Does anyone know of any highways in your state/province that run over burial grounds?
Take I-4 at the St Johns River in Sanford, Florida for example. "Legend has it this small stretch of highway was built over the graves of four German immigrants who died of yellow fever. This area has supposedly had an unusually high number of accidents as well as two hurricanes that seemed to follow its path.
This video is from way back in 2009, but it shows just how long locals have been talking about the I-4 Dead Zone. It also shows some interesting evidence and digs a little deeper into the story of our haunted highway." http://www.onlyinyourstate.com/florida/i-4-dead-zone-fl/ (http://www.onlyinyourstate.com/florida/i-4-dead-zone-fl/)
It's not in my state, but the Interboro Parkway in New York was pushed through three cemeteries, two of which needed grave removals to make room. One of them (Cypress Hills) is where Jackie Robinson and Mae West are buried.
Quote from: ColossalBlocks on January 15, 2017, 04:15:54 PM
Does anyone know of any highways in your state/province that run over burial grounds?
Take I-4 at the St Johns River in Sanford, Florida for example. "Legend has it this small stretch of highway was built over the graves of four German immigrants who died of yellow fever. This area has supposedly had an unusually high number of accidents as well as two hurricanes that seemed to follow its path.
This video is from way back in 2009, but it shows just how long locals have been talking about the I-4 Dead Zone. It also shows some interesting evidence and digs a little deeper into the story of our haunted highway." http://www.onlyinyourstate.com/florida/i-4-dead-zone-fl/ (http://www.onlyinyourstate.com/florida/i-4-dead-zone-fl/)
Really the problem with that stretch of I-4 was that it was built below capacity. I doubt many of these kind of stories will continue now that the road is being expanded to six lanes.
Me personally I don't believe in this hoodoo stuff....but then again maybe they didn't relocate the bodies and just moved the headstones:
There was a thing in Arizona where people used to talk about US 666 being haunted until it was changed to US 191. Basically it was all total bull crap, the fatality rate was never that high and think people were keying off with how crazy the alignment of the Coronado Trail was.
I honestly don't believe in hoodoo crap either, i was just looking for roads that pushed through cemeteries, like 1995hoo mentioned above.
When I was a kid, some tabloid show ("A Current Affair"?) claimed NJ 55 was built over some Native American burial ground and therefore was subject to a higher number of accidents.
Quote from: ColossalBlocks on January 15, 2017, 05:59:18 PM
I honestly don't believe in hoodoo crap either, i was just looking for roads that pushed through cemeteries, like 1995hoo mentioned above.
The irony with all that I-4 stuff is that there is so many cemeteries and towns in Florida that are long forgotten or are long buried by the modern infrastructure. I used to hear something similar from the locals down in the Keys about US 1 next to Veterans Key where they were building the new highway bridge next to the Overseas Railroad. Really anywhere you get some extra abnormally high fatalities on the roadway people kind of start digging into the past history of the area to come up with these stories. Incidentally dangerousroads.org has a lot of ghost stories about haunted roadways scattered about their site:
http://www.dangerousroads.org/
Quote from: ColossalBlocks on January 15, 2017, 05:59:18 PM
I honestly don't believe in hoodoo crap either, i was just looking for roads that pushed through cemeteries, like 1995hoo mentioned above.
Just in case it wasn't clear, I'm not superstitious either, although when it comes to sports I have a well-honed sense for what's lucky and unlucky.
I may be wrong but I want to say I-196 between Georgetown Township and Grand Rapids is either built on, or very very close to, an Indian burial site close to the Grand River.
I was pretty young (end of 3rd grade) when I moved away from there but I really want to say I heard that back then (now I am going to have to study up on it to be sure).
I-55 through State Park Place / Fairmont City IL has to be, what with the interstate being literally at the foot of the Cahokia Mounds
If one's counting cemeteries, it appears that the Garden State Parkway cuts through Holy Sepulcher Cemetery (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Montvale,+NJ+07645/@40.7462462,-74.2131605,3a,60y,347.64h,80t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s2RJjl3ZqN42nPBhu8RZmvQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x89c2e61134ce3991:0xd755ebc5824f9e80!8m2!3d41.0467635!4d-74.0229173!6m1!1e1).
