What roads have speed limits of 55 mph or higher, and yet still have traffic lights on them?
What is the highest posted speed limit in the US on a road with traffic lights?
A road segment must be signed for at least 50 mph and have at least three consecutive traffic lights to qualify. You have to start over if the speed limit drops, or it becomes a freeway.
NY 104 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2236872,-77.3758784,3a,75y,90.02h,75.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy5MtRtNuBw_iK6pLFe6pmQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), divided and signed 55 mph, has ten or so lights in the Town of Ontario.
NY 531 is also famous for 65 mph facing a signal (though it may drop to 55 briefly on the approach, and can't qualify anyway because only one light).
This is very common in states with 4-lane expressway/divided highway networks. There are plenty of examples in Ohio and West Virginia with lights on routes with 60-65mph speed limits. If you're going down to 55mph, there are lots of examples in Kentucky, Virginia, and Pennsylvania as well.
I'm skeptical that such roads have many stoplights on stretches signed 55 mph or more.
Common in Utah on expressways and divided highways. There are probably more examples than what I've posted here.
- The Mountain View Corridor (UT-85) is 65 north of Old Bingham highway, and it's 55 south of there. It'll be upgraded to a freeway in the future, but for now there is a pair of lights at each future exit.
- Bangerter Highway (UT-154) is 55 to 60, dropping to 50 between 201 and 3500 South. All the lights on it should have been interchanges.
- US 89 between I-15 and 84 in Davis County is 55.
- US 89/91 southwest of Logan has some lights, with speed limit 60.
- US 40 between Duchesne and Vernal has some traffic lights. I’m not sure what the speed limit is, but I bet it’s at least 50.
- Van Winkle (UT-152) in Salt Lake City is 50.
- UT-36 between I-80 and Tooele is 60.
- UT-201 west of 5600 West 55-60.
- UT-111 south of Magna is 60.
- UT-73 west of UT-145 is 55.
- US 6 in Spanish Fork is 50-60.
- UT-9 between I-15 and Hurricane is 60.
- UT-145 (Pioneer Crossing) in Lehi is 50.
- UT-68 (Redwood Rd) north of Salt Lake City is 50.
- UT-92 (Timpanogos Highway) is 50 to 55.
CA 41 south of Fresno all the way to CA 198 has a ton of them.
Quote from: webny99 on January 17, 2018, 08:55:15 PM
What roads have speed limits of 55 mph or higher, and yet still have stoplights on them?
What is the highest posted speed limit in the US on a road with stoplights?
A road segment must be signed for at least 50 mph and have at least three stoplights to qualify. You have to start over if the speed limit drops.
Why three? IMHO it should be counted on a sliding scale, as stoplights on a 55 mph road are extremely common, bit less so on a 60 mph road, much less so on a 65 mph road, and I am certainly not knowing of any on a road posted at 70.
Anyway:
Missouri* MO 30 from west of MO 141 to the end of the four lane section near Cedar Hill: 60 mph with numerous stoplights.
Nebraska* US 34 west of the I-80/I-180 interchange in Lincoln: 60 mph with three stoplights and one interchange
* US 77 on the west side of Lincoln: Now 60 mph with at three stoplights. Almost four, but the speed limit drops for the light at Satillo Road.
Quote from: Revive 755 on January 17, 2018, 09:48:15 PM
Why three? IMHO it should be counted on a sliding scale, as stoplights on a 55 mph road are extremely common, bit less so on a 60 mph road, much less so on a 65 mph road, and I am certainly not knowing of any on a road posted at 70.
I've updated my OP to say three
consecutive lights, and also no freeway segments in between. I'm not talking about a random stoplight here or there, I'm talking about multiple (at least three) and on a somewhat consistent basis, too, not huge gaps in between.
Regarding the bolded statement, I'm not at all convinced. We haven't had any street view links thus far, however, I am updating my OP to link to a segment of NY 104.
GA 316 has a ton of them.
US 12 fox lake to volo and volo to lake zurich the wauconda part is just under / overpass with at grade drive ways mixed in.
US 14 fox river grove to barrington
Northbound US 395 in Douglas County, NV doesn't qualify for the three consecutive signals right now, but it will in a few months. It is posted for 65 mph from Muller Lane (NV 757) at the north end of Minden to South Sunridge Drive, a distance of about 7.5 miles. There are continuous green T-intersections now at Johnson Lane and Stephanie Lane, and NDOT has a signed contract for another one at [Minden] Airport Road (NV 759) to be installed this spring. All three of these roads intersect US 395 from the east side, so there are no signals on the southbound side. It's a little under 2 miles from Airport Road to Johnson Lane, and 1 more mile to Stephanie Way.
Edit: Here is the southbound view at Stephanie (https://goo.gl/maps/pYBsQUgG19U2), which shows why this stretch is posted at 65.
US 119 south of Charleston, WV has 4 consecutive intersections with traffic signals in a 1-mile stretch. This is in a 55mph zone. https://goo.gl/maps/dQF5dW7ZAPM2
US 119 near Morgantown, WV has 4 consecutive intersections with traffic signals in 0.5-miles in a 50mph zone. https://goo.gl/maps/nb2YdSYBRrR2
US 2 in Montana: 65T60 for a few signals.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 17, 2018, 11:27:46 PM
US in Montana: 65T60 for a few signals.
Forgive me for not being able to interpret this statement :confused:
Quote from: webny99 on January 17, 2018, 11:35:17 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 17, 2018, 11:27:46 PM
US in Montana: 65T60 for a few signals.
Forgive me for not being able to interpret this statement :confused:
65 mph trucks 60.
Heck, even New Jersey's State Routes 72, 73 and US Routes 1 & 322, among others, qualifies for the 55 mph criteria.
In Delaware, US 13 & 40 meet the criteria.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 17, 2018, 11:40:54 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 17, 2018, 11:35:17 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 17, 2018, 11:27:46 PM
US in Montana: 65T60 for a few signals.
Forgive me for not being able to interpret this statement :confused:
65 mph trucks 60.
Got it. Did you also forget to include the route number, by chance?
M-53 near Romeo, MI has no less than 4 stoplight-controlled intersections on a road posted for 70 mph (with brief 55 mph segments before and after each stoplight). It's a stretch that, if someone replaced said intersections with overpasses, it would be interstate-compatible freeway.
US-20 between Freeport, IL and Rockford, IL has 2 stoplights on a road posted for 65 mph. It also was posted for 65 between Rockford and Belvidere (a stretch with at least 4 stoplights), until late 2016 when it was dropped to 55.
US 2 between Kalispell and Columbia Falls.
Also in our neck of the woods, webny99, there's NY 36 north of Hornell. The 55 mph zone starts between the Wegmans/Wal-Mart plaza and CR 70A, so you've got the lights at CR 70A, NY 21 North, and CR 66.
There are several stoplights along CA 138 -- nominally a 55 mph highway but with some 65 mph sections -- particularly in and around Pearblossom and southeast of Palmdale. The highway does have several 35 and 45 zones through Littlerock and Pearblossom, but these are brief, with a return to 55 at the outskirts of town. Several of the signals east of Pearblossom are relatively recent installations; most of those between Palmdale and Littlerock have been there for years. All of these are in Los Angeles County; there's another segment of CA 138 through Phelan (east of the CA 18 junction but west of the rise into the mountains), actually in San Bernardino County, that is also 55 mph (mostly 2-lane following the terrain -- meaning up & down through the creekbeds) but with several signals. Unfortunately, CA 138 has been repeatedly labeled as one of most dangerous roads in SoCal if not the entire state, as it carries much of the regional commercial traffic besides being one of the de facto L.A.-area bypass options. This despite a gradual upgrade of the corridor (at least in L.A. County) that resulted in a significant amount of 4-lane facility -- albeit undivided except for double-double yellow lines as a median -- and including the aforementioned stoplights. IMO, the proposed parallel route to the north (the tolled "E-220" corridor) can't happen soon enough.
OH-16 has three stoplights in a row east of Newark (Dayton Road, Marne Road, and Brownsville Road) and is at 55 or 60 the whole time.
The one I grew up riding on (and later driving on) is MN-65, which is 55 from Fridley to 109th Ave in Blaine, 60 from there to Bunker Lake Blvd, and then 65 from there all the way to Cambridge. Lots of signals on that highway.
In SE PA, I started going down the list in my head and realized that many 4-lane roads with stoplights actually have a speed limit of 45, not 55, so it's not as many as I would have thought. The only one I can think of in District 6 is PA 100 in Montgomery County, and maybe a stretch of PA 3 near the Delaware/Chester County border (though I am not that familiar with Bucks County - maybe PA 309?)
So, I started thinking about this last night. New Jersey actually has a very impressive list of US Routes with traffic lights in 55 mph sections! Of New Jersey's 10 Primary US Highways, 8 meet the criteria put out by the OP of at least 3 consecutive lights in 55 mph zones! Of the 2 that don't, one has a 55 mph section but with stop sign controlled intersections (US 30) and the other didn't have any 55 mph sections at all (US 46).
The 8 US routes in NJ that meet (and generally way-exceeded) the criteria:
US 1
US 9
US 22
US 40
US 130
US 202
US 206
US 322
Long Island has a bunch of these out in Suffolk County. There are even some county routes with 55 MPH speed limits, for example Nicolls Road (CR 97). There was also a time when sections of NY 25 and NY 25A in Nassau County had 55 MPH speed limits, but they lowered them to 50 MPH about 10 years ago.
Traffic lights (they're not "stoplights" if they're green!) are quite common on 55-mph roads in Virginia, including many two-lane roads, to the point where it's not worth listing any of them. There are a number of Virginia roads with 60-mph speed limits that have traffic lights as well, but nothing higher–they don't post 65- or 70-mph speed limits on anything with a traffic light.
Plenty of other states have 65-mph limits and traffic lights. I am blanking on whether there were any lights in the 70-mph zone on US-550 in New Mexico between Bernalillo and Farmington and it would take far too long to click through on Street View to find out. I can't say I recall any.
Signalized intersections exist on the following 55 mph roads I can think of:
US-30 from 143rd Street to Wolf's Crossing Road in Plainfield and Oswego, Illinois. Speed limit is typically 55, but never drops below 50.
IL-47 from Wrigley Way (Yorkville) to Cross Street (Sugar Grove). Speed limit is typically 55, but drops only to 50 for US-30 and Jericho Road.
IL-53 from Laraway Road (Joliet) to Wilmington-Peotone Road (Wilmington).
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 18, 2018, 08:43:41 AM
Traffic lights (they're not "stoplights" if they're green!) are quite common on 55-mph roads in Virginia, including many two-lane roads, to the point where it's not worth listing any of them.
For that reason, I have updated the OP :-D
Also keep in mind that there needs to be at least three consecutively, and the 55 mph must apply through the intersections. Whether that eliminates enough to make the rest worth listing in your case, I have no idea.
Quote from: webny99 on January 17, 2018, 08:55:15 PM
What is the highest posted speed limit in the US on a road with traffic lights?
80 mph
[1 (https://goo.gl/maps/JxChrc8AV4K2)][2 (https://goo.gl/maps/uhmWBCjqJJE2)] :bigass:
Quote from: webny99 on January 18, 2018, 10:33:00 AM
three consecutively
What do you mean by
consecutively? Do you mean there can't be a minor side street in between without a signal?
This doesn't strike me as all that uncommon. NY 332 also does it, as does US 11 south of Fort Drum. Also NY 365. And NY 37 near Ogdensburg, NY 23 between Cairo and Catskill, etc. Former examples include Washington Ave Extension, NY 787 (assuming the thing I read saying the speed limit used to be 55 is right), and NY 590. Possibly NY 17 in Horseheads as well, but I don't recall if the speed limit was reduced there or not.
Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2018, 01:05:33 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 18, 2018, 10:33:00 AM
three consecutively
What do you mean by consecutively? Do you mean there can't be a minor side street in between without a signal?
I'm just going with at least 3 traffic lights within the 55 mph zone, with no lower speed limit zones between any of those 3 lights.
Eagle Road/ID-55 in Meridian has a 55 mph limit and at least seven lights just between I-84 and US-20.
Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2018, 01:04:10 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 17, 2018, 08:55:15 PM
What is the highest posted speed limit in the US on a road with traffic lights?
80 mph [1 (https://goo.gl/maps/JxChrc8AV4K2)][2 (https://goo.gl/maps/uhmWBCjqJJE2)]
:bigass:
hahahahaha. Smart ass. :rofl:
Quote from: vdeane on January 18, 2018, 01:08:05 PM
Possibly NY 17 in Horseheads as well, but I don't recall if the speed limit was reduced there or not.
I'm 98% sure that it was 40 mph, and 2% that it was 45.
Quote from: webny99 on January 18, 2018, 10:33:00 AM
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 18, 2018, 08:43:41 AM
Traffic lights (they're not "stoplights" if they're green!) are quite common on 55-mph roads in Virginia, including many two-lane roads, to the point where it's not worth listing any of them.
