Love that chicken from Burger King? (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-burger-king-popeyes-20170221-story.html)
Funny thing about the deal is that the capital investment company is Brazilian. Remember when a Belgian company bought Anheuser Busch? A Chinese company acquiring Volvo?
That said, Popeye's is a non-presence in Oregon other than a few in the Portland area with one in Salem. Why has no one stepped up and invested some moolah in a series of downstate franchises? Are they chicken of KFC? LOL!
When I lived in Louisiana, the chain had crawfish etouffe on the menu. It disappeared sooner than later unfortunately. Were Popeye's to get more serious about REALLY doing business, they would blow Kentucky Fried Rat out of the water and give the ENTIRE nation a taste of Louisiana goodness!
My last visit to one in PDX resulted in what was listed on the menu online not being available at the store. Sad! I do give a thumbs up for their spicy mustard dip, which is so exceptional that if it were available in a store, I would buy it. Too bad the past owners were never intelligent enough to grasp the opportunity. You can go to the grocery store and find plenty of goods from other major food chains out there so this concept is not exactly reinventing the wheel.
Rick
Popeye's was one of the best fast food chains. Seriously, their iced tea and chicken, you can name any item on a Popeye's menu, and it is GUARANTEED to be delicious.
Shame Burger King is taking it over. I've tried them once or twice, and the food was good, but nowhere near Popeye's quality.
Quote from: golden eagle on February 21, 2017, 08:34:48 PM
Love that chicken from Burger King? (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-burger-king-popeyes-20170221-story.html)
More like, Have it Your Way at Popeyes? :-D
So I'm guessing that they will be twinned, like KFC, Taco Bell, Long John Silvers and A&W are with each other nowadays? It'll be interesting to see where the deal goes from here. And the fact that Popeyes is a main sponsor of the NFL is a big plus, meaning more national expansion to come.
Quote from: noelbotevera on February 22, 2017, 12:41:04 AM
Shame Burger King is taking it over. I've tried them once or twice, and the food was good, but nowhere near Popeye's quality.
It's not Burger King taking Popeye's over. It's the parent company of Burger King (and Tim Hortons) taking Popeye's over.
I'm waiting for the Creepy Burger King meme as per custom with anything Burger King related news wise.
Quote from: Henry on February 22, 2017, 09:48:54 AM
Quote from: golden eagle on February 21, 2017, 08:34:48 PM
Love that chicken from Burger King? (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-burger-king-popeyes-20170221-story.html)
More like, Have it Your Way at Popeyes? :-D
So I'm guessing that they will be twinned, like KFC, Taco Bell, Long John Silvers and A&W are with each other nowadays? It'll be interesting to see where the deal goes from here. And the fact that Popeyes is a main sponsor of the NFL is a big plus, meaning more national expansion to come.
Doubt it. BK and Popeyes can hold their own, and I will think they will remain separate stores. This deal allows BK to diversify into the fried chicken market, which is huge.
If you go higher up into BK's ownership, you'll see that Burger King, Dunkin Donuts and Domino's Pizza are all related as well.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 22, 2017, 10:28:54 AM
I'm waiting for the Creepy Burger King meme as per custom with anything Burger King related news wise.
I tried to find a gif of him doing the "hold on" gesture to post here, but came up short.
Quote from: Takumi on February 22, 2017, 11:26:21 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 22, 2017, 10:28:54 AM
I'm waiting for the Creepy Burger King meme as per custom with anything Burger King related news wise.
I tried to find a gif of him doing the "hold on" gesture to post here, but came up short.
I had a look through Meme Generator last night and didn't see anything related to the story. There was one for "wake up with the king" that said "where is your god now?" That got a laugh out of me.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 22, 2017, 11:28:47 AM
Quote from: Takumi on February 22, 2017, 11:26:21 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 22, 2017, 10:28:54 AM
I'm waiting for the Creepy Burger King meme as per custom with anything Burger King related news wise.
I tried to find a gif of him doing the "hold on" gesture to post here, but came up short.
I had a look through Meme Generator last night and didn't see anything related to the story. There was one for "wake up with the king" that said "where is your god now?" That got a laugh out of me.
Burger King doesn't offer the same joke-punch as Taco Bell, [un?]fortunately.
