Are they illegal? I think they should be you infringing on private property out of respect for personal property I never do it.
No, they're not illegal. In fact, if you're doing it on the apron, then that's still public property of some kind, be it municipal, township, county, or state.
QuoteNo, they're not illegal.
If signed (and some of them here are), they're illegal.
QuoteIn fact, if you're doing it on the apron, then that's still public property of some kind, be it municipal, township, county, or state.
This may work in the Midwest, where there tends to be a bit more ROW to the local roads, but out here in the Northeast, that is not the case. There are few roads in New England where there is enough of a "public property apron" to do a proper turnaround.
Quote from: froggie on July 20, 2017, 04:33:25 PM
If signed (and some of them here are), they're illegal.
I've seen numerous signed "no turnarounds" on rural driveways, and invariably (or at least these are the ones that catch my eye) they're never well-done or tasteful signs but rather all caps scrawled in freehand on repurposed scrap flakeboard–with about five exclamation points.
Why are these people are so ticked off?
They are still private property. Someone did it on my driveway just as I was coming home I had the right to pull into my driver and no stranger should keep me from doing it. Sure waiting an extra minute may not seem a big deal but really that driver was on private property without consent. There is a culd du sac just up the road they should use that for turn arounds instead. I personally believe in respecting private property and always use a culd du sac to turn around it. Most neighborhoods have them they are not all that hard to find. Whether it;s the law or not I believe it's polite and respectful not to use them for turn arounds unless if your in a situation were there is no alternative but that wasn't the case with me.
Quote from: dvferyance on July 20, 2017, 09:26:25 PM
They are still private property.
The apron is
not private property. Anything from the far side of the sidewalk (house side) into the street is public property. It's the street's right-of-way. If you park on the apron, you can (and should) be ticketed (usually for blocking the sidewalk).
Heh, we passed a driveway along NY 9N during my meet that had a sign saying "U-Turns $1"
I don't see the big deal, as long as it is a paved driveway and you are in a standard sized vehicle. My mom lives on a dead end street (which is a private road so there is no ROW concern). It is not possible to leave the neighborhood w/o truning into someone's driveway.
Quote from: briantroutman on July 20, 2017, 04:53:09 PM
Quote from: froggie on July 20, 2017, 04:33:25 PM
If signed (and some of them here are), they're illegal.
I've seen numerous signed "no turnarounds" on rural driveways, and invariably (or at least these are the ones that catch my eye) they're never well-done or tasteful signs but rather all caps scrawled in freehand on repurposed scrap flakeboard–with about five exclamation points.
Why are these people are so ticked off?
If they get to the point of putting up a sign, chances are there's a nearby situation (business, park, street) that people often miss or make a wrong turn, and they need to find a place to make a U-turn.
The reason they'll be pissed is that their driveway is now blocked. Let's say the homeowner comes home, and can't pull into their own driveway due to said u-turner. The homeowner has to wait. In the meantime, the u-turning vehicle is getting pissed that the stopped vehicle isn't going by them on the street, unknowing (or caring) that it's simply the homeowner wanting to use his own driveway!
Quote from: froggie on July 20, 2017, 04:33:25 PM
QuoteNo, they're not illegal.
If signed (and some of them here are), they're illegal.
The signage doesn't legally prohibit a U-turn. And pulling into someone's driveway just for a moment to make a u-turn, even if you're technically on the property, really isn't trespassing. If you were to park the car in the driveway and walk away from it, then it's more of a trespassing situation.
I don't know if they are.
I live in a suburban neighborhood. Even with a 2 car width driveway, many vehicles are in such a hurry that they regularly run up on the lawn to the point that they leave ruts. The sad thing is there is a large circular area just 3 houses down that would make their u-turn so much easier.......
Back in my days as an auto claims adjuster, I had a claim in the state of Florida that dealt with this. My insured was backing up in his own driveway, and someone pulled into it just do a u-turn. They collided, about 15' into the driveway, and the friggin' cop actually gave a ticket to my insured backing up in his own driveway. I actually denied the guy filing the claim against my insured, and never heard a peep about it after the denial.
I agree it's mostly legal but I try to avoid doing this as a courtesy (the "what if the homeowner is trying to get in/out" described above, or the scenario of having him be doing something outside and getting glared at in response). My folks didn't seem to care much about turning around in people's driveways so I don't know where I got my reluctance to do so.
