For those of you who know the mistakes I've made in the past, It's my fault, and we're moving on. I'm just really stressed out about how a lot of my favorite setups are getting replaced, and I fear that EVERYTHING old will be gone by the time i'm an adult. I'm at the age where I can finally drive, but not yet old enough to be on my own. A lot of the good stuff is driving distance only. When a few crew members here told me about old equipment, most of it was in the outer reaches of the Philadelphia area. It's good that they're close by and all, but those are places that my folks would never drive by. My parents wouldn't waste time driving me a few miles, just to take a traffic light picture. All the goodies in Pottstown are already gone. (My folks never drive me there anyways) And wish me luck getting pictures of those art decos in chester county, they'll be toast within a few years. I fear that when I'm an adult, there will be nothing interesting to put on my Flickr, just but miles and miles of bland McCain signals. I just wanna at least get pictures of the old signals before they're gone. That's all I want. Eventually it's gonna reach a point where I'm gonna have to travel to other states in order to see the good stuff. There's a reason why the content on my Flickr is pretty bland compared to other signal enthusiasts on that site.
Quote from: traffic light guy on January 04, 2018, 03:10:34 PM
I'm just really stressed out about how a lot of my favorite setups are getting replaced
This definitely falls into the "no big deal" category. Older stuff always gets replaced with newer stuff. It's the way the world works. In 30 years, you'll be calling today's installations "old". But, seriously, almost 100% of life is more worth stressing out than stoplight replacement.
Jeez... I thought I had problems.
Yes, I know it's a dumb thing to get upset over. I'm not depressed about it, just really anxious. And today's installs won't be "old" in 30 years, traffic lights will be gone, and replaced by self driving-vehicles.
Quote from: traffic light guy on January 04, 2018, 03:56:32 PM
Yes, I know it's a dumb thing to get upset over. I'm not depressed about it, just really anxious.
"Really anxious" is also going overboard. If you're really exhibiting symptoms of anxiety over this, then maybe you need to seek attention.
Quote from: traffic light guy on January 04, 2018, 03:56:32 PM
And today's installs won't be "old" in 30 years, traffic lights will be gone, and replaced by self driving-vehicles.
Oh, really. You think the cars being sold today (and over the next several years) will have completely disappeared from the streets within 30 years? Because, until nobody is even allowed to drive their own car, there will still be a need for traffic control.
Always could pick up some of your favorite signals on eBay? If they are getting yanked now they'll probably at their minimal worth in the hands of scrap guys. But damn, I remember being mildly miffed about US 27 being decommissioned in Michigan around your age, nothing like that opening statement. You might want to whoa this down a couple notches.
Quote from: traffic light guy on January 04, 2018, 03:10:34 PM
It's good that they're close by and all, but those are places that my folks would never drive by. My parents wouldn't waste time driving me a few miles, just to take a traffic light picture.
QuoteAge: 16
I see a potential solution you could work toward.
That's how the world works: the world around us constantly changes, nothing stays the same forever, old gets replaced by new, and that's how it goes...for everything.
Move on, or a layer of dust will cover you up, too.
Don't get too hung up on nostalgia.
Don't worry about "missing out".
They're just traffic signals. Or roads. Or signs. Or maps. They're objects, and they don't care what you think.
You're actually worried (at 16) about what kinds of photos you'll take in the future? There's a whole lot more to life than a singular hobby.
I hate to see you in pain like that. I know all too well what stress, anxiety, and all that stuff feels like. :no: :-/
I'm not the best at this kind of advice, but if I had any suggestions, I would say maybe you could try to do some sort of work for your parents (chores, huge favors, manual labor, making something, something of that sort) in exchange for them giving you the opportunity to see and heavily document (photograph, video, or whatever it is you would like to do) those traffic signals that may be getting replaced soon. I remember when I was younger, I would often do big things for my parents in exchange for money and stuff - my most vivid memory of this sort of thing was lifting a large amount of huge stones (probably at least 50) into my grandfather's old box truck in order to haul it to our own house and use it as landscaping decoration in our yard, and I helped with that as well - so in return my dad gave me $50 or $60 and with that, I bought a video game - Mario Kart Wii to be specific (in 2011). I'm not saying you should lift stones necessarily, but you get the point, that I'm guessing it may be possible that if you do something huge for your parents or such, they may return the favor and get you to the traffic signals.
I feel your pain as well, so I know how you feel. It is saddening to see old, very interesting road-related stuff go away in the new age, such as state-name Interstate shields, truss bridges, button copy, and the sort. Change is a part of life, but change can be hard. But we all got to do what we can to roll with it. ;-)
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 04, 2018, 07:02:49 PM
I'm not the best at this kind of advice, but if I had any suggestions, I would say maybe you could try to do some sort of work for your parents (chores, huge favors, manual labor, making something, something of that sort) in exchange for them giving you the opportunity to see and heavily document (photograph, video, or whatever it is you would like to do) those traffic signals that may be getting replaced soon.
That's a circuitous way of going about it. 16 is the age at which most restrictions on employment drop off, and therefore the minimum age most people can get a real, W2-producing job. After I got my license at 16, I went to work at Burger King for $5.15 an hour. This justified my use of one of the cars (my parents were able to set one aside for my use) and I was able to use my wages to pay for the gas. Since I already had use of the car and the means to pay for it, there was nothing stopping me from clinching state highways and snapping photographs on my days off.
Quote from: Scott5114 on January 04, 2018, 07:07:56 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on January 04, 2018, 07:02:49 PM
I'm not the best at this kind of advice, but if I had any suggestions, I would say maybe you could try to do some sort of work for your parents (chores, huge favors, manual labor, making something, something of that sort) in exchange for them giving you the opportunity to see and heavily document (photograph, video, or whatever it is you would like to do) those traffic signals that may be getting replaced soon.
That's a circuitous way of going about it. 16 is the age at which most restrictions on employment drop off, and therefore the minimum age most people can get a real, W2-producing job. After I got my license at 16, I went to work at Burger King for $5.15 an hour. This justified my use of one of the cars (my parents were able to set one aside for my use) and I was able to use my wages to pay for the gas. Since I already had use of the car and the means to pay for it, there was nothing stopping me from clinching state highways and snapping photographs on my days off.
That is a good point. I guess I'm just presuming that, despite his age (16), it is sounding like the OP currently has no access to neither a car nor a job, and that his parents were, for the time being, the only way he could access these traffic signals. But if he does get a car and/or job, that would definitely help in the quest to see and document these traffic signals before they are gone.
I think I have the opposite problem. It really bothers me when agencies don't keep their inventory up to date. But that's more the result of me being a traffic control geek, than a signal geek. I suppose if I was a signal geek, I would be similar position. Though more annoyed with the state of things, than anxious.
It's also worth noting that due to graduated licensing laws, it may not be possible for him to drive to somewhere other than work even with a licence until he's older.
Quote from: traffic light guy on January 04, 2018, 03:56:32 PM
Yes, I know it's a dumb thing to get upset over. I'm not depressed about it, just really anxious. And today's installs won't be "old" in 30 years, traffic lights will be gone, and replaced by self driving-vehicles.
Look, I'm upset that Oregon is replacing its Speed xx signs with Speed Limit xx. We all have dumb things we worry or have worried about.
Quote from: vdeane on January 04, 2018, 08:35:04 PM
It's also worth noting that due to graduated licensing laws, it may not be possible for him to drive to somewhere other than work even with a licence until he's older.
True, but starting now means you can get savings in the bank for later roadgeeking trips.
Plus, once I got my learner permit and my license I was able to sucker Mom into going with me on roadgeek expeditions. "I need driving practice" turned into clinching SH-24, then when she was fine with that, it turned into longer routes like SH-74. By the time I got my license, we'd clinched I-27 and I had her taking shield photos for me while I drove. :nod: Then again, my mom's always been pretty cool like that.
Point being, though, that rather than sitting there stressing about it, it's possible to take actual, concrete steps toward being able to influence the situation. That, to me, has always been a more attractive outlet than wringing my hands about it on the Internet. But maybe that's just me.
Just visit the Henry Ford Museum. The nation's first three-color four-way traffic light is hanging there for all to see.
It's reasons like the OP's strife that have gotten me wondering if we ought to pull a bunch of data together in the form of traffic signal photos. If we document the signal designs of today, we can show future generations how things have changed. Plus, each state's nuances in signal installations are often one of the most distinguishing features that I use to identify what state I'm in. Roadfans seem to be particularly data-oriented folks. That's one of the reasons I thought the 1-2-3 sign challenge was a good idea; we're the type of people who like to list things, count them, and do them to completion. And with our powers combined, we can assembly a body of knowledge from what roadfans all over the country/continent/world have seen and implemented in the field. I'm saying that here because I think we can accomplish something with respect to signals, namely showing our findings in the world of signals--different states/cities of origin, common applications, each jurisdiction's approach to permitted left turns, protected-permit left turns, etc. We all have quirks and stuff we prefer or dislike. If we get examples of as many applications as possible, we can help everyone who's seeking out content depicting what they like.
