My sincerest wishes to anybody affected in the shootings in Las Vegas that happened last night.
If you haven't heard the news yet, here you go:
NY Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/02/us/las-vegas-shooting-live-updates.html)
(Copied from my own post at the Ames Forum)
http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-shooting-death-toll-rises-59-apparent/story?id=50223240
Update 59 people are now declared dead in the Vegas mass shooting.
http://www.ktnv.com/news/national/authorities-recover-42-guns-from-gunman-s-hotel-room-house
Update 42 guns recovered from the scene apparently?
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/two-nevada-gun-shops-say-stephen-paddock-passed-background-checks-n806921
More Updates
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooting-suspect-identified-n806471
http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-police-officer-and-coach-remembered-after-mass-shooting
One of the victims of the Mass Shooting in Las Vegas was a Police officer from the city.
http://www.ktnv.com/news/las-vegas-shooting/former-police-officer-transports-victim-to-hospital-after-mass-shooting
Just a note: the shootings were in the neighboring suburb of Paradise, not in Las Vegas proper.
Quote from: 1 on October 03, 2017, 07:21:50 AM
Just a note: the shootings were in the neighboring suburb of Paradise, not in Las Vegas proper.
Yes that true Paradise,NV is where the shootings took place though.
Quote from: bing101 on October 03, 2017, 07:07:17 AM
One of the victims of the Mass Shooting in Las Vegas was a Police officer from the city.
Oh shit. Now it's a tragedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-4T77H4RtQ
Paradise, NV in better times.
Note 6:30 of this roadgeek video includes the scene where the Mass Shooting originated from the Mandalay Bay.
This is a horrifying catastrophe. If I heard a source correctly, this is
the deadliest or one of the deadliest massacres in American history. :-o :no:
I never would have ever seen a tragedy like this coming. The whole thing has surprised me immensely. I was watching the news, and the footage was heartbreaking and terrifying. It sounds like the perpetrator has, as of now, unknown motives for the act. I believe it was said that the man has no strong political or religious views that could have motivated the act - if he did, we have no clue what they were. However, if I heard correctly, it seems like his father was a psychopath and on FBI's Most Wanted or something of the sort. The man himself was a multi-millionare, IIRC. I heard there was tough security at the concert itself, but there was no way to prepare for automatic shooting coming from the top of a hotel a little bit away from the concert with all the people. This is truly tragic indeed. :-(
Quote from: bing101 on October 03, 2017, 11:56:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-4T77H4RtQ
Paradise, NV in better times.
To end my post on a positive and less depressing note, I thank you very much, bing101, for showing us that road video. It was an interesting watch!! :nod:
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 03, 2017, 12:25:03 PM
This is a horrifying catastrophe. If I heard a source correctly, this is the deadliest or one of the deadliest massacres in American history. :-o :no:
I never would have ever seen a tragedy like this coming. The whole thing has surprised me immensely. I was watching the news, and the footage was heartbreaking and terrifying. It sounds like the perpetrator has, as of now, unknown motives for the act. I believe it was said that the man has no strong political or religious views that could have motivated the act - if he did, we have no clue what they were. However, if I heard correctly, it seems like his father was a psychopath and on FBI's Most Wanted or something of the sort. The man himself was a multi-millionare, IIRC. I heard there was tough security at the concert itself, but there was no way to prepare for automatic shooting coming from the top of a hotel a little bit away from the concert with all the people. This is truly tragic indeed. :-(
Quote from: bing101 on October 03, 2017, 11:56:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-4T77H4RtQ
Paradise, NV in better times.
To end my post on a positive and less depressing note, I thank you very much, bing101, for showing us that road video. It was an interesting watch!! :nod:
Apparently the Mass Shooting in Las Vegas aka Paradise,NV has more victims than even the Orlando Mass Shooting in 2016.
One of the people killed was from my town. Have some friends that knew her. Sucks.
Also, if I attacked a particular person in this thread for making wise cracks about this, what are my chances of sticking in this forum?
Quote from: SectorZ on October 03, 2017, 02:28:35 PM
One of the people killed was from my town. Have some friends that knew her. Sucks.
Also, if I attacked a particular person in this thread for making wise cracks about this, what are my chances of sticking in this forum?
your actions would be frowned upon. :angry:
Quote from: SectorZ on October 03, 2017, 02:28:35 PM
One of the people killed was from my town. Have some friends that knew her. Sucks.
