I saw a post in another thread about how very few freeways are dangerous to travel solely due to crime. What would be some of the few exceptions? I'm mainly referring to US freeways but feel free to post non US ones as well.
Any Chicago freeway, people will randomly shoot at you. Not even joking, there's probably a story about it once a week and could happen at any time.
The Eisenhower and Dan Ryan seem to be the worst.
I seem to recall 25 or 30 years ago AAA warned people to avoid I-295 in Florida after a string of incidents involving rocks being thrown at cars from overpasses.
There was a period in the late 1980s when what is now DC-295 had a bad reputation because of someone shooting at motorists from the side of the road.
There have been a few shootings on I-95 in Richmond this year as well. Sickening
I-10 in Phoenix had an issue with a sniper a couple years back shooting at people from overpasses.
Springfield, MA had a problem with kids throwing rocks or shooting at I-91 about 15 years ago. Springfield is still a pit.
Route 168 in Virginia Beach looks like one. I just got off the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel and was trying to follow U.S. 60 to I-64, and I ended up on 168 for some reason and I didn't like it.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 04, 2017, 01:45:41 PM
I seem to recall 25 or 30 years ago AAA warned people to avoid I-295 in Florida after a string of incidents involving rocks being thrown at cars from overpasses.
There was a period in the late 1980s when what is now DC-295 had a bad reputation because of someone shooting at motorists from the side of the road.
Yes it was i295.. The West Beltway but back then there was no East Beltway.
There was a problem with kids throwing stuff off overpasses onto cars..
One guy crashed off the road into to a swampy wooded area adjacent to the road.. They found his car and remains something like 12 years later when doing road construction
LGMS428
Quote from: ET21 on August 04, 2017, 12:39:45 PM
Any Chicago freeway, people will randomly shoot at you. Not even joking, there's probably a story about it once a week and could happen at any time.
Why haven't I heard about this?
Quote from: epzik8 on August 04, 2017, 05:38:37 PM
Route 168 in Virginia Beach looks like one. I just got off the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel and was trying to follow U.S. 60 to I-64, and I ended up on 168 for some reason and I didn't like it.
That doesn't make it dangerous to drive down. It may be a bad or sketchy part of town but you're not going to have problems driving down a major highway.
Quote from: Rothman on August 04, 2017, 03:51:12 PM
Springfield, MA had a problem with kids throwing rocks or shooting at I-91 about 15 years ago. Springfield is still a pit.
I have an aunt and uncle there, for some reason they don't mind that place.
Maybe the 407 if you consider the high toll rates a crime! :bigass:
Or how about Circle Drive in Saskatoon with a 90 km/h limit and photo enforcement, I consider that a crime :-D
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 04, 2017, 08:59:05 PM
Quote from: ET21 on August 04, 2017, 12:39:45 PM
Any Chicago freeway, people will randomly shoot at you. Not even joking, there's probably a story about it once a week and could happen at any time.
Why haven't I heard about this?
Because you're in Boston, I wouldn't expect you to know?
I-580 , I-880, I-80 in the Bay Area been mentioned for having crimes on freeways at some point.
All Los Angeles Freeway been mentioned at some point for having crimes due to car chases in the area.
Quote from: bing101 on August 05, 2017, 12:36:17 PM
I-580 , I-880, I-80 in the Bay Area been mentioned for having crimes on freeways at some point.
The East Bay has had more than its share of incidents -- mostly car-to-car shootings -- in the past couple of years; I-80 from Richmond up to the CA 4 interchange seems to crop up as a site for this repeatedly, as does CA 4 itself along the stretch through Pittsburg and Antioch in Contra Costa County. Also, I-880 near the Oakland Coliseum "hosted" several incidents of what could best be described as "coordinated road rage" where either drivers or motorcycle riders would harangue other drivers on that freeway. They had enough sense (or planning) to dissipate before Oakland police or the CHP could arrive on the scene.
Every time I go home, my parents implore me NOT to drive into Chicago at night -- especially on the Ryan or the Ike -- for fear of getting shot. Then again, as a journalist, I've driven my share of dangerous streets around the nation over the years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAgkG-IYI1I
Los Angeles of course they always get named for having dangerous freeways in the nation because of this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UetBvuAvzGo
Quote from: NE2 on August 05, 2017, 12:34:47 AM
Any black neighborhood. Because black people are criminals.
I thought freeways were supposed to have eradicated those neighborhoods. :bigass:
I think that any freeway's danger level for crime is a transient situation. I learned about it all too well where I grew up. My first elementary school I went to in town was renamed for a teacher who died after someone lobbed a boulder off an overpass onto her passing vehicle on I-93 in Andover. This was early 80's. Things like that are why you've got those large fences on almost every overpass.