Quote from: kphoger on January 04, 2018, 04:04:21 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on January 04, 2018, 03:56:32 PM
Yes, I know it's a dumb thing to get upset over. I'm not depressed about it, just really anxious.
"Really anxious" is also going overboard. If you're really exhibiting symptoms of anxiety over this, then maybe you need to seek attention.
Well he comes here to complain about other forums, he may as well come here for medical advice, too.
There's a set of old 70s-era 12" flatback doghouse traffic signals in Lower Merion, I'm scared that they're gonna get replaced before I get pictures.
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 09:08:20 AM
There's a set of old 70s-era 12" flatback doghouse traffic signals in Lower Merion, I'm scared that they're gonna get replaced before I get pictures.
Can you get there via SEPTA?
Quote from: tradephoric on January 05, 2018, 09:38:23 AM
Just visit the Henry Ford Museum. The nation's first three-color four-way traffic light is hanging there for all to see.
Yep, invented by Inspector William L. Potts of the Detroit Police Department.
http://large.stanford.edu/courses/2011/ph240/miller1/docs/moyer/
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 09:08:20 AM
There's a set of old 70s-era 12" flatback doghouse traffic signals in Lower Merion, I'm scared that they're gonna get replaced before I get pictures.
Where? For one-off photos, maybe one of us could snap a photo for you if we're in the area. I find myself in Lower Merion once a month or so.
Quote from: 1 on February 21, 2018, 09:12:03 AM
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 09:08:20 AM
There's a set of old 70s-era 12" flatback doghouse traffic signals in Lower Merion, I'm scared that they're gonna get replaced before I get pictures.
Can you get there via SEPTA?
Probably. I don't know the specific location the poster is talking about, but Lower Merion Township is the municipality that encompasses the "towns" of Wynnewood, Haverford, Ardmore, Bryn Mawr, and Rosemont, all of which are on the Paoli/Thorndale regional rail line (former R5) as well as Bala Cynwyd, which is the terminus of the Cynwyd line (R6).
Quote from: jemacedo9 on February 21, 2018, 10:19:37 AM
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 09:08:20 AM
There's a set of old 70s-era 12" flatback doghouse traffic signals in Lower Merion, I'm scared that they're gonna get replaced before I get pictures.
Where? For one-off photos, maybe one of us could snap a photo for you if we're in the area. I find myself in Lower Merion once a month or so.
The first one is at East Levering Road/Belmont Avenue
There's another one at Conshonken State Road & Rock Hill Road
So, are we suggesting the forum host user photos?
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on February 21, 2018, 12:44:50 PM
So, are we suggesting the forum host user photos?
I can already put photos in the forum gallery.
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on February 21, 2018, 12:44:50 PM
So, are we suggesting the forum host user photos?
Yes, since they're requested, and It's gonna be eons before I get a chance to be in Lower Merion again, by the time that time rolls around, all the goodies will be replaced by McCains
If you guys do get these said photos, will you allow me to post them on my flickr page? I'll give you guys credit
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 03:00:17 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on February 21, 2018, 12:44:50 PM
So, are we suggesting the forum host user photos?
Yes, since they're requested, and It's gonna be eons before I get a chance to be in Lower Merion again, by the time that time rolls around, all the goodies will be replaced by McCains
Unless you know for a fact that the road will be upgraded shortly, or the signals are due for replacement, I wouldn't worry about them being replaced shortly. If they've lasted as long as they have, there's no reason to believe they'd be replaced within the next few months or years.
What I'd do, assuming it'd be affordable, is just take a taxi. As long as you have the cash up-front for a ride, I've never heard of a cab driver denying a ride based on age.
Alternatively (assuming you are in fact 16), get your drivers licence, commandeer a parents vehicle, and just drive there.
Quote from: jakeroot on February 21, 2018, 03:36:52 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 03:00:17 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on February 21, 2018, 12:44:50 PM
So, are we suggesting the forum host user photos?
Yes, since they're requested, and It's gonna be eons before I get a chance to be in Lower Merion again, by the time that time rolls around, all the goodies will be replaced by McCains
Unless you know for a fact that the road will be upgraded shortly, or the signals are due for replacement, I wouldn't worry about them being replaced shortly. If they've lasted as long as they have, there's no reason to believe they'd be replaced within the next few months or years.
What I'd do, assuming it'd be affordable, is just take a taxi. As long as you have the cash up-front for a ride, I've never heard of a cab driver denying a ride based on age.
Alternatively (assuming you are in fact 16), get your drivers licence, commandeer a parents vehicle, and just drive there.
Pennsylvania usually replaces signals without warning, whenever they don't give a warning they usually replace the signal heads, not the mast-arms. Which is just as bad as a full-on upgrade. Thankfully, these old signals are not on the warrant list, but you never know what could happen. But I better get up and move my ass, just to be safe.
I'll try and work something out with my folks, with the transportation, and whatnot, but it won't be easy.
In fact, I'll give an example of how sneaky PennDOT can be:
This, right here I shot in 2016, look at the old school montotube and the old eagles on the right:
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5472/30864834145_00536db047_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/P2qkSR)A set of Peek signals overhead, with old Eagle flatbacks on the side (https://flic.kr/p/P2qkSR) by Traffic Light Guy (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
The signals are now gone and were replaced by Econolites in 2017, and they were nowhere to be found on the warrant list:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.097765,-75.1461625,3a,75y,2.43h,87.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sCJbxZzpK3XirYuu7rh1LDg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
There were another set of goodies in the tokanay creek parkway (I was planning to get a picture of those too, but now they're gone, the old signal heads were replaced, but the old monotube is still up)
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0549837,-75.1028249,3a,75y,11.19h,86.97t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJP9FpNGezvyfmr2i6A7aNQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Now you know why McCain is my least favorite signal brand. PA abuses them to death, they're at every other intersection
My point is, neither of these were on the warrant list, goes to show how slick PennDOT really is when it comes to their signal enthusiasts. Granted I did get shots of old signals on Spring Garden Street, but the ones in Lower Merion have doghouses, the oldest doghouses ever, 12" flatbacks. When those are gone there will be no more old Vietnam-era doghouse signals left in the entire state. Bristol Township has a few Vietnam War era 12" Flatback doghouses, but those are on the signal upgrade warrant list.
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 04:04:06 PM
My point is, neither of these were on the warrant list, goes to show how slick PennDOT really is when it comes to their signal enthusiasts.
With all due respect, you can't give hobbyists that much credit...a DOT's job is not preservation of an item that costs about $1000, it's to replace a potentially faulty item that might lead to a lawsuit due to failure, or eliminate one that doesn't meet the latest safety criteria. DOTs just contract-buy a few thousand assemblies, and replace them as the old ones near their serviceable end-of-life according to some spreadsheet.
There's no conspiracy to bother a few hundred enthusiasts, and they also have no obligation to notify the public beforehand, unless it's going to involve a major detour for a long period of time.
Yes, this all means we sometimes go out of our way to visit a road that's under construction, can't clinch a route because of an accident / detour, miss that old sign that's been replaced / damaged / stolen, or an attraction is closed down or not operational that day. Not everything runs on schedule, not all changes require fanfare, and sometimes an anagram of "THIS HAPPENS" is the order of the day.
Welcome to the (or any) hobby...there's upsides and downsides, and that's the way it goes.
Quote from: formulanone on February 21, 2018, 05:39:10 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 04:04:06 PM
My point is, neither of these were on the warrant list, goes to show how slick PennDOT really is when it comes to their signal enthusiasts.
With all due respect, you can't give hobbyists that much credit...a DOT's job is not preservation of an item that costs about $1000, it's to replace a potentially faulty item that might lead to a lawsuit due to failure, or eliminate one that doesn't meet the latest safety criteria. DOTs just contract-buy a few thousand assemblies, and replace them as the old ones near their serviceable end-of-life according to some spreadsheet.
There's no conspiracy to bother a few hundred enthusiasts, and they also have no obligation to notify the public beforehand, unless it's going to involve a major detour for a long period of time.
I hate being a young signal enthusiast, PA once had old signals everywhere a decade ago, now that my friend is the reason why I'm so worried about those 12" 1970s-era flatback doghouse signals being replaced.
All I want is a few good pictures before they're gone
Is is possible to contact the appropriate DOT to see what they do with the old signals? Maybe you could snag one when they do replace them...I'm not sure how these things work though. I imagine if you approach them respectfully and earnestly, they might go out of their way to accommodate.
Quote from: chays on February 21, 2018, 09:34:01 PM
Is is possible to contact the appropriate DOT to see what they do with the old signals? Maybe you could snag one when they do replace them...I'm not sure how these things work though. I imagine if you approach them respectfully and earnestly, they might go out of their way to accommodate.
Snagging this signals would mean budget problems. But I'll do what I can
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 09:35:51 PM
Quote from: chays on February 21, 2018, 09:34:01 PM
Is is possible to contact the appropriate DOT to see what they do with the old signals? Maybe you could snag one when they do replace them...I'm not sure how these things work though. I imagine if you approach them respectfully and earnestly, they might go out of their way to accommodate.
Snagging this signals would mean budget problems. But I'll do what I can
Rob a bank? Launder some money? Embezzlement of funds? Y'know.
