https://www.geotab.com/the-most-dangerous-highways-in-america/
(the website explains how they measured their findings; I didn't feel like cutting/pasting)
AL: I-65
AK: AK 3
AZ: I-40
AR: US 65
CA: I-40
CO: US 160
CT: I-95
DE: US 13
FL: US 1 (worst on list, 1011 crashes, 1079 deaths)
GA: GA 11
HI: HI 11
ID: US 95
IL: US 45
IN: US 41
IA: I-80
KS: I-70
KY: US 62
LA: US 90
ME: US 1
MA: I-495
MD: US 1
MI: US 31
MN: US 169
MS: US 61
MO: US 63
MT: US 2
NE: I-80
NV: I-80
NH: I-93
NJ: US 130
NM: I-40
NY: I-87
NC: I-95
ND: US 2
OH: I-71
OK: US 69
OR: US 101
PA: I-80
RI: I-95 (lowest on list, 39 crashes, 40 deaths)
SC: I-95
SD: US 18
TN: I-40
TX: US 83
UT: US 89
VT: US 7
VA: US 460
WA: I-5
WV: US 19
WI: I-94
WY: I-80
Cant help notice how many of these are interstates. They were supposed to be so much safer than conventional highways. FAIL
Quote from: Brian556 on December 23, 2017, 08:40:40 PM
Cant help notice how many of these are interstates. They were supposed to be so much safer than conventional highways. FAIL
I think the data is messed up.
Using Delaware as an example, the data here says there was 112 fatalities on US 13. Yet, in 2016, Delaware recorded 120 fatalities in the ENTIRE STATE! Obviously 94% of all fatalities didn't occur on a single roadway.
Quote from: Brian556 on December 23, 2017, 08:40:40 PM
Cant help notice how many of these are interstates. They were supposed to be so much safer than conventional highways. FAIL
I would think that's to be expected. Ideally we wouldn't compare different classes of highways, but the actual conditions with the conditions that would exist without the Interstate system. Of course, we can't do that.
Since the Interstates have more traffic, more accidents should be expected. Even though the rate includes consideration of traffic counts, it makes sense to me that the rate would still be higher with denser traffic, because there's more stuff to hit, and less tolerance for mistakes. With the Interstates being designed for higher speeds, that makes mistakes more problematic than they'd be at lower speeds, and makes collisions more likely to be severe. With there being more traffic generally, it becomes more likely that more vehicles will be involved.
If we could compare these conditions with what would happen without the Interstate system, with traffic more spread out on smaller roads instead of funneled onto a few superhighways, that, to me, would be a more interesting and revealing comparison. I suspect that the number of collisions would be higher, but distributed onto more roads.
I-95 in Rhode Island mapping fail (along with many others - that seemed to be the worst).
If they can't make a map correctly and can't explain their stats very succinctly, I'm struggling to give any of their analysis the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 23, 2017, 08:53:59 PM
Quote from: Brian556 on December 23, 2017, 08:40:40 PM
Cant help notice how many of these are interstates. They were supposed to be so much safer than conventional highways. FAIL
I think the data is messed up.
Using Delaware as an example, the data here says there was 112 fatalities on US 13. Yet, in 2016, Delaware recorded 120 fatalities in the ENTIRE STATE! Obviously 94% of all fatalities didn't occur on a single roadway.
112 in the last 10 years, not per year.
Even better, click on Delaware on the link provided. 106 people died in their section of "the I-80"! Improper terminology for a highway that doesn't exist in the state.
I viewed NJ as well. The stat says 111 crashes and 112 fatalities for US 130. Click on the state, and it informs you "The US-130"...had 11 fatal accidents over the past 10 years. If true, that would mean an average of 10 people were killed in each crash! It goes on to say that the road is one of the most dangerous for pedestrians on NJ, NY and CT!!! Quite the accomplishment!
How is I-40 in the desert in California the least safe, especially compared to I-10.
Trivia: excluding AK/HI, Georgia is the only state for which the "winner" was a state route and not a US/Interstate. (Though if I had to guess, I'd imagine a large portion of those accidents occurred north of Jefferson on the part of GA 11 that's also US 129, simply based on terrain.)
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 23, 2017, 09:04:46 PM
Even better, click on Delaware on the link provided. 106 people died in their section of "the I-80"! Improper terminology for a highway that doesn't exist in the state.
Many highways in other states are called "the [route number]". The report was obviously done by someone from the Los Angeles area.