Quote from: Henry on February 22, 2017, 09:48:54 AM
Quote from: golden eagle on February 21, 2017, 08:34:48 PM
Love that chicken from Burger King? (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-burger-king-popeyes-20170221-story.html)
More like, Have it Your Way at Popeyes? :-D
So I'm guessing that they will be twinned, like KFC, Taco Bell, Long John Silvers and A&W are with each other nowadays? It'll be interesting to see where the deal goes from here. And the fact that Popeyes is a main sponsor of the NFL is a big plus, meaning more national expansion to come.
If they do that, I hope they don't force Burger Kings dull fries with Popeye's food instead of Popeye's seasoned fries. The LJS KFC combo stores in my area force potato wedges on you even if you order Long John Silver's food. I hate that.
If the new ownership can address the site-to-site variability of Popeye's outlets, that'll be a good thing! When I lived down in Hesperia several years back, the two Popeye's outlets (1 in Hesperia off I-15 and the other in Victorville) were, to put it mildly, not places I'd go to twice -- excess grease in the chicken itself (possible undercooking?), soggy fries (both regular & seasoned), and, to top it off, almost hostile service. Up here in the San Jose area the outlet I've been to is quite good. I have no idea if the individual stores are company-owned a la In-N-Out, or franchised (like most FF chains). Either way, the parent company management needs to maintain/enforce some sort of QA. The basic Popeye's concept is just fine -- if follow-through is applied!
Why does the government allow this?
Quote from: bandit957 on February 22, 2017, 09:43:44 PM
Why does the government allow this?
Because it isn't illegal, not like we're talking US Steel or Standard Oil style trust busting.
It's not like a merger of fast-food chains is unique in the 21st Century; the acquisition of multiple vendors in a single sector by investment groups/hedge funds has become commonplace (European capital groups seem to be the biggest players in the field). The fast-food sector is only one of many to be so affected; home electronics/specialty (high-end) audio and video has seen a recent spate of mergers; companies formerly bitter rivals are now often under the same corporate umbrella (e.g. McIntosh & Audio Research). And to think that the merger of Carl's Jr. and Hardees back in the very early 2000's was considered a bold move!
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 22, 2017, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on February 22, 2017, 09:43:44 PM
Why does the government allow this?
Because it isn't illegal, not like we're talking US Steel or Standard Oil style trust busting.
Plus, it's a parent firm based in Canada, which is beyond the reach of U.S. antimonopoly authorities, right?
Trust? Did someone say trust?!?!? Cue https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yYchgX1fMw (song begins at 0:23) :biggrin:
ixnay
Quote from: sparker on February 22, 2017, 09:02:39 PM
If the new ownership can address the site-to-site variability of Popeye's outlets, that'll be a good thing! When I lived down in Hesperia several years back, the two Popeye's outlets (1 in Hesperia off I-15 and the other in Victorville) were, to put it mildly, not places I'd go to twice -- excess grease in the chicken itself (possible undercooking?), soggy fries (both regular & seasoned), and, to top it off, almost hostile service. Up here in the San Jose area the outlet I've been to is quite good. I have no idea if the individual stores are company-owned a la In-N-Out, or franchised (like most FF chains). Either way, the parent company management needs to maintain/enforce some sort of QA. The basic Popeye's concept is just fine -- if follow-through is applied!
I saw the same deal with Church's Fried Chicken in Louisiana. There needs to be QC!
Rick
Quote from: ixnay on February 23, 2017, 07:24:43 AM
Plus, it's a parent firm based in Canada, which is beyond the reach of U.S. antimonopoly authorities, right?
Nope. It's routine for the Federal antitrust agencies to challenge acquisitions by foreign companies that affect U.S. markets. I occasionally worked on such matters before I retired from one of those agencies.
Not that necessarily would be an issue of cornering fried chicken markets here.
Quote from: GCrites80s on February 22, 2017, 08:14:56 PM
Quote from: Henry on February 22, 2017, 09:48:54 AM
Quote from: golden eagle on February 21, 2017, 08:34:48 PM
Love that chicken from Burger King? (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-burger-king-popeyes-20170221-story.html)
More like, Have it Your Way at Popeyes? :-D
So I'm guessing that they will be twinned, like KFC, Taco Bell, Long John Silvers and A&W are with each other nowadays? It'll be interesting to see where the deal goes from here. And the fact that Popeyes is a main sponsor of the NFL is a big plus, meaning more national expansion to come.