Also, if I attacked a particular person in this thread for making wise cracks about this, what are my chances of sticking in this forum?
If it's the certain person who I think it is, then I think you'll be fine.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/03/father-shot-neck-saves-dozens-las-vegas-shooting/726768001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/10/03/father-shot-neck-saves-dozens-las-vegas-shooting/726768001/)
Update one of the victims of the Las Vegas Shooting was credited for rescuing other concert goers' in the Chaos.
http://www.kcra.com/article/cameron-park-man-killed-in-las-vegas-mass-shooting/12769135
A Cameron Park, CA person has been identified as one of the victims of the Vegas shooting and now
http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-shooting-marilou-danley-shooters-girlfriend/story?id=50260200
Now a person of interest is being mentioned here over what role she had in the planning of the mass shooting.
Quote from: Brandon on October 03, 2017, 05:00:30 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on October 03, 2017, 02:28:35 PM
One of the people killed was from my town. Have some friends that knew her. Sucks.
Also, if I attacked a particular person in this thread for making wise cracks about this, what are my chances of sticking in this forum?
If it's the certain person who I think it is, then I think you'll be fine.
Unlike that person, I will rise above and let their idiocy speak for itself.
:-( :-( :-( RIP
http://news.abs-cbn.com/overseas/10/04/17/gunman-sent-100000-to-philippines-before-las-vegas-shooting
Update apparently news outlets in Las Vegas and the Philippines are saying that the mass shooter was sending money to the Philippines but motive is still under investigation according to Las Vegas Police.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-vegas-shooting/las-vegas-shooter-wired-100-000-philippines-last-week-n807141
Now NBC News is saying something similar about this new clue.
First of all, RIP to all the victims.
Secondly, I'm surprised no one on this board mentioned it was the Route 91 Harvest Festival.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-paddock-room-hotel-lollapalooza-2017/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-paddock-room-hotel-lollapalooza-2017/)
Update reportedly the mass murderer was going to do a Mass shooting in Chicago and Boston too?
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/local-news/las-vegas-gunman-planned-escape-sheriff-says/826472685
Its sad but some heroics like two men who laid their lives down for their wives. One couple was there at the Route 91 Festival (glad they remember the ole highway despite it gone for decades) celebrating their one year anniversary and the hubby shielded his wife from the gunfire and lost his for her. I thought that was very touching.
Too bad Fox, CNN, and all the biggies are not featuring these little stories as the investigation, Hillary's tweets and rants on the gun control issue, and Trump's whatever he is doing or not doing and the NFL flag thing take the headlines.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 05, 2017, 08:28:51 PM
Its sad but some heroics like two men who laid their lives down for their wives. One couple was there at the Route 91 Festival (glad they remember the ole highway despite it gone for decades) celebrating their one year anniversary and the hubby shielded his wife from the gunfire and lost his for her. I thought that was very touching.
Too bad Fox, CNN, and all the biggies are not featuring these little stories as the investigation, Hillary's tweets and rants on the gun control issue, and Trump's whatever he is doing or not doing and the NFL flag thing take the headlines.
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/local-news/hero-who-saved-30-people-reunited-with-officer-who-saved-him/826772181
The Local Las Vegas TV stations has identified some of the Heroes of the Mass Shooting.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 05, 2017, 08:28:51 PM
Its sad but some heroics like two men who laid their lives down for their wives. One couple was there at the Route 91 Festival (glad they remember the ole highway despite it gone for decades) celebrating their one year anniversary and the hubby shielded his wife from the gunfire and lost his for her. I thought that was very touching.
Too bad Fox, CNN, and all the biggies are not featuring these little stories as the investigation, Hillary's tweets and rants on the gun control issue, and Trump's whatever he is doing or not doing and the NFL flag thing take the headlines.
That is so sad. :-(
I'm very pissed that the conspirisheep came out almost immediately with the "government coverup-false flag" bullshit.
It shouldn't surprise me at this point.
I hate conspirisheep.
Quote from: bing101 on October 05, 2017, 07:54:54 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-paddock-room-hotel-lollapalooza-2017/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-paddock-room-hotel-lollapalooza-2017/)
Update reportedly the mass murderer was going to do a Mass shooting in Chicago and Boston too?
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/local-news/las-vegas-gunman-planned-escape-sheriff-says/826472685
No, authorities CLAIM the mass murderer was considering Chicago and Boston as possible targets, but apparently discounted them for unknown reasons. Big difference there.