Quote from: SectorZ on August 06, 2017, 06:21:13 PM
I think that any freeway's danger level for crime is a transient situation. I learned about it all too well where I grew up. My first elementary school I went to in town was renamed for a teacher who died after someone lobbed a boulder off an overpass onto her passing vehicle on I-93 in Andover. This was early 80's. Things like that are why you've got those large fences on almost every overpass.
I think the fences are more to discourage people from falling or jumping off the bridges, although they do serve that purpose.
Quote from: sparker on August 05, 2017, 02:25:02 PM
Also, I-880 near the Oakland Coliseum "hosted" several incidents of what could best be described as "coordinated road rage" where either drivers or motorcycle riders would harangue other drivers on that freeway. They had enough sense (or planning) to dissipate before Oakland police or the CHP could arrive on the scene.
I haven't heard of the "coordinated road rage" on I-880 near the Oakland Coliseum but I have seen several incidents of "sideshows" where a large group will shut down all lanes of traffic so some morons can spin their tires and do doughnuts in the middle of the freeway.
Quote from: roadguy2 on August 06, 2017, 06:30:03 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on August 06, 2017, 06:21:13 PM
I think that any freeway's danger level for crime is a transient situation. I learned about it all too well where I grew up. My first elementary school I went to in town was renamed for a teacher who died after someone lobbed a boulder off an overpass onto her passing vehicle on I-93 in Andover. This was early 80's. Things like that are why you've got those large fences on almost every overpass.
I think the fences are more to discourage people from falling or jumping off the bridges, although they do serve that purpose.
Although I was very young when it happened, I know in Massachusetts the impetus for putting fencing up was to protect against missiles being rained down on passing vehicles. Then again jumpers can qualify as such. Maybe the ideals behind them vary from state to state.
Quote from: roadguy2 on August 06, 2017, 06:30:03 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on August 06, 2017, 06:21:13 PM
I think that any freeway's danger level for crime is a transient situation. I learned about it all too well where I grew up. My first elementary school I went to in town was renamed for a teacher who died after someone lobbed a boulder off an overpass onto her passing vehicle on I-93 in Andover. This was early 80's. Things like that are why you've got those large fences on almost every overpass.
I think the fences are more to discourage people from falling or jumping off the bridges, although they do serve that purpose.
The DOT vernacular in most states for those is "anti-missile fences". And, yes, they were adopted to prevent idiots from dropping objects onto the road, not to discourage people from jumping off the bridges.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 04, 2017, 08:59:05 PM
Quote from: ET21 on August 04, 2017, 12:39:45 PM
Any Chicago freeway, people will randomly shoot at you. Not even joking, there's probably a story about it once a week and could happen at any time.
Why haven't I heard about this?
Some reading material that might help:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-2-wounded-in-dan-ryan-expressway-shooting-20170721-story.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-car-damaged-after-shots-fired-on-dan-ryan-expressway-20170714-story.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-state-police-2-shot-on-eisenhower-expressway-near-laramie-20160929-story.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/oak-park/news/ct-oak-eisenhower-shooting-tl-1028-20161028-story.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/daily-southtown/news/ct-sta-expressway-shooting-arrest-st-0511-20170510-story.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-rauner-state-troopers-chicago-expressway-shootings-20170214-story.html
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-expressway-shootings-met-20160520-story.html
Quote from: myosh_tino on August 07, 2017, 02:25:43 AM
Quote from: sparker on August 05, 2017, 02:25:02 PM
Also, I-880 near the Oakland Coliseum "hosted" several incidents of what could best be described as "coordinated road rage" where either drivers or motorcycle riders would harangue other drivers on that freeway. They had enough sense (or planning) to dissipate before Oakland police or the CHP could arrive on the scene.
I haven't heard of the "coordinated road rage" on I-880 near the Oakland Coliseum but I have seen several incidents of "sideshows" where a large group will shut down all lanes of traffic so some morons can spin their tires and do doughnuts in the middle of the freeway.
Stanley Roberts (YouTube channel "tvman1981") has done a lot of videos about those.
I-270 in Columbus was dangerous like 12 years ago. No idea what it is now.
IN 912, or Cline Avenue as it's also known, had some incidents a few years ago, collapsing bridge notwithstanding.
(the collapsing bridge bit is hyperbole on my part)
Quote from: inkyatari on August 08, 2017, 10:31:50 AM
IN 912, or Cline Avenue as it's also known, had some incidents a few years ago, collapsing bridge notwithstanding.
(the collapsing bridge bit is hyperbole on my part)
Well, there was the couple that drove off the end of it after the demolition.