Anybody know the history regarding the above?
Quote from: slorydn1 on January 27, 2017, 04:41:47 AM
I may be wrong but I want to say I-196 between Georgetown Township and Grand Rapids is either built on, or very very close to, an Indian burial site close to the Grand River.
I was pretty young (end of 3rd grade) when I moved away from there but I really want to say I heard that back then (now I am going to have to study up on it to be sure).
The Norton Mound group is near to, but not under, I-196: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_Mound_Group
But when I searched for this, I found something I never knew before - that there were mounds on the west side of the river in what is now part of the city, that were built over long ago: http://www.historygrandrapids.org/audio/2497/indian-mounds
Native burial sites are a huge PITA in Hawaii, especially since often nobody knows (or is willing to disclose) exactly where they are, and native Hawaiian organizations can be balky about allowing reburials. So if construction crews encounter such sites, they might need to do a quickie reroute of the road (within an especially wide ROW, to allow for that contingency).
Interstate H-3 was reportedly subject to a curse when it was built through the Halawa Valley, though AFAIK that was because of the overall sacred status of the valley rather than any specific burial sites. Funny stuff reportedly happened during construction, such as mysterious movements of construction equipment, though that seems to have stopped after the freeway was fully opened to traffic in 1997.
IIRC. when Interstate 15 was built north of Escondido CA, construction crews encountered previously unknown native burial sites. Construction was briefly interrupted to arrange for reburials of the remains (with tribal permission).
Did NY-33 really cut through Pine Ridge Cemetary as it appears on the map?
I've posted about this before, but when the original phase of Central Expwy. (US 75) was built north of downtown Dallas, it was not known widely at the time, but the highway structures built in the vicinity of what is now the Lemmon Ave. exit were built over numerous graves of African-Americans. When work had begun on the redo/widening of Central, eventually over 1000 bodies were found and had to be re-interred. The Freedmen's Cemetery and memorial site at the SW corner of Central/Lemmon is where those souls rest now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Expressway_(Dallas)
http://www.dfwfreeways.com/book/ChCentralOriginal?startOdd=False&pdfSize=11%2BMB&pdfFile=Dallas-Fort-Worth-Freeways-book-03-20140803.pdf
https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=2175657
Quote from: Rothman on January 15, 2017, 06:16:07 PM
When I was a kid, some tabloid show ("A Current Affair"?) claimed NJ 55 was built over some Native American burial ground and therefore was subject to a higher number of accidents.
If I could find local newspapers from the 80's when the highway was built, it was talked about extensively back then.
https://roadtrippers.com/stories/road-workers-were-so-scared-of-this-grave-they-paved-around-it
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 15, 2017, 04:22:03 PM
It's not in my state, but the Interboro Parkway in New York was pushed through three cemeteries, two of which needed grave removals to make room. One of them (Cypress Hills) is where Jackie Robinson and Mae West are buried.
Wow the only time I heard "Interboro" parkway was from my GPS and Wiki but yes The Jackie Robinson does cross a lot.. my girl friend lives out in Brooklyn and the section when you come up to them it's very curvy but I never knew they needed to have the graves removed some of the idiots that drive in that section I feel it's a crash waiting to happen.