US 130 in New Jersey is pretty bad. I bet you most of it is on the section north of the 295 merger near deptford, and where it meets US 206 in Bordentown. Particularly the section between NJ90 and US30 near Pennsauken. Narrow lanes.
I'm surprised its US-460 for Virginia, both I-81 and I-95 seem way worse.
I definitely believe NY's entry. During tourist season it seems like my commute is snarled by an accident at least once every single week.
Quote from: oscar on December 23, 2017, 09:44:15 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on December 23, 2017, 09:04:46 PM
Even better, click on Delaware on the link provided. 106 people died in their section of "the I-80"! Improper terminology for a highway that doesn't exist in the state.
Many highways in other states are called "the [route number]". The report was obviously done by someone from the Los Angeles area.
Or Western New York
Whoever drew US 7 in Vermont was drunk. It looks like it bends east of Okemo then back west toward Burlington.
They claim to divide by AADT. I'm not sure how they calculated the average AADT for the entire highway in the state. To do it right would be way too much work for a lame clickbait article.
The interstates have a disadvantage because more people drive on them. An accurate way to measure it is to use it buy millions of miles driven per accident.
I find Indiana's entry being US 41 very suspect. Maybe it's really a dangerous highway but I think it only makes the top of the list due to being almost the longest highway in the state (US 231 and future I-69 will be longer.) A lot of these entries seem to be the longest in their states as well. I-65 and I-70 at least should be considered more dangerous.
US-45 makes no sense for Illinois. Granted, it's one of the longest highways in the state, but far from the most traveled.
It seems like this is a list of the longest well-traveled route in each state. For example, the list says Utah's worst highway is US 89, which is just the longest route in the state. (And I have seen real UDOT stats for this, and they all said I-15 was the most dangerous highway in Utah.)
And Idaho's is US 95...which just spends a lot of time in Idaho, it goes all the way up the panhandle.
Quote from: roadguy2 on December 24, 2017, 10:12:34 AM
It seems like this is a list of the longest well-traveled route in each state. For example, the list says Utah's worst highway is US 89, which is just the longest route in the state. (And I have seen real UDOT stats for this, and they all said I-15 was the most dangerous highway in Utah.)
And Idaho's is US 95...which just spends a lot of time in Idaho, it goes all the way up the panhandle.
They divide by AADT, not by total vehicles traveled along the entire length. This biases it toward the longer routes.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on December 24, 2017, 02:53:00 AM
The interstates have a disadvantage because more people drive on them. An accurate way to measure it is to use it buy millions of miles driven per accident.
If I'm understanding your second sentence, they said they did divide by AADT. But AADT is measured in short segments, not over the entire road. To do it right, they'd have to measure AADT and accidents in short segments. But that would get to be too much like work.
Because US 83 in south Texas and US 83 in the Panhandle have anything to do with each other. It's like compiling a list of richest people by adding all the incomes in a neighborhood.
Quote from: roadguy2 on December 24, 2017, 10:12:34 AM
It seems like this is a list of the longest well-traveled route in each state. For example, the list says Utah's worst highway is US 89, which is just the longest route in the state. (And I have seen real UDOT stats for this, and they all said I-15 was the most dangerous highway in Utah.)
And Idaho's is US 95...which just spends a lot of time in Idaho, it goes all the way up the panhandle.
Seconded. More crashes will occur on highways with more drivers in general. So I guess the length and usage of a highway are the highest overall factors contributing to the number of crashes. Makes sense. But calling any of these the "most dangerous" highway is completely dubious.
US 101 in Oregon... just... no.
If the purpose of the exercise is to determine the 50 most dangerous highways in the U.S., then first determining the most dangerous route in each individual state should not even be a part of the methodology. The title of the "study" should read "The 50 states ranked in order of their single most dangerous road". If I-40 indeed is the most dangerous road within the first 3 states at its western end, it should follow that the extension into the Texas Panhandle is likely equally deadly -- but TX' "entry" is US 83, the single longest numbered route (890 miles) in the state -- and for the most part, a 2-lane rural facility (with the notable exception of the I-2/69E multiplex). A "mixed" facility of this type, unless controlled for type of road (and not just overall AADT) will only yield mean data when parsed by route number only.