I'm so glad I moved out of Chicago, because every freeway...ahem, expressway...has seen at least one shooting every few weeks.
Quote from: Brandon on August 08, 2017, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: inkyatari on August 08, 2017, 10:31:50 AM
IN 912, or Cline Avenue as it's also known, had some incidents a few years ago, collapsing bridge notwithstanding.
(the collapsing bridge bit is hyperbole on my part)
Well, there was the couple that drove off the end of it after the demolition.
A couple years ago, weren't there shootings from the overpasses, and they never caught the perps?
Theoretically, wouldn't any freeway with an overabundance of speeders be considered "dangerous" due to "crime"?
Sadly, there aren't a whole lot of freeways in my Philly area where one can speed very effectively. An exception perhaps is the Northeast Extension of the PA Turnpike (I-476)
Quote from: Chris19001 on August 08, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
Theoretically, wouldn't any freeway with an overabundance of speeders be considered "dangerous" due to "crime"?
No. Except for limited circumstances (i.e. exceeding the speed limit by more than a set amount), speeding is a civil offense, not a criminal one.
Quote from: Chris19001 on August 08, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
Theoretically, wouldn't any freeway with an overabundance of speeders be considered "dangerous" due to "crime"?
No. Made up "crimes" aren't really crimes.
Quote from: Chris19001 on August 08, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
Theoretically, wouldn't any freeway with an overabundance of speeders be considered "dangerous" due to "crime"?
Sadly, there aren't a whole lot of freeways in my Philly area where one can speed very effectively. An exception perhaps is the Northeast Extension of the PA Turnpike (I-476)
I was referring to violent crime when I made this thread. Speeding isn't a crime except in extreme circumstances.
Quote from: tribar on August 08, 2017, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: Chris19001 on August 08, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
Theoretically, wouldn't any freeway with an overabundance of speeders be considered "dangerous" due to "crime"?
Sadly, there aren't a whole lot of freeways in my Philly area where one can speed very effectively. An exception perhaps is the Northeast Extension of the PA Turnpike (I-476)
I was referring to violent crime when I made this thread. Speeding isn't a crime except in extreme circumstances.
Or in Virginia if you go 11 mph over the speed limit in a 70-mph zone.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 08, 2017, 08:43:13 PM
Quote from: tribar on August 08, 2017, 01:46:57 PM
Quote from: Chris19001 on August 08, 2017, 12:40:49 PM
Theoretically, wouldn't any freeway with an overabundance of speeders be considered "dangerous" due to "crime"?
Sadly, there aren't a whole lot of freeways in my Philly area where one can speed very effectively. An exception perhaps is the Northeast Extension of the PA Turnpike (I-476)
I was referring to violent crime when I made this thread. Speeding isn't a crime except in extreme circumstances.
Or in Virginia if you go 11 mph over the speed limit in a 70-mph zone.
I think rekless driving should be 85 at mininum.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 08, 2017, 09:12:52 PM
I think rekless driving should be 85 at mininum.
Reckless driving shouldn't be just about speed.
There are places and/or times where 85 can be perfectly safe
There are places and/or times when 65, 70, 75 can be reckless
Just depends how much weaving, tailgating, etc is being done
Reckless Driving should be more a combination of Speed + Driving Behavior + Conditions, IMHO
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 08, 2017, 09:49:39 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 08, 2017, 09:12:52 PM
I think rekless driving should be 85 at mininum.
Reckless driving shouldn't be just about speed.
There are places and/or times where 85 can be perfectly safe
There are places and/or times when 65, 70, 75 can be reckless
Just depends how much weaving, tailgating, etc is being done
Reckless Driving should be more a combination of Speed + Driving Behavior + Conditions, IMHO
If you're driving in a severe blizzard, even 20 mph can be reckless. But under ideal conditions and light traffic, reckless driving really should be much higher than 80, especially since some western states have rural limits of 80.
In states like this, I would say an absolute reckless driving speed should be something more like 90-100 mph.
Quote from: roadguy2 on August 08, 2017, 10:53:21 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 08, 2017, 09:49:39 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 08, 2017, 09:12:52 PM
I think rekless driving should be 85 at mininum.
Reckless driving shouldn't be just about speed.
There are places and/or times where 85 can be perfectly safe
There are places and/or times when 65, 70, 75 can be reckless
Just depends how much weaving, tailgating, etc is being done
Reckless Driving should be more a combination of Speed + Driving Behavior + Conditions, IMHO
If you're driving in a severe blizzard, even 20 mph can be reckless. But under ideal conditions and light traffic, reckless driving really should be much higher than 80, especially since some western states have rural limits of 80.
In states like this, I would say an absolute reckless driving speed should be something more like 90-100 mph.