I've seen a recurring program on The Weather Channel about the "I-4 Deadzone," which is near Sanford, Florida. Typically I don't believe much in paranormal stuff, but I will say that the stories that I have heard from that stretch of interstate are quite uncanny. It is an eerie coincidence that, IIRC, Hurricane Donna changed direction and headed toward the Orlando area right as they broke ground for Interstate 4. Some of the stories regarding the "I-4 Deadzone" are actually incredibly creepy. With all that said, I would still have no hesitance to ride on that stretch of Interstate 4. However, I would preferably not do so at night, just to be safe. :poke:
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on February 01, 2017, 08:23:50 PM
I've seen a recurring program on The Weather Channel about the "I-4 Deadzone," which is near Sanford, Florida. Typically I don't believe much in paranormal stuff, but I will say that the stories that I have heard from that stretch of interstate are quite uncanny. It is an eerie coincidence that, IIRC, Hurricane Donna changed direction and headed toward the Orlando area right as they broke ground for Interstate 4. Some of the stories regarding the "I-4 Deadzone" are actually incredibly creepy. With all that said, I would still have no hesitance to ride on that stretch of Interstate 4. However, I would preferably not do so at night, just to be safe. :poke:
I'd say the poor substandard old four-lane design had more to do with the weird accidents. I've driven that section of I-4 from Sanford to Daytona hundreds of time and never once saw anything out of the ordinary asides from bad driving habits on top of tons of wrecks.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 01, 2017, 10:12:53 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on February 01, 2017, 08:23:50 PM
I've seen a recurring program on The Weather Channel about the "I-4 Deadzone," which is near Sanford, Florida. Typically I don't believe much in paranormal stuff, but I will say that the stories that I have heard from that stretch of interstate are quite uncanny. It is an eerie coincidence that, IIRC, Hurricane Donna changed direction and headed toward the Orlando area right as they broke ground for Interstate 4. Some of the stories regarding the "I-4 Deadzone" are actually incredibly creepy. With all that said, I would still have no hesitance to ride on that stretch of Interstate 4. However, I would preferably not do so at night, just to be safe. :poke:
I'd say the poor substandard old four-lane design had more to do with the weird accidents. I've driven that section of I-4 from Sanford to Daytona hundreds of time and never once saw anything out of the ordinary asides from bad driving habits on top of tons of wrecks.
I used to drive that section a few times a week. Once the bridge was replaced it was much better.
I have heard that 4 is a bad luck number in China, appartly the symbol is the same as death.
A couple years ago a dump truck had a blowout there during the AM rush. It went across the median hit and crushed a car. The driver was instantly killed, she was a nurse on her way into her shift.
I was litterally minutes ahead of it. A few coworkers were over an hour late to work
LGMS428
I'm pretty sure if I-291 was completed west of Hartford it would have cut through a cemetery in Bloomfield.
Quote from: jwolfer on February 01, 2017, 10:26:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 01, 2017, 10:12:53 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on February 01, 2017, 08:23:50 PM
I've seen a recurring program on The Weather Channel about the "I-4 Deadzone," which is near Sanford, Florida. Typically I don't believe much in paranormal stuff, but I will say that the stories that I have heard from that stretch of interstate are quite uncanny. It is an eerie coincidence that, IIRC, Hurricane Donna changed direction and headed toward the Orlando area right as they broke ground for Interstate 4. Some of the stories regarding the "I-4 Deadzone" are actually incredibly creepy. With all that said, I would still have no hesitance to ride on that stretch of Interstate 4. However, I would preferably not do so at night, just to be safe. :poke:
I'd say the poor substandard old four-lane design had more to do with the weird accidents. I've driven that section of I-4 from Sanford to Daytona hundreds of time and never once saw anything out of the ordinary asides from bad driving habits on top of tons of wrecks.
I used to drive that section a few times a week. Once the bridge was replaced it was much better.
I have heard that 4 is a bad luck number in China, appartly the symbol is the same as death.
A couple years ago a dump truck had a blowout there during the AM rush. It went across the median hit and crushed a car. The driver was instantly killed, she was a nurse on her way into her shift.
