Is there a name for this shape? Or at least some way to concisely describe it?
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on February 02, 2017, 07:10:57 PM
Is there a name for this shape? Or at least some way to concisely describe it?
It looks like a book blowing a bubble.
I also think it looks sort of like the Children's Television Workshop sign they used to hold up at the end of 'Sesame Street'.
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/0c/a0/27/0ca027e2afc73497305b8d483966fe8b.jpg)
We've been over this many times. It's the state coat of arms.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Coat_of_Arms_of_New_York.svg/389px-Coat_of_Arms_of_New_York.svg.png)
To me, it always look like a kid drew the big center piece of a wrestling championship belt.
Quote from: cl94 on February 02, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
We've been over this many times. It's the state coat of arms.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Coat_of_Arms_of_New_York.svg/389px-Coat_of_Arms_of_New_York.svg.png)
It's a poor simulation of it, then. A more accurate representation of the coat of arms would be the Mexican federal route marker.
Quote from: cl94 on February 02, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
We've been over this many times. It's the state coat of arms.
My apologies if it's been asked many times. I searched and couldn't find anything, though.
Quote from: cl94 on February 02, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
We've been over this many times. It's the state coat of arms.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Coat_of_Arms_of_New_York.svg/389px-Coat_of_Arms_of_New_York.svg.png)
Except...it isn't.
I thought it had a mountain in the middle to symbolize the Catskills and Adirondacks.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on February 02, 2017, 09:47:55 PM
Quote from: cl94 on February 02, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
We've been over this many times. It's the state coat of arms.
My apologies if it's been asked many times. I searched and couldn't find anything, though.
Who's "we"? I've never seen this question asked either. If it's been covered in the Northeast thread, not everyone posts in there. Myself for example. Probably MNHighwayMan as well.
Quote from: empirestate on February 02, 2017, 11:33:43 PM
Except...it isn't.
No kidding. It looks vaguely like a
very simplified version of the shield in the middle, but that's about it.
If they wanted it to actually look like the shield in the middle, they should have just taken the shield verbatim. It's a very workable design that could be easily stretched to accommodate three digits. In fairness, I quite like New York's shield design as-is (it reminds me of the
Autobahn highway shield).
Quote from: empirestate on February 02, 2017, 11:33:43 PM
Quote from: cl94 on February 02, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
We've been over this many times. It's the state coat of arms.
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Coat_of_Arms_of_New_York.svg/389px-Coat_of_Arms_of_New_York.svg.png)
Except …it isn't.
To be more precise, it's an outline shape drawn around the coat of arms.
Quote from: jakeroot on February 03, 2017, 01:33:11 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on February 02, 2017, 09:47:55 PM
Quote from: cl94 on February 02, 2017, 07:40:33 PM
We've been over this many times. It's the state coat of arms.
My apologies if it's been asked many times. I searched and couldn't find anything, though.
Who's "we"? I've never seen this question asked either. If it's been covered in the Northeast thread, not everyone posts in there. Myself for example. Probably MNHighwayMan as well.
I have definitely heard it a number of times before. I may even have seen the source of the claim, many moons ago, but I can't directly recall it right now. But as you can probably tell, I've focused on my home state since the early days of online roadsdom.
QuoteQuote from: empirestate on February 02, 2017, 11:33:43 PM
Except...it isn't.
No kidding. It looks vaguely like a very simplified version of the shield in the middle, but that's about it.
If they wanted it to actually look like the shield in the middle, they should have just taken the shield verbatim. It's a very workable design that could be easily stretched to accommodate three digits. In fairness, I quite like New York's shield design as-is (it reminds me of the Autobahn highway shield).
Well, it's not the shield as depicted
in this rendering of the coat of arms, although heraldry tells us that arms can be drawn in any way that matches the blazon. So it's possible there's another rendering of the arms that used this shield shape, and that's what it's based on, but that's a stretch.
As for its name, well, it's certainly a shield of some kind, and the heraldic term for that is an
escutcheon. So, to answer the OP, that's your best bet for what to call it. (Of course, the US and Interstate shields are also escutcheons, as are some other states' and countries', so the term doesn't uniquely describe this exact shape.)