Quote from: chays on February 21, 2018, 09:34:01 PM
Is is possible to contact the appropriate DOT to see what they do with the old signals? Maybe you could snag one when they do replace them...I'm not sure how these things work though. I imagine if you approach them respectfully and earnestly, they might go out of their way to accommodate.
If you keep an eye on projects and contracts and such, often times an independent contractor replaces the signal. Find out what they do with them. If the DOT allows them to get rid of the lights in any manner they want, you can possibly get some from them.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 21, 2018, 10:28:07 PM
Quote from: chays on February 21, 2018, 09:34:01 PM
Is is possible to contact the appropriate DOT to see what they do with the old signals? Maybe you could snag one when they do replace them...I'm not sure how these things work though. I imagine if you approach them respectfully and earnestly, they might go out of their way to accommodate.
If you keep an eye on projects and contracts and such, often times an independent contractor replaces the signal. Find out what they do with them. If the DOT allows them to get rid of the lights in any manner they want, you can possibly get some from them.
It's not that I want the lights, I want photos of the signals before they get replaced, with all the mast arms in tact. Getting just the signal head isn't the same as seeing the full package.
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 03:00:17 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on February 21, 2018, 12:44:50 PM
So, are we suggesting the forum host user photos?
Yes, since they're requested, and It's gonna be eons before I get a chance to be in Lower Merion again, by the time that time rolls around, all the goodies will be replaced by McCains
I hate it when that happens.
(https://i.imgur.com/yR973nl.jpg)
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 21, 2018, 10:44:08 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 03:00:17 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on February 21, 2018, 12:44:50 PM
So, are we suggesting the forum host user photos?
Yes, since they're requested, and It's gonna be eons before I get a chance to be in Lower Merion again, by the time that time rolls around, all the goodies will be replaced by McCains
I hate it when that happens.
(https://i.imgur.com/yR973nl.jpg)
Not John McCain, I'm talking about the traffic signal company "McCain traffic supply"
You mean to tell me Senators from Arizona aren't a valid traffic control device?
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 10:36:14 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 21, 2018, 10:28:07 PM
Quote from: chays on February 21, 2018, 09:34:01 PM
Is is possible to contact the appropriate DOT to see what they do with the old signals? Maybe you could snag one when they do replace them...I'm not sure how these things work though. I imagine if you approach them respectfully and earnestly, they might go out of their way to accommodate.
If you keep an eye on projects and contracts and such, often times an independent contractor replaces the signal. Find out what they do with them. If the DOT allows them to get rid of the lights in any manner they want, you can possibly get some from them.
It's not that I want the lights, I want photos of the signals before they get replaced, with all the mast arms in tact. Getting just the signal head isn't the same as seeing the full package.
While some might call that attitude selfish, I would actually agree. Seeing something old, where it originally was, especially still being used by the general public, is easily ten times cooler than seeing that same thing in someone's garage or museum. It's still wise to collect old signals if you can, however, due to the increasing number of jurisdictions that require anything that can be recycled, to be so. Here in Washington, it's virtually impossible to find old highway signs, since (I believe) WSDOT requires contractors to recycle the old sign. I'm not sure old signals can be recycled
per se, but they can be scrapped (nearly the same thing, IIRC).
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 10:45:40 PM
Not John McCain, I'm talking about the traffic signal company "McCain traffic supply"
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fnew1.fjcdn.com%2Fthumbnails%2Fcomments%2F4812215%2B_af4d4152d5058635ebe659e6979b61d7.jpg&hash=b4c95565cbbcfc2713b911ae36ad57189884d6cf)
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 21, 2018, 10:48:38 PM
You mean to tell me Senators from Arizona aren't a valid traffic control device?
If he was standing in the middle of the road, he
might have that power.
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 10:45:40 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 21, 2018, 10:44:08 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 21, 2018, 03:00:17 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on February 21, 2018, 12:44:50 PM
So, are we suggesting the forum host user photos?
Yes, since they're requested, and It's gonna be eons before I get a chance to be in Lower Merion again, by the time that time rolls around, all the goodies will be replaced by McCains
I hate it when that happens.
(https://i.imgur.com/yR973nl.jpg)
Not John McCain, I'm talking about the traffic signal company "McCain traffic supply"
The Joke
Your Head
Quote from: jakeroot on February 21, 2018, 10:52:25 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 21, 2018, 10:48:38 PM
You mean to tell me Senators from Arizona aren't a valid traffic control device?
If he was standing in the middle of the road, he might have that power.
Probably not, actually, due to separation of powers (John McCain being part of the legislative branch, and traffic control authority being vested in the executive branch). Even if not for that, he probably wouldn't have any authority due to the 10th Amendment, since there's nothing in the Constitution assigning enforcement of traffic control to the federal level, and thus it falls on the state to enforce.
Now we can all say we learned something today: Senator John McCain is
not a valid traffic control device. Isn't Constitutional Law fun?
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 21, 2018, 11:13:58 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 21, 2018, 10:52:25 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 21, 2018, 10:48:38 PM
You mean to tell me Senators from Arizona aren't a valid traffic control device?
If he was standing in the middle of the road, he might have that power.
Probably not, actually, due to separation of powers (John McCain being part of the legislative branch, and traffic control authority being vested in the executive branch). Even if not for that, he probably wouldn't have any authority due to the 10th Amendment, since there's nothing in the Constitution assigning enforcement of traffic control to the federal level, and thus it falls on the state to enforce.
Now we can all say we learned something today: Senator John McCain is not a valid traffic control device. Isn't Constitutional Law fun?
(https://i.imgur.com/ehBIihF.gif)
I've taken traffic direction from any number of people without looking at their faces-I suppose mostly leaving major sporting events. If someone's got a whistle, or an orange-tipped flashlight, or a reflective vest, I wouldn't stop to analyze whether the individual was a legislator or not. However, due to his mistreatment at the hands of the North Vietnamese, the heroic and Distinguished Senior Senator from Arizona does have an affliction that would make him rather ill-suited to this task: his inability to raise his arms above his shoulders.
Well this thread took an upward swing pretty quickly in a day. :-D Interestingly the last time the Federal Government tried to really force it's hand was with the National Maximum Speed Limit of 55 MPH. Essentially there was nothing the Feds could do legally to force states to comply with the 55 MPH speed limits but they could withhold Federal Highway Funds. If I recall correctly there was supposed to be a speed limit compliance rating where half the traffic had to be traveling at 55 MPH or less? It essentially would be impossible to pull the same thing today but there has to be away for the Feds to force the States to start posting McCain traffic control devices.
Jesus, dude, take a Xanax and chill. This thread is kind of ridiculous.
It's not the level of interest (I can hear people I know saying to me "they're just signs! Who cares?!"), but rather the level of helplessness and insecurity this thread poses. I can understand if you're not physically able to drive, but otherwise, be resourceful and find a way, and not complain about it on an Internet forum.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on February 22, 2018, 12:23:05 AM
Jesus, dude, take a Xanax and chill. This thread is kind of ridiculous.
It's not the level of interest (I can hear people I know saying to me "they're just signs! Who cares?!"), but rather the level of helplessness and insecurity this thread poses. I can understand if you're not physically able to drive, but instead, be resourceful and find a way, and not complain about it on an Internet forum.
Branching off from John McCain signs for a moment towards your point. One of the best ways I've found to take pictures of local signs and other items of interest isn't in my car but out when I'm running or riding a distance bike. For a 16 year old it might be a great way to get out there to document what you're looking for and build some confidence at the same time. I believe Hurricane Rex is around the same age and he's posted pictures of signs he's gotten while out on foot running.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 22, 2018, 12:29:05 AM
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Jesus, dude, take a Xanax and chill. This thread is kind of ridiculous.
It's not the level of interest (I can hear people I know saying to me "they're just signs! Who cares?!"), but rather the level of helplessness and insecurity this thread poses. I can understand if you're not physically able to drive, but instead, be resourceful and find a way, and not complain about it on an Internet forum.
One of the best ways I've found to take pictures of local signs and other items of interest isn't in my car but out when I'm running or riding a distance bike. For a 16 year old it might be a great way to get out there to document what you're looking for and build some confidence at the same time. I believe Hurricane Rex is around the same age and he's posted pictures of signs he's gotten while out on foot running.
That, and on-foot was the way I used to do it, and still do it that way today. Sure, you need a car to get to certain further-away places, but to some extent, grabbing photos with a car is more of a hassle (finding a place to park, having pristine windows, accounting for glare, hanging out the window. etc.). On-foot and by bike offers so much more flexibility. Stop, point, aim, click. Rinse, repeat.
To more of the original topic, it may be time to take a step back and reassess. There's nothing you can do about what signals get replaced and when. it's time to accept they're going to change. Very similar situation to railroad wig-wag signals.
Quote from: davewiecking on February 22, 2018, 12:13:36 AM
I've taken traffic direction from any number of people without looking at their faces-I suppose mostly leaving major sporting events. If someone's got a whistle, or an orange-tipped flashlight, or a reflective vest, I wouldn't stop to analyze whether the individual was a legislator or not. However, due to his mistreatment at the hands of the North Vietnamese, the heroic and Distinguished Senior Senator from Arizona does have an affliction that would make him rather ill-suited to this task: his inability to raise his arms above his shoulders.