I was litterally minutes ahead of it. A few coworkers were over an hour late to work
LGMS428
I did basically whatever I could to avoid I-4 in general in every direction. I would usually take FL 50 west out of the Orlando via the 408 or even a combo of 417 and US 17 to get to Jacksonville. It has to be near the top of the heap of most miserable roadways in the country, not a single piece of it really ought to be considered "safe" much less "haunted." Hopefully I-4 Ultimate and the ongoing project between Sanford to Daytona helps with things. Really Orlando could use an untolled bypass to drive some of the freeloader traffic off it, but if you are willing to pay then 417 is a fantastic option.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 01, 2017, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on February 01, 2017, 10:26:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 01, 2017, 10:12:53 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on February 01, 2017, 08:23:50 PM
I've seen a recurring program on The Weather Channel about the "I-4 Deadzone," which is near Sanford, Florida. Typically I don't believe much in paranormal stuff, but I will say that the stories that I have heard from that stretch of interstate are quite uncanny. It is an eerie coincidence that, IIRC, Hurricane Donna changed direction and headed toward the Orlando area right as they broke ground for Interstate 4. Some of the stories regarding the "I-4 Deadzone" are actually incredibly creepy. With all that said, I would still have no hesitance to ride on that stretch of Interstate 4. However, I would preferably not do so at night, just to be safe. :poke:
I'd say the poor substandard old four-lane design had more to do with the weird accidents. I've driven that section of I-4 from Sanford to Daytona hundreds of time and never once saw anything out of the ordinary asides from bad driving habits on top of tons of wrecks.
I used to drive that section a few times a week. Once the bridge was replaced it was much better.
I have heard that 4 is a bad luck number in China, appartly the symbol is the same as death.
A couple years ago a dump truck had a blowout there during the AM rush. It went across the median hit and crushed a car. The driver was instantly killed, she was a nurse on her way into her shift.
I was litterally minutes ahead of it. A few coworkers were over an hour late to work
LGMS428
I did basically whatever I could to avoid I-4 in general in every direction. I would usually take FL 50 west out of the Orlando via the 408 or even a combo of 417 and US 17 to get to Jacksonville. It has to be near the top of the heap of most miserable roadways in the country, not a single piece of it really ought to be considered "safe" much less "haunted." Hopefully I-4 Ultimate and the ongoing project between Sanford to Daytona helps with things. Really Orlando could use an untolled bypass to drive some of the freeloader traffic off it, but if you are willing to pay then 417 is a fantastic option.
That's quite understandable. With the alleged haunting put aside, Interstate 4 is still a rough road. I agree that hopefully the "I-4 Ultimate" project will make the situation better. I am looking forward to seeing that being done.
Quote from: MikeCL on January 31, 2017, 09:42:42 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 15, 2017, 04:22:03 PM
It's not in my state, but the Interboro Parkway in New York was pushed through three cemeteries, two of which needed grave removals to make room. One of them (Cypress Hills) is where Jackie Robinson and Mae West are buried.
Wow the only time I heard "Interboro" parkway was from my GPS and Wiki ....
That's its original (and real!) name.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 01, 2017, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on February 01, 2017, 10:26:40 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 01, 2017, 10:12:53 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on February 01, 2017, 08:23:50 PM
I've seen a recurring program on The Weather Channel about the "I-4 Deadzone," which is near Sanford, Florida. Typically I don't believe much in paranormal stuff, but I will say that the stories that I have heard from that stretch of interstate are quite uncanny. It is an eerie coincidence that, IIRC, Hurricane Donna changed direction and headed toward the Orlando area right as they broke ground for Interstate 4. Some of the stories regarding the "I-4 Deadzone" are actually incredibly creepy. With all that said, I would still have no hesitance to ride on that stretch of Interstate 4. However, I would preferably not do so at night, just to be safe. :poke:
I'd say the poor substandard old four-lane design had more to do with the weird accidents. I've driven that section of I-4 from Sanford to Daytona hundreds of time and never once saw anything out of the ordinary asides from bad driving habits on top of tons of wrecks.
I used to drive that section a few times a week. Once the bridge was replaced it was much better.
I have heard that 4 is a bad luck number in China, appartly the symbol is the same as death.
A couple years ago a dump truck had a blowout there during the AM rush. It went across the median hit and crushed a car. The driver was instantly killed, she was a nurse on her way into her shift.
I was litterally minutes ahead of it. A few coworkers were over an hour late to work
LGMS428
I did basically whatever I could to avoid I-4 in general in every direction. I would usually take FL 50 west out of the Orlando via the 408 or even a combo of 417 and US 17 to get to Jacksonville. It has to be near the top of the heap of most miserable roadways in the country, not a single piece of it really ought to be considered "safe" much less "haunted." Hopefully I-4 Ultimate and the ongoing project between Sanford to Daytona helps with things. Really Orlando could use an untolled bypass to drive some of the freeloader traffic off it, but if you are willing to pay then 417 is a fantastic option.