85 in east us, 95 in west us would work.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 08, 2017, 10:57:37 PM
Quote from: roadguy2 on August 08, 2017, 10:53:21 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 08, 2017, 09:49:39 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 08, 2017, 09:12:52 PM
I think rekless driving should be 85 at mininum.
Reckless driving shouldn't be just about speed.
There are places and/or times where 85 can be perfectly safe
There are places and/or times when 65, 70, 75 can be reckless
Just depends how much weaving, tailgating, etc is being done
Reckless Driving should be more a combination of Speed + Driving Behavior + Conditions, IMHO
If you're driving in a severe blizzard, even 20 mph can be reckless. But under ideal conditions and light traffic, reckless driving really should be much higher than 80, especially since some western states have rural limits of 80.
In states like this, I would say an absolute reckless driving speed should be something more like 90-100 mph.
85 in east us, 95 in west us would work.
No it would not. Reckless driving cannot just be some random, one size fits all speed. It has to be a certain amount over whatever the limit is plus conditions and behavior.
There was a shooting on the Bishop Ford Expressway in Chicago today.
Quote from: tribar on August 08, 2017, 11:46:22 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 08, 2017, 10:57:37 PM
Quote from: roadguy2 on August 08, 2017, 10:53:21 PM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 08, 2017, 09:49:39 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on August 08, 2017, 09:12:52 PM
I think rekless driving should be 85 at mininum.
Reckless driving shouldn't be just about speed.
There are places and/or times where 85 can be perfectly safe
There are places and/or times when 65, 70, 75 can be reckless
Just depends how much weaving, tailgating, etc is being done
Reckless Driving should be more a combination of Speed + Driving Behavior + Conditions, IMHO
If you're driving in a severe blizzard, even 20 mph can be reckless. But under ideal conditions and light traffic, reckless driving really should be much higher than 80, especially since some western states have rural limits of 80.
In states like this, I would say an absolute reckless driving speed should be something more like 90-100 mph.
85 in east us, 95 in west us would work.
No it would not. Reckless driving cannot just be some random, one size fits all speed. It has to be a certain amount over whatever the limit is plus conditions and behavior.
Of course it would varie, those are just guidelines.
Quote from: 02 Park Ave on August 08, 2017, 11:58:19 PM
There was a shooting on the Bishop Ford Expressway in Chicago today.
Not celebrating the shooting...thats awful
That being said, the Bishop Ford is the one Chicago Area Expressway/Freeway that is actually official referred to as the "Bishop Ford Freeway" as opposed to the "Bishop Ford Expressway." Why that is? I have no idea
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 09, 2017, 01:11:33 AM
Quote from: 02 Park Ave on August 08, 2017, 11:58:19 PM
There was a shooting on the Bishop Ford Expressway in Chicago today.
Not celebrating the shooting...thats awful
That being said, the Bishop Ford is the one Chicago Area Expressway/Freeway that is actually official referred to as the "Bishop Ford Freeway" as opposed to the "Bishop Ford Expressway." Why that is? I have no idea
My guess is it would have to do with design standards. Some states don't differentiate between "freeway" and "expressway," some do. Typically, the latter would have lesser design standards (such as allowing a limited-number of at-grade intersections).
Quote from: Quillz on August 09, 2017, 02:12:47 AM
Quote from: ilpt4u on August 09, 2017, 01:11:33 AM
Quote from: 02 Park Ave on August 08, 2017, 11:58:19 PM
There was a shooting on the Bishop Ford Expressway in Chicago today.
Not celebrating the shooting...thats awful
That being said, the Bishop Ford is the one Chicago Area Expressway/Freeway that is actually official referred to as the "Bishop Ford Freeway" as opposed to the "Bishop Ford Expressway." Why that is? I have no idea
My guess is it would have to do with design standards. Some states don't differentiate between "freeway" and "expressway," some do. Typically, the latter would have lesser design standards (such as allowing a limited-number of at-grade intersections).
Not in this case. For years that stretch of road was called the Calumet Expressway, then they changed it to the Bishop Ford Freeway. Nothing changed except the name.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVYfiO4FOZs
Well if you're wondering how Los Angeles became the place for dangerous crimes on freeways you would want to go back to this!
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2017/08/10/o-j-simpson-former-agent-try-sell-white-bronco-pawn-stars/555106001/
The vehicle that make people think about crimes on Los Angeles freeways is going to be auctioned on Pawn Stars. Yes its the OJ Simpson Bronco.
https://www.alcatrazeast.com/inside-alcatraz-east/artifacts/oj-simpson-bronco/
Update
Actually you're quite isolated on depressed sections of urban expressway. Think about it, the only way out is up a ramp if there's one nearby.
