This is probably a confusing post, but I heard York, Pennsylvania's 98.5 classic rock station the other day, and it was noon, and apparently at noon they have a "request hour" where they claim that you can call in with a request. But it sounds like the requests aren't real. The hour consists of people with outlandish voices (the first giveaway) "requesting" a tune, and the DJ goes ahead with that song. I think the "requests" are pre-recorded by voice actors, and the DJ is merely conversing with the audio clips of those actors. And that means the song list has to be pre-set ahead of time.
I know this is weird but does anyone have any idea what I'm talking about?
Yes. That's what happens when only a couple companies own most of the radio stations.
Chances are the DJ isn't local either.
I always figured that the playlist is already set. But most of the people calling in are requesting the hit songs that station plays multiple times a day anyway. So just record some people requesting a song, and when that song is ready to be played, just play the recording of someone requesting that song.
There are some radio stations that do it the right way. Here in Philly, 93.3 WMMR truly plays requests. Some of them are truly older songs that you don't hear often, so the chances of someone calling in for a song already on a playlist is pretty low.
When 106.7 in my area was doing Christmas music, I requested the chipmunk song (which they never play). About 30 minutes later, they said my first name and the town where I live (which I gave them), so they obviously got my request, but then they played a version of We Need A Little Christmas. It was fast and had high voices singing in harmony, but it's still nowhere near the actual chipmunk song.
Stuff like this is why I like Buffalo's 92.9 (Jack FM), which explicitly states "no requests, no DJs". Yes, people do still call in (often drunk), and they will record and play those things at a later date. Those clips are WAY too ridiculous to be staged.
I have seen a few stations do true "request blocks". I was driving through Cleveland one night a few years ago and there was a big fire downtown. The classic rock station asked people to call in with "fire songs to support the firefighters" or something like that. And we got some really cool request songs that are never played, such as Harry Nilsson's "Jump Into the Fire", AC/DC's "This House Is On Fire", etc.
This has been going on for decades now. I remember a station doing "requests and dedications" each evening, and every caller sounded like they were 10, and they picked really bad music.
For years, Q-102 in Cincinnati had a nightly countdown of the most requested songs. But it fell to shambles by the mid-'90s, when the "Always Coca-Cola" jingle somehow made the countdown.
Also, anyone remember 'Friday Night Video Fights' on MTV? Back in the mid-'80s, MTV would have a show where they'd play two videos and you could call in and vote for your favorite. I remember seeing some suspicious come-from-behind victories where a video won 51% to 49%. I don't think it was Russian hackers.
It's possible that they were actors, but as someone pointed out, request hours are confined, in most cases, to the playlist.
Quote from: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 11:26:28 AM
Stuff like this is why I like Buffalo's 92.9 (Jack FM), which explicitly states "no requests, no DJs". Yes, people do still call in (often drunk), and they will record and play those things at a later date. Those clips are WAY too ridiculous to be staged.
I have seen a few stations do true "request blocks". I was driving through Cleveland one night a few years ago and there was a big fire downtown. The classic rock station asked people to call in with "fire songs to support the firefighters" or something like that. And we got some really cool request songs that are never played, such as Harry Nilsson's "Jump Into the Fire", AC/DC's "This House Is On Fire", etc.
Jack FM is just one of the brands... Jacksonville had a jack FM. They were the rebellions "we play what we want" persona. I have heard "jack FM" in several cities
Z981
Quote from: jwolfer on January 15, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
I have heard "jack FM" in several cities
Z981
Chicago just got rid of JACK-FM, and replaced it with yet another hip hop station.
Quote from: jwolfer on January 15, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 11:26:28 AM
Stuff like this is why I like Buffalo's 92.9 (Jack FM), which explicitly states "no requests, no DJs". Yes, people do still call in (often drunk), and they will record and play those things at a later date. Those clips are WAY too ridiculous to be staged.
I have seen a few stations do true "request blocks". I was driving through Cleveland one night a few years ago and there was a big fire downtown. The classic rock station asked people to call in with "fire songs to support the firefighters" or something like that. And we got some really cool request songs that are never played, such as Harry Nilsson's "Jump Into the Fire", AC/DC's "This House Is On Fire", etc.
Jack FM is just one of the brands... Jacksonville had a jack FM. They we're the rebellions "we play what we want" persona. I have heard "jack FM" in several cities
Z981
I'm aware it's a brand. But it's a hell of a lot better than almost everything else up here as they don't play the same 10 songs on repeat.