The initial division among the states, the categorization simply by route number regardless of type of road (the GA 11 inclusion, considering that road's "zigzag" multiplexes with a myriad of other routes illustrates the methodological flaws intrinsic to this exercise), and the discontinuity regarding roads crossing state lines -- in sum -- indicate that this "study" is next to worthless -- and at best pointless and at worst misleading. If the authors were going to go to that much trouble to assemble the data that they did, they could have, with even an undergraduate course in statistics behind them, come up with a much more meaningful conclusion than a dubious "Top 50" list.
And no, I'm not just pissed that my avatar was one of the selected routes!
Quote from: Bickendan on December 25, 2017, 12:22:25 AM
US 101 in Oregon... just... no.
Agreed. If this was by just sections, either a Portland highway or US 97 between Madras and Redmond would take it. Note: I have not seen specific crash data for Oregon.
Quote from: vdeane on December 23, 2017, 10:35:40 PM
I definitely believe NY's entry. During tourist season it seems like my commute is snarled by an accident at least once every single week.
It seems like they simply took the raw number of accidents without normalizing for length. If you did do such normalization, it would shock me if I-87 came up higher than I-278 or many of the parkways on Long Island or in Westchester.
Quote from: Bickendan on December 25, 2017, 12:22:25 AM
US 101 in Oregon... just... no.
I can sort of see it, in parts. The section south of Astoria has kind of narrow lanes... 10 or 11 feet? and minimal shoulders. And a lot of driveways. Not really dangerous if you drive appropriately, but there are people who see "ooooh! US highway! floor it!" and could run into trouble. Also throughout 101, tourists looking for addresses or watching the view instead of the road, or caught in the fog.
Quote from: kkt on December 25, 2017, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Bickendan on December 25, 2017, 12:22:25 AM
US 101 in Oregon... just... no.
I can sort of see it, in parts. The section south of Astoria has kind of narrow lanes... 10 or 11 feet? and minimal shoulders. And a lot of driveways. Not really dangerous if you drive appropriately, but there are people who see "ooooh! US highway! floor it!" and could run into trouble. Also throughout 101, tourists looking for addresses or watching the view instead of the road, or caught in the fog.
I could see that too and personally I would rate Oregon's dangerous roads as the following:
1. Any road west of the cascades when it snows.
2. US 97 between Madras and Redmond.
3. US 101 between Florenca and Yachats (can't get the spelling right)
Honorable mentions but can't pinpoint rankings:
Any tourist section of US 101.
I-5 rose quarter.
I-84 mp 330-340, 268-276, 250-259, and 218-224
I-5 over the Kalamath mountains.
Non major mountain passes.
US 26 between OR 217 and OR 99W including downtown area.
I-5 between I 405 and OR 99W in Tigard.
Suggestions are welcome and will be added. These are just my opinion.
There is probably 1 or 2 sections of each "most dangerous" road in each state
In Florida, for example, US in the Keys is notoriously dangerous, heavily traveled very long 2 lane road..most of US1 is not especially dangerous compared to other roads in the state
Z981
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 02:37:38 AM
There is probably 1 or 2 sections of each "most dangerous" road in each state
In Florida, for example, US in the Keys is notoriously dangerous, heavily traveled very long 2 lane road..most of US1 is not especially dangerous compared to other roads in the state
Z981
I tired to find my picture of the kill counter in Key West. The highest I've ever seen it was at 18 in a single year. Kind of high for a 127 Mile stretch of Highway, but if you listen to the locals there isn't any need for improvements.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2017, 07:58:59 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 02:37:38 AM
There is probably 1 or 2 sections of each "most dangerous" road in each state
In Florida, for example, US in the Keys is notoriously dangerous, heavily traveled very long 2 lane road..most of US1 is not especially dangerous compared to other roads in the state
Z981
I tired to find my picture of the kill counter in Key West. The highest I've ever seen it was at 18 in a single year. Kind of high for a 127 Mile stretch of Highway, but if you listen to the locals there isn't any need for improvements.
Some of the pseudo locals( from city data forum for example) think that The keys should more of less be off limits to the riff Raff from the mainland.. speed limit of 35 on all of US1.
Z981
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 08:01:03 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2017, 07:58:59 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 02:37:38 AM
There is probably 1 or 2 sections of each "most dangerous" road in each state
In Florida, for example, US in the Keys is notoriously dangerous, heavily traveled very long 2 lane road..most of US1 is not especially dangerous compared to other roads in the state
Z981
I tired to find my picture of the kill counter in Key West. The highest I've ever seen it was at 18 in a single year. Kind of high for a 127 Mile stretch of Highway, but if you listen to the locals there isn't any need for improvements.