And a pro tip for anyone following things like this where the media is grasping at straws to keep the story alive. If you see phrases like "The official was not authorized to discuss the case publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity after being briefed on the investigation", just ignore what they're reporting. Why? Because you're dealing with a media outlet engaging in insider trading. May be legal per the First Amendment, but its sole purpose is to boost media profits, and IMO is highly unethical.
Quote from: bing101 on October 02, 2017, 10:21:10 PM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-shooting-death-toll-rises-59-apparent/story?id=50223240
Update 59 people are now declared dead in the Vegas mass shooting.
Wow.
Quote from: inkyatari on October 06, 2017, 10:05:53 AM
I'm very pissed that the conspirisheep came out almost immediately with the "government coverup-false flag" bullshit.
It shouldn't surprise me at this point.
I hate conspirisheep.
Alex Jones again. Why is that shocking when he's been sued by two companies like Comet Ping pong and Chobani their attorneys went after Jones for spreading false allegations to these two companies specifically.
http://www.newsweek.com/alex-jones-deep-state-behind-las-vegas-attack-676016
This article by Newsweek backs your argument here about Alex Jones allegations on the Strip mass shooting.
Quote from: roadman on October 06, 2017, 10:17:07 AM
Quote from: bing101 on October 05, 2017, 07:54:54 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-paddock-room-hotel-lollapalooza-2017/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-paddock-room-hotel-lollapalooza-2017/)
Update reportedly the mass murderer was going to do a Mass shooting in Chicago and Boston too?
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/local-news/las-vegas-gunman-planned-escape-sheriff-says/826472685
No, authorities CLAIM the mass murderer was considering Chicago and Boston as possible targets, but apparently discounted them for unknown reasons. Big difference there.
And a pro tip for anyone following things like this where the media is grasping at straws to keep the story alive. If you see phrases like "The official was not authorized to discuss the case publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity after being briefed on the investigation", just ignore what they're reporting. Why? Because you're dealing with a media outlet engaging in insider trading. May be legal per the First Amendment, but its sole purpose is to boost media profits, and IMO is highly unethical.
Well I noticed that the national news looked Chicago and Boston too for some reason and they later said that mass murderer never went there but supposedly got a room there. Well all we know at this point is that downtown districts of large cities are going to have to reconsider how security is done during special events and sporting events.
Quote from: bing101 on October 06, 2017, 11:41:00 AM
Quote from: roadman on October 06, 2017, 10:17:07 AM
Quote from: bing101 on October 05, 2017, 07:54:54 PM
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-paddock-room-hotel-lollapalooza-2017/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/stephen-paddock-room-hotel-lollapalooza-2017/)
Update reportedly the mass murderer was going to do a Mass shooting in Chicago and Boston too?
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/news/local-news/las-vegas-gunman-planned-escape-sheriff-says/826472685
No, authorities CLAIM the mass murderer was considering Chicago and Boston as possible targets, but apparently discounted them for unknown reasons. Big difference there.
And a pro tip for anyone following things like this where the media is grasping at straws to keep the story alive. If you see phrases like "The official was not authorized to discuss the case publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity after being briefed on the investigation", just ignore what they're reporting. Why? Because you're dealing with a media outlet engaging in insider trading. May be legal per the First Amendment, but its sole purpose is to boost media profits, and IMO is highly unethical.
Well I noticed that the national news looked Chicago and Boston too for some reason and they later said that mass murderer never went there but supposedly got a room there. Well all we know at this point is that downtown districts of large cities are going to have to reconsider how security is done during special events and sporting events.
They say this, but do they ever go for it? No, too much time and resources and all that costs $$$!
This guy seems to be more than your run of the mill psycho, however it will be interesting to see where this all leads to. He must of had others with him plan it out and he seemed to have done his homework and too many little things that are there.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 06, 2017, 03:40:00 PM
This guy seems to be more than your run of the mill psycho, however it will be interesting to see where this all leads to. He must of had others with him plan it out and he seemed to have done his homework and too many little things that are there.
I think a lot of people though he just went there and shot people, but it does seem to be premeditated.
Well see. I know it will be a rocky road ahead. The investigators will uncover it sooner or later, but the speculators in the meantime will cause havoc. We already have the gun control issue sparked again and people on both sides of that debate arguing the merits of that one, taking the focus off what really needs to be done.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 06, 2017, 03:51:21 PM
Well see. I know it will be a rocky road ahead. The investigators will uncover it sooner or later, but the speculators in the meantime will cause havoc. We already have the gun control issue sparked again and people on both sides of that debate arguing the merits of that one, taking the focus off what really needs to be done.
