year. Pretty good.
Makes me wonder how many other schools have a similar system going.
Quote from: SignGeek101 on January 11, 2017, 02:53:52 PM
Same, but my university has a universal transit pass that all students who live in the city (including those on residence) must pay for, regardless if you take the bus or not. Those who drive have to pay for a parking pass as well as this U pass. For me though, it means equivalently spending about $30 a month for bus passes, eight months of the year. Pretty good.
Makes me wonder how many other schools have a similar system going.
From my wife (a Pitt alumnus) and my brother (a current Pitt student), I know that students at the University of Pittsburgh need only flash their student ID cards to ride any form of Port Authority Transit absolutely free.
Of course considering PAT's financial situation, it's safe to say that truckers hauling freight from Carlisle and commuters driving home to Lansdale are actually picking up the tab.
Quote from: tradephoric on January 09, 2017, 12:52:43 PM
How are you guys tracking your car expenses? Excel spreadsheet, smartphone app?
http://www.fuelly.com/car/ford/mustang/2014/slorydn1/265225
Quote from: briantroutman on January 11, 2017, 03:16:54 PM
From my wife (a Pitt alumnus) and my brother (a current Pitt student), I know that students at the University of Pittsburgh need only flash their student ID cards to ride any form of Port Authority Transit absolutely free.
Of course considering PAT's financial situation, it's safe to say that truckers hauling freight from Carlisle and commuters driving home to Lansdale are actually picking up the tab.
I'm pretty sure that the University pays PAT for those, as opposed to PAT just giving them away.
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Quote from: briantroutman on January 11, 2017, 03:16:54 PM
From my wife (a Pitt alumnus) and my brother (a current Pitt student), I know that students at the University of Pittsburgh need only flash their student ID cards to ride any form of Port Authority Transit absolutely free.
Of course considering PAT's financial situation, it's safe to say that truckers hauling freight from Carlisle and commuters driving home to Lansdale are actually picking up the tab.
I'm pretty sure that the University pays PAT for those, as opposed to PAT just giving them away.
I'm sure that's true on paper, but considering that 50-60% of PAT's funding each year comes from the Act 44 payments made by the Pennsylvania Turnpike Commission, the notion that the university or its students are actually "paying their way" is basically a fiction. In other words, if not for PA Turnpike travelers being gouged on tolls, Pitt wouldn't be able to afford the actual cost of the transit services its students and employees use.
I'm not making a value judgement–you could easily argue that this diversion of funds is a good thing–although other people would be lined up to argue the opposite.
Quote from: SignGeek101 on January 11, 2017, 02:53:52 PM
Makes me wonder how many other schools have a similar system going.
I think most urban universities have deals with public transit. It's a common incentive to discourage students from bringing their cars with them to uni.
Just off-hand, Portland, Seattle, and Vancouver metro systems all offer student passes, either free, or at a deep discount.
Quote from: briantroutman on January 11, 2017, 05:29:24 PM
if not for PA Turnpike travelers being gouged on tolls, Pitt wouldn't be able to afford the actual cost of the transit services its students and employees use.
I'm also positive that they [Pitt & PAT] have had this setup long before either Act 44 or Act 89 were ever passed.
If the overall point is that transit in general needs to be subsidized (the notion that it can't pay for itself based on fares alone), then fine - but that applies to all riders in general, Pitt students aren't any more special.
Hm. About 8,000 miles a year, at 22 mpg = 364 gallons a year. At $2.40 per gallon, that's about $870 per year. Figures from memory, I have a notebook in the glove box where I write down gas/maintenance but it's not with me now.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 09, 2017, 12:52:22 PM
I've often wondered how those who don't own cars manage to drag home a crapload of groceries or other personal necessities via public transportation. It's bad enough cramming them into your own vehicle.
I've had a car available for a long time now, but there was a long time when I didn't. Obviously, you don't buy a crapload. A bag every couple of days, instead of six bags in one trip once a week. Take a handbasket through the grocery store; if I get tired of carrying it in the store, I know it's time to stop shopping and check out. :D A grocery store was about three blocks from where I lived at the time.
Quote from: kkt on January 12, 2017, 07:00:24 PM
Hm. About 8,000 miles a year, at 22 mpg = 364 gallons a year. At $2.40 per gallon, that's about $870 per year. Figures from memory, I have a notebook in the glove box where I write down gas/maintenance but it's not with me now.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 09, 2017, 12:52:22 PM
I've often wondered how those who don't own cars manage to drag home a crapload of groceries or other personal necessities via public transportation. It's bad enough cramming them into your own vehicle.
