Let me explain how this happened this afternoon coming home from Detroit.
It was about the tail end of the afternoon rush hour and I was traveling with the flow of traffic which at this point was about 80 mph on I-75 north of the Great Lakes Crossings area in Auburn Hills. A cop had a car pulled over all the way on the right shoulder blocking some of but not all of the right lane. Traffic in the middle lane and left lane decided they need to slow down to 45 mph passing this cop. I'm thinking to myself what is the reason to slow down, that cop is all the way over to the right not effecting the flow of traffic at all. It just irks me that people feel the need to slam on their brakes just because they see a cop. First of all, if you're speeding and a cop is occupied that cop isn't going to pull you over and 80 mph on I-75 in Michigan is a common speed. Second of all, it's pretty dangerous to suddenly drop 35 mph on the Interstate knowing that the flow of traffic behind you is coming at 75-80 mph.
Another thing that irks me is when people feel the need to slow down going up a hill on the Interstate. I know this isn't an Interstate but I see this happen on the Southfield Freeway in Detroit all the time because that freeway is indeed like riding a roller coaster with all the up and down movements since the freeway is at grade instead of an urban depressed freeway. Michigan has a lot of terrible drivers and I've seen enough of them to last me a lifetime.
The fact that in PA you have drivers that do not know how to maintain speed, despite PA's terrain, makes me think the effort to teach people how to do so would be frustratingly wasted.
Not uncommon in California for traffic to come to a crawl only resume normal speeds again after passing a wreck ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY!
I-295 in DC has a well-known speed camera, so I don't blame people who slow down past that, even if they slow to 5 under the speed limit as a hedge against speedometer error and camera miscalibration.
Regarding uphill grades, I think a lot of automatic-transmission drivers don't have any clue about forcing the car to use a lower gear.
Edited to add: The signs at Florida's rest areas regarding their "move over or slow down" law say that if you cannot safely move over for a stopped cop or emergency vehicle, you are required to slow to 20 mph below the speed limit. That seems excessive to me and it seems like it would likely cause its own set of hazards, but I suppose there's something to the idea that someone who slows substantially in the lane adjacent to the incident is doing the right thing. That doesn't excuse the people on the other side of the road who slow to a crawl unless, perhaps, the incident is in the median. (I find the situation Plutonic Panda notes to be common in many states.)
You noted that some of the right lane was blocked - wouldn't that lead to drivers shifting over to the middle lane? Slowing at least a little makes sense to me in this scenario.
Don't many states have a "change lanes or slow down" law designed to protect roadside police/EMS/fire? Texas recently enacted one, and I have found that it makes sense to slow down (a little) in the near two or three lanes because inattentive drivers will suddenly change lanes.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 19, 2018, 07:17:23 AM
Not uncommon in California for traffic to come to a crawl only resume normal speeds again after passing a wreck ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY!
Ugh! I remember that from my time in San Mateo. You'd see traffic back up on the bridge on the other side of the road from the wreck or even just the police pulling someone over. I have no idea why rubbernecking is such a horrible and persistent problem in CA.
I must agree that slowing below speed for cops, and rubbernecking, are two issues I very much dislike for their disruption to traffic flow.
Once, several months ago, on 590 South (which usually flows freely in the afternoon rush), traffic slowed to a crawl and then without warning stopped completely, causing me to gently rear-end the car in front. We pulled over briefly, noting minimal damage to my car and none to hers, and decided not to call in. I merged back into traffic only to find out that the slowdown had been caused by rubbernecking due to a major accident on 590 North :banghead: :banghead: That incident has dramatically increased my hatred for rubbernecking. It was a classic example of one accident leading to another. Of course, I must partly blame my own stupidity for not being more attentive, but still a totally avoidable incident.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 19, 2018, 01:02:05 AM
Traffic in the middle lane and left lane decided they need to slow down to 45 mph passing this cop....Second of all, it's pretty dangerous to suddenly drop 35 mph on the Interstate knowing that the flow of traffic behind you is coming at 75-80 mph.
It's also pretty dangerous to continue at 75 mph when the person in front of you is doing 45 mph.
Remember also, if you slow down to 45 mph because the person in front of you did the same thing, the driver behind you is mad at YOU for slowing down to 45 mph as well.