Last time I turned around in a driveway, I had the great luck of having the homeowner come home just as I was pulling out. Fortunately, nothing came of it, but just a case of if it had been 15 seconds later and the homeowner was in a certain spot, could have ended a lot differently.
Personally, I live on one side of a double driveway where my driveway and the house next door have driveways back to back. During a Fall festival, my street becomes a detour route, and many people who get lost and need to turn around conveniently try to use the driveway as a turnaround. One year, it just got to the point where my neighbors and I put our garbage cans across the bottom of the driveways to deter it.
A better question than "are they illegal?" is "can you realistically get in any sort of trouble for doing it?".
The answer to that is, solidly, no. It's not something a cop is going to ticket you for. Some property owners might not like it, but what are they going to do about it in the two seconds you're there? Yell at you to get lost? You're about to do that anyway.
I typically don't turn around unless I am entering a county for the sake of collecting it, and then turning around exiting the way I came -- or if I see a sign I want to photograph and need to turn around for it. I will use a private driveway if necessary.
Quote from: Duke87 on July 21, 2017, 07:55:45 PM
A better question than "are they illegal?" is "can you realistically get in any sort of trouble for doing it?".
The answer to that is, solidly, no. It's not something a cop is going to ticket you for. Some property owners might not like it, but what are they going to do about it in the two seconds you're there? Yell at you to get lost? You're about to do that anyway.
Heck, the cops in Fairfax County don't ticket people for parking across the sidewalk (example: parking one car behind another in a driveway that doesn't have enough space, so car #2 blocks the sidewalk or even sticks into the street). They'd never ticket people for turning around.
I don't really see what the big deal is. What annoys me far more is workmen who block other driveways to service one house–say, someone shows up to do plumbing work at one house and parks on the street (illegally in our case, as our street is all fire lanes) such that his truck blocks someone else's driveway. You shouldn't have to ask to be allowed out of your driveway.
I don't care, to be honest.
I grew up on a dirt road that dead-ended into the woods so if you wanted to turn around, you had to use one of the driveways in the neighborhood. I currently live on a one-way street so I might be alarmed if someone tried to turn around in my driveway.
I personally try to avoid it though because you never know how people are going to react and I don't want to cause trouble or alarm someone.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 22, 2017, 01:10:07 PM
I don't care, to be honest.
I grew up on a dirt road that dead-ended into the woods so if you wanted to turn around, you had to use one of the driveways in the neighborhood. I currently live on a one-way street so I might be alarmed if someone tried to turn around in my driveway.
I personally try to avoid it though because you never know how people are going to react and I don't want to cause trouble or alarm someone.
You mean like this?
https://www.local10.com/news/crime/hialeah-man-shoots-tires-of-utility-truck-after-workers-park-in-front-of-home-police-say
Quote from: rte66man on July 23, 2017, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 22, 2017, 01:10:07 PM
I don't care, to be honest.
I grew up on a dirt road that dead-ended into the woods so if you wanted to turn around, you had to use one of the driveways in the neighborhood. I currently live on a one-way street so I might be alarmed if someone tried to turn around in my driveway.
I personally try to avoid it though because you never know how people are going to react and I don't want to cause trouble or alarm someone.
You mean like this?
https://www.local10.com/news/crime/hialeah-man-shoots-tires-of-utility-truck-after-workers-park-in-front-of-home-police-say
That reminds me of when I used to have a job going door to door. I asked my boss where to park and was told, "just find a spot." I never felt quite right about finding random places to park in subdivisions with no designated street or public parking.
Quote from: rte66man on July 23, 2017, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 22, 2017, 01:10:07 PM
I don't care, to be honest.
I grew up on a dirt road that dead-ended into the woods so if you wanted to turn around, you had to use one of the driveways in the neighborhood. I currently live on a one-way street so I might be alarmed if someone tried to turn around in my driveway.
I personally try to avoid it though because you never know how people are going to react and I don't want to cause trouble or alarm someone.
You mean like this?
https://www.local10.com/news/crime/hialeah-man-shoots-tires-of-utility-truck-after-workers-park-in-front-of-home-police-say
So, if you're angry about someone parking in front of your house, you go ahead and make it impossible for them to leave. Yeah, that makes sense. :rolleyes:
Quote from: vdeane on July 23, 2017, 05:29:58 PM
Quote from: rte66man on July 23, 2017, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 22, 2017, 01:10:07 PM
I don't care, to be honest.
