I just returned from a highway clinching/county collecting trip. After spending several nights in various motels and at each one the cleaner leaves an envelope for a tip (standard practice, I know) it made me want to ask members if they do or have ever tipped cleaning staff. If so, how much do you leave?
I will occasionally tip if my room is clean and adequately stocked with bathroom supplies and a good amount of pillows on the bed (I sleep with a lot of pillows and bring some from home just incase there isn't enough for my liking). If I do leave a tip, it's $5.
I regularly tip housekeeping staff (to the point of feeling guilty when I forget to leave a tip), unless their service has been awful. Normally $2 a night, or $5 for a two-night stay, though that can be tweaked upward for good service, or at economy lodgings where the staff is probably underpaid by the employers.
It really varies for me. When I do tip, I'll leave up to $5. And I'll tip nightly when I do tip, as the housekeeping staff can change nightly. I know some people will wait until the end of their stay to tip...but if they happen to catch a maid that hasn't done their room until that day, she will get a very nice tip while the person who worked on the room the rest of the stay gets nothing.
It really depends on the hotel, I usually do if I stay at something top tier like when I was at the La Concha in May...but those are rare stays. Usually I'm in for a good $5 dollars sometimes more in those instances, lower level chain hotels generally don't seem to have those envelopes nor level of effort to warrant a tip.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 28, 2017, 09:50:35 AM
And I'll tip nightly when I do tip, as the housekeeping staff can change nightly.
My understanding is that tips are pooled, to address that situation. Pooling makes it harder to penalize poor-performing staffers, though their lower contributions to the tip pool might make them unpopular with the rest of the staff.
I average upwards of 50 nights a year in hotels (all Marriotts of one type or another), and I generally leave at least $3 per day for every day I have service. I also try to leave rooms in as close to their original condition as possible to make the housekeepers' job easier.
Some hotels leave fairly subtle hints that you're supposed to tip–an otherwise blank envelope with the housekeeper's name handwritten on it...or a little card that says "If there's anything I can do to make your stay more enjoyable..." .
A number of Marriott properties have a rather blatantly identified tip envelope, but what's truly repugnant about it is a feeble attempt at corporate whitewashing along the lines of: "Marriott is proud to partner with the Maria Shriver organization to support women's rights..."
Or in other words:
Hi- We pay our (female) workers slave wages. Make up the difference. xoxo, Marriott.Even though I tip wherever it seems to be appropriate, I absolutely loathe the tipping culture. Workers should be paid an equitable wage. Period. I don't think it should be the customer's duty to sniff out which employees are underpaid and throw them a few dollars. I've also seen tip jars at hole-in-the-wall takeaway food joints where the order-taker/cashier/cook is the same person: the owner. Should I be tipping the person who walks away with the profits at the end of the day?
Quote from: oscar on September 28, 2017, 10:39:48 AM
My understanding is that tips are pooled...
Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. In some cases, the front-line person (i.e. hotel housekeeper, restaurant server) has to give a portion of their tips to designated back-line people (such as laundry staff in a hotel or food prep staff or bartenders in a restaurant). Or a pool of housekeepers' tips might be divided–among those on a particular floor, a particular shift, etc.
But in other cases (and I think more commonly), he or she who palms the fin walks away with all of it–undeclared, untaxed, and undivided.
I don't mind tipping. I don't like thinking about tipping. :poke:
I honestly had never heard of anybody tipping hotel maids before.
I've seen the envelopes at both high-end conference hotels (I never stay at any place fancy unless it's on someone else's dime) and at places like Red Roof.
I only tip if I am there for multiple nights, and then usually a flat $5 or so.
Tips should be a reward for good service, not an anticipated part of an employee's wage or salary. And as gifts, they certainly should not be subject to income tax.
If tips weren't subject to income tax, it would be comically easy to avoid income tax: just pay the employee $7.25 an hour, and drop a hundred or two into the tip jar.
I almost always tip unless it is one of the fortunately rare times an overzealous cleaning staff member starts on the room before I have put the tip out. Usually around $3 to $4, but I will dock the amount if I arrive to a room that is not as clean as it should be, and occasionally up the amount if staying multiple nights and/or make more of a mess of the room. There was one time I was staying multiple nights, came back with muddy clothes one night, and left the bathtub extremely dirty, so I left a $10 tip.
I always tip.
Most service workers are paid below minimum wage. An extra $5 won't kill my budget but it could really help supplement a person's wages. I grew up in a poor household and my mom cleaned hotel rooms when I was a kid so I am incredibly sympathetic.
I never tip for a single night stay. If I stay multiple nights in the same place, I might leave $15 at the end of the stay.
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 28, 2017, 06:15:13 PM
If tips weren't subject to income tax, it would be comically easy to avoid income tax: just pay the employee $7.25 an hour, and drop a hundred or two into the tip jar.
I had a boss once who always paid for his food on his credit/debit card but left the waiter/waitresses a cash tip. I think that he was trying to help them avoid the income tax but I'm not sure if it actually worked.
I usually don't tip cleaning staff at hotels, because I don't usually have my room cleaned between Monday night and Friday morning. To me, having the room ready is literally part of the job and customer expectation. I usually don't have a room cleaned because of the tendency of cleaning staff to leave room doors wide open...it's not the cleaning staff I don't trust, but the comings-and-goings of everyone passing through the hallways.
I do make exceptions:
1) Staying longer, in which I desire some sort of mid-week service. $2 per cleaning.
2) If they find something I'd lost (one time I'd lost an SD card, and they found it and placed it on the nightstand), so I gave them $5.
3) If I had a bad cold that week, regardless of any lack of service. Seems fair, since they might get unwell. Depends on what's in my wallet.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on September 29, 2017, 10:00:59 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 28, 2017, 06:15:13 PM
If tips weren't subject to income tax, it would be comically easy to avoid income tax: just pay the employee $7.25 an hour, and drop a hundred or two into the tip jar.
I had a boss once who always paid for his food on his credit/debit card but left the waiter/waitresses a cash tip. I think that he was trying to help them avoid the income tax but I'm not sure if it actually worked.
Two possible problems with that:
-- the IRS doing occasional checks for underreporting of tip income
-- employers might need to track tips -- and have an interest in reporting high amounts -- to qualify for paying sub-minimum wages that assume tips will bring employees over the minimum wage
This can be an issue also with home improvement and other contractors. One local story is about a contractor who subtly hinted that he wanted to be paid in cash so he wouldn't have to report it all to the IRS. Unfortunately, one of his clients was at the time the IRS commissioner. She paid the contractor with a check.
Quote from: oscar on September 29, 2017, 11:25:36 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on September 29, 2017, 10:00:59 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 28, 2017, 06:15:13 PM
If tips weren't subject to income tax, it would be comically easy to avoid income tax: just pay the employee $7.25 an hour, and drop a hundred or two into the tip jar.
I had a boss once who always paid for his food on his credit/debit card but left the waiter/waitresses a cash tip. I think that he was trying to help them avoid the income tax but I'm not sure if it actually worked.
Two possible problems with that:
-- the IRS doing occasional checks for underreporting of tip income
-- employers might need to track tips -- and have an interest in reporting high amounts -- to qualify for paying sub-minimum wages that assume tips will bring employees over the minimum wage
This can be an issue also with home improvement and other contractors. One local story is about a contractor who subtly hinted that he wanted to be paid in cash so he wouldn't have to report it all to the IRS. Unfortunately, one of his clients was at the time the IRS commissioner. She paid the contractor with a check.
If I tip a server, I could care less what the server reports - it's not my problem at that point. I can't control what they do.
I personally think it was more of a personal matter with the boss.
If the boss puts down a cash tip (say, 15%), then he can later write on the receipt a larger tip (say, 20%) when he goes to submit the expense report.
Quote from: formulanone on September 29, 2017, 10:11:43 AM
I usually don't tip cleaning staff at hotels... To me, having the room ready is literally part of the job and customer expectation.
I agree that walking into a clean room is the customer's expectation–and a very reasonable one at that. But if going beyond the job description and exceeding the customer's expectations constituted the minimum threshold for leaving a gratuity, who
would get tipped? In a little over a decade of adult life–interacting with service workers–I can't recall more than a few who've done anything special or gone beyond the most basic description of their duties.
Based on general consensus (which is all I have to go on, since our peculiar institution of tipping has no defined rules), a number of people should be tipped merely for doing their duties adequately–including airport shuttle drivers, taxi/Uber/Lyft drivers, delivery drivers, newspaper carriers, hotel breakfast attendants, parking attendants, car wash workers, baristas, barbers...(we could be here all day). And of course, restaurant servers.
Some of these employees, if designated as "tipped workers" by their employers, can be paid a sub-minimum wage under the assumption that tips will pick up the slack. You're practically obliged to give these "tipped workers" something, even for subpar service. But you don't know who's officially designated as "tipped" or not. And those who earn the federal minimum possibly accepted a lower hourly wage on the vague promise that tips would make their pay more livable.
As I said before, it shouldn't your responsibility–or mine–to research local wage laws, know how much each worker gets paid, calculate it against the local cost of living, and so on. Describing the necessary thought process just illustrates how ridiculous the concept of tipping is. But unfortunately, knowing the modest amount I do about wages and working conditions in the service industry, I feel I have no choice but tip at least the minimum...even in a barely clean Fairfield Inn room for one night. That is–until Americans can have a mature, national discussion about equitable compensation practices and dump this archaic practice nationally.