It's a pretty well-documented matter of social engineering that if someone dresses and acts the way someone is expected to, most people will not question them. If John McCain did direct traffic at an Arizona Diamondbacks game, chances are he wouldn't be called on it–most people would just rationalize it as someone who just looked a lot like John McCain.
In any case, he could probably still hold one of those STOP/SLOW paddles.
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Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on February 21, 2018, 12:44:50 PM
So, are we suggesting the forum host user photos?
Yes, since they're requested, and It's gonna be eons before I get a chance to be in Lower Merion again, by the time that time rolls around, all the goodies will be replaced by McCains
I hate it when that happens.
(https://i.imgur.com/yR973nl.jpg)
Oh, that's great for a first laugh of the day!
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Quote from: davewiecking on February 22, 2018, 12:13:36 AM
I've taken traffic direction from any number of people without looking at their faces-I suppose mostly leaving major sporting events. If someone's got a whistle, or an orange-tipped flashlight, or a reflective vest, I wouldn't stop to analyze whether the individual was a legislator or not. However, due to his mistreatment at the hands of the North Vietnamese, the heroic and Distinguished Senior Senator from Arizona does have an affliction that would make him rather ill-suited to this task: his inability to raise his arms above his shoulders.
It's a pretty well-documented matter of social engineering that if someone dresses and acts the way someone is expected to, most people will not question them. If John McCain did direct traffic at an Arizona Diamondbacks game, chances are he wouldn't be called on it–most people would just rationalize it as someone who just looked a lot like John McCain.
In any case, he could probably still hold one of those STOP/SLOW paddles.
Doing a volunteer event in Philly, some of our volunteers were told not to act as crossing guards, stopping motorists to let our walkers cross, even at a stop sign when the walkers had the right of way. The cops told us traffic won't obey them - a guy in an orange vest doesn't stand a chance! lol
That said - yeah, if a guy in the road looks legit, acts legit, and there's a clear legit reason why they're directing traffic, I'm not going to question what they're doing.
For those of you who live in the Philadelphia area
Please capture pictures of obsolete traffic signal equipment in SE-PA before they get replaced, I can't go to specific intersections, since I'm a bit too young and I have to follow rules and regulations.
I request the following intersections:
Bristol Oxford Valley Road/Bath Road in Bristol Township (In danger of being replaced)
Mill Creek Road/Edgley Road in Bristol Township (In danger of being replaced)
Coshohonken State Road/Rock Hill Road in Lower Merion Township
East Levering Road/Belmont Avenue in Lower Merion Township
All of these intersections have old 12" Flatback doghouses, and I need pictures before they get replaced, they're the last known sets in the state that have Vietnam War era 12" Flatback doghouses. Please, I have a difficult enough time getting these pictures as it is. Full clear shots of the full intersection, (Doghouses must be included), I will give credit to whoever sends these, and I will add the images to my Flickr, as I have consent from the photographer. Shots of every signal head found in these intersections would be nice too.
Hurry, PennDOT loves to be slick. Trust me, I look at pictures from other signal geeks, and I turn green with envy. Especially Ian and macsignals, who also live within the Philadelphia area. Ian captured all the old signals in Chester before they were fish-bait, he has art decos for God's sake. And Macsignals has pictures of the awesome sets of 70s era 12" Flatback doghouses in Bristol.
I just want pictures of the Lower Merion doghouses before they get replaced, is that sooooo much to ask for?
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 22, 2018, 10:12:34 PM
I just want pictures of the Lower Merion doghouses before they get replaced, is that sooooo much to ask for?
Again, SEPTA should get pretty close to them, and then you can walk the remaining distance. Is there any reason why that doesn't work?
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 22, 2018, 10:12:34 PM
I just want pictures of the Lower Merion doghouses before they get replaced, is that sooooo much to ask for?
Chill man. If there's someone in the area I'm sure they can help. You can't beg people though.
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Quote from: traffic light guy on February 22, 2018, 10:12:34 PM
I just want pictures of the Lower Merion doghouses before they get replaced, is that sooooo much to ask for?
Chill man. If there's someone in the area I'm sure they can help. You can't beg people though.
I aplogize, I'll chill
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Quote from: traffic light guy on February 22, 2018, 10:12:34 PM
I just want pictures of the Lower Merion doghouses before they get replaced, is that sooooo much to ask for?
Chill man. If there's someone in the area I'm sure they can help. You can't beg people though.
My folks might think its a waste of time, going that far just to see a stoplight
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I just want pictures of the Lower Merion doghouses before they get replaced, is that sooooo much to ask for?
Chill man. If there's someone in the area I'm sure they can help. You can't beg people though.
My folks might think its a waste of time, going that far just to see a stoplight
Just tell them how important this is to you. I'm pretty confident that they will take you. Don't assume that they will say no, ASK THEM.
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I just want pictures of the Lower Merion doghouses before they get replaced, is that sooooo much to ask for?
Chill man. If there's someone in the area I'm sure they can help. You can't beg people though.
My folks might think its a waste of time, going that far just to see a stoplight
There's people on this board that have travelled hundreds of miles to see something. Or hundreds of miles just to clinch a road, a state, or a county. That part ain't unusual!!
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I just want pictures of the Lower Merion doghouses before they get replaced, is that sooooo much to ask for?
Chill man. If there's someone in the area I'm sure they can help. You can't beg people though.
My folks might think its a waste of time, going that far just to see a stoplight
There's people on this board that have travelled hundreds of miles to see something. Or hundreds of miles just to clinch a road, a state, or a county. That part ain't unusual!!
You don't have friends that have a car? Give them some gas money and offer to buy them lunch if you do then your problem is solved.
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I just want pictures of the Lower Merion doghouses before they get replaced, is that sooooo much to ask for?
Chill man. If there's someone in the area I'm sure they can help. You can't beg people though.
My folks might think its a waste of time, going that far just to see a stoplight
There's people on this board that have travelled hundreds of miles to see something. Or hundreds of miles just to clinch a road, a state, or a county. That part ain't unusual!!
You don't have friends that have a car? Give them some gas money and offer to buy them lunch if you do then your problem is solved.
None of them have cars
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Quote from: traffic light guy on February 22, 2018, 10:12:34 PM
I just want pictures of the Lower Merion doghouses before they get replaced, is that sooooo much to ask for?
Chill man. If there's someone in the area I'm sure they can help. You can't beg people though.
My folks might think its a waste of time, going that far just to see a stoplight
There's people on this board that have travelled hundreds of miles to see something. Or hundreds of miles just to clinch a road, a state, or a county. That part ain't unusual!!
You don't have friends that have a car? Give them some gas money and offer to buy them lunch if you do then your problem is solved.
None of them have cars
I guess unless you're on foot or convince your parents you're SOL then.
I'd personally just save up enough money to get the proper SEPTA tickets and go out there anyways. Shouldn't take more than a few hours, right?
The two signals in Lower Merion are within a 2 mile walk from the Manayunk station on SEPTA Regional Rail...so depending on how far you live from a station near you, you could take a train into Center City and then transfer to the Norristown line - that could easily be done on a weekend day. That is by using the Cynwyd Regional Rail-Trail, which is the high concrete arch bridge that towers over Manayunk, and the Schuylkill Expwy and River, which I want to walk on just for the views...
Does anyone know if the 12" Flatback doghouses in Bristol are still up, according to an E-Mail from PennDOT, they were installed a few months after the ones in Lower Merion, and I also need to take pictures of those. I'm searching the entire state on google maps, no luck, all I found were bland McCain installs.
Never mind about the Bristol doghouses, they were taken off the warrant list for some reason, and as of September they're still up
Also, don't worry about the Lower Merion signals. From what I understand that town reuses as much equipment as possible so they'll likely still be there when you get back down there next time.
Quote from: freebrickproductions on February 24, 2018, 09:45:30 PM
Also, don't worry about the Lower Merion signals. From what I understand that town reuses as much equipment as possible so they'll likely still be there when you get back down there next time.
How do you know that, you're eons away from PA
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Quote from: freebrickproductions on February 24, 2018, 09:45:30 PM
Also, don't worry about the Lower Merion signals. From what I understand that town reuses as much equipment as possible so they'll likely still be there when you get back down there next time.
How do you know that, you're eons away from PA
What's your assumption that they'll be gone? The way you're acting it's like you think that all these local DOTs are just waiting yank all those signals just to spite you.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2018, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 24, 2018, 11:00:03 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on February 24, 2018, 09:45:30 PM
Also, don't worry about the Lower Merion signals. From what I understand that town reuses as much equipment as possible so they'll likely still be there when you get back down there next time.
How do you know that, you're eons away from PA
What's your assumption that they'll be gone? The way you're acting it's like you think that all these local DOTs are just waiting yank all those signals just to spite you.