I grew up on a dirt road that dead-ended into the woods so if you wanted to turn around, you had to use one of the driveways in the neighborhood. I currently live on a one-way street so I might be alarmed if someone tried to turn around in my driveway.
I personally try to avoid it though because you never know how people are going to react and I don't want to cause trouble or alarm someone.
You mean like this?
https://www.local10.com/news/crime/hialeah-man-shoots-tires-of-utility-truck-after-workers-park-in-front-of-home-police-say
So, if you're angry about someone parking in front of your house, you go ahead and make it impossible for them to leave. Yeah, that makes sense. :rolleyes:
If you dont want people parking in front of your house and it really upsets you.. Move out to the country ...
I have never understood people getting upset. My ex wife would get mad if neighbors has a party and tgeir guests parked infront of us.
I grew up in a Jersey Shore summer resort.. People parking in front od the house happened all summer
LGMS428
Quote from: jwolfer on July 23, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 23, 2017, 05:29:58 PM
Quote from: rte66man on July 23, 2017, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 22, 2017, 01:10:07 PM
I don't care, to be honest.
I grew up on a dirt road that dead-ended into the woods so if you wanted to turn around, you had to use one of the driveways in the neighborhood. I currently live on a one-way street so I might be alarmed if someone tried to turn around in my driveway.
I personally try to avoid it though because you never know how people are going to react and I don't want to cause trouble or alarm someone.
You mean like this?
https://www.local10.com/news/crime/hialeah-man-shoots-tires-of-utility-truck-after-workers-park-in-front-of-home-police-say
So, if you're angry about someone parking in front of your house, you go ahead and make it impossible for them to leave. Yeah, that makes sense. :rolleyes:
If you dont want people parking in front of your house and it really upsets you.. Move out to the country ...
I have never understood people getting upset. My ex wife would get mad if neighbors has a party and tgeir guests parked infront of us.
I grew up in a Jersey Shore summer resort.. People parking in front od the house happened all summer
LGMS428
I too am in NJ, and never thought twice about parking next to someone's house. I was really surprised to learn that in towns surrounding Cleveland (and I think Cleveland itself) it is illegal to park in front of a residence, even if it's your own, overnight. I do that at home all the time.
Never understood why people think they own the section of public street in front of their house. Obviously a private development with its own road network is a different matter, but I can't think of any such places my way (have to get to medium/outer suburbs for that).
Quote from: bzakharin on July 24, 2017, 02:45:46 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on July 23, 2017, 05:42:44 PM
Quote from: vdeane on July 23, 2017, 05:29:58 PM
Quote from: rte66man on July 23, 2017, 04:03:47 PM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on July 22, 2017, 01:10:07 PM
I don't care, to be honest.
I grew up on a dirt road that dead-ended into the woods so if you wanted to turn around, you had to use one of the driveways in the neighborhood. I currently live on a one-way street so I might be alarmed if someone tried to turn around in my driveway.
I personally try to avoid it though because you never know how people are going to react and I don't want to cause trouble or alarm someone.
You mean like this?
https://www.local10.com/news/crime/hialeah-man-shoots-tires-of-utility-truck-after-workers-park-in-front-of-home-police-say
So, if you're angry about someone parking in front of your house, you go ahead and make it impossible for them to leave. Yeah, that makes sense. :rolleyes:
If you dont want people parking in front of your house and it really upsets you.. Move out to the country ...
I have never understood people getting upset. My ex wife would get mad if neighbors has a party and tgeir guests parked infront of us.
I grew up in a Jersey Shore summer resort.. People parking in front od the house happened all summer
LGMS428
I too am in NJ, and never thought twice about parking next to someone's house. I was really surprised to learn that in towns surrounding Cleveland (and I think Cleveland itself) it is illegal to park in front of a residence, even if it's your own, overnight. I do that at home all the time.
There are towns in NJ like that as well. Pitman and Glassboro don't allow any on-street parking between 2am & 6am. Woodbury has the same rule, although it's unenforced there.
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on July 24, 2017, 03:09:46 PM
Never understood why people think they own the section of public street in front of their house. Obviously a private development with its own road network is a different matter, but I can't think of any such places my way (have to get to medium/outer suburbs for that).
In Neptune Beach FL.. A Jacksonville suburb ...some homeowner called the police about us parking in front of the neighbors to go to the beach...