As far as gun control goes, I can't believe there are people wanting to take it away, I mean the same people want this country distroyed! Be grateful that you can voice your opinion and have a roof over your head! Damn, and to think Civics taught me that our country is great because we're "free"! We will never truely be free until we can all find a common resolution to our petty problems.
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on October 06, 2017, 05:00:21 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on October 06, 2017, 03:51:21 PM
Well see. I know it will be a rocky road ahead. The investigators will uncover it sooner or later, but the speculators in the meantime will cause havoc. We already have the gun control issue sparked again and people on both sides of that debate arguing the merits of that one, taking the focus off what really needs to be done.
As far as gun control goes, I can't believe there are people wanting to take it away, I mean the same people want this country distroyed! Be grateful that you can voice your opinion and have a roof over your head! Damn, and to think Civics taught me that our country is great because we're "free"! We will never truely be free until we can all find a common resolution to our petty problems.
History changes over time, but its called progress or evolution. However, the both sides of the spectrum admit they do not like the way things turned out and try to blame the other side.
I admit gun control sounds good and many should not have access to weapons who actually do. The problem is all the legislation in the universe will not stop the whole guns from being out there. Plus the weapons used here were illegal to begin with (unless some right wing reporter is just saying this to win the war with CNN or MSNBC) but I would think not that someone can access these style weapons would be impossible the legal way as they serve no purpose other than warfare which a private citizen would not have a need for.
The problem I have is the families should have time to mourn and all before some people start using this tragedy to further their agenda. Yes we need to address this issue, but now its the police and FBI that need to find out what and why before we go on a crusade to end guns. And No I do not believe that Obama and Cuomo want to end all guns in the manner that some talk radio hosts are putting it, that they want to declare marshal law and by removing the second amendment is the main reason why the Left is doing that. That is as bad as Sharpton saying the Tea party is the same as the Al Quada which is what you get when you follow your party too close and except that might is right. Choose a party, but think for yourself and don't believe in your ideas cause Joe up the street says they're okay.
My family went to Disney World in August and we couldn't believe how bad the security was! At Universal Studios, everyone had to pass through metal detectors. But at Disney, at some of the parks you didn't need to go through a metal detector! At Animal Kingdom, people without bags simply didn't need to be checked whatsoever.
At Epcot, a kid pushing a stroller asked his dad whether he needed to go through the metal detector and the dad said "kids don't need to be checked". Since when? And the security guards let the kid and the stroller pass through without being checked! What if there was a gun or bomb in there?
I really hope that Disney steps up the security, because it seems like an obvious target, and currently it seems like an attack would be too easy to pull off.
Quote from: inkyatari on October 06, 2017, 10:05:53 AM
I'm very pissed that the conspirisheep came out almost immediately with the "government coverup-false flag" bullshit.
It shouldn't surprise me at this point.
I hate conspirisheep.
http://politics.blog.mystatesman.com/2017/10/03/alex-jones-explains-las-vegas-its-all-about-alex-jones/
Its Alex Jones he plays that card in every mass shooting in the USA.
Quote from: roadman65 on October 06, 2017, 07:04:00 PM
And No I do not believe that Obama and Cuomo want to end all guns in the manner that some talk radio hosts are putting it, that they want to declare marshal law and by removing the second amendment is the main reason why the Left is doing that. That is as bad as Sharpton saying the Tea party is the same as the Al Quadra...
Don't be so quick to say the left doesn't want to take away all guns.
New York Times op-ed columnist: Repeal the Second Amendment
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/05/opinion/guns-second-amendment-nra.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FGun%20Control&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=21&pgtype=collection&referer=https://www.nytimes.com/topic/subject/guns-and-gun-control
New York Times contributing op-ed writer The Cancer In the Constitution
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/06/opinion/second-amendment-cancer.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FGun%20Control&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=10&pgtype=collection&referer=https://www.nytimes.com/topic/subject/guns-and-gun-control
Perhaps not Obama and Cuomo per se, but certainly the left. Sometimes liberal-progressives are actually honest about what they want to achieve.
"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you think you could not do before." --Rahm Emanuel, while U.S. Representative and Chair of House Democratic Caucus (Wall Street Journal interview, 19 Nov 2008)
Getting too political. This is not the place to point fingers.
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