For that reason, I have updated the OP :-D
Also keep in mind that there needs to be at least three consecutively, and the 55 mph must apply through the intersections. Whether that eliminates enough to make the rest worth listing in your case, I have no idea.
No, certainly not as to 55-mph roads.
Quote from: webny99Regarding the bolded statement, I'm not at all convinced. We haven't had any street view links thus far, however, I am updating my OP to link to a segment of NY 104.
You need to get out of the Northeast more. Sure, you have very few in New York state (or New England in general), but that doesn't mean other parts of the country don't have it fairly commonly. As others have noted, there are numerous roads that meet even your "revised" criteria in the Mid-Atlantic, South, and Midwest.
My contribution: MN 55 west of Minneapolis, which is 55 MPH from just west of MN 100 to just east of Hennepin CR 92 in Rockford, and has 24 signals along that stretch.
Even county routes fit the bill. There's a stretch of Scott CR 21 in suburban Minneapolis that is 55 MPH with 4 signals in a row.
It's not just US routes in NJ. State routes do this too. NJ 73 has a long 55 section from the Atlantic City Expressway to approaching NJ 70 with plenty of traffic lights (the rest of it is 50 MPH with even more frequent lights). I'm sure there are other four-lane state routes that are 55 MPH I just don't personally frequent. NJ 10 maybe?
I have a few I can think of off the top of my head.
Junction of US-65 and MO-86 & MO-265. (65 MPH)
US-64 between Conway and Vilonia has a few stoplights. (60 MPH)
Junction of AR-5 and AR-89 & AR-319 are all stoplights. (55 MPH)
Quote from: pdx-wanderer on January 18, 2018, 01:21:01 PM
Eagle Road/ID-55 in Meridian has a 55 mph limit and at least seven lights just between I-84 and US-20.
I was going to post that one as it's probably the biggest example around here. Small correction, between I-84 (or Overland Rd to be more exact) and Fairview Ave, the speed limit is 50. But from Fairview all the way to just south of ID-44 (around the Boise River bridge, a couple miles past US-20/26) it is 55 MPH so it totally qualifies. I count 9 traffic lights here (including Fairview), and no freeway or speed limit changes in between.
Though it doesn't quite qualify by the OP criteria, the highest speed limit road with a stop light in Idaho I can think of is ID-16 between US-20/26 and ID-44. Yes, it is a freeway between there, and it is only 2 lights not 3, but the speed limit does not drop approaching the lights so close enough to mention it.
Since pictures are fun, I'll throw some street view in.
ID-55. Notice that this is not some rural highway with the occasional stoplight, nor is it a grade separated expressway, it's a full blown suburban arterial:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FSChCv4e.png&hash=bb1ff29b05e4b966c577fb79bc4229e99036b1e0) (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6345431,-116.3542312,3a,75y,0.46h,84.28t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7yEY-VJJ4AH-YjHsB6-1Bw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Best I can get for ID-16 (GSV didn't actually drive on the road for some reason, even though it was open when they drove past in this picture):
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FMrNYesd.png&hash=1a79fb017149b0571dde1d20dd91e6cbff83a635) (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.6630518,-116.4721487,3a,23.3y,11.61h,86.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIFsNDllJOMVIG67HKa4Tag!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
One of the two primary principal highways through Wichita–US-54/400–has the following stoplights as you head west out of town:
111th Street
119th Street
135th Street
151st Street
167th Street
183rd Street
4½ miles, 60 mph speed limit the whole way.
In the PNW, the highest I've seen is US 2 between US 97 and Wenatchee: 5 signals. Speed Limit 60.
Another one would be NV-160 in southern Las Vegas.
55 mph speed limit through 5.5 miles and eight or nine lights, depending on the direction:
Durango Dr
Cimmarron Rd
Buffalo Dr
Rainbow Blvd
Jones Blvd
Decatur Blvd
Arville St
Valley View Blvd
Going east towards I-15, Dean Martin Drive is a ninth, as the speed is not reduced to 45 until after the intersection, while going west there doesn't appear to be a 55 mph sign posted until just before Valley View.
The closest example I can think of here in Oregon is two lights on a 55 mph section of Kuebler Blvd outside of Salem, at intersections of Turner Rd and Lancaster Dr.
Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2018, 01:04:10 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 17, 2018, 08:55:15 PM
What is the highest posted speed limit in the US on a road with traffic lights?
80 mph [1 (https://goo.gl/maps/JxChrc8AV4K2)][2 (https://goo.gl/maps/uhmWBCjqJJE2)]
:bigass:
Same
route number but not the same
road. Decent try, though.
Quote from: kphoger on January 18, 2018, 01:05:33 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 18, 2018, 10:33:00 AM
three consecutively
What do you mean by consecutively? Do you mean there can't be a minor side street in between without a signal?
I mean two things 1] no freeway segments in between and 2] no lower speed limits in between, or through, the intersections.
I considered adding a distance criteria, such as no more than 1 mile between each signal, but decided that might get too complicated.
Quote from: vdeane on January 18, 2018, 01:08:05 PM
This doesn't strike me as all that uncommon. NY 332 also does it...
Don't know how I forgot that one :pan: There is definitely at least three lights, though I think (?) the speed limit drops for some of the busier ones, including NY 96.
Texas, FM roads. Get just outside the big cities and the mph tops around 75
Quote from: webny99 on January 18, 2018, 03:59:26 PM
Don't know how I forgot that one :pan: There is definitely at least three lights, though I think (?) the speed limit drops for some of the busier ones, including NY 96.
When I was last on it (Labor Day 2017), it was 55 from the Thruway to CR 8 (including near NY 96, though the median does disappear there), 40 to the Canandaigua city line, and 30 south of there.
^ I'll pay extra close attention next time I'm on it (usually 5-6 times a year in summer and fall). I'm sure you're right, I just had in my mind that it was 45 around NY 96 for some reason or other. :pan:
Quote from: froggie on January 18, 2018, 02:42:42 PM
Quote from: webny99Regarding the bolded statement, I'm not at all convinced. We haven't had any street view links thus far, however, I am updating my OP to link to a segment of NY 104.
You need to get out of the Northeast more. Sure, you have very few in New York state (or New England in general), but that doesn't mean other parts of the country don't have it fairly commonly. As others have noted, there are numerous roads that meet even your "revised" criteria in the Mid-Atlantic, South, and Midwest.
My contribution: MN 55 west of Minneapolis, which is 55 MPH from just west of MN 100 to just east of Hennepin CR 92 in Rockford, and has 24 signals along that stretch.
Even county routes fit the bill. There's a stretch of Scott CR 21 in suburban Minneapolis that is 55 MPH with 4 signals in a row.
I'll add in US 10/169 through Ramsey and Anoka, 60 MPH and four signals (for now until the DOT finally converts more of them into interchanges).
A small part of Peace Road around Sycamore, IL qualifies with signals at IL 64, a Jewell-Osco entrance and IL 23 in a continuous 55 mph stretch.
Quote from: vdeane on January 18, 2018, 01:08:05 PMand NY 590.
NY 590 no longer has traffic lights...and was truncated to end at Titus Ave roundabout.
Before that construction, I do believe it had a 55 MPH limit though.
Quote from: froggie on January 18, 2018, 02:42:42 PM
Quote from: webny99Regarding the bolded statement, I'm not at all convinced.
You need to get out of the Northeast more. Sure, you have very few in New York state (or New England in general), but that doesn't mean other parts of the country don't have it fairly commonly. As others have noted, there are numerous roads that meet even your "revised" criteria in the Mid-Atlantic, South, and Midwest.
I've been around plenty :pan:
Of course, I know many examples exist. I was just playing devils advocate there to prompt maximum response. There's a method to my madness here, and so far, I'm finding what I'm looking for, which is all good.
Quote from: jemacedo9 on January 18, 2018, 10:21:03 PM
Quote from: vdeane on January 18, 2018, 01:08:05 PMand NY 590.
NY 590 no longer has traffic lights...and was truncated to end at Titus Ave roundabout.
Before that construction, I do believe it had a 55 MPH limit though.
Indeed, NY 590 was in the part of her list prefaced by "Former examples include..." :D
US 72 in Mississippi has a traffic light in Glen. Speed limit is 55, I believe in the area but goes back up to 65 shortly thereafter.
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.8785509,-88.440952,3a,75y,303.25h,95.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sDY9mAg3W0xFrdasEo1e_Bg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Another one on 72 is in the little town of Walnut (used to be "stop ahead").
Parker Rd (CO 83) southeast of Denver (through parts of Aurora, Centennial, unincorporated Arapahoe & Douglas Counties, into Parker). Heading south (out of town), just past the light at Quincy Ave, the speed limit increases from 45 to 55. There are lights at:
Belleview Ave
Chambers Rd
Orchard Ave
Fair Ave/Lewiston Way
Then there's an interchange with Arapahoe Rd (CO 88 West).
Then lights at:
Chambers Way
Broncos Pkwy/Jamison Ave
Long Ave
The speed limit then decreases back to 45 just before the light at Cottonwood Dr in Parker.
The lights at Belleview and Chambers do have 45mph yellow caution signs mounted with the "Signal Ahead" signs that everyone ignores. The remainder, probably due to newer development farther south (much of it with RIRO access with turn lanes) has apparently done away with the 45 mph pretense.
Edit:
CO 83 south of 20 Mile Rd/Hilltop Dr in Parker and unincorporated Douglas County is another stretch.
From north to south:
Indian Pipe Ln/S Pine Dr (Town of Parker)
Hess Rd (Parker)
J Morgan Blvd (Parker)
Stroh Rd (Parker)
N Pinery Pkwy (The Pinery/unincorporated DougCo)
Old School House Rd/S Pinery Pkwy (The Pinery)
Bayou Gulch Rd (end of 4-lane divided highway)
Castle Oaks Dr (Town of Castle Rock)
Then the speed limit decreases (to 45, then 35) to the intersection with CO 86 in Franktown.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 18, 2018, 09:38:28 PM
I'll add in US 10/169 through Ramsey and Anoka, 60 MPH and four signals (for now until the DOT finally converts more of them into interchanges).
Just four?? Man, I could swear the number topped 6,000. They must have been building grade separation over the last several years, huh?
I'll add Arapahoe Rd (CO 88) in the Denver suburb of Centennial. 55 mph from just east of Havana St to just east of Jordan Rd (about a mile east of I-25 to about a mile west of Parker Rd/CO 83).
Lights (eastbound) at:
Lima St
Peoria St
Revere Pkwy
Potomac St
Jordan Rd
WA-20 between Anacortes and Burlington has high-speed traffic lights. They're not really that uncommon.
Quote from: webny99 on January 19, 2018, 12:34:21 AM
Indeed, NY 590 was in the part of her list prefaced by "Former examples include..." :D
Yikes...I missed that...oops...!
I can't think of any examples in Southwestern Ontario. Roads with traffic lights are always 80 km/h (50 mph) or less. But that doesn't people don't drive faster than 80 through the traffic lights :colorful:
Walnut Grove Rd in Memphis is 55 mph between Humphreys Blvd and Germantown Pkwy (two SPUI's) and has a traffic light at Farm Rd. Walnut Grove regularly backs up because of the light and only having four lanes.
Quote from: 7/8 on January 19, 2018, 09:02:42 PM
I can't think of any examples in Southwestern Ontario. Roads with traffic lights are always 80 km/h (50 mph) or less. But that doesn't people don't drive faster than 80 through the traffic lights :colorful:
ON 57 between the Welland Tunnel and the QEW comes to mind. I'm not sure what the speed limit is, though.
Quote from: webny99 on January 20, 2018, 12:55:34 AM
Quote from: 7/8 on January 19, 2018, 09:02:42 PM
I can't think of any examples in Southwestern Ontario. Roads with traffic lights are always 80 km/h (50 mph) or less. But that doesn't people don't drive faster than 80 through the traffic lights :colorful:
ON 57 between the Welland Tunnel and the QEW comes to mind. I'm not sure what the speed limit is, though.
I'm guessing you're referring to Thorold Stone Rd (Niagara RR 57). I found these two speed limits signs and both are 80 km/h (the second one is technically on Highway 58):
https://goo.gl/maps/fDPHyW63Lo52 (https://goo.gl/maps/fDPHyW63Lo52)
https://goo.gl/maps/TGJVsmsz6yS2 (https://goo.gl/maps/TGJVsmsz6yS2)
A good example in Ontario would be the Thunder Bay Expressway. There are about a dozen traffic signals on the road that otherwise has a 90km/h speed limit.
The one place where I can recall seeing multiple traffic lights in a 65 mph zone was on the US 23/441 concurrency near Demorest, Georgia
Near me there's a 55 mph section of OH 4 that has 9 traffic lights in an 11 mile span (from US 20 near Bellevue to Strub Rd near Sandusky)
in WI? None. State regulations require 45 MPH zones max in traffic light areas.