So...it's really the first person that slowed down to 45 mph that ruins it for everyone else. Everyone else has no choice but to slow down as well...including you!
For the longest time, I-80 through Joliet IL went from 55 to 45 MPH for about a mile or so.. They finally reverted it to 55. Everyone drove 70 over it regardless of the posted limit.
Quote from: inkyatari on January 19, 2018, 12:39:56 PM
For the longest time, I-80 through Joliet IL went from 55 to 45 MPH for about a mile or so.. They finally reverted it to 55. Everyone drove 70 over it regardless of the posted limit.
This thread is about drivers slowing down to low speeds... not low speed limits (although there are plenty of threads about those).
I'm not mad at the car in front of me that did it. I'm mad at the car that led to all this slow down because they simply couldn't move over ahead of time and maintain at least the speed limit which on that stretch of I-75 is 70 mph. I was in the left lane and had to slow down to 45 mph for something that was on the right shoulder that's not right.
And yes the cop had the right lane somewhat blocked but you could see the cop at least 3/4 of a mile from where he was there was plenty of time to move over and continue at least at the speed limit but nope there are just way too many people in Michigan that don't know how to drive and shouldn't be behind the wheel of a car.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 19, 2018, 09:41:10 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 19, 2018, 01:02:05 AM
Traffic in the middle lane and left lane decided they need to slow down to 45 mph passing this cop....Second of all, it's pretty dangerous to suddenly drop 35 mph on the Interstate knowing that the flow of traffic behind you is coming at 75-80 mph.
It's also pretty dangerous to continue at 75 mph when the person in front of you is doing 45 mph.
Remember also, if you slow down to 45 mph because the person in front of you did the same thing, the driver behind you is mad at YOU for slowing down to 45 mph as well.
So...it's really the first person that slowed down to 45 mph that ruins it for everyone else. Everyone else has no choice but to slow down as well...including you!
Yes the first person that slowed down to 45 mph is fully to blame and should not have done that. That's my point.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 19, 2018, 02:00:46 PM
I'm not mad at the car in front of me that did it. I'm mad at the car that led to all this slow down because they simply couldn't move over ahead of time and maintain at least the speed limit which on that stretch of I-75 is 70 mph. I was in the left lane and had to slow down to 45 mph for something that was on the right shoulder that's not right.
If volume is too high, there will inevitably be a backup if everyone has to get out of a certain lane. It depends on the shoulder width whether or not I consider it necessary to switch lanes.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 19, 2018, 01:02:05 AM
Let me explain how this happened this afternoon coming home from Detroit.
It was about the tail end of the afternoon rush hour and I was traveling with the flow of traffic which at this point was about 80 mph on I-75 north of the Great Lakes Crossings area in Auburn Hills. A cop had a car pulled over all the way on the right shoulder blocking some of but not all of the right lane. Traffic in the middle lane and left lane decided they need to slow down to 45 mph passing this cop. I'm thinking to myself what is the reason to slow down, that cop is all the way over to the right not effecting the flow of traffic at all. It just irks me that people feel the need to slam on their brakes just because they see a cop. First of all, if you're speeding and a cop is occupied that cop isn't going to pull you over and 80 mph on I-75 in Michigan is a common speed. Second of all, it's pretty dangerous to suddenly drop 35 mph on the Interstate knowing that the flow of traffic behind you is coming at 75-80 mph.
Another thing that irks me is when people feel the need to slow down going up a hill on the Interstate. I know this isn't an Interstate but I see this happen on the Southfield Freeway in Detroit all the time because that freeway is indeed like riding a roller coaster with all the up and down movements since the freeway is at grade instead of an urban depressed freeway. Michigan has a lot of terrible drivers and I've seen enough of them to last me a lifetime.
People are like sheep and are astray. Remember no one cares about anyone behind them, just go to a drive up ATM and spend ten minutes behind a car who does nothing and neither takes out nor deposits cash from the machine. They will push buttons and then wait 30 seconds and push more buttons. Do they give a crap that a line is forming behind them? Even when one person is done even at the manned teller lanes, they decide to count their money before they pull up instead of at least showing the courtesy to pull up a little to count their cash as they could easily walk back to where you are and use the intercom to say "Hey you shorted me" or even do the better thign and go inside the bank itself.
