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Title: State Road over State Name
Post by: roadman65 on August 28, 2017, 04:40:44 PM
Some states use the State Name before the route number when identifying their state routes, and some use State Road instead of the state name or abbreviate "SR."

Florida uses State Road over its state name to mention state designations in standard practice or talk.  Indiana too is another State Road user. 

New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania use the state abbreviation first.

Texas uses SH (State Highway) instead of neither.  Michigan and Kansas use the first letter of the state name for their respected state routes.

What does your state use?
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: jp the roadgeek on August 28, 2017, 04:49:40 PM
In  CT, we use CT xxx for signed numbered state routes (2-372), and SSR/SR xxx for unsigned state routes.  SSR=Special Service Road, a 400 series unsigned route that serves a state facility such as an airport or a state park.  SR= State Road, a 500-900 series route (depending on region) that is often short, unsigned, and usually is an offshoot of or connection between two signed state routes.  Verbally, I'll use "Route xxx" for signed routes, and the name of the street for the unnumbered route. 
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: Flint1979 on August 28, 2017, 05:21:09 PM
All Michigan State Highways have a diamond with an M at the top of the diamond. Like this one:(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmediad.publicbroadcasting.net%2Fp%2Fmichigan%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fmedium%2Fpublic%2F201209%2FM-22.jpg&hash=c760b63e0fb2d8aa3de09a2801f30cdfcc5bbde0)
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on August 28, 2017, 06:32:18 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 28, 2017, 04:40:44 PM
Some states use the State Name before the route number when identifying their state routes, and some use State Road instead of the state name or abbreviate "SR."

Florida uses State Road over its state name to mention state designations in standard practice or talk.  Indiana too is another State Road user. 

New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania use the state abbreviation first.

Texas uses SH (State Highway) instead of neither.  Michigan and Kansas use the first letter of the state name for their respected state routes.

What does your state use?

I (and a few others) have a unified nomenclature for all state routes: It is (State abbreviation here) XX regardless of official use :sombrero:. SR states, KS, MI and TX be damned.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: formulanone on August 28, 2017, 07:10:14 PM
For the purposes of this forum (and filenames), I usually just use the state abbreviation. After all, SR can mean "state route" in many places and can mean "state road" elsewhere. If the state is understood in a specific thread, I'll defer to SR or SH as appropriate, but probably just stick to the state abbreviation.

Kansas and Michigan are exceptions, as K-123 or M-123 are more commonly used on this forum.

Texas is also an exception; because it has state highways, loops, spurs, farm/ranch-to-market routes; many of them with duplicate numbers...and then the oddities like OSR, Nasa 1, and "PA 1502" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wurzbach_Parkway), as further examples.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: Thing 342 on August 28, 2017, 07:27:23 PM
Standard practice for me is to use the state abbreviation, especially since in here in Virginia SR-XXX can also potentially refer to secondary routes (Although there are only two instances (VA-785 and VA-895), one signed (895), of where VA primary numbers could potentially overlap secondary numbers). Same thing goes for NC, however secondaries there are rarely prominently signed.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: Eth on August 28, 2017, 07:43:55 PM
Georgia officially also uses SR, though here it means "State Route" rather than "State Road".
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: GaryV on August 29, 2017, 06:24:38 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 28, 2017, 05:21:09 PM
All Michigan State Highways have a diamond with an M at the top of the diamond. Like this one:(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmediad.publicbroadcasting.net%2Fp%2Fmichigan%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fmedium%2Fpublic%2F201209%2FM-22.jpg&hash=c760b63e0fb2d8aa3de09a2801f30cdfcc5bbde0)

Except like some of that one, where they are replacing the signs without the M, in hopes that fewer will be stolen.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: cpzilliacus on August 29, 2017, 06:35:07 PM
Maryland uses MD, like MD-175 or MD-4. 

SR is almost unheard-of, perhaps in part because there is no signed secondary  network of highways (maintained by the state or the counties), unlike (for example) Virginia with its very extensive system of secondary routes in nearly all counties.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on August 29, 2017, 09:22:53 PM
Minnesota often uses "TH" for Trunk Highway, sometimes for all classes of route and not just state routes.