Some of the pseudo locals( from city data forum for example) think that The keys should more of less be off limits to the riff Raff from the mainland.. speed limit of 35 on all of US1.
Z981
Yeah...with all that non-tourism based money coming in I'm sure it would be just fine. :-D
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2017, 08:03:03 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 08:01:03 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2017, 07:58:59 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 02:37:38 AM
There is probably 1 or 2 sections of each "most dangerous" road in each state
In Florida, for example, US in the Keys is notoriously dangerous, heavily traveled very long 2 lane road..most of US1 is not especially dangerous compared to other roads in the state
Z981
I tired to find my picture of the kill counter in Key West. The highest I've ever seen it was at 18 in a single year. Kind of high for a 127 Mile stretch of Highway, but if you listen to the locals there isn't any need for improvements.
Some of the pseudo locals( from city data forum for example) think that The keys should more of less be off limits to the riff Raff from the mainland.. speed limit of 35 on all of US1.
Z981
Yeah...with all that non-tourism based money coming in I'm sure it would be just fine. :-D
Fishing and drugs would support the economy LOL
Z981
:pan:
This is essentially a list of longest routes in each state. Not exactly, of course, but close enough.
As others have pointed out, there is no useful information here. What is a reader supposed to do with this list? "Oh okay, I'll avoid I-40 the next time I drive across Tennessee!" :banghead:
Fucking internet...
Quote from: dgolub on December 25, 2017, 09:18:25 AM
Quote from: vdeane on December 23, 2017, 10:35:40 PM
I definitely believe NY's entry. During tourist season it seems like my commute is snarled by an accident at least once every single week.
It seems like they simply took the raw number of accidents without normalizing for length. If you did do such normalization, it would shock me if I-87 came up higher than I-278 or many of the parkways on Long Island or in Westchester.
Precisely. My initial thought on seeing the I-87 entry was: Where? The Bronx? Hudson River Valley? Capital District? Adirondacks? It's dumb to pretend the road has the same traffic conditions end-to-end.
And Suzy Sanchez-Gibson will read it breathlessly on Action News at 10 or 11
Z981
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 08:04:25 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2017, 08:03:03 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 08:01:03 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2017, 07:58:59 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 02:37:38 AM
There is probably 1 or 2 sections of each "most dangerous" road in each state
In Florida, for example, US in the Keys is notoriously dangerous, heavily traveled very long 2 lane road..most of US1 is not especially dangerous compared to other roads in the state
Z981
I tired to find my picture of the kill counter in Key West. The highest I've ever seen it was at 18 in a single year. Kind of high for a 127 Mile stretch of Highway, but if you listen to the locals there isn't any need for improvements.
Some of the pseudo locals( from city data forum for example) think that The keys should more of less be off limits to the riff Raff from the mainland.. speed limit of 35 on all of US1.
Z981
Yeah...with all that non-tourism based money coming in I'm sure it would be just fine. :-D
Fishing and drugs would support the economy LOL
Z981
Until Border Partrol puts another check point on Key Largo because the Key West police chief is accepting bribes in KFC boxes.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2017, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 08:04:25 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2017, 08:03:03 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 08:01:03 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2017, 07:58:59 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 02:37:38 AM
There is probably 1 or 2 sections of each "most dangerous" road in each state
In Florida, for example, US in the Keys is notoriously dangerous, heavily traveled very long 2 lane road..most of US1 is not especially dangerous compared to other roads in the state
Z981
I tired to find my picture of the kill counter in Key West. The highest I've ever seen it was at 18 in a single year. Kind of high for a 127 Mile stretch of Highway, but if you listen to the locals there isn't any need for improvements.
Some of the pseudo locals( from city data forum for example) think that The keys should more of less be off limits to the riff Raff from the mainland.. speed limit of 35 on all of US1.
Z981
Yeah...with all that non-tourism based money coming in I'm sure it would be just fine. :-D
Fishing and drugs would support the economy LOL
Z981
Until Border Partrol puts another check point on Key Largo because the Key West police chief is accepting bribes in KFC boxes.