If they do that, I hope they don't force Burger Kings dull fries with Popeye's food instead of Popeye's seasoned fries. The LJS KFC combo stores in my area force potato wedges on you even if you order Long John Silver's food. I hate that.
I was thinking more along the lines of they'd introduce Burger King fries at standalone Popeyes locations, but I sure as hell hope not.
That being said, I don't think we're gonna have co-branded locations. When Wendy's and Timmy Ho's were owned by the same company, they built a ton of co-branded locations. I don't see co-branded BK and Timmy Ho's locations sprouting up, so why would we have Popeyes co-branded locations? McDonald's didn't co-brand when they owned Chipotle, Boston Market and Donatos.
The only co-branding that might make sense is offering Timmy's coffee at Burger King. Burger King never really had a distinct coffee line of its own like McDonald's has developed, so why not offer a sister brand's coffee? And if they did, would they bring the "Roll up the Rim" promotion with it?
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 23, 2017, 09:26:44 PM
The only co-branding that might make sense is offering Timmy's coffee at Burger King. Burger King never really had a distinct coffee line of its own like McDonald's has developed, so why not offer a sister brand's coffee? And if they did, would they bring the "Roll up the Rim" promotion with it?
I would much rather Tim's coffee (I don't drink coffee) be offered along with its breakfast offerings (which I love) and other food, in more freestanding Tim's stores in the U.S. than the thin strip along the border from the Great Lakes eastward.
I would've been OK with the Tim's/BK merger -- even the do-it-yourself corporate tax reform angle -- except for the fear that it would dampen the incentive to open more freestanding Tim's stores in the U.S., in favor of opening only in BKs Tim Jortons Expresses (coffee and some sugary baked goods only, like I've seen in some Northern general merchandise stores in the Canadian Arctic). I'm not sure adding fried chicken places to the Tim's corporate empire would hurt, but it almost certainly won't help.
Tim Horton's Express is quite common in Upstate New York, particularly in areas without a large amount of freestanding locations. Mirabito has one in most locations with a full store.
Quote from: oscar on February 23, 2017, 12:56:42 PM
Quote from: ixnay on February 23, 2017, 07:24:43 AM
Plus, it's a parent firm based in Canada, which is beyond the reach of U.S. antimonopoly authorities, right?
Nope. It's routine for the Federal antitrust agencies to challenge acquisitions by foreign companies that affect U.S. markets. I occasionally worked on such matters before I retired from one of those agencies.
Then perhaps you can answer these questions: Are Ottawa's antitrust regulations as stringent as Washington's? Is it routine for Canada's antitrust agencies to challenge acquisitions by foreign companies that affect Canadian markets? How about other countries?
ixnay
Quote from: nexus73 on February 23, 2017, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: sparker on February 22, 2017, 09:02:39 PM
If the new ownership can address the site-to-site variability of Popeye's outlets, that'll be a good thing! When I lived down in Hesperia several years back, the two Popeye's outlets (1 in Hesperia off I-15 and the other in Victorville) were, to put it mildly, not places I'd go to twice -- excess grease in the chicken itself (possible undercooking?), soggy fries (both regular & seasoned), and, to top it off, almost hostile service. Up here in the San Jose area the outlet I've been to is quite good. I have no idea if the individual stores are company-owned a la In-N-Out, or franchised (like most FF chains). Either way, the parent company management needs to maintain/enforce some sort of QA. The basic Popeye's concept is just fine -- if follow-through is applied!
I saw the same deal with Church's Fried Chicken in Louisiana. There needs to be QC!
Rick
Church's chicken is absolutely nasty. I ain't sure there is any kind of QC that can help them. Chicken so greasy that it will soak through the cardboard box, soak any upholstery it is in contact with, & burn the hand holding said box.
I hope they don't change the fries either. But I don't see this as a consolidation/standardization merger. (I know nothing about a Tim Horton's. So I will mostly be referring to BK & Popeye's) I believe each company will have their own individual food vendors, soda vendors & other suppliers. Each company will be expected to operate at a profit...and as long as they do, the parent company may leave them alone. If they don't turn a profit, then RB, Inc. will step in & make changes.