417 ( and 429 soon) are oftne the best way to get through Orlando and coming from the north best way to get to Disney
I have driven Jax-Orlando so many times.. I have taken 17 a few times i like using SR 19 from Tavares to Palatka also. 19 is through Ocala National Forest pretry much wilderness coe much of the way. You will lose cell service
LGMS428
I-94 in Milwaukee doesn't run over burial grounds, but splits one in two. It splits the Wood National Cemetery in two. As a result, it makes for a tight ROW and makes the upcoming job of reconstructing I-94 a difficult and controversial one.
https://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/national_cemeteries/wisconsin/Wood_National_Cemetery.html
http://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/projects/by-region/se/94stadiumint/default.aspx
Quote from: inkyatari on January 27, 2017, 09:43:48 AM
I-55 through State Park Place / Fairmont City IL has to be, what with the interstate being literally at the foot of the Cahokia Mounds
I-16 southeast of Macon runs between various burial mounds at the Ocmulgee National Monument; one of the railroad lines in the vicinity was actually built straight through a mound, presumably out of spite since it could have been easily avoided.
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 02, 2017, 01:22:39 PM
Quote from: MikeCL on January 31, 2017, 09:42:42 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 15, 2017, 04:22:03 PM
It's not in my state, but the Interboro Parkway in New York was pushed through three cemeteries, two of which needed grave removals to make room. One of them (Cypress Hills) is where Jackie Robinson and Mae West are buried.
Wow the only time I heard "Interboro" parkway was from my GPS and Wiki ....
That's its original (and real!) name.
Yeah I got to learn the layout good I got rear ended on the Queens end just before the fork for GCP and Van Wyck this idiot could not make up his mind what lane he wanted to get in so he started moving left I got in the right lane.. well after he made contact with my whole left side of the car and kept on going I stopped causing the lady behind me to rear end me.. took almost 1 hr and 20 min for the cops to come.. and thats after calling 4 times.. by that time we moved to the shoulder on the ramp for the Van Wyck.\
I would hate to see if my GF was in labor or something..
I've always wondered if any graves were disturbed when the Connecticut Turnpike/I-395 was built through the Maplewood Cemetery in Norwich, CT. The highway goes right through the center of the cemetery. There's even an overpass for the cemetery access road over the highway.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5055761,-72.1137151,16z
In a somewhat eerie coincidence, for the last 10+ years various people have tried to construct a hotel on property bought from the cemetery right next to I395. The project will go for a few years before it goes bankrupt and dies, just to be resurrected a few years later. At this point, the whole shell of a building is there, and work recently resumed on the interior. But who would want to stay at a hotel built on a cemetery??
There is a cemetery on the median on U.S. 59
Coordinates, cant put a GMaps link. 30.299035,-95.115040
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The New Jersey Turnpike Authority had to fund the disinterment and removal of over 4,000 bodies from Hudson County Burial Grounds (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_County_Burial_Grounds) as part of the Exit 15X project on the Turnpike's East Spur at Secaucus Junction. The bodies were re-interred at a different cemetery in New Jersey (see Wikipedia article hyperlinked above for details).
I believe that the Stonehenge Tunnel will run through one - not over, but through. The current road predates anything in the area, so is fine, though some of the burial mounds and stuff get close to the wider roadbed that now exists compared to 5000 years ago.
The railways often do this - a couple of years ago Crossrail ran unbeknownst into unmarked plague pit (and so the archeologists came flooding along for a few weeks to catalogue the site before the bodies were reinterred somewhere else) and the approach to King Cross meant moving a whole graveyard (the story was, even at the time, that the railway company took better care of the dead bodies they displaced than the living people in the slums they took out).
The original construction of I-290 in Forest Park, IL required the relocation of more than 2,000 individual grave sites. The freeway is still surrounded on both sides by cemeteries between 1st and Des Plaines Avenues. Incidentally, nearby OHare Airport needed to relocate over 1,000 grave sites for a once-controversial runway expansion a few years ago.