Quote from: 7/8 on January 20, 2018, 10:11:37 AM
Quote from: webny99 on January 20, 2018, 12:55:34 AM
Quote from: 7/8 on January 19, 2018, 09:02:42 PM
I can't think of any examples in Southwestern Ontario. Roads with traffic lights are always 80 km/h (50 mph) or less. But that doesn't people don't drive faster than 80 through the traffic lights :colorful:
ON 57 between the Welland Tunnel and the QEW comes to mind. I'm not sure what the speed limit is, though.
I'm guessing you're referring to Thorold Stone Rd (Niagara RR 57). I found these two speed limits signs and both are 80 km/h (the second one is technically on Highway 58):
https://goo.gl/maps/fDPHyW63Lo52 (https://goo.gl/maps/fDPHyW63Lo52)
https://goo.gl/maps/TGJVsmsz6yS2 (https://goo.gl/maps/TGJVsmsz6yS2)
Whoops. I wrongly assumed it to be a provincial route, but that is indeed the road I was referring to. It does seem that Ontario will not go higher than 80 km/h on roads with signals, which is understandable in some ways, but still annoying :pan: I suppose also, 90 km/h would be your closest equivalent to 55mph, and 90 km/h zones do not seem to be very common.
ETA:
Quote from: AsphaltPlanet on January 20, 2018, 10:14:05 AM
A good example in Ontario would be the Thunder Bay Expressway. There are about a dozen traffic signals on the road that otherwise has a 90km/h speed limit.
When you say "otherwise" am I correct in assuming that the limit drops through the signals?
There are PLENTY of these across Texas. A stretch I remember is US 380 between Denton and McKinney. Long sections of 65 mph and can get very congested with 6 lanes of traffic and built up subdivisions.
I'm sure there many areas that would have 70 and 75 mph and stoplights. It's not uncommon for 2 lane highways to be posted at those speeds in Texas.
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Quote from: bzakharin on January 18, 2018, 02:43:00 PM
It's not just US routes in NJ. State routes do this too. NJ 73 has a long 55 section from the Atlantic City Expressway to approaching NJ 70 with plenty of traffic lights (the rest of it is 50 MPH with even more frequent lights). I'm sure there are other four-lane state routes that are 55 MPH I just don't personally frequent. NJ 10 maybe?
NJ 34 from 33 south to the junction with 35/70. (At least the last time I was there in 1999)
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Many if not most of the 4 lane divided US/SR highways in rural Florida have 60 or 65 MPH speed limits, however the approach to them have speed limit reduced to 45 or 50, so this may disqualify Florida for the OP criteria
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Until MO 364 came and tied into it, MO 94 was an excellent example. 55 MPH up until Zumbehl Road each intersection had lights.
MA 9 and US 6 (MA) both have 55mph Jersey freeway sections with stoplights. I think US 20 does too, closer to Boston.
Also can't forget the temporary stoplights on I-690 in Syracuse, NY for the NY State Fair.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 20, 2018, 08:54:55 PM
I think US 20 does too, closer to Boston.
US 20 isn't a Jersey freeway anywhere near Boston.
Michigan has a lot of 55 mph roads with stoplights. M-45 in Ottawa County comes to mind (the entire stretch is 55 and there are lights at US-31, M-231, 120th Ave, 68th Ave, 48th Ave, GVSU, 8th Ave, and 1st Ave; just past 1st Ave, M-45 enters Kent County and the speed limit drops to 45)
Not a stoplight, but M-37 and M-55 meet at a four way stop in southwestern Wexford County where both roads have a 65 mph speed limit.
If terminating roads count, M-55's western end has a stoplight and M-55 is 65 up to that point. M-231 would also qualify as both ends are at stoplights.
Also in Michigan, M-5 (Haggerty Connector) is posted at 55 mph and has signals at 13 Mile, 14 Mile and Maple (15 Mile) roads. The signals actually are pretty well timed for the posted speed limit, but it's always amusing watching motorists exceed the speed limit and jockey around each other to be the first to get to the next red light.
https://goo.gl/maps/eoC2K3zcpN72
Alabama is known for this. There is a traffic light on AL-21 north of Anniston in a 65 mph zone. And US 431 has plenty. There are two traffic lights and a caution light intersection in Alexandria all within a 1 1/2 mile stretch filled with stores, restaurants, and other businesses and it's 65 mph. A state lawmaker is asking ALDOT to study a reduction in the speed limit to 55 mph.
Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 20, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
Texas ... I'm sure there many areas that would have 70 and 75 mph and stoplights.
I haven't run across any.
The closest I've seen to that are overhead flashing yellow lights, such as
these on a 75-mph highway (https://goo.gl/maps/2gwjb4PDESA2).
Within the traffic engineering profession, there is aversion to mixing stoplights with high speed limits. When T-WORKS (the current transportation spending program in Kansas) was being developed, KDOT pitched a grade separation at K-254 and Rock Road, which is a stop-controlled at-grade intersection that has become busier as Bel Aire and northeast Wichita continue to expand. This was for the explicit purpose of avoiding a reduction in speed limit from 70 to allow a traffic signal to be installed.
Upthread, Kphoger has already mentioned the stoplights at mile intersections along Kellogg between Wichita and Goddard (Kellogg speed limit currently 60). This is planned for eventual expansion to full freeway and frontage roads have already been built in many locations, so these signals are regarded as interim provision. There was a time when the intersections were still stop-controlled (favoring Kellogg) and I think the speed limit was 70.
Texas has a number of isolated grade separations at state highway intersections well outside cities where part of the motivation is clearly to prevent heavier traffic flows from being forced to come to a complete stop from 75. Examples that come to mind include US 60/US 83/SH 33 south of Canadian, US 82/US 83 south of Guthrie, etc.
Hell, even in NY, there area a ton of 55 roads with semi-frequent lights. NY 32 Delmar Bypass is 5 in under 3 miles. Until 2016, Washington Avenue Extension in Albany met this, with 4 in 1.7 miles. US 9's 55 section between Malta and Saratoga has a ton of lights. US 9W north of the Mid-Hudson Bridge has enough lights to meet this.
NY 787 was mentioned upthread. I am 85% certain that had a 55 mph limit when I was a kid.
And yes, there are a boatload in other states. I know Ohio has lights on 60 mph roads, possibly higher. Delaware, Maryland, and New Jersey have a ton of divided 55 mph highways with semi-frequent lights (US 13 and US 50 are huge ones here).
Corridor H in WV is 65 mph with a few signal lights here and there.
I think a better question is what's the highest posted speed limit on a road that also has at least one signal? i.e. 70+ mph
Quote from: kphoger on January 22, 2018, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 20, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
Texas ... I'm sure there many areas that would have 70 and 75 mph and stoplights.
I haven't run across any.
The closest I've seen to that are overhead flashing yellow lights, such as these on a 75-mph highway (https://goo.gl/maps/2gwjb4PDESA2).
SH 71 between Austin and Bastrop has a stretch of 70 MPH limit with quite a few lights. I managed to find a Street View with both a traffic light and a speed limit sign. (https://www.google.com/maps/@30.1752485,-97.5269558,3a,24y,164.99h,90.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0Raa4e__Hy7YdLsL0_JXkQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
I suspect that the locations of other lights on 70+ MPH roads skews a lot further east than people might thing. The miles and miles of nothing out west are also miles and miles of nobody, so there isn't enough traffic density to justify it.
Ohio MIGHT have a stretch of 70 with at least 1 light. I've personally seen lights at 60 and at-grades at 70.
Quote from: cl94 on January 24, 2018, 08:20:55 PM
Ohio MIGHT have a stretch of 70 with at least 1 light. I've personally seen lights at 60 and at-grades at 70.
Unsignalized at-grades are considerably more common, especially in the Midwest it seems. Do you have any idea whereabouts in Ohio a 70 mph stoplight might potentially be?
In theory, US 30 between Indiana and US 23. Don't think there are any, but most of it is 70, at-grades and all.
This rest area (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5638018,-80.7132093,3a,61.8y,339.59h,85.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szWMoKzCq5ryBiIKPex4KIA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on SR 11 is a fun one. Only at-grade on an otherwise Interstate-grade freeway. Speed limit remains 70 through there.
There are stretches of the Saw Mill Parkway in New York that drop suddenly from limited access (like most modern NY parkways) to traffic-light intersections. I used to cross one of these between my home and my high school growing up in Chappaqua NY. There are also a few in Yonkers between limited-access stretches.
Quote from: kphoger on January 19, 2018, 02:07:03 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 18, 2018, 09:38:28 PM
I'll add in US 10/169 through Ramsey and Anoka, 60 MPH and four signals (for now until the DOT finally converts more of them into interchanges).
Just four?? Man, I could swear the number topped 6,000. They must have been building grade separation over the last several years, huh?
They built an interchange at Armstrong Blvd. a couple years ago, and I think the last thing I saw was they were about to greenlight some kind of grade separation at Fairoak Avenue which would leave the three stoplights in the middle at Thurston Ave, Sunfish Lake Blvd, and Ramsey Blvd.
Quote from: cl94 on January 24, 2018, 09:36:52 PM
In theory, US 30 between Indiana and US 23. Don't think there are any, but most of it is 70, at-grades and all.
This rest area (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.5638018,-80.7132093,3a,61.8y,339.59h,85.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szWMoKzCq5ryBiIKPex4KIA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on SR 11 is a fun one. Only at-grade on an otherwise Interstate-grade freeway. Speed limit remains 70 through there.
Just upgrade that and you have I-whatever :sombrero:
Florida has mostly 55 on signalized roads with higher than 65 speeds. That is why US 27 dropped down from 65 to 45 in Lake County. Thanks to the rapid sprawl several lights have been added and changed the nice flowing rural 4 lane highway into a six lane arterial with stoplights every half a mile. At least in Polk County they have it reduced down to 60 mph, but that is District One and they were one of the first in the state to go 65 mph when Clinton signed the bill allowing states to set their own maximum speed limits. District Five controls Lake County and that district requires any 65 mph highway to be at 55 just for the light.
Heck in Districts 2,3, 4 and 6 they still do not allow 60 mph on rural two lane roads, as Florida has different politics in each district. D6 though has an excuse as its all Miami-Dade and Monroe counties which are all populated. However, US 41 from FL 997 to Collier County could become 60 as that is rural Everglades and has no heavy traffic, but last time I was there it was 55 mph.
Out west many states there have high speed limits with signals. I think Texas has some 70 roads with lights, but I am not sure if those that allow 75 now do have them or not.
Oregon: Name a 55 mph rural road. Closest to home: 99W in Tualatin. If one of the 65T60 roads has a signal, feel free to correct me.
Quote from: pdx-wanderer on January 18, 2018, 03:54:30 PM
Another one would be NV-160 in southern Las Vegas.
55 mph speed limit through 5.5 miles and eight or nine lights, depending on the direction:
This made me think of others in the Las Vegas area...
SR 146 - St. Rose Pkwy: 55mph (4 lanes each way, urban arterial) from I-15 to Eastern Ave, 4.9 miles.
Signals at: I-15 (SPUI), Las Vegas Blvd, Bowes Ave, Bermuda Rd, Executive Airport Dr, Maryland Pkwy, Spencer St/Seven Hills Dr, Jeffreys St, Eastern Ave.
There are many other intersections and commercial driveways intermixed in this stretch.
CC 215 (north leg): 55mph (2 lanes each way, divided highway) between N. 5th St and Range Road, ~4.5 miles
Signals at future interchanges: Losee Rd, Pecos Rd, Lamb Blvd, Range Rd.
No other accesses.
Quote from: roadman65 on January 25, 2018, 10:24:22 PM
Florida has mostly 55 on signalized roads with higher than 65 speeds. That is why US 27 dropped down from 65 to 45 in Lake County. Thanks to the rapid sprawl several lights have been added and changed the nice flowing rural 4 lane highway into a six lane arterial with stoplights every half a mile. At least in Polk County they have it reduced down to 60 mph, but that is District One and they were one of the first in the state to go 65 mph when Clinton signed the bill allowing states to set their own maximum speed limits. District Five controls Lake County and that district requires any 65 mph highway to be at 55 just for the light.
Heck in Districts 2,3, 4 and 6 they still do not allow 60 mph on rural two lane roads, as Florida has different politics in each district. D6 though has an excuse as its all Miami-Dade and Monroe counties which are all populated. However, US 41 from FL 997 to Collier County could become 60 as that is rural Everglades and has no heavy traffic, but last time I was there it was 55 mph.
Out west many states there have high speed limits with signals. I think Texas has some 70 roads with lights, but I am not sure if those that allow 75 now do have them or not.
District 2 has 60 mph 2 lane roads.. SR228/Normandy Blvd in Duval County west of Cecil Commerce Center.. parts of SR 16 in St Johns and Clay Counties to give a couple examples
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Quote from: SSOWorld on January 20, 2018, 11:21:14 AM
in WI? None. State regulations require 45 MPH zones max in traffic light areas.
WI 76 at the US 10 interchange would beg to differ - 2 sets within 0.2 mi (each side of the interchange) and Sammy Hagar's least favorite speed limit.
None in all of Sweden, regulations allow a maximum speed of 70 km/h (45 mph) for traffic light intersections.