Quote from: ixnay on February 24, 2017, 06:46:55 AM
Quote from: oscar on February 23, 2017, 12:56:42 PM
Quote from: ixnay on February 23, 2017, 07:24:43 AM
Plus, it's a parent firm based in Canada, which is beyond the reach of U.S. antimonopoly authorities, right?
Nope. It's routine for the Federal antitrust agencies to challenge acquisitions by foreign companies that affect U.S. markets. I occasionally worked on such matters before I retired from one of those agencies.
Then perhaps you can answer these questions: Are Ottawa's antitrust regulations as stringent as Washington's? Is it routine for Canada's antitrust agencies to challenge acquisitions by foreign companies that affect Canadian markets? How about other countries?
Can't speak to other countries' antitrust rules. As it relates to the subject at hand, it's not clear that there would be Canadian interest in fried chicken store acquisitions in the U.S. by Tim Hortons or its affiliated firms. If there's a problem, it's ours and not theirs.
Quote from: cjk374 on February 24, 2017, 06:13:43 PM
Church's chicken is absolutely nasty. I ain't sure there is any kind of QC that can help them. Chicken so greasy that it will soak through the cardboard box, soak any upholstery it is in contact with, & burn the hand holding said box.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffunthingstodowhileyourewaiting.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F10%2Fhieverybodycollage.jpg&hash=54955df610d3040c736baa8bb54ba3a9e1da2e18)
http://www.delish.com/food-news/a51704/popeyes-chicken-change-burger-king-merger/?ref=yfp
I did not see this coming at all. It is interesting that this new Restaurant Brands International holding company (which already oversaw Burger King and Tim Hortons) has now acquired Popeyes as well. Personally, I love both Burger King and Popeyes (but have never been to Tim Hortons). :hyper:
This was originally posted on February 21, 2017 at 11:56:28 PM (as Reply # 2), and originally edited on February 22, 2017 at 12:16:59 AM.
-more input coming soon-
A Tim Horton's opened here in San Jose recently south of SJSU -- but it's gotten terrible Yelp reviews -- particularly from Canadian or East Coast transplants who claim that the place doesn't have Horton donuts, coffee, or even decent service. Apparently it's an older converted BK outlet. Since I've had limited contact with the Horton idiom (a couple of brief stops on a 1991 trip to the Maritimes & Quebec), it's not been a priority to visit there -- but it seems if you're going to slap the name on an establishment, it should actually represent what that establishment is noted for!
Quote from: nexus73 on February 23, 2017, 12:44:46 PM
Quote from: sparker on February 22, 2017, 09:02:39 PM
If the new ownership can address the site-to-site variability of Popeye's outlets, that'll be a good thing! When I lived down in Hesperia several years back, the two Popeye's outlets (1 in Hesperia off I-15 and the other in Victorville) were, to put it mildly, not places I'd go to twice -- excess grease in the chicken itself (possible undercooking?), soggy fries (both regular & seasoned), and, to top it off, almost hostile service. Up here in the San Jose area the outlet I've been to is quite good. I have no idea if the individual stores are company-owned a la In-N-Out, or franchised (like most FF chains). Either way, the parent company management needs to maintain/enforce some sort of QA. The basic Popeye's concept is just fine -- if follow-through is applied!
I saw the same deal with Church's Fried Chicken in Louisiana. There needs to be QC!
Rick
Site to site variability is what comes with franchising. There's only so much the parent company can do in forcing an independent franchisee to follow the book on operations, regardless of what the contract says. Some franchisees follow the book religiously, and some think nothing of cutting corners if they think it will turn some extra profit. On the other side, some franchisors try to screen potential franchisees and keep everyone in line, while others care only about collecting fees and royalties and will let anybody upright and breathing open an outlet.
Even with the best intentions, there's (unavoidable?) variance from store to store and even from person to person. The more prep and assembly done at each location, the more room for variance, especially with items weighed vs. items counted. A McDonald's Quarter Pounder is one bun, one patty, two pickle slices, two cheese slices (all pre-made from quality-controlled suppliers), squirts of ketchup and mustard from measured dispensers, and a bit of onion. Very little room for variance. But your taco or burrito from Taco Bell, or your pizza from Little Caesars, can vary wildly depending on the location, the day, or the alignment of the planets.