Wisconsin will use "STH" which I'm not sure if that's just an expanded "state highway" or if it means "state trunk highway".
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: Brandon on August 30, 2017, 06:31:44 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 29, 2017, 09:22:53 PM
Minnesota often uses "TH" for Trunk Highway, sometimes for all classes of route and not just state routes.

Wisconsin will use "STH" which I'm not sure if that's just an expanded "state highway" or if it means "state trunk highway".

State trunk highway.  It goes along with "CTH" or county trunk highway.  Of course, everyone, including WisDOT calls them "highway".

Illinois usually uses the state name, i.e. "Illinois 50", "Ill 50", or "IL 50", when in text.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on August 30, 2017, 07:47:06 AM
Here's a quick list of the official (primary) designations for each state. The state abbreviation also serves as the designation in the unified nomenclature (which is what I use):
AL: SR
AK: AK-
AZ: SR
AR: AR
CA: SR
CO: SH
CT: Route
DE: DE
FL: SR
GA: SR
HI: Route
ID: SH
IL: IL
IN: SR
IA: Iowa (What else? :sombrero:)
KS: K-
KY: KY
LA: LA
ME: SR
MD: MD
MA: Route
MI: M-
MN: MN (also TH as noted above)
MS: MS
MO: Route
MT: MT
NE: N-
NV: SR
NH: NH
NJ: Route
NM: NM
NY: NY
NC: NC
ND: ND
OH: SR
OK: SH
OR: OR
PA: PA
RI: Route
SC: SC
SD: SD
TN: SR
TX: SH (Also uses IH- instead of I- for Interstates)
UT: SR-
VT: VT
VA: Route (per WillWeaverRVA's post, below)
WA: SR
WV: WV
WI: WIS (also STH- as noted above)
WY: WYO

Bonus: DC 295.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: JasonOfORoads on September 07, 2017, 07:22:14 PM
Oregon generally uses "Oregon X", "Ore. X", "OR-X" when referring to state routes. Some roads, such as OR-217, go by "Highway 217", even though highways in Oregon are different than signed routes. (If the number were to match OR-217's underlying highway designation, it would be called "Highway 144".)

However, Washington is always "SR XX", like "SR 14" and "SR 500".
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: epzik8 on September 08, 2017, 03:48:39 AM
"MARYLAND/XXX" except on BGS
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: jakeroot on September 08, 2017, 04:03:18 AM
Quote from: JasonOfORoads on September 07, 2017, 07:22:14 PM
Washington is always "SR XX", like "SR 14" and "SR 500".

Basically, yes. Sometimes, "Hwy" is used as well. Such as "Hwy 2", "Hwy 9" or "Hwy 18".

Officially, though, "SR" is the most common abbreviation. "Hwy" is more common in conversation, if at all.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: WillWeaverRVA on September 08, 2017, 11:13:55 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 30, 2017, 07:47:06 AM
VA: VA

VA generally uses "Route" when referring to primary and secondary roads (using VA for primary and SR for secondary is unofficial), and "I-" when referring to interstates (most of the time, sometimes VDOT will use "Route" or "Route I-").
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: Flint1979 on September 08, 2017, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: GaryV on August 29, 2017, 06:24:38 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 28, 2017, 05:21:09 PM
All Michigan State Highways have a diamond with an M at the top of the diamond. Like this one:(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmediad.publicbroadcasting.net%2Fp%2Fmichigan%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fmedium%2Fpublic%2F201209%2FM-22.jpg&hash=c760b63e0fb2d8aa3de09a2801f30cdfcc5bbde0)

Except like some of that one, where they are replacing the signs without the M, in hopes that fewer will be stolen.
The only time I've seen the M missing is on overhead signs on freeways such as the Jeffries/Southfield interchange in Detroit. Going in both directions on the Jeffries it just has the 39 in a diamond even though the Southfield is M-39 still. Other than that though I've seen the M included on all of them. Without the M included they would look exactly like North Carolina's.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: Kacie Jane on September 08, 2017, 06:59:11 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 28, 2017, 04:40:44 PMNew Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania use the state abbreviation first.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 30, 2017, 07:47:06 AM
NJ: Route