They do the same thing at toll plazas putting away their wallets after they pay the toll. They could care less the man or woman behind them is there and most of all they themselves pulled into the toll booth at 70 mph and will continue at that one once their settled and the wallet is secure in their back pocket. I think people do not give a crap just like in rubbernecking. Most are pissed that they are not moving at highway speed, but when they come to an accident that causes the jam that they are a part of, they too rubberneck as that cool crunch of the two vehicle's bodies are so cool and they too have to stop and stare themselves and then piss the cars behind them off.
Quote from: webny99 on January 19, 2018, 02:03:04 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 19, 2018, 02:00:46 PM
I'm not mad at the car in front of me that did it. I'm mad at the car that led to all this slow down because they simply couldn't move over ahead of time and maintain at least the speed limit which on that stretch of I-75 is 70 mph. I was in the left lane and had to slow down to 45 mph for something that was on the right shoulder that's not right.
If volume is too high, there will inevitably be a backup if everyone has to get out of a certain lane. It depends on the shoulder width whether or not I consider it necessary to switch lanes.
It's good to move over when you can because anything can happen. Usually it's just a normal traffic stop. However, maybe the cop is behind someone changing a tire, and suddenly the tire rolls out between the cars. Or a guy jumps out of the car to make a run for it.
If you're the one stuck on the side of the road changing a tire, you definitely appreciate people moving over, rather than flying by at highway speeds.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 19, 2018, 01:02:05 AM
Another thing that irks me is when people feel the need to slow down going up a hill on the Interstate. I know this isn't an Interstate but I see this happen on the Southfield Freeway in Detroit all the time because that freeway is indeed like riding a roller coaster with all the up and down movements since the freeway is at grade instead of an urban depressed freeway. Michigan has a lot of terrible drivers and I've seen enough of them to last me a lifetime.
In mountainous country, I do this to keep my automatic transmission from downshifting more often than I want it to. Only on the steepest of hills do I let it drop down to that extra gear (what I've taken to calling "Branson gear").
My time: I-5, both left lane and right lane slowed down to 35 or so just to let a squirrel cross safely.
Quote from: Rothman on January 19, 2018, 07:14:04 AM
The fact that in PA you have drivers that do not know how to maintain speed, despite PA's terrain, makes me think the effort to teach people how to do so would be frustratingly wasted.
People just assume that because their foot is on the throttle that the car will go faster automatically.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 20, 2018, 12:58:51 PM
Quote from: Rothman on January 19, 2018, 07:14:04 AM
The fact that in PA you have drivers that do not know how to maintain speed, despite PA's terrain, makes me think the effort to teach people how to do so would be frustratingly wasted.
People just assume that because their foot is on the throttle that the car will go faster automatically.
I'm not sure about that. I assume I won't slow down, but obviously it depends how hard you press whether you maintain speed, or speed up :-D I think that's pretty universally accepted as conventional wisdom.
There were a few times the other day that I just flat out punched it and was going about 95 mph to get around some of the slow pokes. If I had seen a cop my drop back speed was 80 mph meaning I would have dropped back to where my cruise was set.
Quote from: webny99 on January 20, 2018, 01:50:58 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on January 20, 2018, 12:58:51 PM
Quote from: Rothman on January 19, 2018, 07:14:04 AM
The fact that in PA you have drivers that do not know how to maintain speed, despite PA's terrain, makes me think the effort to teach people how to do so would be frustratingly wasted.
People just assume that because their foot is on the throttle that the car will go faster automatically.
I'm not sure about that. I assume I won't slow down, but obviously it depends how hard you press whether you maintain speed, or speed up :-D I think that's pretty universally accepted as conventional wisdom.
What I'm trying to say is some people make no effort whatsoever to maintain speed.
With how available cruise control is, it makes the uphill slowdown that much more frustrating.
Quote from: Rothman on January 20, 2018, 10:37:29 PM
With how available cruise control is, it makes the uphill slowdown that much more frustrating.
I would disagree on curvy uphill segments but your point is still valid. Just use cruise control people.
Some cars' cruise controls don't do well in the mountains–they slow too much on uphills and gain too much speed on downhills. Just like some drivers, I guess!
My Equinox is the first vehicle I've had with a cruise control that will down shift the transmission to limit how much speed it builds up coasting down a steep hill.