Quote from: sparker on February 25, 2017, 02:48:16 AM
A Tim Horton's opened here in San Jose recently south of SJSU -- but it's gotten terrible Yelp reviews -- particularly from Canadian or East Coast transplants who claim that the place doesn't have Horton donuts, coffee, or even decent service. Apparently it's an older converted BK outlet. Since I've had limited contact with the Horton idiom (a couple of brief stops on a 1991 trip to the Maritimes & Quebec), it's not been a priority to visit there -- but it seems if you're going to slap the name on an establishment, it should actually represent what that establishment is noted for!
That's ironic, you'd think they would take a lesson from Target and how they did the same thing in Canada. Basically people actually expect a certain product from you based on your image and know when something is watered down. :-D
How can you have a Timmies without donuts?
Quote from: sparker on February 25, 2017, 02:48:16 AM
A Tim Horton's opened here in San Jose recently south of SJSU -- but it's gotten terrible Yelp reviews -- particularly from Canadian or East Coast transplants who claim that the place doesn't have Horton donuts, coffee, or even decent service. Apparently it's an older converted BK outlet. Since I've had limited contact with the Horton idiom (a couple of brief stops on a 1991 trip to the Maritimes & Quebec), it's not been a priority to visit there -- but it seems if you're going to slap the name on an establishment, it should actually represent what that establishment is noted for!
Ugh. Tim's in Canada obsess over the coffee. How can they not bring that to a California location?
What I really want from a Tim's out west is breakfast sandwiches, especially since in the U.S. McD's selection is worse out west than in the east (for example, no bagel sandwiches -- Tim's out east and in Canada have better bagels, but McDs in the eastern U.S. have better steak breakfast bagels). It doesn't sound like I should count on that, either, next time I'm out there and find a Tim's.
BTW, my first experience with breakfast bagel sandwiches was long ago at a Burger King, but they soon dropped that product. I complained to the "Burger Queen" (college classmate who then was a BK senior VP, and its highest-ranking female executive), but to no avail.
I was afraid the Tim Hortons brand would start to be watered down when Burger King took over. Sad to see I was right.
Quote from: vdeane on February 25, 2017, 05:11:26 PM
I was afraid the Tim Hortons brand would start to be watered down when Burger King took over. Sad to see I was right.
Actually Tim Hortons is the parent company in the merger. But to your point a lower standard could easily creep into a company with a higher one in a merger. I always thought Sears slid down to Kmart level post merger where the latter was the dominant party. The ironic thing was in that instance Sears Holding tried to wash away the Kmart name with Sears Grand/Essentials but all it did was knock the Sears brand down another peg. I'm sure there are other notable examples of the same thing happening in mergers.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2017, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 25, 2017, 05:11:26 PM
I was afraid the Tim Hortons brand would start to be watered down when Burger King took over. Sad to see I was right.
Actually Tim Hortons is the parent company in the merger. But to your point a lower standard could easily creep into a company with a higher one in a merger. I always thought Sears slid down to Kmart level post merger where the latter was the dominant party. The ironic thing was in that instance Sears Holding tried to wash away the Kmart name with Sears Grand/Essentials but all it did was knock the Sears brand down another peg. I'm sure there are other notable examples of the same thing happening in mergers.
Mergers can be blessings, & they can be curses. When the Union Pacific bought the Southern Pacific in 1997, it created massive gridlock nationwide because the UP way didn't work on the SP system. It took a few years before successful adjustments could be made by the UP to correctly absorb & operate their acquisition. I started working for my railroad in July 2002. We interchange with the UP at McNeil, AR which is on the former Cotton Belt/SP mainline. The merger was 5 years old then & they were still gridlocked with trains that couldn't move. Crews were being taxiied to the trains, sitting in the cab for almost 10-12 hours, then being taxiied back after moving the train 0 miles.
It was a mess.
Quote from: cjk374 on February 25, 2017, 09:21:44 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 25, 2017, 07:38:02 PM
Quote from: vdeane on February 25, 2017, 05:11:26 PM
I was afraid the Tim Hortons brand would start to be watered down when Burger King took over. Sad to see I was right.