You're both right.  It's almost never "New Jersey Route" or "NJ Route", almost always just "Route".  But in contexts where abbreviations are used, and even five letters is too long -- so sometimes on signs, but pretty consistently in charts and the like in DOT documents -- it will be I-, US, and NJ.  It doesn't particularly make sense, but NJDOT is pretty consistent.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: GaryV on September 08, 2017, 07:59:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 08, 2017, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: GaryV on August 29, 2017, 06:24:38 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 28, 2017, 05:21:09 PM
All Michigan State Highways have a diamond with an M at the top of the diamond. Like this one:(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmediad.publicbroadcasting.net%2Fp%2Fmichigan%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fmedium%2Fpublic%2F201209%2FM-22.jpg&hash=c760b63e0fb2d8aa3de09a2801f30cdfcc5bbde0)

Except like some of that one, where they are replacing the signs without the M, in hopes that fewer will be stolen.
The only time I've seen the M missing is on overhead signs on freeways such as the Jeffries/Southfield interchange in Detroit. Going in both directions on the Jeffries it just has the 39 in a diamond even though the Southfield is M-39 still. Other than that though I've seen the M included on all of them. Without the M included they would look exactly like North Carolina's.
Which is the point.  So many M-22 signs were stolen, they want to make them less desirable to take.  M-22 only.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: myosh_tino on September 10, 2017, 12:56:38 AM
Caltrans uses "Route" for all numbered highways (Interstates, US Routes and State Routes).
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: TEG24601 on September 10, 2017, 10:52:43 AM
Quote from: JasonOfORoads on September 07, 2017, 07:22:14 PM
Oregon generally uses "Oregon X", "Ore. X", "OR-X" when referring to state routes. Some roads, such as OR-217, go by "Highway 217", even though highways in Oregon are different than signed routes. (If the number were to match OR-217's underlying highway designation, it would be called "Highway 144".)

However, Washington is always "SR XX", like "SR 14" and "SR 500".


With Oregon, I always assumed that OR means "Oregon Route" for the signed routes, and usually use "Oregon Highway" for the unsigned routes or the underlying highway numbers.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: Revive 755 on September 10, 2017, 11:23:39 AM
Quote from: Brandon on August 30, 2017, 06:31:44 AM
Illinois usually uses the state name, i.e. "Illinois 50", "Ill 50", or "IL 50", when in text.

Except for some signing in the Chicago District of IDOT, where it is "IL Rte 50" or "ILL Rte 50" for older signs.
Example for IL 50 (older sign) (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.506226,-87.7323908,3a,18.6y,298.93h,98.08t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sNWdHb30Q46EBedz6IgRVCQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DNWdHb30Q46EBedz6IgRVCQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D265.7216%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)

Example for IL 31 (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.0980763,-88.2870732,3a,18.1y,110.94h,94.31t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sul7ruTXOq4rBs6A5Ps-S2g!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Dul7ruTXOq4rBs6A5Ps-S2g%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D85.758224%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: Flint1979 on September 10, 2017, 11:27:11 AM
Quote from: GaryV on September 08, 2017, 07:59:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on September 08, 2017, 01:24:41 PM
Quote from: GaryV on August 29, 2017, 06:24:38 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 28, 2017, 05:21:09 PM
All Michigan State Highways have a diamond with an M at the top of the diamond. Like this one:(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmediad.publicbroadcasting.net%2Fp%2Fmichigan%2Ffiles%2Fstyles%2Fmedium%2Fpublic%2F201209%2FM-22.jpg&hash=c760b63e0fb2d8aa3de09a2801f30cdfcc5bbde0)