I thought I had posted here yesterday. The coat of arms looks more like Mexico's federal route marker than it does New York's state route marker.
Quote from: hbelkins on February 03, 2017, 11:14:10 AM
I thought I had posted here yesterday. The coat of arms looks more like Mexico's federal route marker than it does New York's state route marker.
I think you're missing something fundamental here. It's not the shield in the middle of the seal; it's all of it.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi410%2Fkphoger%2FNY_zpsop4h76tz.png&hash=573852eb84bb4abb32b9beb331d78a7937438a05)
Quote from: kphoger on February 03, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 03, 2017, 11:14:10 AM
I thought I had posted here yesterday. The coat of arms looks more like Mexico's federal route marker than it does New York's state route marker.
I think you're missing something fundamental here. It's not the shield in the middle of the seal; it's all of it.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi410%2Fkphoger%2FNY_zpsop4h76tz.png&hash=573852eb84bb4abb32b9beb331d78a7937438a05)
That one I'm not so sure about. For the record, I don't doubt that it's the shield from the coat of arms; I only point out that it doesn't resemble it in the image given, nor can I recall the citation establishing that origin. However, doing a Google image search for the state seal, I do indeed find some other renderings that look a little more like the route marker (and some that definitely don't). Also, the early design of the route marker is somewhat taller than many current variants, and thus looks at least a bit closer to the "Mexico"-shaped escutcheon in the current arms (see: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3521.msg160222#msg160222).
Quote from: kphoger on February 03, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 03, 2017, 11:14:10 AM
I thought I had posted here yesterday. The coat of arms looks more like Mexico's federal route marker than it does New York's state route marker.
I think you're missing something fundamental here. It's not the shield in the middle of the seal; it's all of it.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi410%2Fkphoger%2FNY_zpsop4h76tz.png&hash=573852eb84bb4abb32b9beb331d78a7937438a05)
That wasn't included in the first image.
Quote from: kphoger on February 03, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 03, 2017, 11:14:10 AM
I thought I had posted here yesterday. The coat of arms looks more like Mexico's federal route marker than it does New York's state route marker.
I think you're missing something fundamental here. It's not the shield in the middle of the seal; it's all of it.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi410%2Fkphoger%2FNY_zpsop4h76tz.png&hash=573852eb84bb4abb32b9beb331d78a7937438a05)
If that's the case, it's a really obscure way to come up with a shape
Quote from: empirestate on February 03, 2017, 10:46:06 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 03, 2017, 01:33:11 AM
Who's "we"? I've never seen this question asked either. If it's been covered in the Northeast thread, not everyone posts in there. Myself for example. Probably MNHighwayMan as well.
I have definitely heard it a number of times before. I may even have seen the source of the claim, many moons ago, but I can't directly recall it right now. But as you can probably tell, I've focused on my home state since the early days of online roadsdom.
Well, I would hope you had heard of the inquiry before. You're name is
empirestate! :-D
Quote from: empirestate on February 03, 2017, 01:29:56 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 03, 2017, 11:42:11 AM
Quote from: hbelkins on February 03, 2017, 11:14:10 AM
I thought I had posted here yesterday. The coat of arms looks more like Mexico's federal route marker than it does New York's state route marker.
I think you're missing something fundamental here. It's not the shield in the middle of the seal; it's all of it.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1092.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fi410%2Fkphoger%2FNY_zpsop4h76tz.png&hash=573852eb84bb4abb32b9beb331d78a7937438a05)
That one I'm not so sure about. For the record, I don't doubt that it's the shield from the coat of arms; I only point out that it doesn't resemble it in the image given, nor can I recall the citation establishing that origin. However, doing a Google image search for the state seal, I do indeed find some other renderings that look a little more like the route marker (and some that definitely don't). Also, the early design of the route marker is somewhat taller than many current variants, and thus looks at least a bit closer to the "Mexico"-shaped escutcheon in the current arms (see: https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=3521.msg160222#msg160222).
So, apparently, it's me who's missing something fundamental...