PA is very quick and sneaky, in the past decade 90% of the oldies from the 60s/70s/80s are gone
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Quote from: freebrickproductions on February 24, 2018, 09:45:30 PM
Also, don't worry about the Lower Merion signals. From what I understand that town reuses as much equipment as possible so they'll likely still be there when you get back down there next time.
How do you know that, you're eons away from PA
What's your assumption that they'll be gone? The way you're acting it's like you think that all these local DOTs are just waiting yank all those signals just to spite you.
PA is very quick and sneaky, in the past decade 90% of the oldies from the 60s/70s/80s are gone
I sincerely doubt all the traffic signals you want to see are going to be gone by the time you find some means of transportation. More so, if you don't get to see what you're after then so what? If you miss out you miss out, almost all of on here have missed out on something we wanted to see but you don't see this level of pining. What's the point of constantly complaining, especially when people on here have you given you suggestions on how to go see things. As far as I can tell you haven't done the bare minimum and even asked your parents.
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 24, 2018, 11:28:57 PM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2018, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 24, 2018, 11:00:03 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on February 24, 2018, 09:45:30 PM
Also, don't worry about the Lower Merion signals. From what I understand that town reuses as much equipment as possible so they'll likely still be there when you get back down there next time.
How do you know that, you're eons away from PA
What's your assumption that they'll be gone? The way you're acting it's like you think that all these local DOTs are just waiting yank all those signals just to spite you.
PA is very quick and sneaky, in the past decade 90% of the oldies from the 60s/70s/80s are gone
Modernizing equipment isn't being sneaky; it's keeping up with regular maintenance.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on February 24, 2018, 11:45:10 PM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on February 24, 2018, 11:26:40 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 24, 2018, 11:00:03 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on February 24, 2018, 09:45:30 PM
Also, don't worry about the Lower Merion signals. From what I understand that town reuses as much equipment as possible so they'll likely still be there when you get back down there next time.
How do you know that, you're eons away from PA
What's your assumption that they'll be gone? The way you're acting it's like you think that all these local DOTs are just waiting yank all those signals just to spite you.
PA is very quick and sneaky, in the past decade 90% of the oldies from the 60s/70s/80s are gone
Modernizing equipment isn't being sneaky; it's keeping up with regular maintenance.
Not modernizing things is how you end up with things like a swath of 30 plus year old faded BGS signs still displaying crumbling button copy....like most the freeway and expressways in California. It might look cool but it isn't as efficient nor well designed as the newer technology.
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 24, 2018, 11:00:03 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on February 24, 2018, 09:45:30 PM
Also, don't worry about the Lower Merion signals. From what I understand that town reuses as much equipment as possible so they'll likely still be there when you get back down there next time.
How do you know that, you're eons away from PA
I've talked with other signal collectors in your area who've been in that area a lot.
Moving on, I was being a bit dramatic, it's not a big deal, if something gets replaced, I have to accept it and move on. There are many places in PA that have old traffic lights
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 25, 2018, 03:24:04 PM
Moving on, I was being a bit dramatic, it's not a big deal, if something gets replaced, I have to accept it and move on. There are many places in PA that have old traffic lights
Did you convince your parents to drive you out to Lower Merion? I see you posted those Flatback signals on your Flickr. Not that I have any idea what a flatback is.
Quote from: jakeroot on February 25, 2018, 06:52:29 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 25, 2018, 03:24:04 PM
Moving on, I was being a bit dramatic, it's not a big deal, if something gets replaced, I have to accept it and move on. There are many places in PA that have old traffic lights
Did you convince your parents to drive you out to Lower Merion? I see you posted those Flatback signals on your Flickr. Not that I have any idea what a flatback is.
I made some agreements, don't worry about it
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Quote from: traffic light guy on February 25, 2018, 03:24:04 PM
Moving on, I was being a bit dramatic, it's not a big deal, if something gets replaced, I have to accept it and move on. There are many places in PA that have old traffic lights
Did you convince your parents to drive you out to Lower Merion? I see you posted those Flatback signals on your Flickr. Not that I have any idea what a flatback is.
I made some agreements, don't worry about it
"Don't worry about it"? You made a thread about how stressed out you are, obviously seeking some mental and physical assistance. Now you've suddenly got it all figured out, and tell us not to worry? Fill us in, bud. Don't waste our damn time like that.
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Quote from: jakeroot on February 25, 2018, 06:52:29 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 25, 2018, 03:24:04 PM
Moving on, I was being a bit dramatic, it's not a big deal, if something gets replaced, I have to accept it and move on. There are many places in PA that have old traffic lights
Did you convince your parents to drive you out to Lower Merion? I see you posted those Flatback signals on your Flickr. Not that I have any idea what a flatback is.
I made some agreements, don't worry about it
"Don't worry about it"? You made a thread about how stressed out you are, obviously seeking some mental and physical assistance. Now you've suddenly got it all figured out, and tell us not to worry? Fill us in, bud. Don't waste our damn time like that.
I figured some things out, and I expressed myself to a few people, that's all I have to say.
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Quote from: jakeroot on February 25, 2018, 06:52:29 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 25, 2018, 03:24:04 PM
Moving on, I was being a bit dramatic, it's not a big deal, if something gets replaced, I have to accept it and move on. There are many places in PA that have old traffic lights
Did you convince your parents to drive you out to Lower Merion? I see you posted those Flatback signals on your Flickr. Not that I have any idea what a flatback is.
I made some agreements, don't worry about it
"Don't worry about it"? You made a thread about how stressed out you are, obviously seeking some mental and physical assistance. Now you've suddenly got it all figured out, and tell us not to worry? Fill us in, bud. Don't waste our damn time like that.
I figured some things out, and I expressed myself to a few people, that's all I have to say.
(https://i.imgur.com/EgqnRyp.gif)
Or in other words, I took you guys' advice
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 25, 2018, 08:01:27 PM
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I made some agreements, don't worry about it
I figured some things out, and I expressed myself to a few people, that's all I have to say.
That sounds exceedingly sketchy...
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Quote from: traffic light guy on February 25, 2018, 08:01:27 PM
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I made some agreements, don't worry about it
I figured some things out, and I expressed myself to a few people, that's all I have to say.
That sounds exceedingly sketchy...
He donated to John McCain's reelection fund.
Now, does anybody know what other sites I can express my traffic signal interest, I need to look for a site that has a lot of signal geeks, not just road guys. Such as a forum (Not highway divides)
Quote from: traffic light guy on February 26, 2018, 09:58:32 PM
Now, does anybody know what other sites I can express my traffic signal interest, I need to look for a site that has a lot of signal geeks, not just road guys. Such as a forum (Not highway divides)
nope..
What did you guys think of my flatback doghouse pictures?
I mean, they look like cool old stoplights, but there's not much else I can say due to lack of knowledge.
How about you start a thread where you educate us on different models of traffic signals and their distinguishing characteristics? I'm sure that's information that lots of us would love to learn, but since it isn't discussed here much haven't had a chance. Without being able to tell a McCain from a flatback it's hard to appreciate the picture.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 27, 2018, 02:53:14 AM
I mean, they look like cool old stoplights, but there's not much else I can say due to lack of knowledge.
How about you start a thread where you educate us on different models of traffic signals and their distinguishing characteristics? I'm sure that's information that lots of us would love to learn, but since it isn't discussed here much haven't had a chance. Without being able to tell a McCain from a flatback it's hard to appreciate the picture.
That will be saved for a future topic
Okay, but do realize that until you do that most of us are going to have about as much idea of what you're talking about as if you were posting in Korean.
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 27, 2018, 04:47:19 PM
Okay, but do realize that until you do that most of us are going to have about as much idea of what you're talking about as if you were posting in Korean.
Aaaannnndd we just lost half of our N/S Korean users! :-D</sarcasm>
What should I do when everything in my area gets replaced by McCains, which is pretty soon, at the rate of how PA replaces stuff. No exaggeration, EVERY new signal in Philly in the past six years has been a McCain. It's really hard to accept new signals for what they are if I see them all the damn time.
They will become old one day. Just have to be patient.
Quote from: signalman on March 23, 2018, 06:02:40 PM
They will become old one day. Just have to be patient.
McCain is not already old? He's 81.
Quote from: traffic light guy on March 23, 2018, 05:38:57 PM
What should I do when everything in my area gets replaced by McCains, which is pretty soon, at the rate of how PA replaces stuff. No exaggeration, EVERY new signal in Philly in the past six years has been a McCain. It's really hard to accept new signals for what they are if I see them all the damn time.
Keep in touch with local agencies, and see what they do with the old signals. The best you can do is relieve them of the signal, and keep it in a personal collection. They're not going to remain operational forever. The agencies have to replace them eventually.
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Quote from: signalman on March 23, 2018, 06:02:40 PM
They will become old one day. Just have to be patient.
McCain is not already old? He's 81.
(https://i.imgur.com/EhFSvcC.gif)
Quote from: signalman on March 23, 2018, 06:02:40 PM
They will become old one day. Just have to be patient.
McCain's will be the last generation of traffic lights, due to self driving cars
I lurk here with alot to add to these traffic signal topics but after reading these posts I am not going to bother....