Probably the situation where tipping has the most peculiar effect is in casinos. If you hit a slot machine jackpot, the going rate for a tip is 1—2%, given to the attendant after they pay you out. In blackjack, you place a side bet for the dealer and if you win the dealer pays out both your bet and this side bet, then collects both the side bet and its payout as the tip.
The upshot of this is that tipped casino staff only make money when the player wins. That means that the staff is usually actively rooting for their employer to lose!
(Unless you're being a dick, in which case they are rooting for the casino to take all your money so you'll go away.)
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 29, 2017, 12:43:57 PM
Quote from: oscar on September 29, 2017, 11:25:36 AM
Quote from: The Nature Boy on September 29, 2017, 10:00:59 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 28, 2017, 06:15:13 PM
If tips weren't subject to income tax, it would be comically easy to avoid income tax: just pay the employee $7.25 an hour, and drop a hundred or two into the tip jar.
I had a boss once who always paid for his food on his credit/debit card but left the waiter/waitresses a cash tip. I think that he was trying to help them avoid the income tax but I'm not sure if it actually worked.
Two possible problems with that:
-- the IRS doing occasional checks for underreporting of tip income
-- employers might need to track tips -- and have an interest in reporting high amounts -- to qualify for paying sub-minimum wages that assume tips will bring employees over the minimum wage
This can be an issue also with home improvement and other contractors. One local story is about a contractor who subtly hinted that he wanted to be paid in cash so he wouldn't have to report it all to the IRS. Unfortunately, one of his clients was at the time the IRS commissioner. She paid the contractor with a check.
If I tip a server, I could care less what the server reports - it's not my problem at that point. I can't control what they do.
I personally think it was more of a personal matter with the boss.
If the boss puts down a cash tip (say, 15%), then he can later write on the receipt a larger tip (say, 20%) when he goes to submit the expense report.
I agree, I don't care at all what they do with the money. If I'm served well, I leave a cash tip. If I'm served poorly and paying with a card, it goes on the card. I had a contractor at the house who wanted to be paid in cash and gave me a discount for it, so fine, I'll pay in cash. Not my problem what he does from there, I've done nothing wrong and we're all adults.
Quote from: briantroutman on September 29, 2017, 01:37:17 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 29, 2017, 10:11:43 AM
I usually don't tip cleaning staff at hotels... To me, having the room ready is literally part of the job and customer expectation.
I agree that walking into a clean room is the customer's expectation—and a very reasonable one at that. But if going beyond the job description and exceeding the customer’s expectations constituted the minimum threshold for leaving a gratuity, who would get tipped? In a little over a decade of adult life—interacting with service workers—I can’t recall more than a few who’ve done anything special or gone beyond the most basic description of their duties.
Based on general consensus (which is all I have to go on, since our peculiar institution of tipping has no defined rules), a number of people should be tipped merely for doing their duties adequately—including airport shuttle drivers, taxi/Uber/Lyft drivers, delivery drivers, newspaper carriers, hotel breakfast attendants, parking attendants, car wash workers, baristas, barbers...(we could be here all day). And of course, restaurant servers.
Some of these employees, if designated as “tipped workers” by their employers, can be paid a sub-minimum wage under the assumption that tips will pick up the slack. You’re practically obliged to give these “tipped workers” something, even for subpar service. But you don’t know who’s officially designated as “tipped” or not. And those who earn the federal minimum possibly accepted a lower hourly wage on the vague promise that tips would make their pay more livable.
As I said before, it shouldn’t your responsibility—or mine—to research local wage laws, know how much each worker gets paid, calculate it against the local cost of living, and so on. Describing the necessary thought process just illustrates how ridiculous the concept of tipping is. But unfortunately, knowing the modest amount I do about wages and working conditions in the service industry, I feel I have no choice but tip at least the minimum...even in a barely clean Fairfield Inn room for one night. That is—until Americans can have a mature, national discussion about equitable compensation practices and dump this archaic practice nationally.
I agree. Just get rid of tipping and pay everybody a fair wage. Don't even get me started on how corrupt and wrong our system is.
Also, every time I visit a restaurant where a waiter/tress brings the food to you, I always get bad service. They always let my drink run dry. This is incredibly annoying, because I have to stop eating until it is refilled, which often takes 5-10 minutes.
In this situation its annoying that you are expected to tip. I would much rather they have the drink dispenser in the dining room so that I can refill my drink myself. Why should I have to tip for service that I don't need or want?
Quote from: Alps on September 30, 2017, 12:25:40 AM
I had a contractor at the house who wanted to be paid in cash and gave me a discount for it, so fine, I'll pay in cash. Not my problem what he does from there, I've done nothing wrong and we're all adults.
This could very well have been to avoid credit card fees. I try to steer customers to my business toward using a check, since that's free to me (so I make more money).
Quote from: Brian556 on September 30, 2017, 12:44:39 AM
Also, every time I visit a restaurant where a waiter/tress brings the food to you, I always get bad service. They always let my drink run dry. This is incredibly annoying, because I have to stop eating until it is refilled, which often takes 5-10 minutes.
In this situation its annoying that you are expected to tip. I would much rather they have the drink dispenser in the dining room so that I can refill my drink myself. Why should I have to tip for service that I don't need or want?
I'm lost. You go to a sit-down restaurant, where food and drinks are brought to you, and are refilled by wait staff. But you complain about having to wait for service and that you can't do things are your own. Here's a tip: go to a fast food restaurant, where that's the whole idea.
I work at a Marriott as a valet. I'm rather fortunate that I live in a city with a high minimum wage ($12), in a state without income tax. Combined with my tips, which we do not pool (since there's never more than two valets on staff so it's just a big PITA) (we may or may not report our tips), I make quite good money.
I don't necessarily expect tips, but the stereotypes of who does and does not tip always surprise me. There are people with extremely nice cars who you sort of expect to have a couple extra bucks laying around that they might pass on. But they tip the standard amount ($2-$4) if at all. Then you got the beater Metro driven by someone who clearly doesn't have much, who happily throws you $5 or $10. Perhaps their generosity is the reason they drive a Metro. But it goes a long way.
That all said, I'd rather make $15-$18/hr without tips (I can make $20+ hour on some days with tips). It can be awkward waiting for a tip.
Quote from: jakeroot on September 30, 2017, 02:04:41 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on September 30, 2017, 12:44:39 AM
Also, every time I visit a restaurant where a waiter/tress brings the food to you, I always get bad service. They always let my drink run dry. This is incredibly annoying, because I have to stop eating until it is refilled, which often takes 5-10 minutes.
In this situation its annoying that you are expected to tip. I would much rather they have the drink dispenser in the dining room so that I can refill my drink myself. Why should I have to tip for service that I don't need or want?
I'm lost. You go to a sit-down restaurant, where food and drinks are brought to you, and are refilled by wait staff. But you complain about having to wait for service and that you can't do things are your own. Here's a tip: go to a fast food restaurant, where that's the whole idea.
I go to these restaurants only because I want the food that they offer, not because I feel the need to have people do things for me that I could be doing myself.
I do prefer the way things are done at a fast food establishment.
Quote from: Brian556 on September 30, 2017, 02:27:33 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 30, 2017, 02:04:41 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on September 30, 2017, 12:44:39 AM
Also, every time I visit a restaurant where a waiter/tress brings the food to you, I always get bad service. They always let my drink run dry. This is incredibly annoying, because I have to stop eating until it is refilled, which often takes 5-10 minutes.
In this situation its annoying that you are expected to tip. I would much rather they have the drink dispenser in the dining room so that I can refill my drink myself. Why should I have to tip for service that I don't need or want?
I'm lost. You go to a sit-down restaurant, where food and drinks are brought to you, and are refilled by wait staff. But you complain about having to wait for service and that you can't do things are your own. Here's a tip: go to a fast food restaurant, where that's the whole idea.
I go to these restaurants only because I want the food that they offer, not because I feel the need to have people do things for me that I could be doing myself.
I do prefer the way things are done at a fast food establishment.
Sounds to me like you prefer buffets. Which I also like, because they give you that sit-down quality, but you do things on your own (except drinks at some places).
I don't tip cleaning staff at hotels for basic room cleaning with just a couple exceptions- I think it's utterly ridiculous that we've gotten to a point where that is an expectation.
That being said, 90% of my hotel stays are just me and for just one night. I make sure to leave the room as spotless as possible (throw away all my garbage, wipe up any messes) so that all that is left to clean is very minor wear and tear. With the exception of an unmade bed, whatever (if any) garbage I generated consolidated into one trash can, and maybe a tiny bit of toothpaste in the sink I typically leave hotel rooms in exactly the same condition I found them. I don't think that warrants a tip.
I do tip if I go above that normal wear and tear standard, which usually involves:
1. I stay in a hotel multiple nights and they make my bed and organize my personal effects, I'll leave a couple bucks. I generally put the "Do Not Disturb" sign on the door to prevent this from happening.
2. Once I stayed in a hotel, got really drunk, and vomited all over the bathroom. I tried to clean up the vomit the best I could but it was far from perfect without ruining their towels and stuff. I left a $20 for whoever had to clean it up, because that seemed like the right thing to do.
3. If I am offered a service that goes above and beyond, I'll tip. For instance, a few months ago I walked out of a hotel room in Mexico and the housekeeper asked me if I wanted water, and gave me a few large bottles of water. That was a free amenity provided by the hotel, but I appreciated the housekeeper going above and beyond by asking me if I wanted anything as opposed to me going down to the lobby to get more, so I gave her a few pesos.