I told him i was on a public street and we could park there.. It was funny to have the cops come and confirm to him it is a public street and as long as driveways or traffic isnt blocked... Anyone can park there not matter if the home owner puts up no parking signs or other barriers.
That tool needs to move to a far exurb with acre plus lots.. No one wojld ever park in front of their house.
Just south of there in Ponte Vedra Beach(unincorporated St. Johns County) there are many public beach access paths.. But no parking..and adjacent homowners will plant thorny rose bushes or Spanish Bayonett plants to keep out the riff raff coming from "across the ditch"(local nickname for Intercoastal Waterway)
LGMS428
In Kitchener, ON, you can park on the street overnight (with some exceptions in the winter for snowplows). But in neighbouring Waterloo, you can only park on the street for 3 hours, and if you want to park overnight, you need to call the City for special permission (and you're limited to 9 times a year). That seems so ridiculous to me. My only parking ticket was in Waterloo, since I didn't know about the 3 hour rule (in Kitchener, there would be signs saying the time limit for parking, but Waterloo doesn't post them since 3 hours applies everywhere). The silver lining is that I was working for the City at the time, so it was a short walk from my desk to Parking Services to pay the ticket :-D
In regards to the thread topic, I don't need to do this often, but I've never thought it was a big deal. I don't care if people do this on my driveway as long as they're not driving some giant truck.
Heh. That reminds me of when I returned from a vacation at night with a concrete truck blocking my driveway, across my narrow sideyard and into my neighbor's property to pour a foundation over there.
Called the police. Got a lot of landscaping work out of the contractor as a result.
I try not to use private driveways to turn around, though I never really thought about why I don't. It's just a habit I've gotten into. I usually just go around the block if I am in a town, or use the next intersection if I am in a subdivision or in a rural area. It never bothered me if someone uses my driveway to turn around, as long as it's reasonably fast, or they don't cause damage.
As far as blocking, as long as I don't have to go anywhere, I understand if a utility or construction crew blocks my driveway. But I don't think I've ever had a case where I HAD to go somewhere and my driveway was blocked.
It's common practice where I live (in a rural area). My house is so far from the road that I rarely notice. I *did* have trouble leaving for work once when a cop decided to run a speed trap and parked his cruiser in my driveway facing the road, but he saw me and moved before I had to stop and get out. Our driveway is shared between two houses.
There's x number of feet from the road that is owned by the county or state. I don't know the value of x, but I don't think it's enough to accommodate a car. It's still public property. Most of the signs I've seen say something like "No truck turning" or "Not a truck turnaround," and are handmade, and usually in front of a church or some other such building rather than a private home. I don't see what the big deal is, really. I don't mind people turning around in my driveway.
Heck, I didn't mind people doing it when I lived in Massachusetts where driveways are much shorter. Although, my house was at the bottom curve of a "U"-shaped set of three streets -- by the time you got to my house, you could tell you could much more easily make a U-turn simply by continuing straight. So it was a far less common occurrence.
Quote from: jwolfer on July 24, 2017, 04:52:28 PM
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on July 24, 2017, 03:09:46 PM
Never understood why people think they own the section of public street in front of their house. Obviously a private development with its own road network is a different matter, but I can't think of any such places my way (have to get to medium/outer suburbs for that).
In Neptune Beach FL.. A Jacksonville suburb ...some homeowner called the police about us parking in front of the neighbors to go to the beach...
I told him i was on a public street and we could park there.. It was funny to have the cops come and confirm to him it is a public street and as long as driveways or traffic isnt blocked... Anyone can park there not matter if the home owner puts up no parking signs or other barriers.
That tool needs to move to a far exurb with acre plus lots.. No one wojld ever park in front of their house.
Just south of there in Ponte Vedra Beach(unincorporated St. Johns County) there are many public beach access paths.. But no parking..and adjacent homowners will plant thorny rose bushes or Spanish Bayonett plants to keep out the riff raff coming from "across the ditch"(local nickname for Intercoastal Waterway)
LGMS428
Sea Isle City, NJ was experiencing sorta the same issue. Well, some people decided to paint their curbs yellow. A friend of mine said that he talked to a cop many years ago, who said it was OK. And for a while, no one bothered with it. When it was becoming overwhelming with the amount of yellow paint (some were painting the entire curb in front of their house yellow) the city cracked down and told the homeowners to remove the paint or be charged with destruction of public property. My friend talked to the city and they told him the cop had no authority to tell him that it was OK (which was just a verbal thing, and I don't know if my friend even knew who the cop was).