Quote from: traffic light guy on March 23, 2018, 09:35:55 PM
Quote from: signalman on March 23, 2018, 06:02:40 PM
They will become old one day. Just have to be patient.
McCain's will be the last generation of traffic lights, due to self driving cars
Not necessarily. McCain is far from the only manufacturer of signals world-wide. It just so happens that many signals installed in North America are McCains. All it takes is for McCain to manufacture a string of unreliable signals for agencies to consider alternative manufacturers. It's just that...that isn't the case. McCains are pretty good signals, if not a bit boring to look at.
Because I rarely pay attention, what other manufacturers operate in North America? McCain appears to be rather dominant these days, but I'm sure others exist, and are more popular in their own areas.
Quote from: basilicon89 on March 23, 2018, 09:50:30 PM
I lurk here with alot to add to these traffic signal topics but after reading these posts I am not going to bother....
Yeah, probably a good idea. This is kind of an odd topic anyway.
If all the good stuff gets replaced, I'll just go to other states for pictures
To be fair, Eagle flatbacks probably were the McCains of the 70s
Now that I have an idea of what a McCain looks like, I went looking around Norman for them. I found a few. I have no idea what the dominant signal type in Oklahoma is, but it's not McCains. It's whatever these are:
(https://i.imgur.com/nkH0j1M.png)
Looking on GSV, it looks like they actually tore out some McCains to put these in!
Quote from: 1 on March 23, 2018, 06:09:19 PM
Quote from: signalman on March 23, 2018, 06:02:40 PM
They will become old one day. Just have to be patient.
McCain is not already old? He's 81.
Roberta, the Senator's mother, still hanging around at 106.
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 24, 2018, 02:53:52 AM
Now that I have an idea of what a McCain looks like, I went looking around Norman for them. I found a few. I have no idea what the dominant signal type in Oklahoma is, but it's not McCains. It's whatever these are:
(https://i.imgur.com/nkH0j1M.png)
Looking on GSV, it looks like they actually tore out some McCains to put these in!
Those are Eagle durasigs
So, is the housing what the 'model' is referring to?
Or:
Visor type
Backplate
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on March 26, 2018, 12:41:35 PM
So, is the housing what the 'model' is referring to?
Or:
Visor type
Backplate
The signal housing
Been keeping my eye out for different types of signal housings and it's fascinating. So far it looks like ODOT prefers the Eagle Durasigs and the City of Norman likes McCains. The closest signal to my house is a McCain setup. But neither agency bothers to coordinate all the signal heads on one installation–there's plenty of signals with McCains and Durasigs on the same mastarm, for instance. No surprise when it comes to ODOT, but I'm a little taken aback by Norman doing this–they're quite a bit more fastidious about traffic control than ODOT is.
I've also seen a few installs of this signal type, which I'm not entirely sure about. What is this?
(https://i.imgur.com/cZ13LFX.png)
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 27, 2018, 05:59:02 PM
Been keeping my eye out for different types of signal housings and it's fascinating. So far it looks like ODOT prefers the Eagle Durasigs and the City of Norman likes McCains. The closest signal to my house is a McCain setup. But neither agency bothers to coordinate all the signal heads on one installation–there's plenty of signals with McCains and Durasigs on the same mastarm, for instance. No surprise when it comes to ODOT, but I'm a little taken aback by Norman doing this–they're quite a bit more fastidious about traffic control than ODOT is.
I've also seen a few installs of this signal type, which I'm not entirely sure about. What is this?
(https://i.imgur.com/cZ13LFX.png)
Those are either TCT or Peek signals
I know I've made this post elsewhere, but can someone help me find more old signals within the Philadelphia area. (Anything that's at least 40 years old) This time, I'm gonna write down the locations, so I can document them and photograph them.
I also need to find more old doghouses
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 27, 2018, 05:59:02 PM
I've also seen a few installs of this signal type, which I'm not entirely sure about. What is this?
(https://i.imgur.com/cZ13LFX.png)
WisDOT has a ton of ones that look like that right now. TCT, as traffic light guy suggests as an option, isn't on WisDOT's approved product listing (http://wisconsindot.gov/Pages/doing-bus/eng-consultants/cnslt-rsrces/tools/prods/658.aspx), so I'm pretty-sure it's Peek.
Peek signals are pretty common in Washington State as well. Here's an up-close shot of one. It's near-impossible to tell, but the word "PEEK" is spelled out on each head:
(https://i.imgur.com/kJjpoAK.jpg)
WSDOT used to install McCain's pretty regularly, but recently they've moved away from them. Here's a shot of an intersection with several inactivate-but-very-new signals. Not sure what model:
(https://i.imgur.com/1KFZYCx.jpg)
Quote from: jakeroot on March 28, 2018, 05:59:04 PM
Peek signals are pretty common in Washington State as well. Here's an up-close shot of one. It's near-impossible to tell, but the word "PEEK" is spelled out on each head:
(https://i.imgur.com/kJjpoAK.jpg)
WSDOT used to install McCain's pretty regularly, but recently they've moved away from them. Here's a shot of an intersection with several inactivate-but-very-new signals. Not sure what model:
(https://i.imgur.com/1KFZYCx.jpg)
The bubbleback signals are Eagle Siemens traffic lights
Quote from: traffic light guy on March 28, 2018, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 28, 2018, 05:59:04 PM
Peek signals are pretty common in Washington State as well. Here's an up-close shot of one. It's near-impossible to tell, but the word "PEEK" is spelled out on each head:
(https://i.imgur.com/kJjpoAK.jpg)
WSDOT used to install McCain's pretty regularly, but recently they've moved away from them. Here's a shot of an intersection with several inactivate-but-very-new signals. Not sure what model:
(https://i.imgur.com/1KFZYCx.jpg)
The bubbleback signals are Eagle Siemens traffic lights
Can wind slats be a part of the model or I guess the backplate is an optional thing...?
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Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on March 28, 2018, 08:53:28 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on March 28, 2018, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 28, 2018, 05:59:04 PM
Peek signals are pretty common in Washington State as well. Here's an up-close shot of one. It's near-impossible to tell, but the word "PEEK" is spelled out on each head:
(https://i.imgur.com/kJjpoAK.jpg)
WSDOT used to install McCain's pretty regularly, but recently they've moved away from them. Here's a shot of an intersection with several inactivate-but-very-new signals. Not sure what model:
(https://i.imgur.com/1KFZYCx.jpg)
The bubbleback signals are Eagle Siemens traffic lights
Can wind slats be a part of the model or I guess the backplate is an optional thing...?
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Backplates are optional
Those bubble-back signals are fairly common in Utah, except they're more likely to be yellow, and they usually have backplates. In the past few years, UDOT has started to replace a lot of their existing signals (which work fine, and most of them are fairly new anyway) with new McCains. Not surprising for Utah, where you're unlikely to find anything more than 20 years old.
Quote from: traffic light guy on March 28, 2018, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 28, 2018, 05:59:04 PM
WSDOT used to install McCain's pretty regularly, but recently they've moved away from them. Here's a shot of an intersection with several inactivate-but-very-new signals. Not sure what model:
https://i.imgur.com/1KFZYCx.jpg
The bubbleback signals are Eagle Siemens traffic lights
Thanks for that. I definitely prefer them and PEEK signals to McCains, thanks mostly to this thread.
Quote from: roadguy2 on March 28, 2018, 10:34:29 PM
Those bubble-back signals are fairly common in Utah, except they're more likely to be yellow, and they usually have backplates. In the past few years, UDOT has started to replace a lot of their existing signals (which work fine, and most of them are fairly new anyway) with new McCains. Not surprising for Utah, where you're unlikely to find anything more than 20 years old.
You also see yellow-painted bubble-back signals here in Washington, but the number of cities that use yellow signals is declining every year. The ones that do use them tend to paint the entire backside. Here's an example...
(https://i.imgur.com/d4XExZ9.jpg)
I've seen a few yellow McCains but they're not common.
Quote from: jakeroot on March 29, 2018, 11:54:22 AM
Quote from: traffic light guy on March 28, 2018, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 28, 2018, 05:59:04 PM
WSDOT used to install McCain's pretty regularly, but recently they've moved away from them. Here's a shot of an intersection with several inactivate-but-very-new signals. Not sure what model:
https://i.imgur.com/1KFZYCx.jpg
The bubbleback signals are Eagle Siemens traffic lights
Thanks for that. I definitely prefer them and PEEK signals to McCains, thanks mostly to this thread.
Quote from: roadguy2 on March 28, 2018, 10:34:29 PM
Those bubble-back signals are fairly common in Utah, except they're more likely to be yellow, and they usually have backplates. In the past few years, UDOT has started to replace a lot of their existing signals (which work fine, and most of them are fairly new anyway) with new McCains. Not surprising for Utah, where you're unlikely to find anything more than 20 years old.
You also see yellow-painted bubble-back signals here in Washington, but the number of cities that use yellow signals is declining every year. The ones that do use them tend to paint the entire backside. Here's an example...
(https://i.imgur.com/d4XExZ9.jpg)
I've seen a few yellow McCains but they're not common.