In the 1980s if you broke down on I-95 in the Bronx or were stuck in traffic jams what is to stop someone from robbing you or worse? You can't drive a way. People would come down the ramps to do that. Nowadays they beg for money.
I walked the I-170 stub in Baltimore when it was closed a couple years back to get photos. I felt sort of trapped, what if someone was also in there and saw me and wanted to commit a crime of opportunity against me? I really had nowhere to go except run the length of the 2 mile long stub.
I-10 in El Paso is directly across the river from some sketchy looking shanty towns in Juarez, Mexico. There was quite a bit of gun violence over there several years back, to the point that there were news reports of a stray bullet striking El Paso City Hall, along with one striking a mother in the leg on the US side. I'm not aware of any vehicles on the freeway being affected, though it's still pretty scary to think about.
And yet again: Police investigating report of shots fired on Stevenson Expressway (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-violence-shootings-shots-fired-stevenson-20170812-story.html).
QuoteAbout 1:55 a.m. Saturday, Illinois State Police received reports of shots fired on the northbound lanes of the Stevenson Expressway. At least two vehicles were damaged by the gunshots, but no one was reported injured, state police said.
The northbound lanes remained closed Saturday morning as troopers canvassed the road for evidence.
In the '80s and '90s there was a significant number of freeway shootings in the LA area. Many were road-rage related but some may have been gang-land violence. It does seem that Chicago is much worse now.
By in large, though, I always felt a lot safer on the freeways than on certain surface streets. Carjacking was quite common in LA and occurred at red lights - which don't exist on freeways.
I lived near Santa Monica / La Brea in those days and as a rule I tended to drive a bit out of my way to avoid rougher neighborhoods at night. From the 101, I would be sure to get off somewhere in Hollywood - between Highland and Sunset, but never Santa Monica/Western or Melrose/Normandie, even if those were closer. Similarly, I would avoid taking any exit on the Santa Monica Fwy between La Cienega and the 110, going out of my way even though taking the La Brea exit would likely be shorter. And of course, attending a sporting event at the Forum or the Coliseum area meant following the hordes to the shortest path to a freeway and not taking surface streets, even though it would be quicker.
Quote from: ET21 on August 04, 2017, 12:39:45 PM
Any Chicago freeway, people will randomly shoot at you. Not even joking, there's probably a story about it once a week and could happen at any time.
Shit I didn't know Chicago was that bad!
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 20, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: ET21 on August 04, 2017, 12:39:45 PM
Any Chicago freeway, people will randomly shoot at you. Not even joking, there's probably a story about it once a week and could happen at any time.
Shit I didn't know Chicago was that bad!
It's not.
Quote from: upstatenyroads on September 20, 2017, 10:54:59 PM
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 20, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
Quote from: ET21 on August 04, 2017, 12:39:45 PM
Any Chicago freeway, people will randomly shoot at you. Not even joking, there's probably a story about it once a week and could happen at any time.
Shit I didn't know Chicago was that bad!
It's not.
It's perception. As my broadcasting professor once said "Your perception is your reality." (The answer was in response to my comment that a local radio station "seems to play "Casey JOnes" by the Grateful Dead every day at 2:30 PM)
Yah, I agree, it can't be that bad.
Random question, is it a thing for Midwesterners who don't live in Chicago to hate Chicago?
Quote from: silverback1065 on September 21, 2017, 09:13:45 AM
Yah, I agree, it can't be that bad.
Random question, is it a thing for Midwesterners who don't live in Chicago to hate Chicago?
Yes.
I'm pretty sure Detroit has this problem too.
:-D I'm from and still live in Indianapolis, and have always hated Chicago, I like Detroit, only because I like their sports teams.
Quote from: Henry on September 21, 2017, 09:28:54 AM
I'm pretty sure Detroit has this problem too.
Not really. I've been all over Detroit for the past almost 40 years and have never had a problem on any of the expressways.
Most of the Chicago expressway shootings are not random. They are either thug on thug gang crap or thug on thug on road rage incidents. Of course you could still be hit because most thugs can't shot straight.
Most of Chicago's crime is spread across about 20 neighborhoods on the South and West sides. Like Englewood, West Englewood, Greater Grand Crossing, Roseland, Auburn-Gresham, West Garfield Park, East Garfield Park, Austin, Humboldt Park, Marquette Park, South Shore, there's 11 of them.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 21, 2017, 05:30:28 PM
Most of Chicago's crime is spread across about 20 neighborhoods on the South and West sides. Like Englewood, West Englewood, Greater Grand Crossing, Roseland, Auburn-Gresham, West Garfield Park, East Garfield Park, Austin, Humboldt Park, Marquette Park, South Shore, there's 11 of them.