Quote from: jakeroot on September 30, 2017, 11:31:14 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on September 30, 2017, 02:27:33 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 30, 2017, 02:04:41 AM
Quote from: Brian556 on September 30, 2017, 12:44:39 AM
Also, every time I visit a restaurant where a waiter/tress brings the food to you, I always get bad service. They always let my drink run dry. This is incredibly annoying, because I have to stop eating until it is refilled, which often takes 5-10 minutes.
In this situation its annoying that you are expected to tip. I would much rather they have the drink dispenser in the dining room so that I can refill my drink myself. Why should I have to tip for service that I don't need or want?
I'm lost. You go to a sit-down restaurant, where food and drinks are brought to you, and are refilled by wait staff. But you complain about having to wait for service and that you can't do things are your own. Here's a tip: go to a fast food restaurant, where that's the whole idea.
I go to these restaurants only because I want the food that they offer, not because I feel the need to have people do things for me that I could be doing myself.
I do prefer the way things are done at a fast food establishment.
Sounds to me like you prefer buffets. Which I also like, because they give you that sit-down quality, but you do things on your own (except drinks at some places).
This is also like cafeterias. Its a shame they went away
LOL, I am reminded of a full service restaurant I went to some years ago that was built onto a convenience store. The waitress brought my meal out but then disappeared for parts unknown without bringing my drink. After a reasonable wait, I went to the convenience store and purchased a beverage and returned to my meal and finished it off.
Eventually she returned with my check, never noticed the 'alien' beverage container either.
As far as I can recall, that was the only time I have ever left a 2 penny tip. Unfortunately, I am convinced to this day she had not a clue what her error was and is equally convinced I'm a butthole.
I never knew you were supposed to tip cleaning staff. I can see where they go above and beyond but changing sheets, vacuuming, emptying trash cans and wiping down sink when I leave is their job. I don't leave a mess, all trash is in one trash can
I will start doing so, a few bucks for a hard worker always helps them.
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I really hate when there are bathroom attendants. I don't need any help holding my dick or wiping my ass and I don't need to be sprayed in a cloud of drakar noir
Z981
Quote from: jwolfer on September 30, 2017, 07:11:35 PM
I really hate when there are bathroom attendants. I don't need any help holding my dick or wiping my ass and I don't need to be sprayed in a cloud of drakar noir
I've never seen these before. Where'd you run into them?
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 30, 2017, 01:16:17 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 30, 2017, 12:25:40 AM
I had a contractor at the house who wanted to be paid in cash and gave me a discount for it, so fine, I'll pay in cash. Not my problem what he does from there, I've done nothing wrong and we're all adults.
This could very well have been to avoid credit card fees. I try to steer customers to my business toward using a check, since that's free to me (so I make more money).
That's actually a reason to tip the waiter in cash as well.
Regarding tipping in general, I went for a haircut today and I tipped $5 for a $20 haircut. I used to tip $5 for $18 and they recently raised the price. I supposed $5 might be slightly high, but it's more just a factor of convenience. It's easy to give the guy a fiver (they do not accept credit card tips), plus I usually go to the same guy (although he was off today) and he recognizes me.
Quote from: jakeroot on September 30, 2017, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on September 30, 2017, 07:11:35 PM
I really hate when there are bathroom attendants. I don't need any help holding my dick or wiping my ass and I don't need to be sprayed in a cloud of drakar noir
I've never seen these before. Where'd you run into them?
Fancy hotels or nightclubs in the past. Thankfully not very common anymore..
Some dude sitting there with an assortment of soap, breath mints, cologne, and I would imagine condoms. He would hand you towels to dry hands etc.. He would find a reason to talk to you..give you what you need. In other words a reason for a tip
Z981
Quote from: jakeroot on September 30, 2017, 08:48:29 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on September 30, 2017, 07:11:35 PM
I really hate when there are bathroom attendants. I don't need any help holding my dick or wiping my ass and I don't need to be sprayed in a cloud of drakar noir
I've never seen these before. Where'd you run into them?
The only one I remember was the most heavily-used men's room in the lower levels of one of the Marriotts in downtown Washington D.C., when it was hosting an antitrust law convention. Fortunately, there was an attendant-free men's room one level upstairs, so I just used that one.
Quote from: oscar on September 30, 2017, 09:15:26 PM
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Quote from: jwolfer on September 30, 2017, 07:11:35 PM
I really hate when there are bathroom attendants. I don't need any help holding my dick or wiping my ass and I don't need to be sprayed in a cloud of drakar noir
I've never seen these before. Where'd you run into them?
The only one I remember was the most heavily-used men's room in the lower levels of one of the Marriotts in downtown Washington D.C., when it was hosting an antitrust law convention. Fortunately, there was an attendant-free men's room one level upstairs, so I just used that one.
I hate being observed using the bathroom..
I can't imagine working there. Having to smell random people's nasty dumps all day... What a shitty job
Z981
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 30, 2017, 08:54:16 PM
Regarding tipping in general, I went for a haircut today and I tipped $5 for a $20 haircut. I used to tip $5 for $18 and they recently raised the price. I supposed $5 might be slightly high, but it's more just a factor of convenience. It's easy to give the guy a fiver (they do not accept credit card tips), plus I usually go to the same guy (although he was off today) and he recognizes me.
Yes - I tip generously when I want to build a good relationship with whatever entity. I always leave a tip at my 3-4 times a week mom-and-pop lunch spot, even though it is a counter service place (though they bring the food out). In exchange, they know my name, give me free food sometimes, and expedite my food relative to other people's when it is clear I'm in a hurry without me asking. I appreciate that.
I typically tip my barber $8 on a $22 haircut, and that is also clearly appreciated - she is willing to squeeze me in when it fits my schedule.
I'm much happier to tip generously in that situation than with somebody I'll never see again.
Quote from: jwolfer on September 30, 2017, 09:17:37 PM
Having to smell random people's nasty dumps all day... What a shitty job
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After one week of excessive and annoying cleaning, I actively go out of my way to avoid a repeat experience. I had my bin bag wastefully changed because of a single instant coffee wrapper in it, and my bed made up (which I hate*), after the first night, I left a note on the bed saying 'please don't make up my room' (there were no 'Do not disturb' signs as it was College Dorms being used out-of-term-time as accommodation for conference delegates). It still happened with the note carefully placed back on the redone bed (so read, but ignored). After the third and forth nights I covered my bed in my stuff, had the note, and took the rubbish for my morning coffee to breakfast and binned it there so that they wouldn't do it. It did work, but was effort that I had to clean up.
Due to that, I always leave the 'Do not disturb' sign on the door until I leave. I've never left a room dirty or untidy though not clean enough for someone else to come in. As such, even if I had come from a tipping culture, I see no reason to tip - I've made their job easier for a few days and haven't given them much work to do when I do give them some work to do.
*I run hot and move around a lot when asleep. Being tucked in = very little sleep as I wake up every time I try to turn over and find it hard, and blankets/other stuff laid on top = very little sleep (especially as the duvets are normally thicker than I would like anyway). The first (OK, not quite) thing I do when arriving in a hotel room is clearing the bed of stuff I don't want, and untucking all the tucks and then tidying up the excess stuff neatly. If I forget to leave the Do Not Disturb sign out then the linen comes out of the wardrobe and goes back on my bed in what is annoying for everyone. When leaving, I put the stuff back on the bed neatly enough (I don't make the bed - not least as I hope they take it off and wash it).
Quote from: english si on October 01, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
After one week of excessive and annoying cleaning, I actively go out of my way to avoid a repeat experience. I had my bin bag wastefully changed because of a single instant coffee wrapper in it, and my bed made up (which I hate*), after the first night, I left a note on the bed saying 'please don't make up my room' (there were no 'Do not disturb' signs as it was College Dorms being used out-of-term-time as accommodation for conference delegates). It still happened with the note carefully placed back on the redone bed (so read, but ignored). After the third and forth nights I covered my bed in my stuff, had the note, and took the rubbish for my morning coffee to breakfast and binned it there so that they wouldn't do it. It did work, but was effort that I had to clean up.
Due to that, I always leave the 'Do not disturb' sign on the door until I leave. I've never left a room dirty or untidy though not clean enough for someone else to come in. As such, even if I had come from a tipping culture, I see no reason to tip - I've made their job easier for a few days and haven't given them much work to do when I do give them some work to do.
*I run hot and move around a lot when asleep. Being tucked in = very little sleep as I wake up every time I try to turn over and find it hard, and blankets/other stuff laid on top = very little sleep (especially as the duvets are normally thicker than I would like anyway). The first (OK, not quite) thing I do when arriving in a hotel room is clearing the bed of stuff I don't want, and untucking all the tucks and then tidying up the excess stuff neatly. If I forget to leave the Do Not Disturb sign out then the linen comes out of the wardrobe and goes back on my bed in what is annoying for everyone. When leaving, I put the stuff back on the bed neatly enough (I don't make the bed - not least as I hope they take it off and wash it).
Perhaps the maid can not read English well or at all.
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Quote from: 1995hoo on September 30, 2017, 08:54:16 PM
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I had a contractor at the house who wanted to be paid in cash and gave me a discount for it, so fine, I'll pay in cash. Not my problem what he does from there, I've done nothing wrong and we're all adults.