Quote from: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 12:30:02 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 15, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 11:26:28 AM
Stuff like this is why I like Buffalo's 92.9 (Jack FM), which explicitly states "no requests, no DJs". Yes, people do still call in (often drunk), and they will record and play those things at a later date. Those clips are WAY too ridiculous to be staged.
I have seen a few stations do true "request blocks". I was driving through Cleveland one night a few years ago and there was a big fire downtown. The classic rock station asked people to call in with "fire songs to support the firefighters" or something like that. And we got some really cool request songs that are never played, such as Harry Nilsson's "Jump Into the Fire", AC/DC's "This House Is On Fire", etc.
Jack FM is just one of the brands... Jacksonville had a jack FM. They we're the rebellions "we play what we want" persona. I have heard "jack FM" in several cities
Z981
I'm aware it's a brand. But it's a hell of a lot better than almost everything else up here as they don't play the same 10 songs on repeat.
Where I live:
105.7, music from about 1965-1989 (they don't give exact years), seems to have about a 6 hour median repeat time.
99.5, classical music, is a bit hard to find a median repeat time since it's so long; many songs they play only once or less than once per year, while the most common ones are about once every 3 days.
All the current music stations, like 106.7 and 107.9 (incorrectly claimed to be exactly 108), has a median repeat time of about 1 hour.
I don't know how often the Spanish language station or any other older music stations repeat songs.
Quote from: jwolfer on January 15, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 11:26:28 AM
Stuff like this is why I like Buffalo's 92.9 (Jack FM), which explicitly states "no requests, no DJs". Yes, people do still call in (often drunk), and they will record and play those things at a later date. Those clips are WAY too ridiculous to be staged.
I have seen a few stations do true "request blocks". I was driving through Cleveland one night a few years ago and there was a big fire downtown. The classic rock station asked people to call in with "fire songs to support the firefighters" or something like that. And we got some really cool request songs that are never played, such as Harry Nilsson's "Jump Into the Fire", AC/DC's "This House Is On Fire", etc.
Jack FM is just one of the brands... Jacksonville had a jack FM. They we're the rebellions "we play what we want" persona. I have heard "jack FM" in several cities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_FM
Yes, in my wife's car it is always rap or people named Ed or Charlie
Quote from: texaskdog on January 15, 2018, 12:39:48 PM
Yes, in my wife's car it is always rap or people named Ed or Charlie
Cousin Brucie (aka Bruce Morrow) does a 4 hour show Wednesday and Saturday on Sirius XM. He usually opens the phone lines for one hour.
Most of the local stations around here have a live DJ in the morning, then switch to satellite feed. "Hap-E Larry's Request Express" come on Sunday night on the local oldies station and is primarily a local request show, but it's hard to get through and he spends too much time chatting with his drinking buddies who call in.
Quote from: inkyatari on January 15, 2018, 12:28:19 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 15, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
I have heard "jack FM" in several cities
Z981
Chicago just got rid of JACK-FM, and replaced it with yet another hip hop station.
After another stint as an oldies station. I always liked Nine FM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCPQ) better than Jack FM when Nine FM was on (2005-2008).
Quote from: Brandon on January 15, 2018, 01:42:19 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 15, 2018, 12:28:19 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 15, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
I have heard "jack FM" in several cities
Z981
Chicago just got rid of JACK-FM, and replaced it with yet another hip hop station.
After another stint as an oldies station. I always liked Nine FM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCPQ) better than Jack FM when Nine FM was on (2005-2008).
I loved 9 FM. They'd play stuff from today, then something from the 80's, and then wouldn't have a problem playing some Sinatra afterwards. I loved the format.
Once I was on their "you host" show. Can't remember the exact name of the show.
I recall only a few of the songs I had.. We're Not Gonna Take It - Twisted Sister , Steppin' Out - Joe Jackson, Turn It On - Genesis. I need to dig the tape up and listen to it again.
I was told in broadcasting school that it is set. If they really did your requests it would create a train wreck I was told. Programming is very critical and cannot be spontaneous due to ads and sponsors.
I do know that the 8th caller or 15th caller on conests is BS.as I learned while I toured cox media studios in Orlando, The DJ in the booth showed us how he handles calls. Its all on how the caller's mood is. If he is not excited enough for the free tickets then the DJ states to the caller that he is not the desired number caller. If he or she is very excited then they are the desired caller. Plus it is edited as the actual conversation is much longer than what you hear between songs. This way if the winner decides to say something like "You mean I fuckin won!" they can edit the swear out so both the station and caller do not get fined by the feds as foul language is still forbidden to use over the air.
