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Title: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on August 15, 2017, 10:39:23 PM
This can be a two-pronged discussion:

1. Largest city without an active US route, and

2. Largest city that has never had a US route.

San Diego no longer has any active US routes. Are there any other comparable examples?
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: nexus73 on August 15, 2017, 10:46:48 PM
Fresno comes to mind if #1 is selected.

Rick
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: Pink Jazz on August 15, 2017, 10:57:37 PM
Albuquerque has no currently active signed U.S. routes, although there is the unsigned U.S. 85 which is concurrent with I-25.
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: FreewayDan on August 15, 2017, 11:10:05 PM
Add Tucson, AZ and Seattle, WA.
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: corco on August 15, 2017, 11:10:39 PM
Seattle is U.S. routeless at this point.

For never had a U.S. route, I don't know, Honolulu?
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 15, 2017, 11:20:05 PM
Bakersfield is up there along the 99 corridor also. 
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: jp the roadgeek on August 15, 2017, 11:38:04 PM
City (actually, a town) that never had one: Hempstead, NY (population of about 760,000)



Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: NE2 on August 16, 2017, 12:42:57 AM
We've had this thread before.
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8563
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=8564
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on August 16, 2017, 12:56:34 AM
I figured we had but a search didn't turn up anything.
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: bing101 on August 16, 2017, 09:16:03 AM
Oakland used to have US-40 and US-50 but that became I-580 and I-80.
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: formulanone on August 16, 2017, 09:30:17 AM
The Great American West: where US Routes go to die.

Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: paulthemapguy on August 16, 2017, 10:01:31 AM
Chicago and Indianapolis wish they were on this list.
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: Quillz on August 17, 2017, 02:13:44 AM
Quote from: formulanone on August 16, 2017, 09:30:17 AM
The Great American West: where US Routes go to die.


It's really more California. They didn't want US routes as part of the '64 renumbering, something I wish wasn't the case, but w/e. Oregon and Washington have been pretty good about retaining most of their US routes. The ones that were eliminated, such as US-126, were because of the intrastate rules regarding length. Or being entirely replaced by interstates (although here, Oregon does a decent job of maintaining US-30 as a frontage road, something Washington doesn't seem to do).
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: Max Rockatansky on August 17, 2017, 07:14:47 AM
Quote from: Quillz on August 17, 2017, 02:13:44 AM
Quote from: formulanone on August 16, 2017, 09:30:17 AM
The Great American West: where US Routes go to die.


It's really more California. They didn't want US routes as part of the '64 renumbering, something I wish wasn't the case, but w/e. Oregon and Washington have been pretty good about retaining most of their US routes. The ones that were eliminated, such as US-126, were because of the intrastate rules regarding length. Or being entirely replaced by interstates (although here, Oregon does a decent job of maintaining US-30 as a frontage road, something Washington doesn't seem to do).

Some of them didn't make sense to keep around like 40, 66, 70, and 80 given the huge multiplexes they had with Interstates.   399 and 466 were pretty much doomed given they were intrastate, there is still little sense to bumping 99 completely down to state highways.
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: US 89 on August 18, 2017, 12:57:54 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 17, 2017, 07:14:47 AM
Quote from: Quillz on August 17, 2017, 02:13:44 AM
Quote from: formulanone on August 16, 2017, 09:30:17 AM
The Great American West: where US Routes go to die.


It's really more California. They didn't want US routes as part of the '64 renumbering, something I wish wasn't the case, but w/e. Oregon and Washington have been pretty good about retaining most of their US routes. The ones that were eliminated, such as US-126, were because of the intrastate rules regarding length. Or being entirely replaced by interstates (although here, Oregon does a decent job of maintaining US-30 as a frontage road, something Washington doesn't seem to do).

Some of them didn't make sense to keep around like 40, 66, 70, and 80 given the huge multiplexes they had with Interstates.   399 and 466 were pretty much doomed given they were intrastate, there is still little sense to bumping 99 completely down to state highways.

US 466 went in three states: CA, NV, and AZ. It was, however, multiplexed with either US 91 or 93 in NV and AZ.