Some cities are addicted to using yellow, Philly's signals were green until the 60s
What should I do if my favorite setup gets replaced, it's really hard to accept new signals for what they are
Nothing.
Quote from: traffic light guy on March 29, 2018, 12:26:23 PM
What should I do if my favorite setup gets replaced, it's really hard to accept new signals for what they are
Yeah, not really anything. Traffic lights aren't like an old building or public art. They have a shelf life and they eventually have to go.
I've suggested to you before that you contact the local public works department to see if you can relieve them of one or two old signals (so you can keep them as part of a personal collection). Apart from that, there's nothing you can do to further enjoy them.
If you still can't accept the situation, I'd suggest visiting a shrink.
I personally think yellow looks better on signals, but that's just me.
Also, if you want to TLG, you can keep an eye out on Ebay and Craigslist (along with GovDeals) for old signals that you want (such as Eagle Flat-backs) and see about getting them if you have the money and they're a good price.
Quote from: freebrickproductions on March 29, 2018, 01:13:42 PM
I personally think yellow looks better on signals, but that's just me.
I'm really torn. I'm used to seeing yellow signals in Vancouver (where everything is yellow -- housing, lens, front and rear of the backplate), and I like them. They stand out from the environment, which I suppose is the point. On the other hand, I'm very used to seeing all black signals in most Washington cities, which I think fit in better with the environment, especially in this darker and rainier part of the country.
Getting this worked up over traffic signals is ridiculous. I enjoy the old stuff and the new technologies being implemented. It goes beyond the signal heads. Next generation traffic control includes alot of V2I communication, faster more powerful controllers, energy efficient cabinets and low voltage LEDs.
The old stuff had its time. We aren't typing on computer with large CRT monitors and adjusting rabbit ears anymore...times change and so does technology. Signal heads are the cheapest part of a signal system between 200 and 400 for a 3 light LED head. Cabinets cost upwards of 25,000 and outfitting a compuete interection with video detection cameras can run up to 10,000.
Stuff comes down because its worn out. More than you see from driving under it. Frozen screws, broken lenses, rotting wiring, water intrusion....they all play into why certain signal heads come down. I bought 2 GE four ways from the mid 1940s era that came down in 2011 from a small town and both of them had wiring that literally crumbled when you touched it. Plus the seals were almost all gone. I kept one and rewired it, sold the other. GE stopped making these signals in the mid 50s so an almost 70 year run wasnt bad.
Today signal heads are designed to last until the next upgrade. Technology changes so rapidly now versus even 20 years ago that its not cost effective to build to last when in 10-20 years the tech will be improved again. Manufacturers like McCain and Econolite barely make a profit on signal heads. Their real money is in software, controller hardware, and more recently V2I tech.
So...thats my take on it. Time isnt going to stop. If you appreciate the old stuff, consider purchasing some of it. I have signals from the 40s era up to today in my personal display.
-Nick
Quote from: basilicon89 on March 29, 2018, 01:52:14 PM
I bought 2 GE four ways from the mid 1940s era that came down in 2011 from a small town and both of them had wiring that literally crumbled when you touched it.
Speaking of things crumbling, when I had purchased an old Eagle Alusig 12-8-8, there were a bunch of dead bugs in it when I opened the signal door on the 12" section. There was this really fat dead spider, so I grabbed a paper towel to get rid of it, and the thing turned to
powder the moment the towel touched it. Total dust. I wonder how long it had been in there.
Quote from: jakeroot on March 29, 2018, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on March 29, 2018, 01:13:42 PM
I personally think yellow looks better on signals, but that's just me.
I'm really torn. I'm used to seeing yellow signals in Vancouver (where everything is yellow -- housing, lens, front and rear of the backplate), and I like them. They stand out from the environment, which I suppose is the point. On the other hand, I'm very used to seeing all black signals in most Washington cities, which I think fit in better with the environment, especially in this darker and rainier part of the country.
Yellow signals are cool and yellow backplates are cool, but I can't stand them combined with each other personally. Looks really ugly in my opinion. However, I love the black signals and yellow backplates and the dark green signals and yellow backplates. On the topic of British Columbia, I also thoroughly like their overuse of Clearview on everything. There's something about it that other transportation departments don't do that I like.
I've also edited in FWHA on to the numbers on BC's shield, and it actually looks
worse. Whatever font they're using on it now (helvetica, arial?) is a pretty good fit, despite being nonstandard. BC seems to be pretty good at making non-FHWA fonts look good on signage.
Quote from: traffic light guy on March 29, 2018, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 29, 2018, 11:54:22 AM
Quote from: traffic light guy on March 28, 2018, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 28, 2018, 05:59:04 PM
WSDOT used to install McCain's pretty regularly, but recently they've moved away from them. Here's a shot of an intersection with several inactivate-but-very-new signals. Not sure what model:
https://i.imgur.com/1KFZYCx.jpg
The bubbleback signals are Eagle Siemens traffic lights
Thanks for that. I definitely prefer them and PEEK signals to McCains, thanks mostly to this thread.
Quote from: roadguy2 on March 28, 2018, 10:34:29 PM
Those bubble-back signals are fairly common in Utah, except they’re more likely to be yellow, and they usually have backplates. In the past few years, UDOT has started to replace a lot of their existing signals (which work fine, and most of them are fairly new anyway) with new McCains. Not surprising for Utah, where you’re unlikely to find anything more than 20 years old.
You also see yellow-painted bubble-back signals here in Washington, but the number of cities that use yellow signals is declining every year. The ones that do use them tend to paint the entire backside. Here's an example...
(https://i.imgur.com/d4XExZ9.jpg)
I've seen a few yellow McCains but they're not common.
Some cities are addicted to using yellow, Philly's signals were green until the 60s
Most signals in Utah are yellow, and UDOT's new McCains are all yellow. In fact, in the past 20 years UDOT has only installed yellow signals with black backplates (I've never seen a painted backplate). With few exceptions, if you're in Utah and you see a signal that isn't yellow, that's a pretty good clue that you aren't on a state highway. (However, the converse is not true, since many cities use the UDOT specs for their signals.) Salt Lake City, for example, uses black signals at its city-maintained intersections.
Quote from: index on March 29, 2018, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 29, 2018, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on March 29, 2018, 01:13:42 PM
I personally think yellow looks better on signals, but that's just me.
I'm really torn. I'm used to seeing yellow signals in Vancouver (where everything is yellow -- housing, lens, front and rear of the backplate), and I like them. They stand out from the environment, which I suppose is the point. On the other hand, I'm very used to seeing all black signals in most Washington cities, which I think fit in better with the environment, especially in this darker and rainier part of the country.
Yellow signals are cool and yellow backplates are cool, but I can't stand them combined with each other personally. Looks really ugly in my opinion. However, I love the black signals and yellow backplates and the dark green signals and yellow backplates.
I don't really have a preference for yellow or black signals. However, I'm not really a fan of the yellow reflective strip around the edges of an otherwise all-black signal. Here's an example. (https://goo.gl/maps/NXZ16q8yKT22)
Quote from: index on March 29, 2018, 02:51:01 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 29, 2018, 01:48:37 PM
Quote from: freebrickproductions on March 29, 2018, 01:13:42 PM
I personally think yellow looks better on signals, but that's just me.
I'm really torn. I'm used to seeing yellow signals in Vancouver (where everything is yellow -- housing, lens, front and rear of the backplate), and I like them. They stand out from the environment, which I suppose is the point. On the other hand, I'm very used to seeing all black signals in most Washington cities, which I think fit in better with the environment, especially in this darker and rainier part of the country.
Yellow signals are cool and yellow backplates are cool, but I can't stand them combined with each other personally. Looks really ugly in my opinion. However, I love the black signals and yellow backplates and the dark green signals and yellow backplates. On the topic of British Columbia, I also thoroughly like their overuse of Clearview on everything. There's something about it that other transportation departments don't do that I like.
I've also edited in FWHA on to the numbers on BC's shield, and it actually looks worse. Whatever font they're using on it now (helvetica, arial?) is a pretty good fit, despite being nonstandard. BC seems to be pretty good at making non-FHWA fonts look good on signage.
I can't seem to figure out what's going on in BC, as far as signal housing color. All backplates are yellow, and a retroreflective yellow strip is always included. But some signal housings are black. I've even seen blue and red. But the Province seems to allow any color, with black or yellow being the preference. Assuming a yellow backplate is non-negotiable, I also prefer black housings. Not a giant fan of green signals. They're common in WA, but they all seem dark enough that they might as well be black, but...no.
On Clearview; yes, BC does kind of do their own thing. They completely switched over in 2006. Nothing is off-limits for Clearview, and I believe each width has been used at some point (5W being the most common, and 1 being the least common AFAIK).
On the shields; Helvetica is the font used for all shields except for the "1" on the TCH logo (see two shields side-by-side here (https://i.imgur.com/Z3iRplV.jpg)). Not sure how that was decided, but I do appreciate the Helvetica. I'm normally not a fan of Helvetica, but it works well in this situation. I'm not aware of any other jurisdictions using Helvetica. Neighbouring Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba use Clearview for their shields. Pretty sure the rest of the provinces use Highway Gothic.