This could very well have been to avoid credit card fees. I try to steer customers to my business toward using a check, since that's free to me (so I make more money).
That's actually a reason to tip the waiter in cash as well.
I don't think anywhere takes the credit card fee out of the waiter's tips, and it's probably unlawful to do so. The credit card fee (charged to the business by their credit card processing company) is a cost of doing business for the establishment.
Quote from: corco on September 30, 2017, 09:39:13 PM
Yes - I tip generously when I want to build a good relationship with whatever entity. [...] I'm much happier to tip generously in that situation than with somebody I'll never see again.
Which is really what you're buying when you tip well–a good relationship. Employees will move heaven and earth for a good tipper.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 02, 2017, 03:32:52 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on September 30, 2017, 08:54:16 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on September 30, 2017, 01:16:17 AM
Quote from: Alps on September 30, 2017, 12:25:40 AM
I had a contractor at the house who wanted to be paid in cash and gave me a discount for it, so fine, I'll pay in cash. Not my problem what he does from there, I've done nothing wrong and we're all adults.
This could very well have been to avoid credit card fees. I try to steer customers to my business toward using a check, since that's free to me (so I make more money).
That's actually a reason to tip the waiter in cash as well.
I don't think anywhere takes the credit card fee out of the waiter's tips, and it's probably unlawful to do so. The credit card fee (charged to the business by their credit card processing company) is a cost of doing business for the establishment.
No, it's generally not unlawful -- an isolated state or two may prohibit it, but federal labor law allows that the credit card processor's fixed percentage fee may be deducted from the credit card tips passed to the employee. (Any fixed dollar charges, such as the cost of terminal equipment, may not be.) How many employers actually do so, I don't know. But that's one reason I generally tip in cash, especially if I regularly frequent the place.
If I'm only staying one night, then I don't tip, because they're just doing their normal job. If I'm staying more than one night and they actually make the beds and re-stock supplies, then I do tip a few dollars. On my recent trip to Minnesota (two nights), they re-stocked the towels but didn't do anything else, so I didn't tip. My mother-in-law has worked in housekeeping most of her life, but I've never had a conversation with her about tipping.
If time allows, I do strip the beds, fold the blankets, and bundle the sheets and pillowcases. I also bundle the used towels and combine the trash.
My family normally tips at hotels.
Tipping in cash while paying the bill on the credit card is not only to help the server underreport their income. Cash tips go to the server immediately. A tip on the credit card is in limbo at least until the business gets reimbursed by the credit card company at the end of the month. And businesses skim a portion of the credit card reimbursement, at least for the fee the credit card charges them, possibly more.
That said, I do put the tip on the credit card probably about half the time.
I rarely tip the cleaning staff unless they've done something that's extra effort beyond normal cleaning.
I really don't like the tipping system. Employees should be paid a living wage, not depend on tips for doing their jobs.
And it's hard for travelers to keep track of how much employees are actually paid. At home, they get $15 an hour, same as the minimum wage for any occupation, a modest living. But cross a state line and they might get half that, definitely not enough to live on if they aren't collecting tips.
Quote from: english si on October 01, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
After one week of excessive and annoying cleaning, I actively go out of my way to avoid a repeat experience. I had my bin bag wastefully changed because of a single instant coffee wrapper in it, and my bed made up (which I hate*), after the first night, I left a note on the bed saying 'please don't make up my room' (there were no 'Do not disturb' signs as it was College Dorms being used out-of-term-time as accommodation for conference delegates). It still happened with the note carefully placed back on the redone bed (so read, but ignored). After the third and forth nights I covered my bed in my stuff, had the note, and took the rubbish for my morning coffee to breakfast and binned it there so that they wouldn't do it. It did work, but was effort that I had to clean up.
Due to that, I always leave the 'Do not disturb' sign on the door until I leave. I've never left a room dirty or untidy though not clean enough for someone else to come in. As such, even if I had come from a tipping culture, I see no reason to tip - I've made their job easier for a few days and haven't given them much work to do when I do give them some work to do.
*I run hot and move around a lot when asleep. Being tucked in = very little sleep as I wake up every time I try to turn over and find it hard, and blankets/other stuff laid on top = very little sleep (especially as the duvets are normally thicker than I would like anyway). The first (OK, not quite) thing I do when arriving in a hotel room is clearing the bed of stuff I don't want, and untucking all the tucks and then tidying up the excess stuff neatly. If I forget to leave the Do Not Disturb sign out then the linen comes out of the wardrobe and goes back on my bed in what is annoying for everyone. When leaving, I put the stuff back on the bed neatly enough (I don't make the bed - not least as I hope they take it off and wash it).
Most hotels/motels I've stayed in give you the option of not requiring the bed to be made up/sheets changed. Most will not make up the bed unless you place the furnished sign saying so on the bed, others require you to place the "do not make up the bed" sign on the door. Of course, for extended stays, hotel/motel policy is typically to automatically change sheets/pillowcases after a certain number of days (usually three).
As for tipping cleaning staff, there was a period of time I was staying in hotels/motels where the staff would leave an envelope in the room to place the gratuity in. Haven't seen one of those envelopes in the past few years, so perhaps management is discouraging the practice.
I've never seen such an envelope left.
I've seen the envelopes. I don't let the presence or absence of an envelope sway me.
Here's the envelope Marriott leaves in many of its hotels. It's probably among the most unambiguous, as far as hotel gratuity envelopes go.
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My parents always tipped $5 per night at hotels. Following their example I generally do the same, at least for 1-2 night stays.
When I am staying in a hotel for longer than that I tend to leave the DND tag on the door except on days when I want the trash emptied, since in the middle of my stay that is the only service the cleaning staff provides which I feel is actually necessary, and their entrance into my room is as far as I'm concerned otherwise an inconvenience. In these cases, I will leave $5 only per day that I let the maids in.
I like the little toiletries they use. I always bring my own soap, shampoo, etc., but I will always stash the hotel-supplied goodies when I get to the room, with the exception of one bar of soap I use for hand-washing. Sometimes you just get soap and shampoo, in other places you will get conditioner and lotion and even mouthwash.
So if I'm staying for more than one night, I always want my room serviced.
My wife worked serving tables at a chain steakhouse when we were first married (1990) in South Carolina. Minimum wage then was $3.35/hr and she was paid $2.10/hr plus tips. She often got tips that were comically small, so we have always tried to be generous with tipping at restaurants. And it is definitely true that if you visit the same eateries repeatedly and you tip well, they DO recognize you and you get better service. One thing to remember about this compensation scheme is that there will be days when the server has to work a mostly not-busy time for the restaurant and they will not get that many tips.
We also tip hotel housekeeping if we stay multiple nights or if we leave a mess from eating dinner in the room, etc.
I also stay in Marriott properties a lot and their lower end brands do not generally have tipping envelopes. Something new though was this past summer in an actual Marriott they offered 500 points on our rewards program for every night that we requested no housekeeping service, up to 3 nights in a row. So we did that but still left a few bucks at the end since we were there several nights.
In terms of figuring out who needs tips to earn a living, we think about this more when outside the US (although we are aware from our own experiences that the South needs more help with this than other parts of the country outside the big cities). So when we went to Cuba recently we researched the issue in advance so that we knew whether (and how much) to tip. Most Cubans do not earn a whole lot of $ so we tipped the guy who toured us around in his 1948 Ford 50% of what he charged us and gave nice tips to our tour bus driver and tour guide from an all-day tour earlier in the day. Down there they can get away a little bit with not giving the government so much of their earnings when it is through tipping.
Since the majority of my hotel stays are work-related and just for myself, I usually only request housekeeping every other day for 3+ day stays. So if it's a 2-night stay, I don't even have housekeeping at all since I'm gone by the 2nd morning. My company usually puts me in hotels where they don't skimp on the towels, so I usually have a 2+ day supply, and most of the rooms have 2 beds so if I so desire, I have a 2-day supply of fresh bedding as well.
Quote from: thenetwork on October 13, 2017, 09:14:52 PM
Since the majority of my hotel stays are work-related and just for myself, I usually only request housekeeping every other day for 3+ day stays. So if it's a 2-night stay, I don't even have housekeeping at all since I'm gone by the 2nd morning. My company usually puts me in hotels where they don't skimp on the towels, so I usually have a 2+ day supply, and most of the rooms have 2 beds so if I so desire, I have a 2-day supply of fresh bedding as well.
I would guess that most hotels/motels don't change the bedding every night unless the occupant of the room is going to be someone different. Does anyone change their bedding every day at home? I wouldn't think so.
Quote from: Duke87 on October 13, 2017, 07:27:59 PM
When I am staying in a hotel for longer than that I tend to leave the DND tag on the door except on days when I want the trash emptied
When the trash is full, I'll usually just put the can out in the hall during cleaning time. The staff will usually change it in an hour or so.
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Quote from: Duke87 on October 13, 2017, 07:27:59 PM
When I am staying in a hotel for longer than that I tend to leave the DND tag on the door except on days when I want the trash emptied
When the trash is full, I'll usually just put the can out in the hall during cleaning time. The staff will usually change it in an hour or so.
I recently left my full trashcans in the hallway b/c I like to sleep late. When I woke up the trash cans were gone. It seems management doesnt want the cans left in the hall b/c they could draw roaches or someone could drop a lit cigarette in it & start a fire, this coming from the hotel manager. I asked isnt this a smoke free bldg? He mumbled something in Pakistani & shuffled off.