Quote from: SSOWorld on January 20, 2018, 11:21:14 AM
in WI? None. State regulations require 45 MPH zones max in traffic light areas.
They missed that memo in Monona - US-51 has at least two stoplights in a 55 mph zone - at Pflaum Rd and Buckeye Rd.
On a related note, how does your driving speed change on a 55 mph road with stoplights vs. one without? In my case, I tend to max out at maybe 65 instead of 70, but will speed up if it looks like there's no lights for at least a mile or so.
AFAIK, the highest posted limit on a road in Washington State with a signal is 60 on SR-522 near Paradise Lake: https://goo.gl/pD4uw7
My experience in BC is limited to the Lower Mainland, but the SFPR/Hwy 17 intersection at Tilbury can be a bit hairy (dual carriageway, four lanes). Pro/per left turn against traffic that, while technically in an 80 zone, is often travelling at 110-130 (outside of peak times): https://goo.gl/eyB8fC. I personally have no problem with this, but the other signals along this route are all protected, so it's rather unique.
As it relates to the brief discussion above on high-speed roads with no grade separation, US-395 in Washington, between Ritzville and Pasco, is a 70-mph four lane dual carriageway with occasional grade separation. WSDOT has not installed any median U-turn intersections, so the at-grade intersections remain traditional free-left movements. At least most of the intersections have acceleration/deceleration lanes!
Here's a speed limit sign just north of a full four-way intersection: https://goo.gl/5MUbbi
Here's an overhead shot of the four-way intersection preceding the above Street View photo: https://goo.gl/CBXZz7
I'm not sure if WSDOT ever plans to upgrade the 395 to full freeway.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 26, 2018, 01:56:44 AM
Oregon: Name a 55 mph rural road. Closest to home: 99W in Tualatin. If one of the 65T60 roads has a signal, feel free to correct me.
If you're looking for another Oregon example, if you head farther south, OR-99 between Eugene and Junction City is 55mph with plenty of signals. It's also 5 lanes the entire way (4 through lanes plus center turn lane).
I'm really surprised no one here has mentioned Irvine, California here yet . . . that city has tons of massive high-speed arterials with signals, including quite a few 60mph roads. Irvine Blvd (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.6954887,-117.7339707,3a,75y,164.8h,78.01t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sSKNCOuXz9UmRUVxoE9mVxg!2e0!5s20171001T000000!7i13312!8i6656) is a prime example--60mph from Alton Pkwy up to CA-133, with a total of 9 signals (including the two ramps with CA-133). AFAIK, at one point, that stretch was even a 65mph zone, though I don't think it had quite as many signals then.
Alton Pkwy also has a 60mph zone between Irvine Blvd and Commercentre Dr, though only two signals in that stretch--a good portion of the rest of that road is 55mph with signals, however. 45mph is actually on the low side for arterials in Irvine, with most being in the 50-55mph range.
The city runs the Irvine Traffic Research and Control Center (ITRAC), and apparently has some pretty amazing signal control software that's allowed them to pull this off.
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I'm not sure I've ever seen an arterial posted at 60 before. 45 and 50, sure. Maybe even 55. But not 60. I'm not even sure Texas does that.
Quote from: jakeroot on March 01, 2018, 10:06:41 PM
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I'm not sure I've ever seen an arterial posted at 60 before. 45 and 50, sure. Maybe even 55. But not 60. I'm not even sure Texas does that.
60mph arterial and it has a bike lane? I've definitely never seen that either (50 with a bike lane I have seen: McCarran Blvd in Reno).
Quote from: roadfro on March 03, 2018, 01:46:50 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on March 01, 2018, 10:06:41 PM
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I'm not sure I've ever seen an arterial posted at 60 before. 45 and 50, sure. Maybe even 55. But not 60. I'm not even sure Texas does that.
60mph arterial and it has a bike lane? I've definitely never seen that either (50 with a bike lane I have seen: McCarran Blvd in Reno).
A tell-tale sign that a committee was involved in the design process, but not the speed limit selection.
IIRC, speed limits in California aren't necessarily enforceable if the limit is posted below the design speed. Could be that Irvine Blvd was designed for 60 mph, and they decided just to post the design speed as the limit until they know otherwise.
The 60mph zone on Irvine Blvd was actually the result of an engineering review, based on the 85th percentile speeds. 65mph is the default, apparently, and while I don't actually see any signs on the stretch indicating that fact on Street View, apparently, there still is a bit of a 65mph zone on part of it, per this 2017 ordinance file from the city (https://library.municode.com/ca/irvine/ordinances/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=849533), which appears to be the most up-to-date set I can find. The actual 85th-percentile speeds look to be 58 both WB and EB at the part north of Pusan, and the part south (that's apparently still a 65) had 64mph EB/66mph WB. The 60 zone on Alton was the result of an 85th-percentile speed of 64mph.
Jeffrey Road between Irvine Blvd and Portola Pkwy also appears to count as well as a 60mph zone with at least three signals. Barranca Pkwy almost counts between Alton and Ada--only two signals (though the most recent Street View shows a 50mph construction zone on that stretch).
Quote from: cl94 on January 24, 2018, 09:36:52 PM
In theory, US 30 between Indiana and US 23. Don't think there are any, but most of it is 70, at-grades and all.
Nope. The first traffic light on US 30 in Ohio is east of I-71.
And if there were lights there, Ohio would not post it at 70 since they only post 70 on freeways.
Quote from: kphoger on January 22, 2018, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 20, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
Texas ... I'm sure there many areas that would have 70 and 75 mph and stoplights.
I haven't run across any.
Yeah, neither have I. While Texas is not shy about posting two lane roads at 70 or 75, they are also not shy about dropping the speed limit lower when safety concerns warrant it.
Also, these two-lane roads posted at 70-75 are all in rural areas, and Texas tends not to install traffic signals in rural areas. Any rural intersection that warrants more than a stop sign usually becomes an interchange.
Quote from: Duke87 on March 05, 2018, 12:24:23 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 24, 2018, 09:36:52 PM
In theory, US 30 between Indiana and US 23. Don't think there are any, but most of it is 70, at-grades and all.
Nope. The first traffic light on US 30 in Ohio is east of I-71.
And if there were lights there, Ohio would not post it at 70 since they only post 70 on freeways.
I drove US-30 between US-23 and I-71 this past weekend and most of it is 70 despite the at-grades with minor roads. The first light EB on 30 looks to be at OH 57 south of Orrville (and east of Wooster). That one and a light in Dalton look like the only lights on 30 west of I-77
Ohio's only requirement for 70 is "divided highway". Several non-Interstates posted at 70 have at least one at-grade, including US 30. Definitely not a freeway.
Quote from: cl94 on January 24, 2018, 08:20:55 PM
Ohio MIGHT have a stretch of 70 with at least 1 light. I've personally seen lights at 60 and at-grades at 70.
I can't think of any lights on anything higher than 60. And the one's I do know of that are 60 are spread out enough that didn't list them in my first post because they didn't meet the OP's qualifications for being multiple lights fairly close together. The closest two I can think of are the ones at either end of US 23's test section north of Delaware, which are almost 4 miles apart. There are 4 on US 20, but they're all spread out (at OH 4, OH 19, OH 590 and US 23)
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Quote from: kphoger on January 22, 2018, 01:50:18 PM
Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 20, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
Texas ... I’m sure there many areas that would have 70 and 75 mph and stoplights.
I haven't run across any.
Yeah, neither have I. While Texas is not shy about posting two lane roads at 70 or 75, they are also not shy about dropping the speed limit lower when safety concerns warrant it.
Also, these two-lane roads posted at 70-75 are all in rural areas, and Texas tends not to install traffic signals in rural areas. Any rural intersection that warrants more than a stop sign usually becomes an interchange.
Here's a signal at US 84 and TX 388 in Shallowater, TX. (https://goo.gl/maps/AMRGtiEsuXv) It appears the speed limit on US 84 is 75 mph, at least in the westbound direction.
Yowza.
Well I suppose it's not totally surprising that there is (at least) one. This is not commonplace, though.
While technically in a 90 km/h (55 mph) zone, the speed limit quickly picks up to 120 km/h (75 mph) on either side of this intersection:
https://www.google.com/maps/@49.3711535,-124.6162351,3a,43.8y,306.15h,89.72t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2t9Ks62LUnAaK7YhEDnhOw!2e0!5s20150401T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Quote from: bcroadguy on June 16, 2018, 08:56:02 PM
While technically in a 90 km/h (55 mph) zone, the speed limit quickly picks up to 120 km/h (75 mph) on either side of this intersection:
https://www.google.com/maps/@49.3711535,-124.6162351,3a,43.8y,306.15h,89.72t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s2t9Ks62LUnAaK7YhEDnhOw!2e0!5s20150401T000000!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
I completely forgot that the Island had 120 zones. The only one I've seen is along the Coq.
US 64 bypass in Faulkner County, AR. Speed limit is 60 by the traffic light; 65 elsewhere.
US 231 in southeast Alabama, especially between Montgomery and Dothan. Alabama needs to grade separate or put in some full blown interchanges in some of those intersections! Some of the intersections have rumble strips reminding you that a traffic signal is ahead!
Quote from: J N Winkler on January 22, 2018, 02:10:55 PM
Upthread, Kphoger has already mentioned the stoplights at mile intersections along Kellogg between Wichita and Goddard (Kellogg speed limit currently 60). This is planned for eventual expansion to full freeway and frontage roads have already been built in many locations, so these signals are regarded as interim provision. There was a time when the intersections were still stop-controlled (favoring Kellogg) and I think the speed limit was 70.
I noticed on my most recent trip that K-42 southwest of Wichita is also 60 mph with stoplights.
Ohio 82 in Trumbull County, east of Warren, is a four-lane divided highway with a signalized at-grade intersection at Howland-Wilson Road, between OH-46 and OH-11, with left-turn movements allowed from all directions. Pretty sure the posted speed limit there is either 50 or 55, although it could possibly be 60 or even 65.
The intersection continues to be the scene of many accidents; and is under consideration for a makeover in conjunction with a proposal to convert the OH-46 and OH-82 grade-separated intersection to a Diverging Diamond Interchange (DDI).
The current study recommendations are to cul-de-sac both the northern and southern portions of Howland-Wilson Road, and allow only right-turn movements from OH-82 onto Howland-Wilson.
https://goo.gl/maps/N2ErbSWqTJ7WsMR59
This one is temporary, but there's the traffic light on I-690 during the NY State Fair. The regular speed limit is 65, but is reduced to 55 during the fair session.
Quote from: kphoger on May 23, 2019, 02:46:44 PMI noticed on my most recent trip that K-42 southwest of Wichita is also 60 mph with stoplights.
Yes. The most recent of these is the one at MacArthur Road, which involved relocating part of it so that it crosses K-42 at right angles. There are stubs of old alignment that still serve traffic since they are accesses to a gas station (west side) and a lumberyard (east side). I remember when it still had stop control. I won't be surprised if a signal is installed at 135th St. W. (the turnoff for Clearwater) in the next few years.
Rapid City area: Pretty much all of the US 16 truck bypass, with a 55-65 mph speed limit and 8 stoplights, including the ones at the US 16 and I-90 intersections. Highway 1416 in neighboring Box Elder has no stoplights, but it does have stop signs at three intersections westbound (and none eastbound).
Quote from: X99 on May 23, 2019, 11:04:15 PM
Rapid City area: Pretty much all of the US 16 truck bypass, with a 55-65 mph speed limit and 8 stoplights, including the ones at the US 16 and I-90 intersections.
Yes! That is one road I found rather frustrating. Between the stoplights and the hilly terrain, its like they're tantalizing you with a nice high speed limit which turns out to be impossible to attain, much less
maintain.
In general (IMO) any road with a speed limit higher than 55 with traffic signals needs to have advance warning signs overhead that flash to prepare to stop.
Also, signals should be avoided on rural highways with 4 lanes or more and a speed limit of 60 mph or greater anyway (particularly on expressways); those should immediately become interchanges when warranted.
Quote from: RoadMaster09 on May 24, 2019, 03:15:35 PM
Also, signals should be avoided on rural highways with 4 lanes or more and a speed limit of 60 mph or greater anyway (particularly on expressways); those should immediately become interchanges.
Well that's just the thing with the US 16 Truck Bypass in Rapid City. It's become so developed that adding interchanges would be impossible. The limit is too high, but lowering the limit would eliminate the only remaining reason to call it a bypass.
Quote from: webny99 on May 24, 2019, 03:18:16 PM
Quote from: RoadMaster09 on May 24, 2019, 03:15:35 PM
Also, signals should be avoided on rural highways with 4 lanes or more and a speed limit of 60 mph or greater anyway (particularly on expressways); those should immediately become interchanges.
Well that's just the thing with the US 16 Truck Bypass in Rapid City. It's become so developed that adding interchanges would be impossible. The limit is too high, but lowering the limit would eliminate the only remaining reason to call it a bypass.