I've had a car available for a long time now, but there was a long time when I didn't. Obviously, you don't buy a crapload. A bag every couple of days, instead of six bags in one trip once a week. Take a handbasket through the grocery store; if I get tired of carrying it in the store, I know it's time to stop shopping and check out. :D A grocery store was about three blocks from where I lived at the time.
Can't you just stick the shopping cart on the bike rack in front of the bus?
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Quote from: kkt on January 12, 2017, 07:00:24 PM
Hm. About 8,000 miles a year, at 22 mpg = 364 gallons a year. At $2.40 per gallon, that's about $870 per year. Figures from memory, I have a notebook in the glove box where I write down gas/maintenance but it's not with me now.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 09, 2017, 12:52:22 PM
I've often wondered how those who don't own cars manage to drag home a crapload of groceries or other personal necessities via public transportation. It's bad enough cramming them into your own vehicle.
I've had a car available for a long time now, but there was a long time when I didn't. Obviously, you don't buy a crapload. A bag every couple of days, instead of six bags in one trip once a week. Take a handbasket through the grocery store; if I get tired of carrying it in the store, I know it's time to stop shopping and check out. :D A grocery store was about three blocks from where I lived at the time.
Can't you just stick the shopping cart on the bike rack in front of the bus?
The bike racks are made to hold bikes, not carts. I think they're the wrong shape. Also, you have to lift the bike about a foot off the ground to get it onto the rack. No problem for a bike, but a full cart that would be a challenge.
Some people get large baskets for their bikes. One on each side of the rear wheel and another in front, carry three big bags.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 09, 2017, 12:52:22 PM
I've often wondered how those who don't own cars manage to drag home a crapload of groceries or other personal necessities via public transportation. It's bad enough cramming them into your own vehicle.
In my years of accessing the grocery store on foot I would simply never buy more in one visit to the store than I could carry at once, and then lug them home from the store on foot. Said store was within walking distance so no public transit was required. Of course, it helped my case that I was only shopping for myself. If I were buying groceries for multiple people this way I would need to invest in a shopping cart.
Personally, I rather dislike that I now live in a place where there is no large supermarket within walking distance. If I'm driving a car I want to be in it for a while, parking it and getting back out again 5-10 minutes after I started it is mentally jarring - like going to take a relaxing shower and then shutting the water off just as it's getting nice and hot.
As for the original question, I have ceased keeping detailed records of my miles and fuel purchases for my new car but I can firmly say that the cost of fueling my vehicle in 2015 (last year for which I have complete data) was $1,998.11 for 24,601 miles. This was for a 2011 Nissan Sentra and while I live in a major city the bulk of those miles were from road trips (I never used that car to commute).
This figure includes money contributed by others to put gas in my vehicle, as well as miles I drove the car for work that I got reimbursed (in the form of X cents per mile, not directly for gas) for. It does not include money I contributed to put gas in the vehicles of others.
Shopping carts are not supposed to be taken from the store's property. Or at least that is the case around here.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 12, 2017, 08:22:02 PM
Shopping carts are not supposed to be taken from the store's property. Or at least that is the case around here.
You could just buy one...
https://www.walmart.com/ip/4-Wheel-Jumbo-Folding-Shopping-Cart-Black/10929356
Quote from: hbelkins on January 12, 2017, 08:22:02 PM
Shopping carts are not supposed to be taken from the store's property. Or at least that is the case around here.
There's a bit of a divide between what suburban and rural people think of as a "shopping cart" and what urbanites envision. I'm assuming they weren't talking about this:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.webstaurantstore.com%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2Fmain%2F632%2F3814%2Fsupermarket-grocery-shopping-cart.jpg&hash=31ba718e7cdcfd68e6058a956ffccf2796cb2aee)
Some people who live in the city will buy folding shopping carts like the one below to wheel their purchases home from the neighborhood market. From my experience, though, it carries the stigma of being an "old lady" thing.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elderstore.com%2Fimages%2Fproducts%2FNarita%2520Trading%2FNT003ChromeMED.jpg&hash=687e25384d5b483098e92d33f133b2a588f2267a)
Quote from: briantroutman on January 12, 2017, 10:50:29 PM
Some people who live in the city will buy folding shopping carts like the one below to wheel their purchases home from the neighborhood market. From my experience, though, it carries the stigma of being an "old lady" thing.
I would agree with that. Still wouldn't stop me from buying one though if I didn't have a car and the store was within busing or walking distance.
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Quote from: hbelkins on January 12, 2017, 08:22:02 PM
Shopping carts are not supposed to be taken from the store's property. Or at least that is the case around here.