Quote from: tckma on July 26, 2017, 11:07:31 AM
It's common practice where I live (in a rural area). My house is so far from the road that I rarely notice. I *did* have trouble leaving for work once when a cop decided to run a speed trap and parked his cruiser in my driveway facing the road, but he saw me and moved before I had to stop and get out. Our driveway is shared between two houses.
There's x number of feet from the road that is owned by the county or state. I don't know the value of x, but I don't think it's enough to accommodate a car. It's still public property. Most of the signs I've seen say something like "No truck turning" or "Not a truck turnaround," and are handmade, and usually in front of a church or some other such building rather than a private home. I don't see what the big deal is, really. I don't mind people turning around in my driveway.
Heck, I didn't mind people doing it when I lived in Massachusetts where driveways are much shorter. Although, my house was at the bottom curve of a "U"-shaped set of three streets -- by the time you got to my house, you could tell you could much more easily make a U-turn simply by continuing straight. So it was a far less common occurrence.
Truck, especially heavy, can be an issue from driveway loading strength perspective. Of course, when contractor comes in with all that heavy stuff to do some work for you its another story - driveways can handle that, but eventually need to be rebuilt ($$$)..
But I specifically like when churches post such "no turn around" signs.. You know, "love your neighbor" and all that stuff - now in true action.
I have a similar question. Is it illegal for someone to block your driveway while they are waiting at a stop sign/traffic light?
Quote from: tribar on July 26, 2017, 12:34:44 PM
I have a similar question. Is it illegal for someone to block your driveway while they are waiting at a stop sign/traffic light?
I think it is, although many times you have no choice if the driveway is located where the sensors are.
If it's several car lengths from the light, I've occasionally seen "DO NOT BLOCK DRIVEWAY/INTERSECTION" signs at the driveway. But it depends on the area. If you're in an area where there's lots of driveways, it's kinda hard to avoid. If there's only a single driveway many car lengths back from the intersection, then that really shouldn't be blocked. Also, if the intersection is controlled by a stop sign, generally traffic won't be stopped very long before the offending car moves. If there's a traffic light, then it could be a minute or two (or longer) before traffic moves again....and in that case, care should be given not to block the driveway.
Quote from: tribar on July 26, 2017, 12:34:44 PM
I have a similar question. Is it illegal for someone to block your driveway while they are waiting at a stop sign/traffic light?
At least in NY it is "do not block side
road". I don't think that extends to private driveways - and even business driveways with significant traffic.
Basic assumption is that intermittent blocking shouldn't delay you too much - and maybe 10 moves/day on a private driveway don't warrant any action. Of course things may be different during rush hour and/or for business driveway with lots of visitors (think retail). But then it becomes a matter of courtesy to let you in, and that usually works as far as I can tell.
Here's one example of such signage. https://goo.gl/maps/JT8jpDi7WaQ2 It appears they used an incorrectly worded sign (the intersection itself is never blocked; just the driveway to the post office) and just put a correctly worded signage below it. They also striped the road to further enforce such signage (which, as you see here, didn't work out too well. Since it's only a few car lengths back from the intersection and it's a heavily used driveway, they ask that you don't block it, since someone trying to turn left could easily back traffic up into the intersection.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 26, 2017, 01:21:12 PM
Here's one example of such signage. https://goo.gl/maps/JT8jpDi7WaQ2 It appears they used an incorrectly worded sign (the intersection itself is never blocked; just the driveway to the post office) and just put a correctly worded signage below it. They also striped the road to further enforce such signage (which, as you see here, didn't work out too well. Since it's only a few car lengths back from the intersection and it's a heavily used driveway, they ask that you don't block it, since someone trying to turn left could easily back traffic up into the intersection.
Still looks like there is no law behind this sign. NJ Rev Stat § 39:4-138(d) (2013) prohibits
parking In front of a public or private driveway; but I don't see anything about blocking driveway - or even blocking side
street by traffic..
Quote from: tribar on July 26, 2017, 12:34:44 PM
I have a similar question. Is it illegal for someone to block your driveway while they are waiting at a stop sign/traffic light?
In Idaho, no. It's only illegal to block public streets. Any driveway, residential or commercial is fine. It would be unrealistic to worry about that on streets with lots of driveways.