Finger lickin' good
Z981
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 12:41:09 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2017, 12:29:37 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 08:04:25 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2017, 08:03:03 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 08:01:03 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on December 26, 2017, 07:58:59 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on December 26, 2017, 02:37:38 AM
There is probably 1 or 2 sections of each "most dangerous" road in each state
In Florida, for example, US in the Keys is notoriously dangerous, heavily traveled very long 2 lane road..most of US1 is not especially dangerous compared to other roads in the state
Z981
I tired to find my picture of the kill counter in Key West. The highest I've ever seen it was at 18 in a single year. Kind of high for a 127 Mile stretch of Highway, but if you listen to the locals there isn't any need for improvements.
Some of the pseudo locals( from city data forum for example) think that The keys should more of less be off limits to the riff Raff from the mainland.. speed limit of 35 on all of US1.
Z981
Yeah...with all that non-tourism based money coming in I'm sure it would be just fine. :-D
Fishing and drugs would support the economy LOL
Z981
Until Border Partrol puts another check point on Key Largo because the Key West police chief is accepting bribes in KFC boxes.
Finger lickin' good
Z981
Yeah, but there was many a time I wanted a 8-piece and there was no KFC on Roosevelt available to service my craving. Thanks Key West PD, I guess I'll have to settle for Dion's or my choice of two Publix delis (seriously they are across the street from each other on US 1).
Quote from: SidS1045 on December 26, 2017, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: dgolub on December 25, 2017, 09:18:25 AM
Quote from: vdeane on December 23, 2017, 10:35:40 PM
I definitely believe NY's entry. During tourist season it seems like my commute is snarled by an accident at least once every single week.
It seems like they simply took the raw number of accidents without normalizing for length. If you did do such normalization, it would shock me if I-87 came up higher than I-278 or many of the parkways on Long Island or in Westchester.
Precisely. My initial thought on seeing the I-87 entry was: Where? The Bronx? Hudson River Valley? Capital District? Adirondacks? It's dumb to pretend the road has the same traffic conditions end-to-end.
And I saw US-45 mentioned for Illinois, pictured a relaxing drive through the forests between Metropolis and Vienna, then imagined a relaxing drive through the farmlands between Norris City and Fairfield, and only
then remembered it's also Mannheim Road in Chicagoland.
Quote from: kphoger on December 26, 2017, 01:21:53 PM
Quote from: SidS1045 on December 26, 2017, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: dgolub on December 25, 2017, 09:18:25 AM
Quote from: vdeane on December 23, 2017, 10:35:40 PM
I definitely believe NY's entry. During tourist season it seems like my commute is snarled by an accident at least once every single week.
It seems like they simply took the raw number of accidents without normalizing for length. If you did do such normalization, it would shock me if I-87 came up higher than I-278 or many of the parkways on Long Island or in Westchester.
Precisely. My initial thought on seeing the I-87 entry was: Where? The Bronx? Hudson River Valley? Capital District? Adirondacks? It's dumb to pretend the road has the same traffic conditions end-to-end.
And I saw US-45 mentioned for Illinois, pictured a relaxing drive through the forests between Metropolis and Vienna, then imagined a relaxing drive through the farmlands between Norris City and Fairfield, and only then remembered it's also Mannheim Road in Chicagoland.
Yeah -- picking a long numbered route and then not controlling for much of anything past aggregate AADT seems like an exercise in futility -- or headline making:
"let's see how much bullshit data we can disseminate just to get our names on the report publicized before someone looks at it too closely!" IMO, pretty pathetic!
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on December 26, 2017, 02:08:00 AM
Quote from: kkt on December 25, 2017, 03:19:27 PM
Quote from: Bickendan on December 25, 2017, 12:22:25 AM
US 101 in Oregon... just... no.
I can sort of see it, in parts. The section south of Astoria has kind of narrow lanes... 10 or 11 feet? and minimal shoulders. And a lot of driveways. Not really dangerous if you drive appropriately, but there are people who see "ooooh! US highway! floor it!" and could run into trouble. Also throughout 101, tourists looking for addresses or watching the view instead of the road, or caught in the fog.
I could see that too and personally I would rate Oregon's dangerous roads as the following:
1. Any road west of the cascades when it snows.
2. US 97 between Madras and Redmond.
3. US 101 between Florenca and Yachats (can't get the spelling right)
Honorable mentions but can't pinpoint rankings:
Any tourist section of US 101.
I-5 rose quarter.
I-84 east of Baker City.
Non major mountain passes.