In NYC many people, myself included, use large folding trolleys to tote things hither and yon. Store trolleys usually are set lock up the wheels outside the store, or in the case of Aldington, they never go outside the store.
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Shopping cart theft is a big deal out here in San Jose; one of the places at which I regularly shop (the WalMart "Neighborhood Grocery" -- their prices are more than competitive!) has the "locking wheel" system in place with sensors around the periphery of their parking lot (shared with about 10 other businesses). It seems that at any given time about a third of their cart fleet is parked by the service entrance to the store with the locking wheel & its mechanism missing (likely being reset); I've seen their carts (obviously someone pushed them along locked wheel notwithstanding!) abandoned on sidewalks on the same street on which my office is located (about 6 blocks from the store) -- and I've seen the Wal-Mart van cruising around looking for them! One of the managers at the store mentioned to me that they might be secreting GPS chips in the carts later this year under a pilot program. I guess the personal "shopping carts" as pictured in the above posts just don't have the capacity local non-car-owners require!
Re the OP: if this heat wave keeps up, my fuel bill will probably be going up by about 25% (the additional to operate the vehicle's AC!).
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Shopping carts are not supposed to be taken from the store's property. Or at least that is the case around here.
In NYC many people, myself included, use large folding trolleys to tote things hither and yon. Store trolleys usually are set lock up the wheels outside the store, or in the case of Aldington, they never go outside the store.
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How is locking up wheels possible?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 25, 2017, 10:20:57 PM
Quote from: Otto Yamamoto on June 25, 2017, 09:21:08 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 12, 2017, 08:22:02 PM
Shopping carts are not supposed to be taken from the store's property. Or at least that is the case around here.
In NYC many people, myself included, use large folding trolleys to tote things hither and yon. Store trolleys usually are set lock up the wheels outside the store, or in the case of Aldington, they never go outside the store.
How is locking up wheels possible?
The carts are equipped with remote locking mechanism that activates when the cart passed over a boundary line. The line is typically an embedded cable.
I haven't calculated entirely, but I'm sure my annual fuel bill is less than 1 month of mortgage + condo dues + property tax.
Quote from: catsynth on June 26, 2017, 12:08:37 PM
I haven't calculated entirely, but I'm sure my annual fuel bill is less than 1 month of mortgage + condo dues + property tax.
I'd imagine most Bay Area residents can drive just about anything, and not worry about the running costs. I've heard the cost of living is pretty insane.
Quote from: catsynth on June 26, 2017, 12:08:37 PM
I haven't calculated entirely, but I'm sure my annual fuel bill is less than 1 month of mortgage + condo dues + property tax.
Methinks this is more about real estate prices than gas costs.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 26, 2017, 02:23:24 PM
I've heard the cost of living is pretty insane.
When I subleased my tiny Marin County studio apartment for half a year while I had to spend some time in Los Angeles, I had people showing up with cash in hand ready to take the apartment no matter what it looked like.
Just down the street from me, a new apartment complex was just being completed when I left–with rents for one-bedroom apartments starting at $3,700. I've typically heard that you should spend no more than one-third of your gross income on housing. So with a $135,000 salary (which is still above both the median and average household incomes even in wealthy Marin), you'd
just qualify to rent a one-bedroom apartment in my old neighborhood.
The "1/3" rule is pretty useless in high-income areas.
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Quote from: catsynth on June 26, 2017, 12:08:37 PM
I haven't calculated entirely, but I'm sure my annual fuel bill is less than 1 month of mortgage + condo dues + property tax.
Yes, cost of living is pretty insane here. Car costs are a drop in the bucket in comparison, even with higher-than-average gas prices. Fortunately, I can walk to work. For further afield transportation within the city, it's a mixture of public transit, Lyft, and taking my car when I really need to schlep stuff like musical instruments to a gig.
Methinks this is more about real estate prices than gas costs.
I've heard that, in Seattle, some people spend up to 50% of their salary on housing. The Seattle housing market is also pretty expensive (although San Fran is one level above AFAICT).
About one bajillion dollars.
I think we can safely restrict our answers to the set of all the non-negative rational numbers (but is there even reason to reply if the answer is in that set but not the set of all the positive rational numbers?).
Quote from: vdeane on June 27, 2017, 12:52:17 PM
I think we can safely restrict our answers to the set of all the non-negative rational numbers (but is there even reason to reply if the answer is in that set but not the set of all the positive rational numbers?).
No irrational numbers? While the cost has to be rational, the number of years does not have to be.
$700 per year.