I've got the V-6 so it holds speed well going up these hills in the first place.
I'll also admit to slowing down on the Interstate if it's icy AND I see a car (or cars) in the ditch. Sorry, I know it pisses everyone else off, but I've never ditched a car on an icy road. I've even been known to leave early and allow more time to get somewhere when the weather sucks.
Egad, I know how fucking radical that is.
Heh. I was putt-putting along on the Thruway in icy conditions a couple of weeks ago. Kept in the right lane where slow traffic is supposed to be.
Some hot shot sped past me and instantly began fishtailing. Almost hit me. Putz. :D
I drive the speed that I'm comfortable driving for the most part. I feel that at 80 mph on an Interstate I'm going fast enough and don't need to go any faster usually. If there had been icy conditions or something else I would have indeed been going slower.
^ Better to be the one who's the slowpoke than the one in the ditch...
Quote from: froggie on January 22, 2018, 01:01:29 PM
^ Better to be the one who's the slowpoke than the one in the ditch...
+1
I've noted before that I don't like driving on high-speed routes like interstates when there's snowy weather. Many drivers don't slow down to an appropriate speed for conditions, especially tractor-trailers.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 22, 2018, 01:22:21 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 22, 2018, 01:01:29 PM
^ Better to be the one who's the slowpoke than the one in the ditch...
+1
I've noted before that I don't like driving on high-speed routes like interstates when there's snowy weather. Many drivers don't slow down to an appropriate speed for conditions, especially tractor-trailers.
I'm not a huge fan of driving in snowy weather, period, both because of people who don't drive at appropriate speeds and because of people who refuse to use their headlights even when the snow is falling heavily.
Quote from: Rothman on January 21, 2018, 12:18:56 PM
Heh. I was putt-putting along on the Thruway in icy conditions a couple of weeks ago. Kept in the right lane where slow traffic is supposed to be.
Some hot shot sped past me and instantly began fishtailing. Almost hit me. Putz. :D
Reminds me of the time I was heading east from Scranton on I-84 in moderate to heavy rain. I was doing about 45 in the right lane when an older Cadillac passed me going about 80. About twenty miles later, a couple of state troopers and an ambulance passed me. So, about two miles later, I come upon the same troopers and ambulance stopped in the left lane. I also noted that same Cadillac that had passed me earlier, now sitting in a ditch off the left side of the road. It had turned around 180 degrees, and had a splinter pattern in the windshield.
As the saying goes, slow and steady .....
It's understandable to slow down when the right lane is partially blocked. One wide vehicle's driver decides to cut over to make sure not to hit the police car, drivers in the next lane slow to let them in. Chain reaction ensues.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 22, 2018, 01:22:21 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 22, 2018, 01:01:29 PM
^ Better to be the one who's the slowpoke than the one in the ditch...
+1
I've noted before that I don't like driving on high-speed routes like interstates when there's snowy weather. Many drivers don't slow down to an appropriate speed for conditions, especially tractor-trailers.
Certainly. There are a few curves on I-87 north of Albany that have frequent accidents in the winter because people in SUVs think they're fine with 4WD. I have seen people blow past me and end up in a ditch a few miles up the road several times. You can drive in the snow with a normal car and all-season tires, just need to be careful.
At least around here, the Interstates are most likely to be clear, so speed on those is really only an issue while it's falling or if it's drifting. Now, what REALLY irks me is when the road is dry with a layer of salt and one person decides to go 30 because there's snow on the side of the road, slowing everyone down. Seen many near-accidents due to that.
I-295 South in NJ between exit 32 and 26 will come to a complete stop from ~70 MPH for no apparent reason at least twice during a normal morning commute. There have been a lot of accidents on this stretch because of this. (during an abnormal morning commute the entire stretch may be at a standstill). As for cops, I *will* slow down to the speed limit (not below) if I see a cop stopped in the shoulder (or right lane or whatever) from far enough away. You might think that the cop is busy, but there can be more around, or the existing one may radio for more. I learned the (somewhat) hard way when the latter actually happened. I say somewhat because I was given a warning and my offense was not following the move over law rather than speeding.