Except like some of that one, where they are replacing the signs without the M, in hopes that fewer will be stolen.
The only time I've seen the M missing is on overhead signs on freeways such as the Jeffries/Southfield interchange in Detroit. Going in both directions on the Jeffries it just has the 39 in a diamond even though the Southfield is M-39 still. Other than that though I've seen the M included on all of them. Without the M included they would look exactly like North Carolina's.
Which is the point.  So many M-22 signs were stolen, they want to make them less desirable to take.  M-22 only.
Where abouts on M-22 have you seen this? I'm just asking because I drove on M-22 this summer bascially from Onekama to Crystal Lake and either wasn't paying attention so I don't remember or didn't notice the M missing. Something like that though I think I would have noticed it.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: bzakharin on September 11, 2017, 04:00:54 PM
Quote from: Kacie Jane on September 08, 2017, 06:59:11 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 28, 2017, 04:40:44 PMNew Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania use the state abbreviation first.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 30, 2017, 07:47:06 AM
NJ: Route

You're both right.  It's almost never "New Jersey Route" or "NJ Route", almost always just "Route".  But in contexts where abbreviations are used, and even five letters is too long -- so sometimes on signs, but pretty consistently in charts and the like in DOT documents -- it will be I-, US, and NJ.  It doesn't particularly make sense, but NJDOT is pretty consistent.
NJ 511 phone info uses "Interstate" and "county route". State and US are both "Route". I'm not sure how out-of-state routes are handled. I've only heard local streets (not route numbers) mentioned on the other side of a bridge under construction.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: 20160805 on October 07, 2017, 09:50:30 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 28, 2017, 06:32:18 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on August 28, 2017, 04:40:44 PM
Some states use the State Name before the route number when identifying their state routes, and some use State Road instead of the state name or abbreviate "SR."

Florida uses State Road over its state name to mention state designations in standard practice or talk.  Indiana too is another State Road user. 

New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania use the state abbreviation first.

Texas uses SH (State Highway) instead of neither.  Michigan and Kansas use the first letter of the state name for their respected state routes.

What does your state use?

I (and a few others) have a unified nomenclature for all state routes: It is (State abbreviation here) XX regardless of official use :sombrero:. SR states, KS, MI and TX be damned.

That's what I use too.  It just comes the most naturally, especially if you don't know The Official Nomenclature.

Here in Wisconsin, the official term, as stated, is "State Trunk Highway" (STH), but abbreviations like WI and WIS are common too, and most people refer to everything as "highway" anyway.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: Rover_0 on October 07, 2017, 11:04:48 AM
Utah uses SR-xx in its documents, but it's pretty obvious so as to not confuse US Routes (US-xx) with State Routes (SR-xx) vs. U-xx or UT-xx. I tend to follow this pattern when dealing solely with Utah roads, otherwise I use the state postal abbreviation. There are states that are exceptions to the postal abbreviation, such as Kansas (K-xx) or Wyoming (WYO-xx), but in general I stick with the postal abbreviation.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: 1995hoo on October 07, 2017, 05:34:57 PM
Quote from: WillWeaverRVA on September 08, 2017, 11:13:55 AM
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 30, 2017, 07:47:06 AM
VA: VA

VA generally uses "Route" when referring to primary and secondary roads (using VA for primary and SR for secondary is unofficial), and "I-" when referring to interstates (most of the time, sometimes VDOT will use "Route" or "Route I-").

The time and distance signs posted above some highways, at least in Northern Virginia, typically use "VA-" (with the hyphen) for state primary routes, such as this afternoon when we saw a sign on I-66 east of Haymarket that said "VA-28 Centreville" and gave mileage and estimated travel time.

Did pass two LGSs on westbound US-50 on the segment between US-15 and Paris that had the distance to "Route 81" listed (obviously referring to I-81). They looked like fairly new signs, and I don't recall those two signs on previous trips, though I should acknowledge we're usually going in the other direction when we're on that road.
Title: Re: State Road over State Name
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on October 08, 2017, 05:14:50 AM
Once I know what the "proper" abbreviation for a state's roads are I guess I never saw a reason to not subsequently use it. Writing something like "KS 96" or "MI 28" just feels awkward to me since those are not really the proper terms for those highways.