Quote from: allniter89 on October 14, 2017, 08:48:23 PM
It seems management doesnt want the cans left in the hall b/c they could draw roaches or someone could drop a lit cigarette in it & start a fire, this coming from the hotel manager. I asked isnt this a smoke free bldg?
Good luck getting every customer to actually act the way they're supposed to. People are animals.
How does placing a trash can in the hallway make it more likely to attract roaches than leaving the same can in your room?
Just spent three nights at a Wyndham in Los Angeles. We tipped $5 each day before we left. Room came back looking excellent! I suspect it would have looked the same regardless, but I sleep better at night knowing that I helped a family who's probably not very rich, and could use the tax-free income.
Quote from: Duke87 on October 15, 2017, 07:48:32 PM
How does placing a trash can in the hallway make it more likely to attract roaches than leaving the same can in your room?
They probably more attracted to the TV set, anyway...
Quote from: jakeroot on October 15, 2017, 10:15:34 PM
Just spent three nights at a Wyndham in Los Angeles. We tipped $5 each day before we left. Room came back looking excellent! I suspect it would have looked the same regardless, but I sleep better at night knowing that I helped a family who's probably not very rich, and could use the tax-free income.
$5 will not buy much.
I generally tip a couple bucks a day if I'm somewhere for multiple nights, especially if I'm on a work-related trip (because they're footing the bill). Rarely do if I'm somewhere for just one night, as I make every attempt to leave the room spotless.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 13, 2017, 08:28:37 PM
I like the little toiletries they use. I always bring my own soap, shampoo, etc., but I will always stash the hotel-supplied goodies when I get to the room, with the exception of one bar of soap I use for hand-washing. Sometimes you just get soap and shampoo, in other places you will get conditioner and lotion and even mouthwash.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who does this. I rarely have to buy bathroom hand soap because I just use the hotel stuff. When I was a kid, my dad traveled a lot for business and I loved when he'd bring home the hotel soap for me; still love bringing that stuff home.
Quote from: cl94 on October 16, 2017, 04:09:55 PM
I generally tip a couple bucks a day if I'm somewhere for multiple nights, especially if I'm on a work-related trip (because they're footing the bill). Rarely do if I'm somewhere for just one night, as I make every attempt to leave the room spotless.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 13, 2017, 08:28:37 PM
I like the little toiletries they use. I always bring my own soap, shampoo, etc., but I will always stash the hotel-supplied goodies when I get to the room, with the exception of one bar of soap I use for hand-washing. Sometimes you just get soap and shampoo, in other places you will get conditioner and lotion and even mouthwash.
Glad to see I'm not the only one who does this. I rarely have to buy bathroom hand soap because I just use the hotel stuff. When I was a kid, my dad traveled a lot for business and I loved when he'd bring home the hotel soap for me; still love bringing that stuff home.
Is taking hotel soap home not illeagal?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 16, 2017, 04:12:23 PM
Is taking hotel soap home not illeagal?
Of course it's legal. The toiletries are complimentary. And being as they have to throw out anything that is opened, the hotels consider this to be a sunk cost. Not like the stuff costs more than 25-50 cents/room
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Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 16, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 15, 2017, 10:15:34 PM
Just spent three nights at a Wyndham in Los Angeles. We tipped $5 each day before we left. Room came back looking excellent! I suspect it would have looked the same regardless, but I sleep better at night knowing that I helped a family who's probably not very rich, and could use the tax-free income.
$5 will not buy much.
You gotta expand beyond just my $5. Assuming the average house-person cleans 20-30 rooms a day (wild guess), if just 10 rooms leave $5 (the rest leave nothing), that's $50 in their pocket at the end of the day. Multiply that by a standard 5-day work-week, and they're bringing in $1000/month in untaxed income. That's a
lot of money for some people.
You can probably guess that tips are part of my income.
Quote from: jakeroot on October 16, 2017, 04:29:14 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 16, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 15, 2017, 10:15:34 PM
Just spent three nights at a Wyndham in Los Angeles. We tipped $5 each day before we left. Room came back looking excellent! I suspect it would have looked the same regardless, but I sleep better at night knowing that I helped a family who's probably not very rich, and could use the tax-free income.
$5 will not buy much.
You gotta expand beyond just my $5. Assuming the average house-person cleans 20-30 rooms a day (wild guess), if just 10 rooms leave $5 (the rest leave nothing), that's $50 in their pocket at the end of the day. Multiply that by a standard 5-day work-week, and they're bring in $1000/month in untaxed income. That's a lot of money for some people.
You can probably guess that tips are part of my income.
Besides which, who said $5 can't buy very much? It can buy a MEAL.
Quote from: kphoger on October 16, 2017, 04:37:36 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 16, 2017, 04:29:14 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 16, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 15, 2017, 10:15:34 PM
Just spent three nights at a Wyndham in Los Angeles. We tipped $5 each day before we left. Room came back looking excellent! I suspect it would have looked the same regardless, but I sleep better at night knowing that I helped a family who's probably not very rich, and could use the tax-free income.
$5 will not buy much.
You gotta expand beyond just my $5. Assuming the average house-person cleans 20-30 rooms a day (wild guess), if just 10 rooms leave $5 (the rest leave nothing), that's $50 in their pocket at the end of the day. Multiply that by a standard 5-day work-week, and they're bring in $1000/month in untaxed income. That's a lot of money for some people.
You can probably guess that tips are part of my income.
Besides which, who said $5 can't buy very much? It can buy a MEAL.
It buys their round-trip transportation on the bus getting to and from work, or their gas if they drive to work.
If gas is 2.50 a gallon, their car gets 25 mpg, and five bucks pays for their commute, then that would have them living 25 miles from work.
Quote from: kphoger on October 16, 2017, 09:06:04 PM
If gas is 2.50 a gallon, their car gets 25 mpg, and five bucks pays for their commute, then that would have them living 25 miles from work.
According to the FHWA, the average commute is 15 miles one-way: https://goo.gl/V5zKBX -- assuming this house-person is "average", $5 would pay for their commute, and a coffee!
Damn, $5 goes far.
It's kind of amazing how far you can stretch money if you are committed to doing so. That is, being a tightwad. I've had entire lunches that cost 48¢, for instance. Meaning that if that housekeeper were in a position where they could do that, they could buy almost 10½ lunches with that $5.
They might get sick of ramen, though.
Quote from: jakeroot on October 16, 2017, 11:38:27 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 16, 2017, 09:06:04 PM
If gas is 2.50 a gallon, their car gets 25 mpg, and five bucks pays for their commute, then that would have them living 25 miles from work.
According to the FHWA, the average commute is 15 miles one-way: https://goo.gl/V5zKBX -- assuming this house-person is "average", $5 would pay for their commute, and a coffee!
Damn, $5 goes far.
I spend over $5 on school lunch.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 08:51:08 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 16, 2017, 11:38:27 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 16, 2017, 09:06:04 PM
If gas is 2.50 a gallon, their car gets 25 mpg, and five bucks pays for their commute, then that would have them living 25 miles from work.
According to the FHWA, the average commute is 15 miles one-way: https://goo.gl/V5zKBX -- assuming this house-person is "average", $5 would pay for their commute, and a coffee!
Damn, $5 goes far.
I spend over $5 on school lunch.
But that doesn't mean $5 can't buy much. It just means you personally spend more than necessary on lunch.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 17, 2017, 05:39:54 AM
It's kind of amazing how far you can stretch money if you are committed to doing so. That is, being a tightwad. I've had entire lunches that cost 48¢, for instance. Meaning that if that housekeeper were in a position where they could do that, they could buy almost 10½ lunches with that $5.
They might get sick of ramen, though.
You can get a whole lot more than ramen for under $5 if you're careful at a grocer.
Quote from: Brandon on October 17, 2017, 01:43:42 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 17, 2017, 05:39:54 AM
It's kind of amazing how far you can stretch money if you are committed to doing so. That is, being a tightwad. I've had entire lunches that cost 48¢, for instance. Meaning that if that housekeeper were in a position where they could do that, they could buy almost 10½ lunches with that $5.
They might get sick of ramen, though.
You can get a whole lot more than ramen for under $5 if you're careful at a grocer.
There's also stuff to put IN the ramen. Which can be amazing. Onions, potatoes, these things are cheap.
If you're paying over $5 for a "school lunch" , I can't imagine that it's the kind of federally subsidized lunch that comes in a multi-section tray (like the one below). Either you're buying food items a la carte, or you're going to a private school which can charge whatever it wants. School districts set their own prices, but the average for middle school lunches nationwide is $2.54.
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Quote from: briantroutman on October 17, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
If you're paying over $5 for a "school lunch" , I can't imagine that it's the kind of federally subsidized lunch that comes in a multi-section tray (like the one below). Either you're buying food items a la carte, or you're going to a private school which can charge whatever it wants. School districts set their own prices, but the average for middle school lunches nationwide is $2.54.
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I buy double or triple lunch.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on October 17, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
If you're paying over $5 for a "school lunch" , I can't imagine that it's the kind of federally subsidized lunch that comes in a multi-section tray (like the one below). Either you're buying food items a la carte, or you're going to a private school which can charge whatever it wants. School districts set their own prices, but the average for middle school lunches nationwide is $2.54.
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I buy double or triple lunch.