If the signals are that frequent, then it should be lowered to, say, 45 or 50. From the looks of it, I'd say 50 would be the best speed limit.
Quote from: RoadMaster09 on May 24, 2019, 03:15:35 PM
In general (IMO) any road with a speed limit higher than 55 with traffic signals needs to have advance warning signs overhead that flash to prepare to stop.
I think that's overkill for a road with stoplights every mile (such as west of Wichita).
I believe I found a PA example, which surprised me, because PennDOT almost always drops the speed limit within a buffer zone of a traffic light, usually something like 55-40-55
US 30 east of Chambersburg has a light at PA 233. Looking at GSV I don't see any speed limit changes on 30, it seems to be 55 on either side. That is the only traffic light on US 30 between PA 997 and the outskirts of Gettysburg IIRC.
Quote from: sbeaver44 on May 24, 2019, 09:48:31 PM
I believe I found a PA example, which surprised me, because PennDOT almost always drops the speed limit within a buffer zone of a traffic light, usually something like 55-40-55
Hmm. I've never noticed that before.
I stand to be corrected, but I think US 220 at PA 287 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2190371,-77.22151,3a,75y,56.74h,92.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjwvsQ3zvg3M_gc3sGOBVXw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is also 55 mph (still a reduction from 65 mph on the adjacent freeway segment(s)).
Quote from: jakeroot on March 03, 2018, 04:44:07 PM
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Quote from: jakeroot on March 01, 2018, 10:06:41 PM
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I'm not sure I've ever seen an arterial posted at 60 before. 45 and 50, sure. Maybe even 55. But not 60. I'm not even sure Texas does that.
60mph arterial and it has a bike lane? I've definitely never seen that either (50 with a bike lane I have seen: McCarran Blvd in Reno).
A tell-tale sign that a committee was involved in the design process, but not the speed limit selection.
IIRC, speed limits in California aren't necessarily enforceable if the limit is posted below the design speed. Could be that Irvine Blvd was designed for 60 mph, and they decided just to post the design speed as the limit until they know otherwise.
Quote from: Tarkus on March 04, 2018, 04:49:59 AM
The 60mph zone on Irvine Blvd was actually the result of an engineering review, based on the 85th percentile speeds. 65mph is the default, apparently, and while I don't actually see any signs on the stretch indicating that fact on Street View, apparently, there still is a bit of a 65mph zone on part of it, per this 2017 ordinance file from the city (https://library.municode.com/ca/irvine/ordinances/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=849533), which appears to be the most up-to-date set I can find. The actual 85th-percentile speeds look to be 58 both WB and EB at the part north of Pusan, and the part south (that's apparently still a 65) had 64mph EB/66mph WB. The 60 zone on Alton was the result of an 85th-percentile speed of 64mph.
Sorry to quote this ancient post.
I did a bit of digging. Irvine Blvd was posted at 65(!!) as recently as 2013, according to that survey you linked to, however, I can only find Street View evidence as recently as 2011 (https://goo.gl/maps/71acpAVjeyyqK7vq7). Judging by this Street View image from 2015 (https://goo.gl/maps/oASTxPsiHndbR6dQ8), the limit was reduced prior to Irvine being upgraded with a median. Note that the "65" has been bagged.
This has to have been the highest posted arterial, ever.
Quote from: RoadMaster09 on May 24, 2019, 03:15:35 PM
In general (IMO) any road with a speed limit higher than 55 with traffic signals needs to have advance warning signs overhead that flash to prepare to stop.
Also, signals should be avoided on rural highways with 4 lanes or more and a speed limit of 60 mph or greater anyway (particularly on expressways); those should immediately become interchanges when warranted.
In BC, flashing prepare to stop signs are required at traffic lights anywhere the limit is 70 km/h (45 mph) or higher. It's nice to have, but pretty unnecessary a lot of the time imo. I'm completely speculating here, but I get the feeling that a lot of roads that could easily have 70+ speed limits are limited to 60 km/h partially because they don't want to pay extra for warning lights.
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I'm not sure I've ever seen an arterial posted at 60 before. 45 and 50, sure. Maybe even 55. But not 60. I'm not even sure Texas does that.
60mph arterial and it has a bike lane? I've definitely never seen that either (50 with a bike lane I have seen: McCarran Blvd in Reno).
A tell-tale sign that a committee was involved in the design process, but not the speed limit selection.
IIRC, speed limits in California aren't necessarily enforceable if the limit is posted below the design speed. Could be that Irvine Blvd was designed for 60 mph, and they decided just to post the design speed as the limit until they know otherwise.
Quote from: Tarkus on March 04, 2018, 04:49:59 AM
The 60mph zone on Irvine Blvd was actually the result of an engineering review, based on the 85th percentile speeds. 65mph is the default, apparently, and while I don't actually see any signs on the stretch indicating that fact on Street View, apparently, there still is a bit of a 65mph zone on part of it, per this 2017 ordinance file from the city (https://library.municode.com/ca/irvine/ordinances/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=849533), which appears to be the most up-to-date set I can find. The actual 85th-percentile speeds look to be 58 both WB and EB at the part north of Pusan, and the part south (that's apparently still a 65) had 64mph EB/66mph WB. The 60 zone on Alton was the result of an 85th-percentile speed of 64mph.
Sorry to quote this ancient post.
I did a bit of digging. Irvine Blvd was posted at 65(!!) as recently as 2013, according to that survey you linked to, however, I can only find Street View evidence as recently as 2011 (https://goo.gl/maps/71acpAVjeyyqK7vq7). Judging by this Street View image from 2015 (https://goo.gl/maps/oASTxPsiHndbR6dQ8), the limit was reduced prior to Irvine being upgraded with a median. Note that the "65" has been bagged.
This has to have been the highest posted arterial, ever.
A few miles away, Antonio Pkwy south of Rancho Santa Margarita to the Las Flores community was also posted at 65 a few years ago, now 55. This one's a odd one, too, in that there is a 25mph school zone just north of Las Flores.
Maine, much like the rest of the New England, will typically lower the speed limit when approaching a signalized intersection and raise it again once beyond. On more major highways, they'll usually reduce it to 45-40 mph (50 is sometimes seen, but rare) on approach, or even as low as 35-25 mph if going through a town. The only exception to this rule that I'm aware of, is along ME 196 (Brunswick-Topsham By-Pass) at the intersection of Village Drive/Community Way (https://goo.gl/maps/jLp8zjRy4uvHF4bL6) in Topsham, where the speed through it remains at 55 mph. Both directions even include a bike lane to boot!
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Quote from: sbeaver44 on May 24, 2019, 09:48:31 PM
I believe I found a PA example, which surprised me, because PennDOT almost always drops the speed limit within a buffer zone of a traffic light, usually something like 55-40-55
Hmm. I've never noticed that before.
I stand to be corrected, but I think US 220 at PA 287 (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2190371,-77.22151,3a,75y,56.74h,92.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjwvsQ3zvg3M_gc3sGOBVXw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) is also 55 mph (still a reduction from 65 mph on the adjacent freeway segment(s)).
I discovered another PA example of a 55-mph zone traffic signal this afternoon, at the intersection of US 222 and Penn Grant Road (https://goo.gl/maps/3muQuo5LPVwTW5La8) near Lancaster. I don't believe that examples of these are
too uncommon around the Commonwealth, especially on more rural, divided 4-lane highways.
^ The one signal on US 209 between PA 33 and I-80 is in a 55 zone.
Regarding the earlier point, Virginia will often (but not always) lower the speed limit on a 4-lane highway through a signal. That said, there are a number of examples of keeping it at 55 along US 13 on the Eastern Shore.
Quote from: froggie on May 27, 2019, 09:42:19 AM
^ The one signal on US 209 between PA 33 and I-80 is in a 55 zone.
Regarding the earlier point, Virginia will often (but not always) lower the speed limit on a 4-lane highway through a signal. That said, there are a number of examples of keeping it at 55 along US 13 on the Eastern Shore.
You have not been to Texas yet. They will post roads the same on two lanes as for freeways thus resulting in even higher than 55 mph speed zones through at grade signalized intersection.
55 being high is nothing unusual except for the Northeast and particularly CT and VT where only freeways (I-89 and 91 to be specific) have a speed limit higher than 50. In fact the jury is out on the former as I do not think non freeways in CT go above 45. US 7 from MA to Norwalk only had 55 on the freeway parts and most of it was 40 even in rural NW CT.
In Florida I have seen as high as 60 through signals as generally 65 is kept in non signalized rural stretches, though in the 90's Cypress Gardens Blvd. in Winter Haven was 65 with heavy sprawl on both sides and signals at some driveways specifically State Farm Insurance Headquarters. Now FDOT lowered it to 45 and not even 55 is allowed. US 27 is another one that went from 65 to 45 when the road widened and several new lights all went up in the late 2000's as part of Lake and Polk with their development boom.
Quote from: roadman65You have not been to Texas yet.
Actually yes I have. A number of times. Whether I'd been to Texas or not is not relevant to my comment or who I was replying to.
You are also very incorrect in saying that "only freeways have a speed limit higher than 50" in Vermont. A number of non-freeway roadways in Vermont have a 55 limit. One of them (US 7 south of Rutland) even has two traffic signals in the 55 zone.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 27, 2019, 10:06:01 AM
In fact the jury is out on the former as I do not think non freeways in CT go above 45.
I recall seeing a post somewhere about one surface road in CT with a 55 mph limit, including a Street View link, but I can't remember which one it was or if it was four lanes divided or just two lanes undivided.
Quote from: froggie on May 27, 2019, 09:42:19 AM
^ The one signal on US 209 between PA 33 and I-80 is in a 55 zone.
Regarding the earlier point, Virginia will often (but not always) lower the speed limit on a 4-lane highway through a signal. That said, there are a number of examples of keeping it at 55 along US 13 on the Eastern Shore.
I can think of some places on US-29 where it remains 60 mph through signals. Two examples that come to mind (not meant to be an exhaustive list!) are the intersection with VA-28 and just south of there at Route 651 at the light where that small parking lot is. But then, much further south on Route 29, you have the example at the light at Tightsqueeze where it drops from 60 to 45 through the light and the immediate surrounding area; same thing also happens further north at the light at Lovingston outside McDonald's.
I suspect part of it (not the only consideration, but surely a relevant one) may have to do with whether there are businesses or residences or other such things resulting in more access points around the traffic light. The first two examples I just gave don't have much other access to either side of the light, whereas Tightsqueeze and Lovingston have a fair number of businesses, Tightsqueeze has at least one church with access from Route 29, etc.
Quote from: froggie on May 27, 2019, 10:34:15 AM
Quote from: roadman65You have not been to Texas yet.
Actually yes I have. A number of times. Whether I'd been to Texas or not is not relevant to my comment or who I was replying to.
It wasn't relevant to anything in this thread at all. So totally random that it was amusing.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 27, 2019, 05:19:49 PM
I suspect part of it (not the only consideration, but surely a relevant one) may have to do with whether there are businesses or residences or other such things resulting in more access points around the traffic light. The first two examples I just gave don't have much other access to either side of the light
I would say undivided highways are the ones that warrant a reduced limit. If all cross traffic
must pass through a stoplight, I don't see an issue with 55 or even 60. But when you start getting people turning left out of (and into) businesses and unsignalized side streets, a lower limit is in order.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 27, 2019, 10:06:01 AM
You have not been to Texas yet. They will post roads the same on two lanes as for freeways thus resulting in even higher than 55 mph speed zones through at grade signalized intersection.
Which ones are those?
We've already discussed Texas on this thread and had a hard time coming up with any instances of stoplights along a stretch signed above 55 mph.
Here's street view of a 60mph stretch, the south end of Antonio Pkwy near San Juan Capistrano, CA.
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5209208,-117.6198596,3a,75y,349.03h,106.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4y5MVOkZpR0ZcbSNN_nH8Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192 (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.5209208,-117.6198596,3a,75y,349.03h,106.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4y5MVOkZpR0ZcbSNN_nH8Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
When the CA76 expressway in Oceanside first opened, it was posted for 65, but that only lasted a few months.
Quote from: jakeroot on May 26, 2019, 01:41:56 AM
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I'm not sure I've ever seen an arterial posted at 60 before. 45 and 50, sure. Maybe even 55. But not 60. I'm not even sure Texas does that.
60mph arterial and it has a bike lane? I've definitely never seen that either (50 with a bike lane I have seen: McCarran Blvd in Reno).
A tell-tale sign that a committee was involved in the design process, but not the speed limit selection.
IIRC, speed limits in California aren't necessarily enforceable if the limit is posted below the design speed. Could be that Irvine Blvd was designed for 60 mph, and they decided just to post the design speed as the limit until they know otherwise.