Quote from: roadguy2 on March 29, 2018, 04:42:18 PM
I'm not really a fan of the yellow reflective strip around the edges of an otherwise all-black signal. Here's an example (https://goo.gl/maps/NXZ16q8yKT22).
Neither am I. That's by far the most popular look around Washington these days, with a few holdouts (Bellevue being the most notable, with Tacoma also being slow to adopt). Here's an example from my area (near identical to what I see in your link, though): https://goo.gl/QhS5Uu
Traffic signals that look like this have been prevalent in my area since about early 2015 or so, when they also started phasing in the Flashing Yellow Arrows (FYA). Here is an example close to me. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7741921,-84.97191,3a,90y,341.16h,96.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgsJnD0-DTlAm0ZaD3RuoHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on March 30, 2018, 09:18:47 PM
Traffic signals that look like this have been prevalent in my area since about early 2015 or so, when they also started phasing in the Flashing Yellow Arrows (FYA). Here is an example close to me. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7741921,-84.97191,3a,90y,341.16h,96.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgsJnD0-DTlAm0ZaD3RuoHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
That intersection is Doghouse Central!
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Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on March 30, 2018, 09:29:10 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on March 30, 2018, 09:18:47 PM
Traffic signals that look like this have been prevalent in my area since about early 2015 or so, when they also started phasing in the Flashing Yellow Arrows (FYA). Here is an example close to me. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7741921,-84.97191,3a,90y,341.16h,96.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgsJnD0-DTlAm0ZaD3RuoHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
That intersection is Doghouse Central!
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True, but I was referring to traffic signals that are black but now have the yellow outlining around them. There are many places locally, though, that have both the FYA and the yellow outlines. :-P
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on March 30, 2018, 09:18:47 PM
Traffic signals that look like this have been prevalent in my area since about early 2015 or so, when they also started phasing in the Flashing Yellow Arrows (FYA). Here is an example close to me. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7741921,-84.97191,3a,90y,341.16h,96.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgsJnD0-DTlAm0ZaD3RuoHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
They appear to be PEEK's, my new-found favorite signal manufacturer.
Here is an example of this in my area with the FYA. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7904087,-84.9619225,3a,75y,358.78h,100.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sHHlT5dlBAWBOXbNAW2JW8A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Quote from: jakeroot on March 30, 2018, 09:56:47 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on March 30, 2018, 09:18:47 PM
Traffic signals that look like this have been prevalent in my area since about early 2015 or so, when they also started phasing in the Flashing Yellow Arrows (FYA). Here is an example close to me. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7741921,-84.97191,3a,90y,341.16h,96.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgsJnD0-DTlAm0ZaD3RuoHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
They appear to be PEEK's, my new-found favorite signal manufacturer.
Oh okay, that's cool! Even though I don't have as much knowledge on them, from the way they look, I love them as well. :nod:
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on March 30, 2018, 10:49:18 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 30, 2018, 09:56:47 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on March 30, 2018, 09:18:47 PM
Traffic signals that look like this have been prevalent in my area since about early 2015 or so, when they also started phasing in the Flashing Yellow Arrows (FYA). Here is an example close to me. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7741921,-84.97191,3a,90y,341.16h,96.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgsJnD0-DTlAm0ZaD3RuoHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
They appear to be PEEK's, my new-found favorite signal manufacturer.
Oh okay, that's cool! Even though I don't have as much knowledge on them, from the way they look, I love them as well. :nod:
Not until this thread did I give a shit either. I never really paid any attention to the signals themselves, but now it's my favorite driving hobby! Thanks to this thread, mostly.
Quote from: jakeroot on March 30, 2018, 11:46:36 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on March 30, 2018, 10:49:18 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 30, 2018, 09:56:47 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on March 30, 2018, 09:18:47 PM
Traffic signals that look like this have been prevalent in my area since about early 2015 or so, when they also started phasing in the Flashing Yellow Arrows (FYA). Here is an example close to me. (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.7741921,-84.97191,3a,90y,341.16h,96.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgsJnD0-DTlAm0ZaD3RuoHg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
They appear to be PEEK's, my new-found favorite signal manufacturer.
Oh okay, that's cool! Even though I don't have as much knowledge on them, from the way they look, I love them as well. :nod:
Not until this thread did I give a shit either. I never really paid any attention to the signals themselves, but now it's my favorite driving hobby! Thanks to this thread, mostly.
Same here. Given Oklahoma's schizophrenia when it comes to anything transportation-related, I'm having fun constructing theories for why a given intersection might use one signal type and not another. I'm noticing that OkDOT tends to heavily favor the Eagle Durasigs, but I've seen McCains and Peeks on state highways. There's lots of mastarms in Norman with one signal type for the through movements and then a four-section McCain for the left turn signals–obviously whenever Norman switched to the FYA, they bought in bulk...
I am not entirely sure what determines who is responsible for signal specifications and installation around here–unlike in Missouri, mastarm signage on state highways follows city standards, and signal housings are such a mishmesh that I'm tempted to say the cities maintain those too. And yet the backplates were replaced on the state highways, and only the state highways, with new ones with wind vents and reflective borders. (Norman uses reflective borders on new installs, but never with vents.) It conjures up an image of an ODOT dump truck dropping all the old backplates on the lawn of Norman City Hall...
One observation of mine that hasn't been explicitly noted by our signal expert here: Eagle Durasigs tend to have thin yellow boxes on the signal faces, surrounding each lens and visor. McCains and Peeks don't have them.
I guess Eagle Durasigs are my favorite now–jakeroot is a Peek man–are we to have some sort of ritual fight to determine whose preferred signal type is better? Or will a 65-page thread on the subject suffice?
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2018, 03:02:43 AM
One observation of mine that hasn't been explicitly noted by our signal expert here: Eagle Durasigs tend to have thin yellow boxes on the signal faces, surrounding each lens and visor. McCains and Peeks don't have them.
That's due to the way Durasigs (and by extension, Alusigs, their aluminum counterparts) are built, and really only occurs on those signals with different colors for the doors/visors and the bodies.
Quote from: freebrickproductions on April 01, 2018, 01:40:40 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2018, 03:02:43 AM
One observation of mine that hasn't been explicitly noted by our signal expert here: Eagle Durasigs tend to have thin yellow boxes on the signal faces, surrounding each lens and visor. McCains and Peeks don't have them.
That's due to the way Durasigs (and by extension, Alusigs, their aluminum counterparts) are built, and really only occurs on those signals with different colors for the doors/visors and the bodies.
There's very few signal types that I haven't seen in my area at least once. But I'm pretty sure those signal heads with the thin yellow box is one that I have never seen. I seem to recall either Minnesota or Wisconsin being heavy users of them (with black backplates).
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2018, 03:02:43 AM
I guess Eagle Durasigs are my favorite now–jakeroot is a Peek man–are we to have some sort of ritual fight to determine whose preferred signal type is better? Or will a 65-page thread on the subject suffice?
Fight to the death is the only reasonable option, since a 65 page thread is also suicide, just slower.
Quote from: jakeroot on April 01, 2018, 07:26:55 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2018, 03:02:43 AM
I guess Eagle Durasigs are my favorite now–jakeroot is a Peek man–are we to have some sort of ritual fight to determine whose preferred signal type is better? Or will a 65-page thread on the subject suffice?
Fight to the death is the only reasonable option, since a 65 page thread is also suicide, just slower.
What if I have no preference for model? (Colors, though–all black with black backplates is clearly the best color scheme.)
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on April 01, 2018, 08:34:07 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 01, 2018, 07:26:55 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on April 01, 2018, 03:02:43 AM
I guess Eagle Durasigs are my favorite now–jakeroot is a Peek man–are we to have some sort of ritual fight to determine whose preferred signal type is better? Or will a 65-page thread on the subject suffice?
Fight to the death is the only reasonable option, since a 65 page thread is also suicide, just slower.
What if I have no preference for model? (Colors, though–all black with black backplates is clearly the best color scheme.)
Then it will be assumed that you are a McCain fan, and you will be sacrificed early on for displaying such heresy.
Jokes aside, black-on-black is also my favorite.
I have an empty feeling, due to the fact that other people on flickr have images of signals that I don't have. Out of all the collections on flickr, I may be the least favorite among the signalgeek community
Quote from: traffic light guy on December 26, 2018, 10:11:44 PM
I have an empty feeling, due to the fact that other people on flickr have images of signals that I don't have. Out of all the collections on flickr, I may be the least favorite among the signalgeek community
Nahh, no one likes a show off.
Quote from: traffic light guy on December 26, 2018, 10:11:44 PM
I have an empty feeling, due to the fact that other people on flickr have images of signals that I don't have. Out of all the collections on flickr, I may be the least favorite among the signalgeek community
Don't worry about it, your collection is not just defined by what is in it.
Quote from: traffic light guy on December 26, 2018, 10:11:44 PM
I have an empty feeling, due to the fact that other people on flickr have images of signals that I don't have. Out of all the collections on flickr, I may be the least favorite among the signalgeek community
I probably have less than you, only a railroad crossing Safetran Type 1 E bell and a McCain Pedestrian Signal
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