Rarely bought the lunch in school (whether elementary, junior high, or high school). Usually, I brought mine with the foods I wanted and in the quantities I wanted. Wound up being cheaper as well.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on October 17, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
If you're paying over $5 for a "school lunch" , I can't imagine that it's the kind of federally subsidized lunch that comes in a multi-section tray (like the one below). Either you're buying food items a la carte, or you're going to a private school which can charge whatever it wants. School districts set their own prices, but the average for middle school lunches nationwide is $2.54.
I buy double or triple lunch.
Steady on, RGT. You may regret that decision when your metabolism slows.
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on October 17, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
If you're paying over $5 for a "school lunch" , I can't imagine that it's the kind of federally subsidized lunch that comes in a multi-section tray (like the one below). Either you're buying food items a la carte, or you're going to a private school which can charge whatever it wants. School districts set their own prices, but the average for middle school lunches nationwide is $2.54.
I buy double or triple lunch.
Steady on, RGT. You may regret that decision when your metabolism slows.
I don't get tons of junk food.
Lunch for high school students in Seattle public schools is $3.25, or free if income qualified for free lunch. The lunches are prepared in a central kitchen so they're a bit less fresh than the meal tray Briantroutman pictured.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 06:56:14 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on October 17, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
If you're paying over $5 for a "school lunch" , I can't imagine that it's the kind of federally subsidized lunch that comes in a multi-section tray (like the one below). Either you're buying food items a la carte, or you're going to a private school which can charge whatever it wants. School districts set their own prices, but the average for middle school lunches nationwide is $2.54.
I buy double or triple lunch.
Steady on, RGT. You may regret that decision when your metabolism slows.
I don't get tons of junk food.
Too much of anything can spell danger. But I'm glad to hear you aren't just plowing through Pop Tarts and brownies.
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 06:56:14 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on October 17, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
If you're paying over $5 for a "school lunch" , I can't imagine that it's the kind of federally subsidized lunch that comes in a multi-section tray (like the one below). Either you're buying food items a la carte, or you're going to a private school which can charge whatever it wants. School districts set their own prices, but the average for middle school lunches nationwide is $2.54.
I buy double or triple lunch.
Steady on, RGT. You may regret that decision when your metabolism slows.
I don't get tons of junk food.
Too much of anything can spell danger. But I'm glad to hear you aren't just plowing through Pop Tarts and brownies.
How healthy are peanut butter and jelly sandwiches?
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 06:56:14 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on October 17, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
If you're paying over $5 for a "school lunch" , I can't imagine that it's the kind of federally subsidized lunch that comes in a multi-section tray (like the one below). Either you're buying food items a la carte, or you're going to a private school which can charge whatever it wants. School districts set their own prices, but the average for middle school lunches nationwide is $2.54.
I buy double or triple lunch.
Steady on, RGT. You may regret that decision when your metabolism slows.
I don't get tons of junk food.
Too much of anything can spell danger. But I'm glad to hear you aren't just plowing through Pop Tarts and brownies.
How healthy are peanut butter and jelly sandwiches?
Not that bad but I think they're atrocious regardless.
Does your school sell PB&J sandwiches or do you bring them? My schools never sold such sandwhiches (most meals were cooked items).
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 06:56:14 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on October 17, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
If you're paying over $5 for a "school lunch" , I can't imagine that it's the kind of federally subsidized lunch that comes in a multi-section tray (like the one below). Either you're buying food items a la carte, or you're going to a private school which can charge whatever it wants. School districts set their own prices, but the average for middle school lunches nationwide is $2.54.
I buy double or triple lunch.
Steady on, RGT. You may regret that decision when your metabolism slows.
I don't get tons of junk food.
Too much of anything can spell danger. But I'm glad to hear you aren't just plowing through Pop Tarts and brownies.
How healthy are peanut butter and jelly sandwiches?
Whole wheat bread is pretty good for you, but simple white bread converts to sugar very easily. Jelly is basically sugar in a jar. You're better off eating plain peanut butter.
(This is from a guy who eats a PBJ, a boiled egg, and cookies every day at work for lunch, but that's just because I'm cheap.)
I would be surprised if any schools allow kids to bring PB&J sandwiches from home anymore, much less provide them as part of lunch, because of peanut allergies.
We had PB sandwiches (no J) served with chili or vegetable soup when I was in school.
Peanut butter and syrup (as in Karo syrup) sandwiches are popular around here, but I don't like them, nor do I care for PB&J. I'll take my PB straight, and often eaten straight from the jar.
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 10:44:39 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 06:56:14 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on October 17, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
If you're paying over $5 for a "school lunch" , I can't imagine that it's the kind of federally subsidized lunch that comes in a multi-section tray (like the one below). Either you're buying food items a la carte, or you're going to a private school which can charge whatever it wants. School districts set their own prices, but the average for middle school lunches nationwide is $2.54.
I buy double or triple lunch.
Steady on, RGT. You may regret that decision when your metabolism slows.
I don't get tons of junk food.
Too much of anything can spell danger. But I'm glad to hear you aren't just plowing through Pop Tarts and brownies.
How healthy are peanut butter and jelly sandwiches?
Not that bad but I think they're atrocious regardless.
Does your school sell PB&J sandwiches or do you bring them? My schools never sold such sandwhiches (most meals were cooked items).
They sell them.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 18, 2017, 02:09:15 PM
I would be surprised if any schools allow kids to bring PB&J sandwiches from home anymore, much less provide them as part of lunch, because of peanut allergies.
We had PB sandwiches (no J) served with chili or vegetable soup when I was in school.
Peanut butter and syrup (as in Karo syrup) sandwiches are popular around here, but I don't like them, nor do I care for PB&J. I'll take my PB straight, and often eaten straight from the jar.
I am in high school, not elementry school you know.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 18, 2017, 05:47:36 PM
I am in high school, not [elementary] school you know.
Your consistent spelling errors indicate otherwise.
Quote from: jakeroot on October 18, 2017, 05:52:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 18, 2017, 05:47:36 PM
I am in high school, not [elementary] school you know.
Your consistent spelling errors indicate otherwise.
I have made a recent effort to fix spelling errors.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 18, 2017, 05:58:19 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 18, 2017, 05:52:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 18, 2017, 05:47:36 PM
I am in high school, not [elementary] school you know.
Your consistent spelling errors indicate otherwise.
I have made a recent effort to fix spelling errors.
Was a bit of a low-blow on my part, there. Sorry. Good on you for making a concerted effort. Not sure why spelling bothers so many of us.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 18, 2017, 05:47:36 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 10:44:39 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 10:29:43 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 09:41:42 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 06:56:14 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 17, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 17, 2017, 02:46:50 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on October 17, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
If you're paying over $5 for a "school lunch" , I can't imagine that it's the kind of federally subsidized lunch that comes in a multi-section tray (like the one below). Either you're buying food items a la carte, or you're going to a private school which can charge whatever it wants. School districts set their own prices, but the average for middle school lunches nationwide is $2.54.
I buy double or triple lunch.
Steady on, RGT. You may regret that decision when your metabolism slows.
I don't get tons of junk food.
Too much of anything can spell danger. But I'm glad to hear you aren't just plowing through Pop Tarts and brownies.
How healthy are peanut butter and jelly sandwiches?
Not that bad but I think they're atrocious regardless.
Does your school sell PB&J sandwiches or do you bring them? My schools never sold such sandwhiches (most meals were cooked items).
They sell them. Quote from: hbelkins on October 18, 2017, 02:09:15 PM
I would be surprised if any schools allow kids to bring PB&J sandwiches from home anymore, much less provide them as part of lunch, because of peanut allergies.
We had PB sandwiches (no J) served with chili or vegetable soup when I was in school.
Peanut butter and syrup (as in Karo syrup) sandwiches are popular around here, but I don't like them, nor do I care for PB&J. I'll take my PB straight, and often eaten straight from the jar.
I am in high school, not elementry school you know.
And HS kids don't have allergies?
My daughter would have starved. She brought a pb sandwich to school almost every day.
By high school, kids with peanut allergies have been diagnosed and make a huge point of it. They no longer have to ban peanuts just in case someone has a serious allergy who hasn't let them know.
Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2017, 09:36:21 AMYou're better off eating plain peanut butter.
PB's extremely calorific - not just from the 20% carbs (with twice the sugar to starch), but the 50% fat too.
I'm not sure why calories from fat should be ignored and sugar be treated as the only evil (not least as Jaime 'fatty' Oliver's crusade against sugar in the UK hasn't improved anything and created other problems). PB is no better than jelly.
Plus, a PB&J doesn't have that much jelly (or PB) so the teaspoon of sugar from the fillings are fine - providing you aren't eating tons of sugar elsewhere: moderation is the key, as always.
My understanding of nutrition as a science–which is still very much in its infancy, so I may be wrong here–is that calories from fat are better than those from carbs because they are more satiating than those from carbs, and also promote the absorption of nutrients. You're more likely to stay full longer from 100 calories of fat than 100 calories of sugar, so your total calories consumed is likely to stay lower since you won't need to eat again as quickly. Of course, calories from protein are probably the best.
Quote from: briantroutman on October 17, 2017, 02:01:43 PM
If you're paying over $5 for a "school lunch" , I can't imagine that it's the kind of federally subsidized lunch that comes in a multi-section tray (like the one below). Either you're buying food items a la carte, or you're going to a private school which can charge whatever it wants. School districts set their own prices, but the average for middle school lunches nationwide is $2.54.
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No protein. Uggh.
Quote from: english si on October 19, 2017, 03:52:29 AM
Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2017, 09:36:21 AMYou're better off eating plain peanut butter.