Actually Tim Hortons is the parent company in the merger. But to your point a lower standard could easily creep into a company with a higher one in a merger. I always thought Sears slid down to Kmart level post merger where the latter was the dominant party. The ironic thing was in that instance Sears Holding tried to wash away the Kmart name with Sears Grand/Essentials but all it did was knock the Sears brand down another peg. I'm sure there are other notable examples of the same thing happening in mergers.
Mergers can be blessings, & they can be curses. When the Union Pacific bought the Southern Pacific in 1997, it created massive gridlock nationwide because the UP way didn't work on the SP system. It took a few years before successful adjustments could be made by the UP to correctly absorb & operate their acquisition. I started working for my railroad in July 2002. We interchange with the UP at McNeil, AR which is on the former Cotton Belt/SP mainline. The merger was 5 years old then & they were still gridlocked with trains that couldn't move. Crews were being taxiied to the trains, sitting in the cab for almost 10-12 hours, then being taxiied back after moving the train 0 miles.
It was a mess.
Absolutely right about the UP/SP mess. I remember back in 1997-98, after I moved back to the LA area from Portland (not my choice; family health issues) and seeing rail traffic backed up from all 3 entrances to their Colton yard hub to the point that the main lines were virtual parking lots. UP's hierarchical top-down management style just didn't sit well with longtime SP employees, who were used to a flatter "pyramid" where individual geographical divisions had been given considerable autonomy provided certain corporate criteria were being met. They lost a lot of dispatchers and conductors during that period to the point where formerly office-bound UP managers were actually running trains (at least the company knew better than to piss off the engineers -- and their union -- on a wholesale basis!). There were still residual effects of these issues for most of the next decade; when I was working in Ontario from 2003 to 2010 I commuted on I-10 next to the Colton yard and its lead tracks -- and more often than not, there were still 2-3 trains, on average, backed up from all 3 directions (L.A., Palmdale, and Indio) waiting to enter the yard leads. Not a good time, despite the good pay, to be a UP dispatcher!
Slightly off-topic, is the US restaurant hit a structural recession? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-26/us-restaurant-recession-becoming-structural
Quote from: oscar on February 25, 2017, 12:06:17 PM
What I really want from a Tim's out west is breakfast sandwiches, especially since in the U.S. McD's selection is worse out west than in the east (for example, no bagel sandwiches -- Tim's out east and in Canada have better bagels, but McDs in the eastern U.S. have better steak breakfast bagels). It doesn't sound like I should count on that, either, next time I'm out there and find a Tim's.
BTW, my first experience with breakfast bagel sandwiches was long ago at a Burger King, but they soon dropped that product. I complained to the "Burger Queen" (college classmate who then was a BK senior VP, and its highest-ranking female executive), but to no avail.
About the only place I've found that has decent bagel sandwiches is Noah's (all over CA) and Bruegger's (SoCal); their bagels are
real boiled/baked types and their sandwich material is usually fresh. Brueggers near the Ontario mall was a regular lunch spot when I worked down there. Can be a tad pricey (especially if you get the lox)!
Quote from: sparker on February 27, 2017, 02:30:13 PM
About the only place I've found that has decent bagel sandwiches is Noah's (all over CA) and Bruegger's (SoCal); their bagels are real boiled/baked types and their sandwich material is usually fresh. Brueggers near the Ontario mall was a regular lunch spot when I worked down there. Can be a tad pricey (especially if you get the lox)!
There are some Bruegger's in the D.C. area, one a short bus ride from me in Arlington. I'll have to try it out. Normally, it not having a drive-thru would be a problem, but not while I'm recovering from eye surgery and mostly hoofing it for a few more weeks.
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2017, 09:22:01 AM
How can you have a Timmies without donuts?
Better yet... How can you have
any restaurant
anywhere without coffee?
Quote from: kphoger on February 27, 2017, 05:00:14 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2017, 09:22:01 AM
How can you have a Timmies without donuts?
Better yet... How can you have any restaurant anywhere without coffee?
Easily. Coffee takes like crap to some of us. I can do without twigs and leaves..er..tea of any sort.