Quote from: Tarkus on March 04, 2018, 04:49:59 AM
The 60mph zone on Irvine Blvd was actually the result of an engineering review, based on the 85th percentile speeds. 65mph is the default, apparently, and while I don't actually see any signs on the stretch indicating that fact on Street View, apparently, there still is a bit of a 65mph zone on part of it, per this 2017 ordinance file from the city (https://library.municode.com/ca/irvine/ordinances/code_of_ordinances?nodeId=849533), which appears to be the most up-to-date set I can find. The actual 85th-percentile speeds look to be 58 both WB and EB at the part north of Pusan, and the part south (that's apparently still a 65) had 64mph EB/66mph WB. The 60 zone on Alton was the result of an 85th-percentile speed of 64mph.
Sorry to quote this ancient post.
I did a bit of digging. Irvine Blvd was posted at 65(!!) as recently as 2013, according to that survey you linked to, however, I can only find Street View evidence as recently as 2011 (https://goo.gl/maps/71acpAVjeyyqK7vq7). Judging by this Street View image from 2015 (https://goo.gl/maps/oASTxPsiHndbR6dQ8), the limit was reduced prior to Irvine being upgraded with a median. Note that the "65" has been bagged.
This has to have been the highest posted arterial, ever.
Interesting, that seems overkill for an arterial like that. I'd have probably posted it at 55, although a case for 50 could be made.
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Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 20, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
Texas ... I'm sure there many areas that would have 70 and 75 mph and stoplights.
I haven't run across any.
Yeah, neither have I. While Texas is not shy about posting two lane roads at 70 or 75, they are also not shy about dropping the speed limit lower when safety concerns warrant it.
Also, these two-lane roads posted at 70-75 are all in rural areas, and Texas tends not to install traffic signals in rural areas. Any rural intersection that warrants more than a stop sign usually becomes an interchange.
Here's a signal at US 84 and TX 388 in Shallowater, TX. (https://goo.gl/maps/AMRGtiEsuXv) It appears the speed limit on US 84 is 75 mph, at least in the westbound direction.
Cross-posting from another thread:
Quote from: bwana39 on May 04, 2020, 10:15:28 PM
there are indeed some rural intersections with traffic signals on roads posted at 75 MPH. Lots of warning in advance too.
https://goo.gl/maps/1HYWnoVdeJDfutag8
Quote from: kphoger on May 05, 2020, 12:03:03 PM
Cross-posting from another thread:
Quote from: bwana39 on May 04, 2020, 10:15:28 PM
there are indeed some rural intersections with traffic signals on roads posted at 75 MPH. Lots of warning in advance too.
https://goo.gl/maps/1HYWnoVdeJDfutag8
The signs leaving the intersection from both directions have "70" posted. Still, that's impressive for a five-lane road with a two-way left turn lane and permissive lefts. I assume most states would tap out at 60 or 65 for similar roads.
The non-freeway portion of US 31 between Kokomo and Peru has a few stoplights (for a while yet) and is 60mph. This is the highest possible in Indiana as only freeways are 65 or 70 mph.
Quote from: froggie on May 27, 2019, 09:42:19 AM
Regarding the earlier point, Virginia will often (but not always) lower the speed limit on a 4-lane highway through a signal. That said, there are a number of examples of keeping it at 55 along US 13 on the Eastern Shore.
My experience living in Hampton Roads was the opposite - VDOT and even local cities very rarely dropped the limit below 55 through a signal.
Just off the top of my head (and confirming my memory via streetview), VA 134, US 17 (Gloucester, York, IOW), Hampton Roads Center Pkwy, LaSalle Ave, VA 171, VA 199, US 258 (Smithfield), Dam Neck Rd, Oceana Blvd, US 13 (Northampton Blvd) are all posted at 55 through signals.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on May 06, 2020, 10:43:24 AM
Quote from: froggie on May 27, 2019, 09:42:19 AM
Regarding the earlier point, Virginia will often (but not always) lower the speed limit on a 4-lane highway through a signal. That said, there are a number of examples of keeping it at 55 along US 13 on the Eastern Shore.
My experience living in Hampton Roads was the opposite - VDOT and even local cities very rarely dropped the limit below 55 through a signal.
Just off the top of my head (and confirming my memory via streetview), VA 134, US 17 (Gloucester, York, IOW), Hampton Roads Center Pkwy, LaSalle Ave, VA 171, VA 199, US 258 (Smithfield), Dam Neck Rd, Oceana Blvd, US 13 (Northampton Blvd) are all posted at 55 through signals.
VA-168 remains at 55 mph through two traffic signals in southern Chesapeake near the NC State Line.
US-17, however, drops to 45 mph through two traffic signals south of VA-165.
IMO, if one route should drop to 45 mph, it should be VA-168 since it's a narrower alignment with a decent amount of curvature. US-17 has a wide right of way, wide median, and is a straight line to the point you can easily a mile ahead without obstruction. Reasonably though, both should remain 55 mph.
Before 2012, this segment of Business VA-168 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6566618,-76.2232897,533m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e1) used to be posted at 55 mph through this developed area, though was lowered to 50 mph and then to 45 mph around 2016 in a failed effort by the city to try to attract more traffic to the toll road by lowering the speed limit on most of Business VA-168 instead of increasing the speed limit to 65 mph on VA-168 as originally proposed.
London Bridge Rd in Virginia Beach also has 55 mph posted through at least one signal.
IIRC, there's a few examples in the state where 60 mph is maintained through at least one signal, not sure about multiple in a short period.
There's a suburban industrial connector between Pleasanton and Livermore, CA called Stanley Boulevard which has a 55mph speed limit and has traffic lights for quarry access (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6729722,-121.8337839,3a,75y,98.74h,86.25t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTktIb5qa3R8qPv8PZw6h-w!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) and for access to a regional park (https://www.google.com/maps/@37.6716904,-121.8453322,3a,90y,72.03h,90.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sdPCr8MvTKPp4663StfEd6w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DdPCr8MvTKPp4663StfEd6w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D84.02122%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192).
Quote from: bassoon1986 on January 20, 2018, 06:24:00 PM
There are PLENTY of these across Texas. A stretch I remember is US 380 between Denton and McKinney. Long sections of 65 mph and can get very congested with 6 lanes of traffic and built up subdivisions.
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Add insult to injury: some of those traffic lights (maybe it's Prosper?) had camera-enforced lights. About the only damn thing that governor ever did that had any sense was killing the camera-enforced lights.
Also: US 280 south of 459 is traffic light hell and has a speed limit of 55.
A few examples in Arizona:
Southeast of Prescott Valley, AZ 69 has a speed limit of 55 (then 65) and traffic lights.
US 60 (Grand Ave) has 50 and 55 areas NW of Thunderbird Rd. Also going through Gold Canyon, the limit is 55.
Has someone already mentioned I-790s old temporary lights for the New York State Fair? That's at 55.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on May 26, 2020, 12:40:40 AM
Has someone already mentioned I-790s old temporary lights for the New York State Fair? That's at 55.
I wasn't aware the Fair moved to Utica, so no. Back when the Fair was in Syracuse, I-690 had a light that went up during the Fair. The normal speed limit there is 65, but it was lowered to 55 during the Fair at least once.
Now they're building a flyover, so we won't be seeing it again.
55 through a light in New York isn't notable. I can't think of a single place in the state that will lower the speed limit for a light unless there's a settlement around the light. Definitely several dozen cases, if not hundreds, in the state.
Quote from: cl94 on May 26, 2020, 01:21:43 PM
55 through a light in New York isn't notable. I can't think of a single place in the state that will lower the speed limit for a light unless there's a settlement around the light. Definitely several dozen cases, if not hundreds, in the state.
The OP seemed to think otherwise when he started this thread.
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 26, 2020, 01:34:44 PM
Quote from: cl94 on May 26, 2020, 01:21:43 PM
55 through a light in New York isn't notable. I can't think of a single place in the state that will lower the speed limit for a light unless there's a settlement around the light. Definitely several dozen cases, if not hundreds, in the state.
The OP seemed to think otherwise when he started this thread.
Let's see how many of these I can come up with, because I'm curious now...
Albany County (10):
- US 9 at NY 9R and Fonda Rd (2)
- NY 32 at Kenwood Ave, Bender Ln, NY 335, Murray Ave, Elm Ave (5)
- US 9W at NY 396
- US 20 at NY 158 and NY 397 (2)
Saratoga County (21):
- US 9 at Crescent Rd, Kinns Rd, Ushers Rd, George Ave, NY 9P, Malta Ave, Old Post Rd, Saratoga Spa SP South Entrance, Ballard Rd (9)
- NY 29 at Fish House Rd, NY 147, and Rowland St (3)
- NY 50 at Charlton Rd, Saratoga Spa SP x2, Ballard Rd (4)
- NY 67 at NY 147 and Middleline Rd (2)
- Ballard Road at Traver Rd and I-87 x2 (3)
That's just 2 counties and it's quite likely that I missed a few in each. Without even thinking about it, I know Erie County has at least a dozen lights on 55 roads, likely closer to or above 2 dozen.
Quote from: cl94 on May 26, 2020, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 26, 2020, 01:34:44 PM
Quote from: cl94 on May 26, 2020, 01:21:43 PM
55 through a light in New York isn't notable. I can't think of a single place in the state that will lower the speed limit for a light unless there's a settlement around the light. Definitely several dozen cases, if not hundreds, in the state.
The OP seemed to think otherwise when he started this thread.
Let's see how many of these I can come up with, because I'm curious now...
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Do you know, roughly, how many of those use permissive left turns? Random question, I know, but some places do have rules about
not having them above certain speed limits.
On my last visit upstate, I seem to recall few intersections using protected only turns.
Quote from: jakeroot on May 26, 2020, 02:56:21 PM
Do you know, roughly, how many of those use permissive left turns? Random question, I know, but some places do have rules about not having them above certain speed limits.
On my last visit upstate, I seem to recall few intersections using protected only turns.
The NY 32 examples are protected-only. Most of the others have permissive-only or protected-permissive on at least one 55 approach. Several examples are on 2-lane roads, where you will generally not find protected-only signals in this state. We're not like New Hampshire, where all left turns must be protected.
Quote from: jakeroot on May 26, 2020, 02:56:21 PM
Quote from: cl94 on May 26, 2020, 02:31:17 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 26, 2020, 01:34:44 PM
Quote from: cl94 on May 26, 2020, 01:21:43 PM
55 through a light in New York isn't notable. I can't think of a single place in the state that will lower the speed limit for a light unless there's a settlement around the light. Definitely several dozen cases, if not hundreds, in the state.
The OP seemed to think otherwise when he started this thread.
Let's see how many of these I can come up with, because I'm curious now...
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Do you know, roughly, how many of those use permissive left turns? Random question, I know, but some places do have rules about not having them above certain speed limits.
On my last visit upstate, I seem to recall few intersections using protected only turns.
"Permissive light or Protected light in a 55 zone? How about neither, and we're not even going to give you a left turn lane." - NJDOT.
NJ 72 at CR 539: https://goo.gl/maps/peVJcjDT1WpS2YWy8
NJ 70 at CR 2: https://goo.gl/maps/eFUmnHufUFuwCkD2A
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 26, 2020, 05:03:54 PM
"Permissive light or Protected light in a 55 zone? How about neither, and we're not even going to give you a left turn lane." - NJDOT.
NJ 72 at CR 539: https://goo.gl/maps/peVJcjDT1WpS2YWy8
NJ 70 at CR 2: https://goo.gl/maps/eFUmnHufUFuwCkD2A
That's the rural normal in NY. Not even worth giving examples because there are so many. You're lucky to get a turn lane.
Quote from: cl94 on May 26, 2020, 04:25:55 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on May 26, 2020, 02:56:21 PM
Do you know, roughly, how many of those use permissive left turns? Random question, I know, but some places do have rules about not having them above certain speed limits.
On my last visit upstate, I seem to recall few intersections using protected only turns.
The NY 32 examples are protected-only. Most of the others have permissive-only or protected-permissive on at least one 55 approach. Several examples are on 2-lane roads, where you will generally not find protected-only signals in this state. We're not like New Hampshire, where all left turns must be protected.
That's cool. I don't understand New Hampshire's thinking with their left turns. Glad New York is a bit more sensible.
Quote from: cl94 on May 26, 2020, 06:18:10 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 26, 2020, 05:03:54 PM
"Permissive light or Protected light in a 55 zone? How about neither, and we're not even going to give you a left turn lane." - NJDOT.
NJ 72 at CR 539: https://goo.gl/maps/peVJcjDT1WpS2YWy8
NJ 70 at CR 2: https://goo.gl/maps/eFUmnHufUFuwCkD2A
That's the rural normal in NY. Not even worth giving examples because there are so many. You're lucky to get a turn lane.
So there's a ton of signals along 55mph+ roads without any turn lanes? That seems so odd to me. West coast practice is definitely for dedicated left turn lanes at all rural signals.
ROW is the concern on the east coast. NY puts in turn lanes where they can and volumes warrant, but it's not worth the cost of eminent domain in many cases. Take NY 23A at NY 32 in Greene County (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1925086,-73.9856658,200m/data=!3m1!1e3). All approaches are 55 MPH, but ROW barely extends beyond the shoulders. NY 33 at Crittenden Road in Erie County (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9460318,-78.4852344,197m/data=!3m1!1e3) is another example. In this case, buildings are close to the road in 3 quadrants.