PB's extremely calorific - not just from the 20% carbs (with twice the sugar to starch), but the 50% fat too.
I'm not sure why calories from fat should be ignored and sugar be treated as the only evil (not least as Jaime 'fatty' Oliver's crusade against sugar in the UK hasn't improved anything and created other problems). PB is no better than jelly.
Plus, a PB&J doesn't have that much jelly (or PB) so the teaspoon of sugar from the fillings are fine - providing you aren't eating tons of sugar elsewhere: moderation is the key, as always.
While I've always liked PB, I probably eat more today than I ever did as a kid. Most days when I get home from work I'll have a slice of bread and PB. Maybe 2...if I'm real hungry.
I was also one of the few kids that got lunch as school...Every. Single. Day. I never brought it, and I'm not saying maybe once in a while - I'm saying Never! I also had a tendency to like whatever offering was available at school. My mom will often note during a specific parent-child luncheon one day the chicken the cafeteria served was awful. No one ate it...except me! I probably had no clue there was nothing wrong with it. And that's still me today - If it's in front of me, I'll probably eat it!
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 07:22:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 06:57:36 AM
No protein. Uggh.
I mean, there's milk, but...
There actually are minimal amounts of protein in milk and spaghetti and a few other non-meat, non-poultry, non-egg foods, but very minimal.
I don't really recall exactly what was in my school lunches (that would have been in the 1960s and early 1970s), but I do recall substantial meat/protein items such as ham, hamburger, and eggs.
Quote from: english si on October 19, 2017, 03:52:29 AM
PB's extremely calorific - not just from the 20% carbs (with twice the sugar to starch), but the 50% fat too.
Yes, and if that wasn't enough, almost all commercially sold peanut butter in the U.S. has added sugar besides.
Quote from: jakeroot on October 18, 2017, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 18, 2017, 05:58:19 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 18, 2017, 05:52:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 18, 2017, 05:47:36 PM
I am in high school, not [elementary] school you know.
Your consistent spelling errors indicate otherwise.
I have made a recent effort to fix spelling errors.
Was a bit of a low-blow on my part, there. Sorry. Good on you for making a concerted effort. Not sure why spelling bothers so many of us.
It's because people who care about highway stripes, numbering schemes, kerning, regulations, etc, etc... tend to be anal-retentive sticklers.
Quote from: kphoger on October 19, 2017, 01:43:10 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 18, 2017, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 18, 2017, 05:58:19 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 18, 2017, 05:52:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 18, 2017, 05:47:36 PM
I am in high school, not [elementary] school you know.
Your consistent spelling errors indicate otherwise.
I have made a recent effort to fix spelling errors.
Was a bit of a low-blow on my part, there. Sorry. Good on you for making a concerted effort. Not sure why spelling bothers so many of us.
It's because people who care about highway stripes, numbering schemes, kerning, regulations, etc, etc... tend to be anal-retentive sticklers.
... sticklers who tend to answer rhetorical questions. ;)
Quote from: kkt on October 19, 2017, 02:27:12 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 19, 2017, 01:43:10 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 18, 2017, 06:03:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 18, 2017, 05:58:19 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 18, 2017, 05:52:49 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 18, 2017, 05:47:36 PM
I am in high school, not [elementary] school you know.
Your consistent spelling errors indicate otherwise.
I have made a recent effort to fix spelling errors.
Was a bit of a low-blow on my part, there. Sorry. Good on you for making a concerted effort. Not sure why spelling bothers so many of us.
It's because people who care about highway stripes, numbering schemes, kerning, regulations, etc, etc... tend to be anal-retentive sticklers.
... sticklers who tend to answer rhetorical questions. ;)
I should have gone with my original "anal sticklers." Then your reply would have been a sleazy pun instead of a jab to the gut. :bigass:
Looking at a jar of peanut butter right now. Serving size 2 tablespoons, 16g of fat, 0 cholesterol, 140mg sugar, 6g carbs, 7g protein.
Ingredients: selected roasted peanuts, sugar, hydrogenated vegetable oil (cottonseed and/or rapeseed oil), salt, molasses. Contains: Peanuts.
Well, duh. Who would ever think that peanut butter contains peanuts? Besides, peanuts aren't really nuts. They're legumes and are more like beans than they are walnuts or chestnuts or hazelnuts.
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 12:28:23 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 07:22:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 06:57:36 AM
No protein. Uggh.
I mean, there's milk, but...
There actually are minimal amounts of protein in milk and spaghetti and a few other non-meat, non-poultry, non-egg foods, but very minimal.
The brand of milk I drink has 13g per cup of protein (25% DV). Wouldn't exactly call that minimal, although Oklahoma has access to better milk than the rest of the country...
Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2017, 04:18:47 PM
Well, duh. Who would ever think that peanut butter contains peanuts?
Labeling laws that are needed for people who might get sick if something doesn't obviously contain peanuts don't include exceptions for foods that obviously include peanuts.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 12:28:23 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 07:22:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 06:57:36 AM
No protein. Uggh.
I mean, there's milk, but...
There actually are minimal amounts of protein in milk and spaghetti and a few other non-meat, non-poultry, non-egg foods, but very minimal.
The brand of milk I drink has 13g per cup of protein (25% DV). Wouldn't exactly call that minimal, although Oklahoma has access to better milk than the rest of the country...
Certain brands of food can have higher than normal amounts of protein.
A cup of Special K Protein cereal, 1.9 oz., 190 calories, has 12 grams of protein.
Most cereal has very little protein.
I doubt that the milk on that lunch tray has any significant amount of protein in it. Standard milk doesn't.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 19, 2017, 09:39:25 AM
Quote from: english si on October 19, 2017, 03:52:29 AM
Quote from: kphoger on October 18, 2017, 09:36:21 AMYou're better off eating plain peanut butter.
PB's extremely calorific - not just from the 20% carbs (with twice the sugar to starch), but the 50% fat too.
I'm not sure why calories from fat should be ignored and sugar be treated as the only evil (not least as Jaime 'fatty' Oliver's crusade against sugar in the UK hasn't improved anything and created other problems). PB is no better than jelly.
Plus, a PB&J doesn't have that much jelly (or PB) so the teaspoon of sugar from the fillings are fine - providing you aren't eating tons of sugar elsewhere: moderation is the key, as always.
While I've always liked PB, I probably eat more today than I ever did as a kid. Most days when I get home from work I'll have a slice of bread and PB. Maybe 2...if I'm real hungry.
I was also one of the few kids that got lunch as school...Every. Single. Day. I never brought it, and I'm not saying maybe once in a while - I'm saying Never! I also had a tendency to like whatever offering was available at school. My mom will often note during a specific parent-child luncheon one day the chicken the cafeteria served was awful. No one ate it...except me! I probably had no clue there was nothing wrong with it. And that's still me today - If it's in front of me, I'll probably eat it!
About 3/4 of the kids at my school buy lunch.
This thread could be nominated for "most off-topic relative to original topic".
This was the point where it all went south:
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 16, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 15, 2017, 10:15:34 PM
Just spent three nights at a Wyndham in Los Angeles. We tipped $5 each day before we left. Room came back looking excellent! I suspect it would have looked the same regardless, but I sleep better at night knowing that I helped a family who's probably not very rich, and could use the tax-free income.
$5 will not buy much.
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 06:28:09 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 12:28:23 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 07:22:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 06:57:36 AM
No protein. Uggh.
I mean, there's milk, but...
There actually are minimal amounts of protein in milk and spaghetti and a few other non-meat, non-poultry, non-egg foods, but very minimal.
The brand of milk I drink has 13g per cup of protein (25% DV). Wouldn't exactly call that minimal, although Oklahoma has access to better milk than the rest of the country...
Certain brands of food can have higher than normal amounts of protein.
A cup of Special K Protein cereal, 1.9 oz., 190 calories, has 12 grams of protein.
Most cereal has very little protein.
I doubt that the milk on that lunch tray has any significant amount of protein in it. Standard milk doesn't.
Kroger's nutrition statement is online: 8 oz. of 1% milkfat milk contains 8 grams of protein. Not enough for the day by any means, but it's something.
Quote from: kkt on October 19, 2017, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 06:28:09 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 12:28:23 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 07:22:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 06:57:36 AM
No protein. Uggh.
I mean, there's milk, but...
There actually are minimal amounts of protein in milk and spaghetti and a few other non-meat, non-poultry, non-egg foods, but very minimal.
The brand of milk I drink has 13g per cup of protein (25% DV). Wouldn't exactly call that minimal, although Oklahoma has access to better milk than the rest of the country...
Certain brands of food can have higher than normal amounts of protein.
A cup of Special K Protein cereal, 1.9 oz., 190 calories, has 12 grams of protein.
Most cereal has very little protein.
I doubt that the milk on that lunch tray has any significant amount of protein in it. Standard milk doesn't.
Kroger's nutrition statement is online: 8 oz. of 1% milkfat milk contains 8 grams of protein. Not enough for the day by any means, but it's something.
What about that milk in the glass on that lunch tray?
Quote from: kkt on October 13, 2017, 02:19:54 PM
Tipping in cash while paying the bill on the credit card is not only to help the server underreport their income. Cash tips go to the server immediately. A tip on the credit card is in limbo at least until the business gets reimbursed by the credit card company at the end of the month. And businesses skim a portion of the credit card reimbursement, at least for the fee the credit card charges them, possibly more.