Quote from: Brandon on February 27, 2017, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 27, 2017, 05:00:14 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2017, 09:22:01 AM
How can you have a Timmies without donuts?
Better yet... How can you have any restaurant anywhere without coffee?
Easily. Coffee takes like crap to some of us. I can do without twigs and leaves..er..tea of any sort.
As a Diet Pepsi addict -- even for breakfast -- I can do without it too, but obviously that's a minority preference. Certainly I feel like an outlier when I go to a Tim's and don't order coffee.
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2017, 09:22:01 AM
How can you have a Timmies without donuts?
Out here in San Jose, donut shops are more common than Starbucks or Subways! Got a couple of local chains that do good stuff (Manley and Yum Yum) plus scores of independents. So not having Timmies' versions is not something to really kvetch about!
Quote from: oscar on February 27, 2017, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: Brandon on February 27, 2017, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 27, 2017, 05:00:14 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2017, 09:22:01 AM
How can you have a Timmies without donuts?
Better yet... How can you have any restaurant anywhere without coffee?
Easily. Coffee takes like crap to some of us. I can do without twigs and leaves..er..tea of any sort.
As a Diet Pepsi addict -- even for breakfast -- I can do without it too, but obviously that's a minority preference. Certainly I feel like an outlier when I go to a Tim's and don't order coffee.
I don't drink coffee either. Or, more precisely, I drink coffee maybe five times a year, and I make sure there's enough other stuff in it that it's more a hot coffee-flavored beverage than actual coffee.
But so many people live on coffee, I can't imagine running a restaurant without offering it on the menu. There have be a lot of people that would simply never return because they can't get coffee.
Quote from: kphoger on February 27, 2017, 09:19:09 PM
Quote from: oscar on February 27, 2017, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: Brandon on February 27, 2017, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 27, 2017, 05:00:14 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2017, 09:22:01 AM
How can you have a Timmies without donuts?
Better yet... How can you have any restaurant anywhere without coffee?
Easily. Coffee takes like crap to some of us. I can do without twigs and leaves..er..tea of any sort.
As a Diet Pepsi addict -- even for breakfast -- I can do without it too, but obviously that's a minority preference. Certainly I feel like an outlier when I go to a Tim's and don't order coffee.
I don't drink coffee either. Or, more precisely, I drink coffee maybe five times a year, and I make sure there's enough other stuff in it that it's more a hot coffee-flavored beverage than actual coffee.
But so many people live on coffee, I can't imagine running a restaurant without offering it on the menu. There have be a lot of people that would simply never return because they can't get coffee.
I have a Keurig in my office...for tea and hot chocolate. I can't stand coffee unless it's part of a flavored beverage (read: Frappuccino).
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Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2017, 09:22:01 AM
How can you have a Timmies without donuts?
Better yet... How can you have any restaurant anywhere without coffee?
Easily. Coffee takes like crap to some of us. I can do without twigs and leaves..er..tea of any sort.
As a Diet Pepsi addict -- even for breakfast -- I can do without it too, but obviously that's a minority preference. Certainly I feel like an outlier when I go to a Tim's and don't order coffee.
I don't drink coffee either. Or, more precisely, I drink coffee maybe five times a year, and I make sure there's enough other stuff in it that it's more a hot coffee-flavored beverage than actual coffee.
But so many people live on coffee, I can't imagine running a restaurant without offering it on the menu. There have be a lot of people that would simply never return because they can't get coffee.
I remember reading a story about the Veggie Whopper. BK rarely sells them, but they have them to be "veto-proof". If mom is looking for a place to take the kids and someone is a vegetarian, she can satisfy the burger and chicken eaters while the vegetarian family member still has an option.
Coffee...same thing. If a couple, family or group wants to go someplace and they don't serve coffee...even decaf...someone is bound to veto that place.
BTW...in reference to Keriugs...Buffalo Wild Wings has a Keriug at their bar. If you want a coffee drink, it's gonna be from a K-cup.
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Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2017, 09:22:01 AM
How can you have a Timmies without donuts?
Out here in San Jose, donut shops are more common than Starbucks or Subways! Got a couple of local chains that do good stuff (Manley and Yum Yum) plus scores of independents. So not having Timmies' versions is not something to really kvetch about!