Quote from: bzakharin on January 23, 2018, 01:43:31 PM
I-295 South in NJ between exit 32 and 26 will come to a complete stop from ~70 MPH for no apparent reason at least twice during a normal morning commute. There have been a lot of accidents on this stretch because of this. (during an abnormal morning commute the entire stretch may be at a standstill). As for cops, I *will* slow down to the speed limit (not below) if I see a cop stopped in the shoulder (or right lane or whatever) from far enough away. You might think that the cop is busy, but there can be more around, or the existing one may radio for more. I learned the (somewhat) hard way when the latter actually happened. I say somewhat because I was given a warning and my offense was not following the move over law rather than speeding.
Well, it slows down for normal rush hour congestion, which is the typical case everywhere. As far as slowing down, if you're slowing down to the speed limit then claiming you did slow down, you're probably very lucky you only got a warning. While we all know 295 is severely under posted, it doesn't hurt to slow down just a bit more just to show that you were actually slowing down.
Quote from: hbelkins on January 22, 2018, 01:22:21 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 22, 2018, 01:01:29 PM
^ Better to be the one who's the slowpoke than the one in the ditch...
+1
I've noted before that I don't like driving on high-speed routes like interstates when there's snowy weather. Many drivers don't slow down to an appropriate speed for conditions, especially tractor-trailers.
As for I-75 coming north of Detroit the best alternate route would be to take Woodward Avenue to Pontiac then loop around there to connect to Dixie Highway north to the Oakland/Genesee County line where it turns into Saginaw Road, taking Dort Highway through the east side of Flint to reconnect with Saginaw Road in Clio then that becomes Dixie Highway and when you enter Saginaw it becomes Genesee Avenue. Taking that route takes a lot longer but if I-75 has a problem or it's just too bad of conditions to drive at least that's an alternate. US-23 would be another alternate but US-23 is a freeway just like I-75 for it's first 160 miles or so in Michigan. It multiplexes with I-75 for 70 miles between Flint and Standish.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 23, 2018, 01:58:36 PM
Quote from: bzakharin on January 23, 2018, 01:43:31 PM
I-295 South in NJ between exit 32 and 26 will come to a complete stop from ~70 MPH for no apparent reason at least twice during a normal morning commute. There have been a lot of accidents on this stretch because of this. (during an abnormal morning commute the entire stretch may be at a standstill). As for cops, I *will* slow down to the speed limit (not below) if I see a cop stopped in the shoulder (or right lane or whatever) from far enough away. You might think that the cop is busy, but there can be more around, or the existing one may radio for more. I learned the (somewhat) hard way when the latter actually happened. I say somewhat because I was given a warning and my offense was not following the move over law rather than speeding.
Well, it slows down for normal rush hour congestion, which is the typical case everywhere. As far as slowing down, if you're slowing down to the speed limit then claiming you did slow down, you're probably very lucky you only got a warning. While we all know 295 is severely under posted, it doesn't hurt to slow down just a bit more just to show that you were actually slowing down.
I slow down to the speed limit *and* move over (if applicable). If I can't move over I slow down below the speed limit. Now that I got my warning.
Sorry, the two statements were unrelated. I was pulled over for violating the move over law on the Atlantic City Expressway not I-295. I did not move over or slow down (because I got my license recently at the time, and none of the study materials referenced the move over law. Once the officer who pulled me over told me why he did so I faintly remembered when they first passed the law). I think I mentioned that in the "roads that taught me to drive" thread.
About a month or two ago I was in the left lane doing about 80 mph. A behind me was flashing his high beams at me and I didn't move over. Then he shines his side light at me and at that point I thought screw it and got over. It was a Michigan State cop. He didn't do anything to me though.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 27, 2018, 10:06:33 PM
About a month or two ago I was in the left lane doing about 80 mph. A behind me was flashing his high beams at me and I didn't move over. Then he shines his side light at me and at that point I thought screw it and got over. It was a Michigan State cop. He didn't do anything to me though.
Wierd that he didn't turn on his police lights. That would be the typical police move.
^ In my experience, only if they're responding to a call would they turn their flashing lights on in this scenario.
People on freeways who start slowing down a half mile before their exit. One near me that's notorious is I-696 at Orchard Lake Road in Farmington Hills (both directions, but especially westbound). I'm almost always behind someone doing this. The freeway slightly curves through the exit point and apparently people can't handle that.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 27, 2018, 10:06:33 PM
About a month or two ago I was in the left lane doing about 80 mph. A behind me was flashing his high beams at me and I didn't move over. Then he shines his side light at me and at that point I thought screw it and got over. It was a Michigan State cop. He didn't do anything to me though.