The same with conservative talk as live talk is always delayed by a few seconds just in case someone like NE2 calls, lets say Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity and starts like he does here at times, they can edit out his profanity or any other person who wants to vent at that kind of medium and its on air talent as well.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 15, 2018, 03:55:44 PM
I do know that the 8th caller or 15th caller is BS. as I toured cox media studios in Orlando, The DJ in the booth showed us how he handles calls. Its all on how the caller's mood is. If he is not excited enough for the free tickets then the DJ states to the caller that he is not the desired number caller. If he or she is very excited then they are the desired caller. Plus it is edited as the actual conversation is much longer than what you hear between songs. This way if the winner decides to say something like "You mean I fuckin won!" they can edit the swear out so both the station and caller do not get fined by the feds as foul language is still forbidden to use over the air.
Then how is it that you can call, immediately get something like "You're number 12" before you have a chance to speak, and then they hang up? (where the number they're looking for is higher than 12)
Quote from: 1 on January 15, 2018, 03:57:44 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on January 15, 2018, 03:55:44 PM
I do know that the 8th caller or 15th caller is BS. as I toured cox media studios in Orlando, The DJ in the booth showed us how he handles calls. Its all on how the caller's mood is. If he is not excited enough for the free tickets then the DJ states to the caller that he is not the desired number caller. If he or she is very excited then they are the desired caller. Plus it is edited as the actual conversation is much longer than what you hear between songs. This way if the winner decides to say something like "You mean I fuckin won!" they can edit the swear out so both the station and caller do not get fined by the feds as foul language is still forbidden to use over the air.
Then how is it that you can call, immediately get something like "You're number 12" before you have a chance to speak, and then they hang up?
I do not know anything but what Cox says, as I was in the studio when two callers called in at Cox Media Orlando. The DJ accepted one and denied the other in front of me as one was lame sounding while the other sounded enthused. Perhaps it is after the selected winner won, and they don't want to keep airing the busy signal after the winner is picked as most lines are the same line for other station business like requests or DJ chat.
103.9 The Fox in Flint, Michigan does a pretty good job with requests.
Quote from: US71 on January 15, 2018, 12:58:05 PM
Quote from: texaskdog on January 15, 2018, 12:39:48 PM
Yes, in my wife's car it is always rap or people named Ed or Charlie
Cousin Brucie (aka Bruce Morrow) does a 4 hour show Wednesday and Saturday on Sirius XM. He usually opens the phone lines for one hour.
I think FirstWave on SiriusXM does take requests sometime. I have no interest in making such requests, so I do not know if this is true or not.
Quote from: Brandon on January 15, 2018, 01:42:19 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 15, 2018, 12:28:19 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 15, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
I have heard "jack FM" in several cities
Z981
Chicago just got rid of JACK-FM, and replaced it with yet another hip hop station.
After another stint as an oldies station. I always liked Nine FM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WCPQ) better than Jack FM when Nine FM was on (2005-2008).
Nothing can top the "real" NINE!!! https://youtu.be/hsHYp4k7fFw?t=4m9s
Quote from: jwolfer on January 15, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 11:26:28 AM
Stuff like this is why I like Buffalo's 92.9 (Jack FM), which explicitly states "no requests, no DJs". Yes, people do still call in (often drunk), and they will record and play those things at a later date. Those clips are WAY too ridiculous to be staged.
I have seen a few stations do true "request blocks". I was driving through Cleveland one night a few years ago and there was a big fire downtown. The classic rock station asked people to call in with "fire songs to support the firefighters" or something like that. And we got some really cool request songs that are never played, such as Harry Nilsson's "Jump Into the Fire", AC/DC's "This House Is On Fire", etc.
Jack FM is just one of the brands... Jacksonville had a jack FM. They were the rebellions "we play what we want" persona. I have heard "jack FM" in several cities
Z981
In Philly it's Ben-FM, most likely after Ben Franklin, and Atlanta had Dave-FM. The "we play what we want" persona is weird, given the fact that apparently they want to play sheer crap sometimes.
Quote from: abefroman329 on January 16, 2018, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 15, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 11:26:28 AM
Stuff like this is why I like Buffalo's 92.9 (Jack FM), which explicitly states "no requests, no DJs". Yes, people do still call in (often drunk), and they will record and play those things at a later date. Those clips are WAY too ridiculous to be staged.