Many restaurants do not operate this way though. For the ones in our hotel, whatever total value of tips charged on the credit card or the room charge is paid out to the server out of their cash collected. So if the server takes in $100 in cash payments and is owed $25 in tips applied to credit cards or included into a charge transferred to the room, then the server keeps $25 out of his/her cash and drops the remaining $75 in the safe at the end of the shift. (If the numbers were reversed, $100 in tips owed on $25 collected, the server keeps the $25 and gets $75 paid out by the front desk before leaving.)
In short, you can't generalize that all credit card tips are delayed.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 13, 2017, 11:52:53 PM
I would guess that most hotels/motels don't change the bedding every night unless the occupant of the room is going to be someone different. Does anyone change their bedding every day at home? I wouldn't think so.
The standard at our hotel is that after your first night staying, your room is a "make", and then it's a "change" after the second, alternating for the rest of your stay. A "make" room is made up with the existing sheets on the bed, exchanging any towels left on the floor. A "change" room has the bedding changed and the towels exchanged. All rooms are completely serviced after a check out.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 19, 2017, 04:18:47 PM
Looking at a jar of peanut butter right now. Serving size 2 tablespoons, 16g of fat, 0 cholesterol, 140mg sugar, 6g carbs, 7g protein.
Ingredients: selected roasted peanuts, sugar, hydrogenated vegetable oil (cottonseed and/or rapeseed oil), salt, molasses. Contains: Peanuts.
Well, duh. Who would ever think that peanut butter contains peanuts? Besides, peanuts aren't really nuts. They're legumes and are more like beans than they are walnuts or chestnuts or hazelnuts.
Another example of paranoid lawyers at work trying to minimize lawsuits. Think peanut allergies - which IMO are now a problem with many in the younger generation because many in the older generation ate processed peanut butter on processed white bread when they were growing up.
Quote from: jakeroot on October 19, 2017, 07:36:01 PM
This thread could be nominated for "most off-topic relative to original topic".
This was the point where it all went south:
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on October 16, 2017, 04:07:30 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on October 15, 2017, 10:15:34 PM
Just spent three nights at a Wyndham in Los Angeles. We tipped $5 each day before we left. Room came back looking excellent! I suspect it would have looked the same regardless, but I sleep better at night knowing that I helped a family who's probably not very rich, and could use the tax-free income.
$5 will not buy much.
Thank you! I was just catching up on reading this topic and was like WTF?! I was going to raise hell once I read all the posts I hadn't seen since my last visit, but you called them out before I could. Still, they want to steer off-topic, although bulldog also attempted to get somewhat back on topic.
Quote from: bulldog1979 on October 19, 2017, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 13, 2017, 11:52:53 PM
I would guess that most hotels/motels don't change the bedding every night unless the occupant of the room is going to be someone different. Does anyone change their bedding every day at home? I wouldn't think so.
The standard at our hotel is that after your first night staying, your room is a "make", and then it's a "change" after the second, alternating for the rest of your stay. A "make" room is made up with the existing sheets on the bed, exchanging any towels left on the floor. A "change" room has the bedding changed and the towels exchanged. All rooms are completely serviced after a check out.
Towels exchanged -- do you mean that only the used towels are changed out for fresh ones, or all towels, including those that were not used, are swapped out?
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: kkt on October 19, 2017, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 06:28:09 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 12:28:23 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 07:22:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 06:57:36 AM
No protein. Uggh.
I mean, there's milk, but...
There actually are minimal amounts of protein in milk and spaghetti and a few other non-meat, non-poultry, non-egg foods, but very minimal.
The brand of milk I drink has 13g per cup of protein (25% DV). Wouldn't exactly call that minimal, although Oklahoma has access to better milk than the rest of the country...
Certain brands of food can have higher than normal amounts of protein.
A cup of Special K Protein cereal, 1.9 oz., 190 calories, has 12 grams of protein.
Most cereal has very little protein.
I doubt that the milk on that lunch tray has any significant amount of protein in it. Standard milk doesn't.
Kroger's nutrition statement is online: 8 oz. of 1% milkfat milk contains 8 grams of protein. Not enough for the day by any means, but it's something.
What about that milk in the glass on that lunch tray?
How do I know? Google for yourself.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 20, 2017, 11:57:27 AM
Quote from: bulldog1979 on October 19, 2017, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 13, 2017, 11:52:53 PM
I would guess that most hotels/motels don't change the bedding every night unless the occupant of the room is going to be someone different. Does anyone change their bedding every day at home? I wouldn't think so.
The standard at our hotel is that after your first night staying, your room is a "make", and then it's a "change" after the second, alternating for the rest of your stay. A "make" room is made up with the existing sheets on the bed, exchanging any towels left on the floor. A "change" room has the bedding changed and the towels exchanged. All rooms are completely serviced after a check out.
Towels exchanged -- do you mean that only the used towels are changed out for fresh ones, or all towels, including those that were not used, are swapped out?
The general rule in hotels/motels I've stayed at is that only the towels left on the bathroom floor will be changed out. Those towels that are hung up, or remain unused in the racks/holders, will not be replaced.
Quote from: kkt on October 20, 2017, 12:03:34 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: kkt on October 19, 2017, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 06:28:09 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 12:28:23 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 07:22:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 06:57:36 AM
No protein. Uggh.
I mean, there's milk, but...
There actually are minimal amounts of protein in milk and spaghetti and a few other non-meat, non-poultry, non-egg foods, but very minimal.
The brand of milk I drink has 13g per cup of protein (25% DV). Wouldn't exactly call that minimal, although Oklahoma has access to better milk than the rest of the country...
Certain brands of food can have higher than normal amounts of protein.
A cup of Special K Protein cereal, 1.9 oz., 190 calories, has 12 grams of protein.
Most cereal has very little protein.
I doubt that the milk on that lunch tray has any significant amount of protein in it. Standard milk doesn't.
Kroger's nutrition statement is online: 8 oz. of 1% milkfat milk contains 8 grams of protein. Not enough for the day by any means, but it's something.
What about the milk in the glass on that lunch tray?
How do I know? Google for yourself.
The brand of the milk on the lunch tray is not cited.
Quote from: Beltway on October 20, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
Quote from: kkt on October 20, 2017, 12:03:34 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 09:29:17 PM
Quote from: kkt on October 19, 2017, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 06:28:09 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 04:21:27 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 12:28:23 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 19, 2017, 07:22:17 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 19, 2017, 06:57:36 AM
No protein. Uggh.
I mean, there's milk, but...
There actually are minimal amounts of protein in milk and spaghetti and a few other non-meat, non-poultry, non-egg foods, but very minimal.
The brand of milk I drink has 13g per cup of protein (25% DV). Wouldn't exactly call that minimal, although Oklahoma has access to better milk than the rest of the country...
Certain brands of food can have higher than normal amounts of protein.
A cup of Special K Protein cereal, 1.9 oz., 190 calories, has 12 grams of protein.
Most cereal has very little protein.
I doubt that the milk on that lunch tray has any significant amount of protein in it. Standard milk doesn't.
Kroger's nutrition statement is online: 8 oz. of 1% milkfat milk contains 8 grams of protein. Not enough for the day by any means, but it's something.
What about the milk in the glass on that lunch tray?
How do I know? Google for yourself.
The brand of the milk on the lunch tray is not cited.
That would be why I looked up a brand of milk that had its nutrition statement on the web.
Quote from: Beltway on October 20, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
The brand of the milk on the lunch tray is not cited.
School lunch. Are you sure it's milk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovfM7dvFto0
Quote from: roadman on October 20, 2017, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 20, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
The brand of the milk on the lunch tray is not cited.
School lunch. Are you sure it's milk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovfM7dvFto0
No telling! I wouldn't assume anything about what was on that lunch tray.
Quote from: Beltway on October 20, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
The brand of the milk on the lunch tray is not cited.
Milk is milk and the percentages of milkfat, protein, etc, only vary by grade (skim, 1%, 2%, etc). Why should the "brand" of milk even matter?
In that, milk is like gasoline.
Quote from: Brandon on October 20, 2017, 02:34:03 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 20, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
The brand of the milk on the lunch tray is not cited.
Milk is milk and the percentages of milkfat, protein, etc, only vary by grade (skim, 1%, 2%, etc). Why should the "brand" of milk even matter?
In that, milk is like gasoline.
It's really not. Kroger's milk apparently has 8g protein per cup, Braum's (which has its own dairy farm and a fairly unique processing system) is 13g. That's a pretty big difference.
Quote from: Scott5114 on October 20, 2017, 02:37:47 PM
Quote from: Brandon on October 20, 2017, 02:34:03 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 20, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
The brand of the milk on the lunch tray is not cited.
Milk is milk and the percentages of milkfat, protein, etc, only vary by grade (skim, 1%, 2%, etc). Why should the "brand" of milk even matter?
In that, milk is like gasoline.
It's really not. Kroger's milk apparently has 8g protein per cup, Braum's (which has its own dairy farm and a fairly unique processing system) is 13g. That's a pretty big difference.
Nevertheless, if milk has the only protein on your lunch tray, you are not getting meaningful amounts of protein.
Quote from: Beltway on October 20, 2017, 01:09:28 PM
Quote from: roadman on October 20, 2017, 12:59:21 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 20, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
The brand of the milk on the lunch tray is not cited.
School lunch. Are you sure it's milk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovfM7dvFto0
No telling! I wouldn't assume anything about what was on that lunch tray.
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