I'm at the end of a narrow, urban street that dead-ends without a cul-de-sac and the driveway I share with two other properties is the one used by most folks to turn around. I have no problem with it whatsoever.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 30, 2017, 06:59:04 PM
I'm at the end of a narrow, urban street that dead-ends without a cul-de-sac and the driveway I share with two other properties is the one used by most folks to turn around. I have no problem with it whatsoever.
I used to live at the end of a cul-de-sac, and watched people constantly drive up to within sight of said cul-de-sac, and yet turn in someone's driveway instead of proceeding to the cul-de-sac. I used to live in a really dumb city...
Quote from: kalvado on July 26, 2017, 01:34:47 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 26, 2017, 01:21:12 PM
Here's one example of such signage. https://goo.gl/maps/JT8jpDi7WaQ2 It appears they used an incorrectly worded sign (the intersection itself is never blocked; just the driveway to the post office) and just put a correctly worded signage below it. They also striped the road to further enforce such signage (which, as you see here, didn't work out too well. Since it's only a few car lengths back from the intersection and it's a heavily used driveway, they ask that you don't block it, since someone trying to turn left could easily back traffic up into the intersection.
Still looks like there is no law behind this sign. NJ Rev Stat § 39:4-138(d) (2013) prohibits parking In front of a public or private driveway; but I don't see anything about blocking driveway - or even blocking side street by traffic..
Is there no law requiring you to obey a regulatory sign?
Quote from: UCFKnights on August 12, 2017, 04:26:52 PM
Quote from: kalvado on July 26, 2017, 01:34:47 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 26, 2017, 01:21:12 PM
Here's one example of such signage. https://goo.gl/maps/JT8jpDi7WaQ2 It appears they used an incorrectly worded sign (the intersection itself is never blocked; just the driveway to the post office) and just put a correctly worded signage below it. They also striped the road to further enforce such signage (which, as you see here, didn't work out too well. Since it's only a few car lengths back from the intersection and it's a heavily used driveway, they ask that you don't block it, since someone trying to turn left could easily back traffic up into the intersection.
Still looks like there is no law behind this sign. NJ Rev Stat § 39:4-138(d) (2013) prohibits parking In front of a public or private driveway; but I don't see anything about blocking driveway - or even blocking side street by traffic..
Is there no law requiring you to obey a regulatory sign?
The law would be obstruction of traffic.
Quote from: UCFKnights on August 12, 2017, 04:26:52 PM
Quote from: kalvado on July 26, 2017, 01:34:47 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on July 26, 2017, 01:21:12 PM
Here's one example of such signage. https://goo.gl/maps/JT8jpDi7WaQ2 It appears they used an incorrectly worded sign (the intersection itself is never blocked; just the driveway to the post office) and just put a correctly worded signage below it. They also striped the road to further enforce such signage (which, as you see here, didn't work out too well. Since it's only a few car lengths back from the intersection and it's a heavily used driveway, they ask that you don't block it, since someone trying to turn left could easily back traffic up into the intersection.
Still looks like there is no law behind this sign. NJ Rev Stat § 39:4-138(d) (2013) prohibits parking In front of a public or private driveway; but I don't see anything about blocking driveway - or even blocking side street by traffic..
Is there no law requiring you to obey a regulatory sign?
Legally installed regulatory sign. I don't see how DOT (or equivalent agency) can install sign without underlying law.
Trespassing requires entering AND remaining. Someone turning around in a driveway is in no way trespassing.
Also, unless it's legally posted and signed, trespassing rules only apply if you're asked to leave and refuse. If you pull into someone's driveway and they ask you to leave, and you back out to turn around like you originally intended to, you're also fine.
If weird people really don't want people to turn around in their driveway, they can put up a gate.
I think I've been questioned once. "I missed my turn"
SM-G930V
Quote from: realjd on August 12, 2017, 10:15:18 PM
Trespassing requires entering AND remaining. Someone turning around in a driveway is in no way trespassing.
Also, unless it's legally posted and signed, trespassing rules only apply if you're asked to leave and refuse. If you pull into someone's driveway and they ask you to leave, and you back out to turn around like you originally intended to, you're also fine.
If weird people really don't want people to turn around in their driveway, they can put up a gate.
In many cases pulling in a driveway and backing out one would not even exit the ROW of the street.. So no grounds to say trespassing
LGMS428