I'm pretty sure it's the coat of arms without the indents near the top on the side so that it didn't get confused with the US Route Marker. If you look at the original incarnation of the route shield, it's a little more of a vertical rectangle than what we have today.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupstatenyroads.com%2Faaroads%2Fny-route-marker.jpg&hash=24b83c278d703f71ca2728ab347160f264dfcc6d)
Or it's just a shield that happens to bear some resentence to the coat of arms by virtue of, well, their both being shields.
When I first saw one on my first roadtrip into the area (mid-late 1990s), my first thought was 'Chippendale'.
Mike
Quote from: mgk920 on February 04, 2017, 12:20:06 PM
When I first saw one on my first roadtrip into the area (mid-late 1990s), my first thought was 'Chippendale'.
Mike
It's the state Coat of Arms.
Quote from: abqtraveler on February 04, 2017, 01:08:27 PM
Quote from: mgk920 on February 04, 2017, 12:20:06 PM
When I first saw one on my first roadtrip into the area (mid-late 1990s), my first thought was 'Chippendale'.
It's the state Coat of Arms.
Are you following along or...?
When I first visited New York State in the 1960's as a child, I thought the shield was based on some sort of image of an open telephone book (anyone recall those?).
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 04, 2017, 07:52:20 PM
When I first visited New York State in the 1960's as a child, I thought the shield was based on some sort of image of an open telephone book (anyone recall those?).
You mean the yellow pages icon, with the "fingers doing the walking"?
SM-G930V
When I was little, I thought it looked like the swinging saloon doors in an old western movie.
Whether there is or isn't an actual name for the shield shape, it seems like it's meant to invoke colonial times. I've spent a lot of time in the Bennington, VT area -- and there's numerous establishments around there with similarly-shaped signage intended to convey just that "colonial Northeast" spirit.
Quote from: _Simon on February 04, 2017, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 04, 2017, 07:52:20 PM
When I first visited New York State in the 1960's as a child, I thought the shield was based on some sort of image of an open telephone book (anyone recall those?).
You mean the yellow pages icon, with the "fingers doing the walking"?
The
Fingers Do the Walking Yellow Pages logo dates back to about the mid-1970s. The one prior to it & the one that CP is likely referring to (and I could not find one from Google Images) featured an open bookleaf with the words
Yellow Pages displayed inside the bookleaf. Such was displayed on New England Telephone directories up through the early 70s. I'm not sure when that particular logo first rolled out but I'm guessing 1960s.
Regardless, NY's state highways shield shape clearly predates any
Yellow Pages that then-MA Bell had.
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 06, 2017, 10:58:02 AM
Quote from: _Simon on February 04, 2017, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 04, 2017, 07:52:20 PM
When I first visited New York State in the 1960's as a child, I thought the shield was based on some sort of image of an open telephone book (anyone recall those?).
You mean the yellow pages icon, with the "fingers doing the walking"?
The Fingers Do the Walking Yellow Pages logo dates back to about the mid-1970s. The one prior to it & the one that CP is likely referring to (and I could not find one from Google Images) featured an open bookleaf with the words Yellow Pages displayed inside the bookleaf. Such was displayed on New England Telephone directories up through the early 70s. I'm not sure when that particular logo first rolled out but I'm guessing 1960s.
Regardless, NY's state highways shield shape clearly predates any Yellow Pages that then-MA Bell had.
Well obviously, it's just what he thought it looked like as a child. We didn't really think NY state lifted the yellow pages logo for some bizarre reason.
SM-G930V
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 06, 2017, 10:58:02 AM
The one prior to it & the one that CP is likely referring to (and I could not find one from Google Images) featured an open bookleaf with the words Yellow Pages displayed inside the bookleaf. Such was displayed on New England Telephone directories up through the early 70s. I'm not sure when that particular logo first rolled out but I'm guessing 1960s.
That open bookleaf would be the one. I have a feeling that it was used by most or all of the RBOC's (regional Bell operating companies) in the 1960's (the old AT&T ("Bell System") was broken up in the 1980's). C&P Telephone (which served all of D.C.; nearly all of Maryland and large parts of Virginia and West Virginia) used that logo.
Quote from: cpzilliacus on February 06, 2017, 11:34:50 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 06, 2017, 10:58:02 AM
The one prior to it & the one that CP is likely referring to (and I could not find one from Google Images) featured an open bookleaf with the words Yellow Pages displayed inside the bookleaf. Such was displayed on New England Telephone directories up through the early 70s. I'm not sure when that particular logo first rolled out but I'm guessing 1960s.