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Quote from: vdeane on June 27, 2017, 12:52:17 PM
I think we can safely restrict our answers to the set of all the non-negative rational numbers (but is there even reason to reply if the answer is in that set but not the set of all the positive rational numbers?).
No irrational numbers? While the cost has to be rational, the number of years does not have to be.
The thread says "each year", so I think we can safely assume that "number of years" is equal to 1.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2017, 10:13:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2017, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on June 26, 2017, 05:52:09 PM
About one bajillion dollars.
not a number.
Says the guy who likely pays $0. :rolleyes:
0 is a number. Also, when I buy something at a store, I am likely paying for someone's gas.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 27, 2017, 08:52:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2017, 10:13:42 PM
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Quote from: epzik8 on June 26, 2017, 05:52:09 PM
About one bajillion dollars.
not a number.
Says the guy who likely pays $0. :rolleyes:
0 is a number. Also, when I buy something at a store, I am likely paying for someone's gas.
That's like updating your weather conditions several times a day.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 27, 2017, 09:06:43 PM
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Quote from: epzik8 on June 26, 2017, 05:52:09 PM
About one bajillion dollars.
not a number.
Says the guy who likely pays $0. :rolleyes:
0 is a number. Also, when I buy something at a store, I am likely paying for someone's gas.
That's like updating your weather conditions several times a day.
How is that related?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2017, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 27, 2017, 09:06:43 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 27, 2017, 08:52:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2017, 10:13:42 PM
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Quote from: epzik8 on June 26, 2017, 05:52:09 PM
About one bajillion dollars.
not a number.
Says the guy who likely pays $0. :rolleyes:
0 is a number. Also, when I buy something at a store, I am likely paying for someone's gas.
That's like updating your weather conditions several times a day.
How is that related?
Because they are both posts lacking substance.
My total gas costs for the past 12 months were $412.13. I probably only drive something like 6,000 miles/year or so.
In contrast, it was $512 for public transportation, and roughly $2000 in car expenses not directly related to driving (insurance, registration, and a new set of tires I needed last summer).
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2017, 10:13:42 PM
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Quote from: epzik8 on June 26, 2017, 05:52:09 PM
About one bajillion dollars.
not a number.
Says the guy who likely pays $0. :rolleyes:
0 is a number. Also, when I buy something at a store, I am likely paying for someone's gas.
That's like updating your weather conditions several times a day.
How is that related?
Because they are both posts lacking substance.
Then why does anyone post their?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 29, 2017, 11:05:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 28, 2017, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2017, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 27, 2017, 09:06:43 PM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2017, 10:13:42 PM
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Quote from: epzik8 on June 26, 2017, 05:52:09 PM
About one bajillion dollars.
not a number.
Says the guy who likely pays $0. :rolleyes:
0 is a number. Also, when I buy something at a store, I am likely paying for someone's gas.
That's like updating your weather conditions several times a day.
How is that related?
Because they are both posts lacking substance.
Then why does anyone post their?
Usually they only post significant changes in the weather and not several times a day when minute changes happen.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 29, 2017, 11:08:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 29, 2017, 11:05:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 28, 2017, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2017, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 27, 2017, 09:06:43 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 27, 2017, 08:52:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2017, 10:13:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2017, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on June 26, 2017, 05:52:09 PM
About one bajillion dollars.
not a number.
Says the guy who likely pays $0. :rolleyes:
0 is a number. Also, when I buy something at a store, I am likely paying for someone's gas.
That's like updating your weather conditions several times a day.
How is that related?
Because they are both posts lacking substance.
Then why does anyone post their?
Usually they only post significant changes in the weather and not several times a day when minute changes happen.
I don't post multiple times per day in that thread.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 30, 2017, 08:15:38 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 29, 2017, 11:08:15 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 29, 2017, 11:05:00 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 28, 2017, 12:21:17 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 28, 2017, 12:19:02 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 27, 2017, 09:06:43 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 27, 2017, 08:52:27 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on June 26, 2017, 10:13:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on June 26, 2017, 08:25:06 PM
Quote from: epzik8 on June 26, 2017, 05:52:09 PM
About one bajillion dollars.
not a number.
Says the guy who likely pays $0. :rolleyes:
0 is a number. Also, when I buy something at a store, I am likely paying for someone's gas.
That's like updating your weather conditions several times a day.
How is that related?
Because they are both posts lacking substance.
Then why does anyone post their?
Usually they only post significant changes in the weather and not several times a day when minute changes happen.
I don't post multiple times per day in that thread.
Settle down guys...I once paid my dad for gas, so somewhere around $25...indirectly