Quote from: cl94 on May 26, 2020, 06:45:38 PM
ROW is the concern on the east coast. NY puts in turn lanes where they can and volumes warrant, but it's not worth the cost of eminent domain in many cases. Take NY 23A at NY 32 in Greene County (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1925086,-73.9856658,200m/data=!3m1!1e3). All approaches are 55 MPH, but ROW barely extends beyond the shoulders. NY 33 at Crittenden Road in Erie County (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9460318,-78.4852344,197m/data=!3m1!1e3) is another example. In this case, buildings are close to the road in 3 quadrants.
You could put them in for both of the examples you posted. They may shorter than usual turn lanes, but better than nothing. Narrowing the shoulder at the intersection can also add a few feet of pavement.
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Quote from: cl94 on May 26, 2020, 01:21:43 PM
55 through a light in New York isn't notable. I can't think of a single place in the state that will lower the speed limit for a light unless there's a settlement around the light. Definitely several dozen cases, if not hundreds, in the state.
The OP seemed to think otherwise when he started this thread.
Let's see how many of these I can come up with, because I'm curious now...
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It would not surprise me at all if NY state has over 100 lights in 55 mph zones.
Here's 5 off the bat from Monroe County: NY 31/NY 260; NY 104/Basket Rd; NY 250/NY 286; NY 250/Plank Rd; NY 441/Linden Ave.
NY 104 in Wayne County alone has another 15, that may be the most on a single road segment.
NY 332 in Ontario County has at least another 5.
Quote from: jakeroot on May 26, 2020, 06:34:17 PM
So there's a ton of signals along 55mph+ roads without any turn lanes? That seems so odd to me. West coast practice is definitely for dedicated left turn lanes at all rural signals.
Speaking just for western NY (west of I-81), which may not be representative of the entire state, "a ton" is an exaggeration. Most have turn lanes, although probably only about half have a protected phase. With regards to signal phases, NY 104 is a good case study because it has so many.
-The first light at Basket Road is protected/permissive. That's the only light in Monroe County. I think the only reason permissive turns are allowed is because if they weren't, traffic would back up beyond the turn lane and into the freeway during the morning and afternoon rush, which would be unsafe.
-The next 6 lights, in Wayne County, are all protected only, which is somewhat uncommon, but makes sense for this stretch.
-The next 2 are protected/permissive, followed by 2 more protected only, bringing us to the end of the 4-lane segment.
-The next 6 are all permissive-only, with turn lanes, but no arrows.
-That's it until NY 3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.3229411,-76.567646,3a,75y,357.73h,83.11t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1saW4ZcTJ2tpYnCnoW7ccWXQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DaW4ZcTJ2tpYnCnoW7ccWXQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D102.632835%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1), another example of 55 mph and no turning lanes.
So, I guess to give a somewhat circular answer your original question, NY is nothing if not inconsistent in this regard, and they certainly don't believe in a one size fits all approach :D
NY 590 over what is now Sea Breeze Drive was also an interesting case. It was lowered to 50 in the years before conversion but was 55 before that. Titus was protected-only, Seneca and Point Pleasant were permissive-only (no turn lanes), and Durand was an interesting case (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2271076,-77.5446102,3a,76.1y,42.1h,83.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSioToOcyAmYO5Vb8G0IYiQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664).
Fairly sure that the speed limit on Corridor H (US 48 and assorted other roads) remains 65 even through the traffic light in Buckhannon and the two near Elkins.
Quote from: vdeane on May 27, 2020, 01:20:50 PM
NY 590 over what is now Sea Breeze Drive was also an interesting case. It was lowered to 50 in the years before conversion but was 55 before that. Tibbits was protected-only, Seneca and Point Pleasant were permissive-only (no turn lanes), and Durand was an interesting case (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2271076,-77.5446102,3a,76.1y,42.1h,83.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSioToOcyAmYO5Vb8G0IYiQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664).
Interesting, I was too young to really remember much about that road before they put the roundabouts in.
(And LOL at what your auto-correct did to "Titus". :-D)
Quote from: webny99 on May 27, 2020, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 27, 2020, 01:20:50 PM
NY 590 over what is now Sea Breeze Drive was also an interesting case. It was lowered to 50 in the years before conversion but was 55 before that. Tibbits was protected-only, Seneca and Point Pleasant were permissive-only (no turn lanes), and Durand was an interesting case (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2271076,-77.5446102,3a,76.1y,42.1h,83.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSioToOcyAmYO5Vb8G0IYiQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664).
Interesting, I was too young to really remember much about that road before they put the roundabouts in.
(And LOL at what your auto-correct did to "Titus". :-D)
Might not have been autocorrect. NY 787 is similar to that stretch of NY 590 in some respects, and its first intersection actually is Tibbits. Easy for my brain to confuse the two.
Quote from: vdeane on May 27, 2020, 08:46:21 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 27, 2020, 06:35:13 PM
Quote from: vdeane on May 27, 2020, 01:20:50 PM
NY 590 over what is now Sea Breeze Drive was also an interesting case. It was lowered to 50 in the years before conversion but was 55 before that. Tibbits was protected-only, Seneca and Point Pleasant were permissive-only (no turn lanes), and Durand was an interesting case (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2271076,-77.5446102,3a,76.1y,42.1h,83.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSioToOcyAmYO5Vb8G0IYiQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664).
Interesting, I was too young to really remember much about that road before they put the roundabouts in.
(And LOL at what your auto-correct did to "Titus".)
Might not have been autocorrect. NY 787 is similar to that stretch of NY 590 in some respects, and its first intersection actually is Tibbits. Easy for my brain to confuse the two.
Sure enough, that makes sense. I never would have known, not being aware of any road called Tibbits, much less on a road so comparable to NY 590.
It sounded just like something auto-correct might have randomly done.
A little late to this thread, but MT 85 south of Belgrade is a reasonably urban four/five-lane road with a 70mph limit (65mph trucks), and signals about every mile or so. And more than a little traffic (AADT 15,900).
Quote from: Kniwt on June 23, 2020, 10:28:55 PM
A little late to this thread, but MT 85 south of Belgrade is a reasonably urban four/five-lane road with a 70mph limit (65mph trucks), and signals about every mile or so. And more than a little traffic (AADT 15,900).
With flashing yellow arrows to boot. Nice.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 24, 2020, 01:41:02 PM
Quote from: Kniwt on June 23, 2020, 10:28:55 PM
A little late to this thread, but MT 85 south of Belgrade is a reasonably urban four/five-lane road with a 70mph limit (65mph trucks), and signals about every mile or so. And more than a little traffic (AADT 15,900).
With flashing yellow arrows to boot. Nice.
And also, since I forgot to mention it earlier, not even any "Prepare To Stop When Flashing" indicators, either.
Quote from: webny99 on January 17, 2018, 08:55:15 PM
What roads have speed limits of 55 mph or higher, and yet still have traffic lights on them?
What is the highest posted speed limit in the US on a road with traffic lights?
A road segment must be signed for at least 50 mph and have at least three consecutive traffic lights to qualify. You have to start over if the speed limit drops, or it becomes a freeway.
NY 104 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2236872,-77.3758784,3a,75y,90.02h,75.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy5MtRtNuBw_iK6pLFe6pmQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), divided and signed 55 mph, has ten or so lights in the Town of Ontario.
NY 531 is also famous for 65 mph facing a signal (though it may drop to 55 briefly on the approach, and can't qualify anyway because only one light).
With 50MPH+, in California there would be a book full of them.
7th Standard Road in Kern County, California, is posted 55 and 65MPH and has traffic signals and even STOP signs.
I am fairly sure that most of the other of the E-W routes (named, numbered, and otherwise) between I-5 and CASR-99 are posted at 55 or higher and have signals and sometimes stop signs. CASR-132 in Stanislaus County is certainly one other them (although it is being upgrades so as to avoid some of them).
US-6 in western Nevada (between the California State Line and the concurrency with US-95) is posted for 70 MPH and is often
ADVISED down to 55MPH before some stop signs at intersections with various NV SRs.
US-95 in western Nevada is generally posted for 70 MPH, but is
posted down to something more pedestrian friendly inside most of the towns where most of the STOP signs and traffic signals are located. There may be some traffic controls on it outside of built up areas that do not drop the speed limit.
While in the Twin Cities area last weekend, I was quite surprised to find that Minnesota has at least one stoplight in a 65 mph zone — and in a fairly suburbanized/developed area, no less: MN 55 at Argenta Trail/Yankee Doodle Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8384658,-93.0987332,3a,19.1y,311.78h,89.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbzOKRRfn_l-UkArHWZUAiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:54:19 PM
While in the Twin Cities area last weekend, I was quite surprised to find that Minnesota has at least one stoplight in a 65 mph zone — and in a fairly suburbanized/developed area, no less: MN 55 at Argenta Trail/Yankee Doodle Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8384658,-93.0987332,3a,19.1y,311.78h,89.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbzOKRRfn_l-UkArHWZUAiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
And a double left turn with capability for permissive phasing! That's even more rare with that speed limit.
Unrelated, but would it fit better if this thread gets moved to the traffic control section?
I hope this hasn't already been mentioned here (I did a quick scroll-through but didn't read every single post):
Has anyone else noticed how Oklahoma reduces the speed limit from 65 to 55 any time a 65-MPH road approaches a traffic signal? It's one of the few things Oklahoma does consistently (unless there are roads I haven't seen where they don't do this). Other states, like neighboring Kansas, don't have this practice as far as I know. In Kansas, it's not very uncommon to see a traffic signal on a 65-MPH road, although you will likely see good warning signs.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on January 17, 2018, 09:30:08 PM
CA 41 south of Fresno all the way to CA 198 has a ton of them.
7th Standard Rd has several. It is, except maybe at one or both ends, posted at at least 55 MPH and does have a couple stoplights on the part that is posted 65 MPH.
Quote from: stridentweasel on August 12, 2021, 06:55:43 AM
I hope this hasn't already been mentioned here (I did a quick scroll-through but didn't read every single post):
Has anyone else noticed how Oklahoma reduces the speed limit from 65 to 55 any time a 65-MPH road approaches a traffic signal? It's one of the few things Oklahoma does consistently (unless there are roads I haven't seen where they don't do this). Other states, like neighboring Kansas, don't have this practice as far as I know. In Kansas, it's not very uncommon to see a traffic signal on a 65-MPH road, although you will likely see good warning signs.
colorado does this in some places, but i'm not sure anyone obeys them. a lot of places have 'prepare to stop when flashing' signs ahead of them.
Quote from: webny99 on January 17, 2018, 10:11:13 PM
Quote from: Revive 755 on January 17, 2018, 09:48:15 PM
Why three? IMHO it should be counted on a sliding scale, as stoplights on a 55 mph road are extremely common, bit less so on a 60 mph road, much less so on a 65 mph road, and I am certainly not knowing of any on a road posted at 70.
I've updated my OP to say three consecutive lights, and also no freeway segments in between. I'm not talking about a random stoplight here or there, I'm talking about multiple (at least three) and on a somewhat consistent basis, too, not huge gaps in between.
Regarding the bolded statement, I'm not at all convinced. We haven't had any street view links thus far, however, I am updating my OP to link to a segment of NY 104.
us 50 just west of canon city has 2 of them within a mile or two, on the 65 mph section (evans blvd and sh-67)
Quote from: stridentweasel on August 12, 2021, 06:55:43 AM
I hope this hasn't already been mentioned here (I did a quick scroll-through but didn't read every single post):
Has anyone else noticed how Oklahoma reduces the speed limit from 65 to 55 any time a 65-MPH road approaches a traffic signal? It's one of the few things Oklahoma does consistently (unless there are roads I haven't seen where they don't do this). Other states, like neighboring Kansas, don't have this practice as far as I know. In Kansas, it's not very uncommon to see a traffic signal on a 65-MPH road, although you will likely see good warning signs.
Louisiana does this consistently as well
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 11, 2021, 04:33:31 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:54:19 PM
While in the Twin Cities area last weekend, I was quite surprised to find that Minnesota has at least one stoplight in a 65 mph zone — and in a fairly suburbanized/developed area, no less: MN 55 at Argenta Trail/Yankee Doodle Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8384658,-93.0987332,3a,19.1y,311.78h,89.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbzOKRRfn_l-UkArHWZUAiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
And a double left turn with capability for permissive phasing! That's even more rare with that speed limit.
Not as rare as you may think. Given MnDOT policies (https://www.dot.state.mn.us/trafficeng/publ/signaldesign/2018signaldesignmanual.pdf) (pg 2-20), I
highly doubt this signal uses a permissive mode. When the FYA was rolled out, MnDOT determined there were cost savings in going with 4-lens left turn signals for ALL left turn signals regardless of whether they're protected-permitted or protected-only. In coming years, you will find the 5-lens signal an increasingly endangered species in Minnesota (and most of the remaining examples I know of are at the local or county level).