That open bookleaf would be the one. I have a feeling that it was used by most or all of the RBOC's (regional Bell operating companies) in the 1960's (the old AT&T ("Bell System") was broken up in the 1980's). C&P Telephone (which served all of D.C.; nearly all of Maryland and large parts of Virginia and West Virginia) used that logo.
I sense a thread split incubating... ;-)
Its name is Gordon.
The NY state route marker always makes me think of the old Duncan Hines logo (minus the little "broken pediment" thing):
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/G4VSWfafWR4/hqdefault.jpg)
Quote from: ixnay on February 12, 2017, 07:51:26 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 09, 2017, 06:56:55 AM
Its name is Gordon.
Please explain.
ixnay
It could have just as easily been any other name. I'm naming the 3-digit version of this shape John.
Quote from: 1 on February 12, 2017, 07:56:44 AM
Quote from: ixnay on February 12, 2017, 07:51:26 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 09, 2017, 06:56:55 AM
Its name is Gordon.
Please explain.
ixnay
It could have just as easily been any other name. I'm naming the 3-digit version of this shape John.
I thought you were referring to a) this thread which someone said was close to meriting a split, and b) a character named Gordon in some obscure movie that you're a fan of. (I'm not a movie buff.)
ixnay
Quote from: GenExpwy on February 05, 2017, 02:12:27 AM
When I was little, I thought it looked like the swinging saloon doors in an old western movie.
YES
That's exactly what it reminds me of.
Which was confusing...because New York is nowhere near the wild west. This shape would do better in Wyoming or New Mexico XD
'Sesame Street' has a Gordon.
Man ever since I saw this thread I can't help but keep thinking back to this thread.. if you see 120A it gets a stretched out look
iPhone
For additional reference...I suppose the shape goes right over the seal in the state welcome signs:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fc1.staticflickr.com%2F1%2F592%2F32906536752_3c6c61e103_c.jpg&hash=698b8db6cf636e5326513c05274cfa3c05ae98ce) (http://flic.kr/p/S8QAVW)
It seems that seals from the 1700s were all about the baroque symbolism of ladies holding things like scales, books, shields, swords, pikes, robes, shiny things, and smurf hats.
Quote from: briantroutman on February 12, 2017, 01:38:36 AM
The NY state route marker always makes me think of the old Duncan Hines logo (minus the little “broken pediment” thing):
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/G4VSWfafWR4/hqdefault.jpg)
...I kind of think of it that way, too. Must be food on the mind.
My favorite part of the New York seal is Liberty stomping on the British crown.
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 06, 2017, 10:58:02 AM
The Fingers Do the Walking Yellow Pages logo dates back to about the mid-1970s. The one prior to it & the one that CP is likely referring to (and I could not find one from Google Images) featured an open bookleaf with the words Yellow Pages displayed inside the bookleaf.
Here's one;
(https://buildingpharmabrands.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/let-your-fingers-do-the-walking-1228jpeg.jpeg)
Quote from: PHLBOS on February 06, 2017, 10:58:02 AM
Regardless, NY's state highways shield shape clearly predates any Yellow Pages that then-MA Bell had.
Yeah, I'm going with the New York State Seal.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 21, 2017, 08:43:50 PMHere's one;
*image snipped*
Close but not quite the one I was thinking of. The one I was referring to featured a black square background with the bookleaf in yellow with the
Yellow Pageswording (in Arial font) vertically-stacked.
Like this?
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2875/9508804449_ec76843c85_b.jpg)
Quote from: formulanone on March 07, 2017, 11:48:27 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on February 12, 2017, 01:38:36 AM
The NY state route marker always makes me think of the old Duncan Hines logo (minus the little "broken pediment" thing):
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/G4VSWfafWR4/hqdefault.jpg)
...I kind of think of it that way, too. Must be food on the mind.
I still think those are closer to the old Maryland House signs.
Quote from: D-Dey65 on March 21, 2017, 08:43:50 PM
Here's one;
[snippage]
Naaahhhh, that's a Massachusetts town line sign.
:-P
Mike