Then what would draw you to Tim Horton's if they moved into your area? If the answer is "nothing," then it goes along with my point that the business may be hollowed out beyond viability.
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About the only place I've found that has decent bagel sandwiches is Noah's (all over CA) and Bruegger's (SoCal); their bagels are real boiled/baked types and their sandwich material is usually fresh. Brueggers near the Ontario mall was a regular lunch spot when I worked down there. Can be a tad pricey (especially if you get the lox)!
There are some Bruegger's in the D.C. area, one a short bus ride from me in Arlington. I'll have to try it out. Normally, it not having a drive-thru would be a problem, but not while I'm recovering from eye surgery and mostly hoofing it for a few more weeks.
I went there this morning. Not as pricey as I had feared. Decent product, including a better bagel thsn McD's. Still inconvenient for me when I'm mobile, but while I'm not I'll go back there.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2017, 10:58:19 PM
I remember reading a story about the Veggie Whopper. BK rarely sells them, but they have them to be "veto-proof". If mom is looking for a place to take the kids and someone is a vegetarian, she can satisfy the burger and chicken eaters while the vegetarian family member still has an option.
Sounds more like BK offering a vegetarian option so they can include it in their shareholders' corporate responsibility report.
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Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 27, 2017, 10:58:19 PM
I remember reading a story about the Veggie Whopper. BK rarely sells them, but they have them to be "veto-proof". If mom is looking for a place to take the kids and someone is a vegetarian, she can satisfy the burger and chicken eaters while the vegetarian family member still has an option.
Sounds more like BK offering a vegetarian option so they can include it in their shareholders' corporate responsibility report.
BK also has a more formal veggie burger option to in addition to the Veggie Whopper, which is just the same Morningstar Farms shit you can get out of your grocer's freezer. The veggie burger patty is just nuked whenever someone orders one.
I can't imagine that this will be too drastic in terms of how Popeyes' menu items might be altered.
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Quote from: Brandon on February 27, 2017, 05:07:24 PM
Quote from: kphoger on February 27, 2017, 05:00:14 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 25, 2017, 09:22:01 AM
How can you have a Timmies without donuts?
Better yet... How can you have any restaurant anywhere without coffee?
Easily. Coffee takes like crap to some of us. I can do without twigs and leaves..er..tea of any sort.
As a Diet Pepsi addict -- even for breakfast -- I can do without it too, but obviously that's a minority preference. Certainly I feel like an outlier when I go to a Tim's and don't order coffee.
I don't drink coffee either. Or, more precisely, I drink coffee maybe five times a year, and I make sure there's enough other stuff in it that it's more a hot coffee-flavored beverage than actual coffee.
But so many people live on coffee, I can't imagine running a restaurant without offering it on the menu. There have be a lot of people that would simply never return because they can't get coffee.
Coffee has a big profit margin too. Many people stop at convenience stores on the way to work. You will notice a lot of breakfast/ coffee places on the right side ( i would assume on the left in counties like Australia) of the road on major commuting routes
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Quote from: jwolfer on March 03, 2017, 03:35:52 PM
Coffee has a big profit margin too. Many people stop at convenience stores on the way to work. You will notice a lot of breakfast/ coffee places on the right side ( i would assume on the left in counties like Australia) of the road on major commuting routes
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Not just coffee -- but practically every beverage, particularly when dispensed at fountains. IIRC, a while back it was published that coffee has about a 80-85 point profit margin, while fountain soft drinks are in the low to mid 90's! Convenience stores maintain a similar profit level on canned or bottled beverages as well. It's somewhat lower for alcohol -- but much of that is due to taxation at all levels.
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Quote from: jwolfer on March 03, 2017, 03:35:52 PM
Coffee has a big profit margin too. Many people stop at convenience stores on the way to work. You will notice a lot of breakfast/ coffee places on the right side ( i would assume on the left in counties like Australia) of the road on major commuting routes
LGMS428
Not just coffee -- but practically every beverage, particularly when dispensed at fountains. IIRC, a while back it was published that coffee has about a 80-85 point profit margin, while fountain soft drinks are in the low to mid 90's! Convenience stores maintain a similar profit level on canned or bottled beverages as well. It's somewhat lower for alcohol -- but much of that is due to taxation at all levels.
The biggest cost is the cup
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