Not so sure about I-84 east of Baker City (I've never had issues there) but I agree with the rest of those. In terms of I-84 though, I would definitely put I-84 between Pendleton and La Grande, and I-84 between Hood River and Troutdale (that gets icy and windy, and has heavier traffic than the rest of the highway outside of Portland; I just took WA-14 instead a few days ago because of how bad it was, and I felt much safer despite it being a more curvy and hilly 2 lane road). Also I-5 between Ashland and the CA border. Maybe US-26 just west of downtown Portland: the hill, the curves, the very heavy traffic, and that's before you throw in occasional ice/snow.
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US 101 in Oregon... just... no.
I can sort of see it, in parts. The section south of Astoria has kind of narrow lanes... 10 or 11 feet? and minimal shoulders. And a lot of driveways. Not really dangerous if you drive appropriately, but there are people who see "ooooh! US highway! floor it!" and could run into trouble. Also throughout 101, tourists looking for addresses or watching the view instead of the road, or caught in the fog.
I could see that too and personally I would rate Oregon's dangerous roads as the following:
1. Any road west of the cascades when it snows.
2. US 97 between Madras and Redmond.
3. US 101 between Florenca and Yachats (can't get the spelling right)
Honorable mentions but can't pinpoint rankings:
Any tourist section of US 101.
I-5 rose quarter.
I-84 east of Baker City.
Non major mountain passes.
Not so sure about I-84 east of Baker City (I've never had issues there) but I agree with the rest of those. In terms of I-84 though, I would definitely put I-84 between Pendleton and La Grande, and I-84 between Hood River and Troutdale (that gets icy and windy, and has heavier traffic than the rest of the highway outside of Portland; I just took WA-14 instead a few days ago because of how bad it was, and I felt much safer despite it being a more curvy and hilly 2 lane road). Also I-5 between Ashland and the CA border. Maybe US-26 just west of downtown Portland: the hill, the curves, the very heavy traffic, and that's before you throw in occasional ice/snow.
Edited to include that and changed I-84 to just mp 330-340, 268-276, and 218-224, 250-259.
Did not include I-84 in the gorge due to it being far below the statewide average interstate crash rate except for the storms.
Michigan's was US 31 and go figure there was a 40 car pileup on US 31 in Muskegon yesterday afternoon.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on December 29, 2017, 04:20:50 AM
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US 101 in Oregon... just... no.
I can sort of see it, in parts. The section south of Astoria has kind of narrow lanes... 10 or 11 feet? and minimal shoulders. And a lot of driveways. Not really dangerous if you drive appropriately, but there are people who see "ooooh! US highway! floor it!" and could run into trouble. Also throughout 101, tourists looking for addresses or watching the view instead of the road, or caught in the fog.
I could see that too and personally I would rate Oregon's dangerous roads as the following:
1. Any road west of the cascades when it snows.
2. US 97 between Madras and Redmond.
3. US 101 between Florenca and Yachats (can't get the spelling right)
Honorable mentions but can't pinpoint rankings:
Any tourist section of US 101.
I-5 rose quarter.
I-84 east of Baker City.
Non major mountain passes.
Not so sure about I-84 east of Baker City (I've never had issues there) but I agree with the rest of those. In terms of I-84 though, I would definitely put I-84 between Pendleton and La Grande, and I-84 between Hood River and Troutdale (that gets icy and windy, and has heavier traffic than the rest of the highway outside of Portland; I just took WA-14 instead a few days ago because of how bad it was, and I felt much safer despite it being a more curvy and hilly 2 lane road). Also I-5 between Ashland and the CA border. Maybe US-26 just west of downtown Portland: the hill, the curves, the very heavy traffic, and that's before you throw in occasional ice/snow.
Edited to include that and changed I-84 to just mp 330-340, 268-276, and 218-224, 250-259.
Did not include I-84 in the gorge due to it being far below the statewide average interstate crash rate except for the storms.
1. I-5 Terwilliger Curves
Then we can start sorting the others. Agreed with US 97 between Redmond and Madras.
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 24, 2017, 03:11:18 AM
I find Indiana's entry being US 41 very suspect. Maybe it's really a dangerous highway but I think it only makes the top of the list due to being almost the longest highway in the state (US 231 and future I-69 will be longer.) A lot of these entries seem to be the longest in their states as well. I-65 and I-70 at least should be considered more dangerous.
I could see US 41 being worse than I-70 and I-65 if there are a lot of crashes at all the signalized intersections (though as I type this I think the issue would be worse on US 30). There also had to previously be some safety issues for INDOT to pursue J-turns at at least one intersection.