43% within these boxes.
http://www.politifact.com/illinois/statements/2017/feb/23/richard-durbin/Durbin-right-about-geography-of-Chicago-violence/
(note: the claim is rated True; also, no paywall)
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 21, 2017, 05:30:28 PM
Most of Chicago's crime is spread across about 20 neighborhoods on the South and West sides. Like Englewood, West Englewood, Greater Grand Crossing, Roseland, Auburn-Gresham, West Garfield Park, East Garfield Park, Austin, Humboldt Park, Marquette Park, South Shore, there's 11 of them.
I'd swap out South Shore for Fuller Park.
Had another one last week during rush hour. Person shot at 75th on I/90/94, shut the entire freeway down. Traffic backed up on I-94 and I-57 all the way to the Tri-State
Quote from: sparker on August 05, 2017, 02:25:02 PM
Quote from: bing101 on August 05, 2017, 12:36:17 PM
I-580 , I-880, I-80 in the Bay Area been mentioned for having crimes on freeways at some point.
The East Bay has had more than its share of incidents -- mostly car-to-car shootings -- in the past couple of years; I-80 from Richmond up to the CA 4 interchange seems to crop up as a site for this repeatedly, as does CA 4 itself along the stretch through Pittsburg and Antioch in Contra Costa County. Also, I-880 near the Oakland Coliseum "hosted" several incidents of what could best be described as "coordinated road rage" where either drivers or motorcycle riders would harangue other drivers on that freeway. They had enough sense (or planning) to dissipate before Oakland police or the CHP could arrive on the scene.
I-980 and the west end of CA-24 has been mentioned for having crimes at some point though.
Quote from: bing101 on September 22, 2017, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: sparker on August 05, 2017, 02:25:02 PM
Quote from: bing101 on August 05, 2017, 12:36:17 PM
I-580 , I-880, I-80 in the Bay Area been mentioned for having crimes on freeways at some point.
The East Bay has had more than its share of incidents -- mostly car-to-car shootings -- in the past couple of years; I-80 from Richmond up to the CA 4 interchange seems to crop up as a site for this repeatedly, as does CA 4 itself along the stretch through Pittsburg and Antioch in Contra Costa County. Also, I-880 near the Oakland Coliseum "hosted" several incidents of what could best be described as "coordinated road rage" where either drivers or motorcycle riders would harangue other drivers on that freeway. They had enough sense (or planning) to dissipate before Oakland police or the CHP could arrive on the scene.
I-980 and the west end of CA-24 has been mentioned for having crimes at some point though.
Yeah, about 10 years ago I was approaching the Bay Bridge when I remembered I didn't have enough cash to pay the toll, so I looped back and got off at some west Oakland exit to look for an ATM. When I stopped, a guy "asked" me for $20 in such a way that I was convinced giving it to him would be a wiser move than turning him down, especially with a child in my car.
Quote from: kkt on September 22, 2017, 04:36:00 PM
Quote from: bing101 on September 22, 2017, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: sparker on August 05, 2017, 02:25:02 PM
Quote from: bing101 on August 05, 2017, 12:36:17 PM
I-580 , I-880, I-80 in the Bay Area been mentioned for having crimes on freeways at some point.
The East Bay has had more than its share of incidents -- mostly car-to-car shootings -- in the past couple of years; I-80 from Richmond up to the CA 4 interchange seems to crop up as a site for this repeatedly, as does CA 4 itself along the stretch through Pittsburg and Antioch in Contra Costa County. Also, I-880 near the Oakland Coliseum "hosted" several incidents of what could best be described as "coordinated road rage" where either drivers or motorcycle riders would harangue other drivers on that freeway. They had enough sense (or planning) to dissipate before Oakland police or the CHP could arrive on the scene.
I-980 and the west end of CA-24 has been mentioned for having crimes at some point though.
Yeah, about 10 years ago I was approaching the Bay Bridge when I remembered I didn't have enough cash to pay the toll, so I looped back and got off at some west Oakland exit to look for an ATM. When I stopped, a guy "asked" me for $20 in such a way that I was convinced giving it to him would be a wiser move than turning him down, especially with a child in my car.
Chicago had something similar happen from time to time. People would walk up to cars stopped at a signal, and then ask for $20. If the person didn't comply, then they'd get mugged.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on September 21, 2017, 05:30:28 PM
Most of Chicago's crime is spread across about 20 neighborhoods on the South and West sides. Like Englewood, West Englewood, Greater Grand Crossing, Roseland, Auburn-Gresham, West Garfield Park, East Garfield Park, Austin, Humboldt Park, Marquette Park, South Shore, there's 11 of them.