Other routes that were replaced by interstates include US 10 and 91 (and to a lesser extent, 89 in AZ and 85 in NM).
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: JJBers on August 18, 2017, 01:04:10 AM
Waterbury....Norwich....Union, CT
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: KEVIN_224 on August 18, 2017, 10:04:12 AM
Union, CT is the smallest town in the entire state of Connecticut. US Route 6 just misses Waterbury. There are no US Routes in New Britain (population of about 72,000). It does have I-84. Just east of New Britain is the Berlin Turnpike. That carries US Route 5/CT Route 15.
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: bing101 on August 18, 2017, 01:12:08 PM
Anaheim, Santa Ana, Irvine. Cities in Orange county, CA has no us routes because I-5 in the OC is on a former section of US-101.
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: oldparoadgeek on August 19, 2017, 12:35:04 AM
Harrisburg PA; pop. approximitly 50.000 had 6;  US 11 15 22 322 422 230  and if it counts Bypass 230. 11 15 22 and 322 were rerouted.  422 how ends at its junction with 322 just outside Hershey. 230 became PA Route 230  and Bypass 230 was dropped. Its possible that US 22 just nips a corner of Harrisburg at The PA Farmshow  by the corner of Cameron and Maclay Styreets
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: briantroutman on August 19, 2017, 01:10:43 AM
^ The US 22-322 freeway between Linglestown Road (PA 39) and I-81 adjacent to Wildwood Park is within the City of Harrisburg. Additionally, the section of US 22 on Cameron Street in front of HACC and the Farm Show complex is within the city, and Arsenal Boulevard enters and leaves the city twice between Cameron and Herr.

Here's the PennDOT type 10 map for Dauphin County: http://www.dot7.state.pa.us/BPR_pdf_files/Maps/GHS/Roadnames/Dauphin_GHSN.PDF (http://www.dot7.state.pa.us/BPR_pdf_files/Maps/GHS/Roadnames/Dauphin_GHSN.PDF)
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: sparker on August 22, 2017, 04:11:50 PM
Quote from: roadguy2 on August 18, 2017, 12:57:54 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on August 17, 2017, 07:14:47 AM
Quote from: Quillz on August 17, 2017, 02:13:44 AM
Quote from: formulanone on August 16, 2017, 09:30:17 AM
The Great American West: where US Routes go to die.


It's really more California. They didn't want US routes as part of the '64 renumbering, something I wish wasn't the case, but w/e. Oregon and Washington have been pretty good about retaining most of their US routes. The ones that were eliminated, such as US-126, were because of the intrastate rules regarding length. Or being entirely replaced by interstates (although here, Oregon does a decent job of maintaining US-30 as a frontage road, something Washington doesn't seem to do).

Some of them didn't make sense to keep around like 40, 66, 70, and 80 given the huge multiplexes they had with Interstates.   399 and 466 were pretty much doomed given they were intrastate, there is still little sense to bumping 99 completely down to state highways.

US 466 went in three states: CA, NV, and AZ. It was, however, multiplexed with either US 91 or 93 in NV and AZ.

Other routes that were replaced by interstates include US 10 and 91 (and to a lesser extent, 89 in AZ and 85 in NM).

We have talked about this before; because of the CA topography, interregional routes of all varieties tended to squeeze into favorable passageways (Cajon Pass, Beaumont Pass, Donner Pass [favorable to all but the Donner Party itself!] -- ad nauseum), causing multiplexes at or near the passes with 4-5 signed designations.  In '64, the Division of Highways decided to tackle the problem with a machete rather than a scalpel; the end result of which was (a) a loss of 61+% of all U.S. routes (both entering the state and intrastate), and (b) a relatively haphazard state numbering system.  The main saving grace was that most previously unnumbered state highways were signed (some for short periods until relinquishment).  Out here we're living with the detritus of that program every day we drive!
Title: Re: Largest cities without a US route
Post by: cjk374 on August 22, 2017, 04:56:47 PM
Natchitoches, Thibodaux, Houma, & Bogalusa, LA. Not the size of Seattle or Rochester, but decent sized towns here.