I have seen a few stations do true "request blocks". I was driving through Cleveland one night a few years ago and there was a big fire downtown. The classic rock station asked people to call in with "fire songs to support the firefighters" or something like that. And we got some really cool request songs that are never played, such as Harry Nilsson's "Jump Into the Fire", AC/DC's "This House Is On Fire", etc.
Jack FM is just one of the brands... Jacksonville had a jack FM. They were the rebellions "we play what we want" persona. I have heard "jack FM" in several cities
Z981
In Philly it's Ben-FM, most likely after Ben Franklin, and Atlanta had Dave-FM. The "we play what we want" persona is weird, given the fact that apparently they want to play sheer crap sometimes.
TURN YOUR CRANK TO FRANK!
Quote from: abefroman329 on January 16, 2018, 11:32:19 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on January 15, 2018, 12:23:21 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 15, 2018, 11:26:28 AM
Stuff like this is why I like Buffalo's 92.9 (Jack FM), which explicitly states "no requests, no DJs". Yes, people do still call in (often drunk), and they will record and play those things at a later date. Those clips are WAY too ridiculous to be staged.
I have seen a few stations do true "request blocks". I was driving through Cleveland one night a few years ago and there was a big fire downtown. The classic rock station asked people to call in with "fire songs to support the firefighters" or something like that. And we got some really cool request songs that are never played, such as Harry Nilsson's "Jump Into the Fire", AC/DC's "This House Is On Fire", etc.
Jack FM is just one of the brands... Jacksonville had a jack FM. They were the rebellions "we play what we want" persona. I have heard "jack FM" in several cities
Z981
In Philly it's Ben-FM, most likely after Ben Franklin, and Atlanta had Dave-FM. The "we play what we want" persona is weird, given the fact that apparently they want to play sheer crap sometimes.
There were a few Dave FM stations. None of them still do the format.
Quote from: inkyatari on January 16, 2018, 12:37:36 PM
TURN YOUR CRANK TO FRANK!
There actually are a few Frank FM stations around. Similar format.
There's also Bob FM.
Ok, so what's happening here is not so much "Actors" as it is Radio management automation, also called "Voice tracking" or "Autopilot". Most times a radio station is operating it's being done by a single person using the station's automation software. This software not only makes sure that advertisements/commercials get played at the right time (and tracks when they get paid so the station can bill advertisers), but it also allows a single "personality" (which on anything besides major shows is usually also the producer/phone answerer) to record parts of the show minutes, hours, or even days before hand. This is why it sounds "too perfect" when a caller gets done at just the right spot for the song to come on, or why you only hear them answer the "perfect caller 102". You don't hear the bad ones because those are discarded and re-done before anything is presented to listeners.
What's actually happening is the host gave the phone number out during the last show or early on in the show (or not at all, and enough callers are on the lines from whatever was going on before), and the host (off the air, while other music or commercials is playing), will answer the phone and get the person's request/recommendation on tape. If the person is there, AND they request a song that's actually in the station's library AND they sound OK AND it doesn't run on too long, the host will trim up the clip and add it into the timeline. It's quite easy for them to take the callers live if they wanted, most stations have a dump button and run on a delay anyway, but its just not good for timing -- people's requests can usually be trimmed significantly and people winning a prize need to hear all sorts of stipulations they don't feel like reading on the air. Modern stations are on very strict schedules and you either need a team of people with a call screener and someone on the dump button (i.e. your typical morning show), or some guy is using automation and pre-recording callers seconds, minutes, or hours ahead of time.
It's very very unlikely that what you hear are "actors" however. Unless the station is being extra douchy and is caching clips of previous callers requesting the song they intend on playing / clips of people winning existing prizes (slightly more dubious than faking call-in song requests due to laws regarding contests). Most of the songs being "requested" are in the playlist to be played anyway, and in a contest any caller could be a "winner" if the real "caller 102" didn't work out. If someone calls in and requests a song the station either doesn't want to play or doesn't have, the host can simply say "we don't have that song, do you want to try again with a different song?" and cut that whole conversation out of the audio that goes on air. Callers are always told to turn down their radio so they typically don't draw the comparison that they're not hearing themselves on the radio right away -- they're too busy listening to the host (especially if they won something).
Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3cel9PlzrU
TL;DR just watch the video.
In my radio career, we used a software called "Audio Vault."
Again, if anyone is interested, as a pre- Christmas bonus episode of my video game podcast, my co-host and I did a show dedicated to discussing our radio careers...
http://fab4it.com/piefactory/audio/PFP_BonusEpisode2017.mp3