I'd swap out South Shore for Fuller Park.
Fuller Park is indeed one I forgot. That is perhaps the most depressing neighborhood I have seen in all of Chicago in the years I've been in Chicago. I'd say it either comes very close or surpasses Englewood there's just not as many people in Fuller Park.
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Quote from: tribar on September 21, 2017, 05:43:40 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 21, 2017, 05:30:28 PM
Most of Chicago's crime is spread across about 20 neighborhoods on the South and West sides. Like Englewood, West Englewood, Greater Grand Crossing, Roseland, Auburn-Gresham, West Garfield Park, East Garfield Park, Austin, Humboldt Park, Marquette Park, South Shore, there's 11 of them.
I'd swap out South Shore for Fuller Park.
Fuller Park is indeed one I forgot. That is perhaps the most depressing neighborhood I have seen in all of Chicago in the years I've been in Chicago. I'd say it either comes very close or surpasses Englewood there's just not as many people in Fuller Park.
I think I read somewhere that Fuller Park's murder per capita is significantly higher than any other Chicago neighborhood but that could be wrong.
Quote from: tribar on September 23, 2017, 12:47:49 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 23, 2017, 12:31:55 PM
Quote from: tribar on September 21, 2017, 05:43:40 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 21, 2017, 05:30:28 PM
Most of Chicago's crime is spread across about 20 neighborhoods on the South and West sides. Like Englewood, West Englewood, Greater Grand Crossing, Roseland, Auburn-Gresham, West Garfield Park, East Garfield Park, Austin, Humboldt Park, Marquette Park, South Shore, there's 11 of them.
I'd swap out South Shore for Fuller Park.
Fuller Park is indeed one I forgot. That is perhaps the most depressing neighborhood I have seen in all of Chicago in the years I've been in Chicago. I'd say it either comes very close or surpasses Englewood there's just not as many people in Fuller Park.
I think I read somewhere that Fuller Park's murder per capita is significantly higher than any other Chicago neighborhood but that could be wrong.
That's believable. What about that little Triangle down there between 87th, 95th, Cottage Grove and Stony Island? I'm trying to remember the name of the neighborhood I think it's Burnside.
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/09/27/police-chase-shuts-down-westbound-highway-80-heading-to-bay-bridge/
I-80 in Emeryville is dangerous due to a police shooting on the freeway after a wild pursuit in the Bay Area.
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There was a shooting on the Bishop Ford Expressway in Chicago today.
Not celebrating the shooting...thats awful
That being said, the Bishop Ford is the one Chicago Area Expressway/Freeway that is actually official referred to as the "Bishop Ford Freeway" as opposed to the "Bishop Ford Expressway." Why that is? I have no idea
My guess is it would have to do with design standards. Some states don't differentiate between "freeway" and "expressway," some do. Typically, the latter would have lesser design standards (such as allowing a limited-number of at-grade intersections).
Not in this case. For years that stretch of road was called the Calumet Expressway, then they changed it to the Bishop Ford Freeway. Nothing changed except the name.
Then it is probably that the state's DOT does not have any legal difference between "expressway" and "freeway" and just uses them interchangeably. Some states have turnpikes, parkways, etc. that usually are also just semantic variations. Kind of like how some states now use "traffic circle" and "roundabout" interchangeably, despite the two technically have differences in designs and thus traffic patterns.
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I-580 , I-880, I-80 in the Bay Area been mentioned for having crimes on freeways at some point.
The East Bay has had more than its share of incidents -- mostly car-to-car shootings -- in the past couple of years; I-80 from Richmond up to the CA 4 interchange seems to crop up as a site for this repeatedly, as does CA 4 itself along the stretch through Pittsburg and Antioch in Contra Costa County. Also, I-880 near the Oakland Coliseum "hosted" several incidents of what could best be described as "coordinated road rage" where either drivers or motorcycle riders would harangue other drivers on that freeway. They had enough sense (or planning) to dissipate before Oakland police or the CHP could arrive on the scene.
I-980 and the west end of CA-24 has been mentioned for having crimes at some point though.
Yeah, about 10 years ago I was approaching the Bay Bridge when I remembered I didn't have enough cash to pay the toll, so I looped back and got off at some west Oakland exit to look for an ATM. When I stopped, a guy "asked" me for $20 in such a way that I was convinced giving it to him would be a wiser move than turning him down, especially with a child in my car.
Chicago had something similar happen from time to time. People would walk up to cars stopped at a signal, and then ask for $20. If the person didn't comply, then they'd get mugged.