Quote from: froggie on August 15, 2021, 09:31:54 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 11, 2021, 04:33:31 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:54:19 PM
While in the Twin Cities area last weekend, I was quite surprised to find that Minnesota has at least one stoplight in a 65 mph zone — and in a fairly suburbanized/developed area, no less: MN 55 at Argenta Trail/Yankee Doodle Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8384658,-93.0987332,3a,19.1y,311.78h,89.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbzOKRRfn_l-UkArHWZUAiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
And a double left turn with capability for permissive phasing! That's even more rare with that speed limit.
Not as rare as you may think. Given MnDOT policies (https://www.dot.state.mn.us/trafficeng/publ/signaldesign/2018signaldesignmanual.pdf) (pg 2-20), I highly doubt this signal uses a permissive mode. When the FYA was rolled out, MnDOT determined there were cost savings in going with 4-lens left turn signals for ALL left turn signals regardless of whether they're protected-permitted or protected-only. In coming years, you will find the 5-lens signal an increasingly endangered species in Minnesota (and most of the remaining examples I know of are at the local or county level).
However, there is a sign visible in the Street View link (between the two left turn signals) that reads LEFT TURN YIELD ON FLASHING YELLOW ARROW.
So unless the sign is incorrect or has been removed since 2019, permissive left turns appear to be allowed.
^ I believe that's another MnDOT default due to the 4-lens signal. I can tell you from personal experience that the signals on 55 on the other side of the metro NEVER go FYA, even at 1am...
65 MPH stoplights are all over in MN.
US 10 has a number of them between Elk River and St. Cloud
US 169 at Fremont Avenue in Zimmerman
MN 23 between US 10 and Foley
MN 65 between Ham Lake and Cambridge
US 14 at County 5 in Byron (this one might be getting interchanged soon)
Quote from: stridentweasel on August 12, 2021, 06:55:43 AM
I hope this hasn't already been mentioned here (I did a quick scroll-through but didn't read every single post):
Has anyone else noticed how Oklahoma reduces the speed limit from 65 to 55 any time a 65-MPH road approaches a traffic signal? It's one of the few things Oklahoma does consistently (unless there are roads I haven't seen where they don't do this). Other states, like neighboring Kansas, don't have this practice as far as I know. In Kansas, it's not very uncommon to see a traffic signal on a 65-MPH road, although you will likely see good warning signs.
I may have mentioned this earlier in this thread, but FL does this as well, at least on US 301. There are no intersections with traffic lights with speed limits greater than 55 mph, which means there are numerous momentary drops from 60 or 65 mph.
Quote from: froggie on August 15, 2021, 11:03:21 PM
^ I believe that's another MnDOT default due to the 4-lens signal. I can tell you from personal experience that the signals on 55 on the other side of the metro NEVER go FYA, even at 1am...
So there's probably no FYA phase, meaning the sign is only theoretical. Interesting.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 15, 2021, 11:16:07 PM
65 MPH stoplights are all over in MN.
Are there any others in such close proximity to the Twin Cities, though? I was surprised by the 65 mph limit on that section of MN 55.
Quote from: webny99 on August 15, 2021, 11:27:11 PM
Are there any others in such close proximity to the Twin Cities, though? I was surprised by the 65 mph limit on that section of MN 55.
The next closest is probably MN 36/Lake Elmo Avenue between 694 and Stillwater, but there are plans to make that into an interchange in 2025.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on August 15, 2021, 11:55:19 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 15, 2021, 11:27:11 PM
Are there any others in such close proximity to the Twin Cities, though? I was surprised by the 65 mph limit on that section of MN 55.
The next closest is probably MN 36/Lake Elmo Avenue between 694 and Stillwater, but there are plans to make that into an interchange in 2025.
Huh, I passed through there last weekend as well (heading westbound) and failed to notice the 65 mph speed limit. I was probably too busy focusing on the traffic going the other way - it had to be a solid two miles of traffic approaching that light. This was Friday afternoon, of course, so probably peak time, but still, I'm not sure I've seen anything like it for a single light.
Quote from: webny99 on August 15, 2021, 10:54:33 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 15, 2021, 09:31:54 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 11, 2021, 04:33:31 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:54:19 PM
While in the Twin Cities area last weekend, I was quite surprised to find that Minnesota has at least one stoplight in a 65 mph zone — and in a fairly suburbanized/developed area, no less: MN 55 at Argenta Trail/Yankee Doodle Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8384658,-93.0987332,3a,19.1y,311.78h,89.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbzOKRRfn_l-UkArHWZUAiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
And a double left turn with capability for permissive phasing! That's even more rare with that speed limit.
Not as rare as you may think. Given MnDOT policies (https://www.dot.state.mn.us/trafficeng/publ/signaldesign/2018signaldesignmanual.pdf) (pg 2-20), I highly doubt this signal uses a permissive mode. When the FYA was rolled out, MnDOT determined there were cost savings in going with 4-lens left turn signals for ALL left turn signals regardless of whether they're protected-permitted or protected-only. In coming years, you will find the 5-lens signal an increasingly endangered species in Minnesota (and most of the remaining examples I know of are at the local or county level).
However, there is a sign visible in the Street View link (between the two left turn signals) that reads LEFT TURN YIELD ON FLASHING YELLOW ARROW.
So unless the sign is incorrect or has been removed since 2019, permissive left turns appear to be allowed.
Quote from: froggie on August 15, 2021, 11:03:21 PM
^ I believe that's another MnDOT default due to the 4-lens signal. I can tell you from personal experience that the signals on 55 on the other side of the metro NEVER go FYA, even at 1am...
If it's the case that they used the 4-aspect signal housing, but never intend to run permitted phasing, I fail to see how that saves MnDOT money long term. I would imagine a 4-aspect signal would cost a little more in initial purchase price (plus, potentially, having the wiring installed to accommodate the FYA phase), plus also the added cost of installing a sign whose instructions are not going to be used...
I could see if this were a location where a permitted operation were conceivable. But for a dual-left turn along a higher-speed divided highway not far from a slight curve...it just doesn't seem to be a likely candidate for a permitted left in most jurisdictions.
Quote from: webny99 on January 17, 2018, 08:55:15 PM
What roads have speed limits of 55 mph or higher, and yet still have traffic lights on them?
What is the highest posted speed limit in the US on a road with traffic lights?
A road segment must be signed for at least 50 mph and have at least three consecutive traffic lights to qualify. You have to start over if the speed limit drops, or it becomes a freeway.
NY 104 (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.2236872,-77.3758784,3a,75y,90.02h,75.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy5MtRtNuBw_iK6pLFe6pmQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), divided and signed 55 mph, has ten or so lights in the Town of Ontario.
NY 531 is also famous for 65 mph facing a signal (though it may drop to 55 briefly on the approach, and can't qualify anyway because only one light).
Routes 110, and 231 in Long Island. What really gets me about this is that these roads literally have the same speed limit, 55 mph, as the two major east west expressways, when those speed limits should be higher.
Quote from: froggie on August 15, 2021, 09:31:54 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 11, 2021, 04:33:31 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:54:19 PM
While in the Twin Cities area last weekend, I was quite surprised to find that Minnesota has at least one stoplight in a 65 mph zone — and in a fairly suburbanized/developed area, no less: MN 55 at Argenta Trail/Yankee Doodle Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8384658,-93.0987332,3a,19.1y,311.78h,89.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbzOKRRfn_l-UkArHWZUAiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
And a double left turn with capability for permissive phasing! That's even more rare with that speed limit.
Not as rare as you may think. Given MnDOT policies (https://www.dot.state.mn.us/trafficeng/publ/signaldesign/2018signaldesignmanual.pdf) (pg 2-20), I highly doubt this signal uses a permissive mode. When the FYA was rolled out, MnDOT determined there were cost savings in going with 4-lens left turn signals for ALL left turn signals regardless of whether they're protected-permitted or protected-only. In coming years, you will find the 5-lens signal an increasingly endangered species in Minnesota (and most of the remaining examples I know of are at the local or county level).
However, as has been pointed out before, there are examples of double left turn FYA signals in Minnesota that do operate with time of day phasing. This may not be one of them, but Minnesota is one of the few states that does (a) install dual left turns with the
capability of permissive phasing, and (b) not outright ban them (many states do not have recommendations against permissive phasing with dual left turns, but rather outright bans).
Quote from: jakeroot on August 17, 2021, 06:55:52 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 15, 2021, 09:31:54 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 11, 2021, 04:33:31 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:54:19 PM
While in the Twin Cities area last weekend, I was quite surprised to find that Minnesota has at least one stoplight in a 65 mph zone — and in a fairly suburbanized/developed area, no less: MN 55 at Argenta Trail/Yankee Doodle Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8384658,-93.0987332,3a,19.1y,311.78h,89.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbzOKRRfn_l-UkArHWZUAiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
And a double left turn with capability for permissive phasing! That's even more rare with that speed limit.
Not as rare as you may think. Given MnDOT policies (https://www.dot.state.mn.us/trafficeng/publ/signaldesign/2018signaldesignmanual.pdf) (pg 2-20), I highly doubt this signal uses a permissive mode. When the FYA was rolled out, MnDOT determined there were cost savings in going with 4-lens left turn signals for ALL left turn signals regardless of whether they're protected-permitted or protected-only. In coming years, you will find the 5-lens signal an increasingly endangered species in Minnesota (and most of the remaining examples I know of are at the local or county level).
However, as has been pointed out before, there are examples of double left turn FYA signals in Minnesota that do operate with time of day phasing. This may not be one of them, but Minnesota is one of the few states that does (a) install dual left turns with the capability of permissive phasing, and (b) not outright ban them (many states do not have recommendations against permissive phasing with dual left turns, but rather outright bans).
Why would there be a sign saying "left turn yield on flashing yellow arrow" if there is no time when the FYA will appear?
Quote from: mrsman on January 16, 2022, 04:19:01 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on August 17, 2021, 06:55:52 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 15, 2021, 09:31:54 AM
Quote from: SkyPesos on August 11, 2021, 04:33:31 PM
Quote from: webny99 on August 11, 2021, 03:54:19 PM
While in the Twin Cities area last weekend, I was quite surprised to find that Minnesota has at least one stoplight in a 65 mph zone — and in a fairly suburbanized/developed area, no less: MN 55 at Argenta Trail/Yankee Doodle Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.8384658,-93.0987332,3a,19.1y,311.78h,89.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbzOKRRfn_l-UkArHWZUAiQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1?hl=en)
And a double left turn with capability for permissive phasing! That's even more rare with that speed limit.
Not as rare as you may think. Given MnDOT policies (https://www.dot.state.mn.us/trafficeng/publ/signaldesign/2018signaldesignmanual.pdf) (pg 2-20), I highly doubt this signal uses a permissive mode. When the FYA was rolled out, MnDOT determined there were cost savings in going with 4-lens left turn signals for ALL left turn signals regardless of whether they're protected-permitted or protected-only. In coming years, you will find the 5-lens signal an increasingly endangered species in Minnesota (and most of the remaining examples I know of are at the local or county level).
However, as has been pointed out before, there are examples of double left turn FYA signals in Minnesota that do operate with time of day phasing. This may not be one of them, but Minnesota is one of the few states that does (a) install dual left turns with the capability of permissive phasing, and (b) not outright ban them (many states do not have recommendations against permissive phasing with dual left turns, but rather outright bans).
Why would there be a sign saying "left turn yield on flashing yellow arrow" if there is no time when the FYA will appear?
I've been led to believe that some (perhaps even many?) of these do switch to permissive modes during overnight hours. If not that, I suppose the sign is SOP with flashing yellow arrows, even if they intend to operate them protected-only 24/7.
Not really "high speed", but US 45 BYP in Jackson is 55 mph with red lights for most of the highway, and US 45 E to Martin where it's 55 mph bypassing Medina and Bradford has red lights (they enforce said 55 too, at least Bradford is a speed trap, illegal photo speed trap at that, they can't force you to pay the fine since it's illegal, lol). I don't remember the 65 zones having red lights.
US 412 toward Dyersburg and Lexington don't have red lights, US 412 toward Dyersburg AT ALL and US 412 toward Lexington once it becomes 4 lanes until you get into town and it slows down to 40 mph.
I don't remember US 45 W toward Union City since I haven't been on it in a long ass time past Trenton (as in probably when I was 10 or less), plus I don't think it gets past 55 anyway, and I haven't personally driven US 45 south past the South Jackson Walmart, I have been on it down to Tupelo, but a friend was driving, and that was five years ago. I do know it gets up to 65, and I know the 55 zones have red lights though.
There's a light on MA 2 out in Fitchburg at the intersection of Mt. Elam Rd. Passed it many times.
Quote from: BlueOutback7 on January 17, 2022, 02:12:02 PM
There's a light on MA 2 out in Fitchburg at the intersection of Mt. Elam Rd. Passed it many times.
I'd hardly call 45 mph a "high speed limit": https://goo.gl/maps/b6UWpme2MF693VA87
I didn't realize the speed limit was 45. I would have guessed 55, but what about the traffic light on US 1 in Peabody?