That type of thing should become rarer now that you can conceal carry in Illinois. If the bad guy doesn't know if your armed he may not try anything
Quote from: dmr37 on October 11, 2017, 12:27:29 PM
Quote from: ColossalBlocks on September 22, 2017, 05:23:41 PM
Quote from: kkt on September 22, 2017, 04:36:00 PM
Quote from: bing101 on September 22, 2017, 11:18:59 AM
Quote from: sparker on August 05, 2017, 02:25:02 PM
Quote from: bing101 on August 05, 2017, 12:36:17 PM
I-580 , I-880, I-80 in the Bay Area been mentioned for having crimes on freeways at some point.
The East Bay has had more than its share of incidents -- mostly car-to-car shootings -- in the past couple of years; I-80 from Richmond up to the CA 4 interchange seems to crop up as a site for this repeatedly, as does CA 4 itself along the stretch through Pittsburg and Antioch in Contra Costa County. Also, I-880 near the Oakland Coliseum "hosted" several incidents of what could best be described as "coordinated road rage" where either drivers or motorcycle riders would harangue other drivers on that freeway. They had enough sense (or planning) to dissipate before Oakland police or the CHP could arrive on the scene.
I-980 and the west end of CA-24 has been mentioned for having crimes at some point though.
Yeah, about 10 years ago I was approaching the Bay Bridge when I remembered I didn't have enough cash to pay the toll, so I looped back and got off at some west Oakland exit to look for an ATM. When I stopped, a guy "asked" me for $20 in such a way that I was convinced giving it to him would be a wiser move than turning him down, especially with a child in my car.
Chicago had something similar happen from time to time. People would walk up to cars stopped at a signal, and then ask for $20. If the person didn't comply, then they'd get mugged.
That type of thing should become rarer now that you can conceal carry in Illinois. If the bad guy doesn't know if your armed he may not try anything
Let us know how that works out.
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 21, 2017, 05:30:28 PM
Chicago ... West side ... Austin
The only place I've ever had someone throw rocks at me just for walking down the street.
Last week there was a rock throwing incident on I-75 in Michigan where a father of four was killed from one of the rocks. This happened at the Dodge Road overpass appox. mile marker 129 in between Mount Morris and Clio. Some teenagers from Clio thought it was a good idea to start throwing large rocks and even a tire at cars traveling southbound on I-75. They have been caught and are being charged as adults. The area that this happened in is a rural area about 10 miles north of Flint. The cops rarely travel down Dodge Road or Wilson Road (a mile north of Dodge). I travel on this stretch of I-75 on a regular basis.
I-43 north of Downtown Milwaukee is pretty scary. If it's not wrong-way drunk drivers, it's a couple of recent shoot-outs on the highway.
SM-G950U
As of yesterday, I-190 in Buffalo.
State Police investigating shooting incident on Niagara Thruway at rush hourQuoteState Police reported they are investigating a shooting incident between two vehicles at about 6:15 p.m. Monday on the northbound Niagara Thruway near the Niagara Street exit in downtown Buffalo.
One of the cars involved in the incident came to rest against the median in the left lane near the Niagara Street ramp.
There were significant traffic delays as northbound rush hour traffic was restricted to one lane in the hours after the incident, as the center and left lanes were blocked.
https://buffalonews.com/2018/07/09/accident-causing-significant-traffic-delays-on-i-190-north/
Some people may remember that there was actually a standoff on I-190 about a decade ago, by the Peace Bridge.
http://www.lockportjournal.com/news/local_news/i--standoff-details-emerging-about-tense-incident/article_ea9c9f42-7945-540b-a618-d01f2265c49f.html
I have no qualms about driving on any Chicago expressway and frankly fears of them being unsafe due to crime are unfounded. It's not like people are going around shooting at random cars. Like most violence the victims are generally people the shooters know. I'd be more worried about crashing than the infinitesimal chance of a stray bullet hitting my car.
There's a joint project between the cities of Pittsburg, Concord, and Antioch, Contra Costa County, and Caltrans to post 24/7 high-resolution cameras along CA 242 between I-680 and CA 4 and CA 4 east of there to the CA 160 interchange. Numerous shootings, ostensibly gang-related, have occurred on that combined stretch of highway over the past few years resulting in not only several direct fatalities & injuries but also quite a few vehicular incidents, some with serious injuries as well. Since the facility was brought out from 2+2 to 4+4 (with additional slip lanes) over the past several years -- including improved lighting -- it was deemed relatively easy to place cameras on the lighting arrays. Coverage is intended to be complete, with overlapping of fixed cameras and feeds to both local police and the county sheriffs' substation.
Plans are in the works for a similar installation on I-80 between central Richmond and CA 4 -- it seems quite a bit of the gang activity has moved to that stretch of highway in the last year or so, causing several traffic delays in addition to the normal crime-related mayhem.