I had that happen to me several years ago on I-94 in mid-Michigan. No lights; not even flashing high beams or a side light; the f****r was just tailgating me at 80. It wasn't until I moved back to the right lane after I finished passing other vehicles and he passed me that I saw he was a state trooper. I was so f***ing mad I would have stopped to get his license number and filed a complaint had I seen him pulled over farther ahead.
Quote from: Plutonic Panda on January 19, 2018, 07:17:23 AM
Not uncommon in California for traffic to come to a crawl only resume normal speeds again after passing a wreck ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FREEWAY!
Two things:
1) George Carlin in "Brain Droppings" and in some of his stand up routines "Can You Move the Body a Little Closer?"
2) Emergency vehicles here seem to remain lighted up in emergency mode until they get back on patrol and the crew finish their Red Bulls. So, some of the reason that people slow down on the other side of the freeway is the visual hazard. Also, since crashes, fires, and calls for roadside assistance often result in traffic jams, the assistance often is rendered by vehicles from the opposite side of the road. It's just a practical matter.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 28, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
People on freeways who start slowing down a half mile before their exit. One near me that's notorious is I-696 at Orchard Lake Road in Farmington Hills (both directions, but especially westbound). I'm almost always behind someone doing this. The freeway slightly curves through the exit point and apparently people can't handle that.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 27, 2018, 10:06:33 PM
About a month or two ago I was in the left lane doing about 80 mph. A behind me was flashing his high beams at me and I didn't move over. Then he shines his side light at me and at that point I thought screw it and got over. It was a Michigan State cop. He didn't do anything to me though.
I had that happen to me several years ago on I-94 in mid-Michigan. No lights; not even flashing high beams or a side light; the f****r was just tailgating me at 80. It wasn't until I moved back to the right lane after I finished passing other vehicles and he passed me that I saw he was a state trooper. I was so f***ing mad I would have stopped to get his license number and filed a complaint had I seen him pulled over farther ahead.
The worst one in the Detroit area for slowing down for no reason at all is on the Southfield Freeway it's ridiculous going up and down those hills like a roller coaster and having people slow down for the hills. My incident with the state cop happened on I-75 going north between Pontiac and Flint.
Quote from: wanderer2575 on January 28, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
People on freeways who start slowing down a half mile before their exit. One near me that's notorious is I-696 at Orchard Lake Road in Farmington Hills (both directions, but especially westbound). I'm almost always behind someone doing this. The freeway slightly curves through the exit point and apparently people can't handle that.
There is an exit like that on the Atlantic City Expressway (I think Exit 12 Westbound). In that case, people don't signal when exiting from the right lane, so it *appears* like they're slowing down when in reality they are already in the exit lane and can be safely passed.
Sometimes *I* slow down too early because the location of the Exit -> signs is inconsistent, sometimes at gore point and sometimes before the exit lane begins. I believe the ACE is guilty of that one as well.
Quote from: bzakharin on January 29, 2018, 10:55:47 AM
I believe the ACE is guilty of that one as well.
I think you meant the GSP is guilty of this, which they definitely are!
I-4 does around Disney as those tourists are so afraid of missing their exit. Once you leave that area you can resume 80-85 mph.
The key is to maintain an escape route, and also be aware of what is around you. Yes the rubberneckers are a pain. Some people are to engrossed in texting, or changing the radio station, and don't concentrate on driving well enough. Some cars may not be capable of keeping the speed limit on hills. This begs the question of why the driver will not get over to the slower lanes.
I recently got my CDL. One thing that was stressed was reading, and also paying attention to surroundings. With 80K lbs, you are not going to be able to stop quickly. It was good training. The stress level decreases by not trying to tailgate, so as to intimidate the slowpoke to move over. Just ease off a bit. There is nothing that will cure bad drivers. You need to just live with it.
The only sure fire solution it to drive at night. I tend to work lots of nights, so i'm used to it. The roads seem to be more clear sailing then.
Quote from: 1995hoo on January 22, 2018, 01:34:32 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on January 22, 2018, 01:22:21 PM
Quote from: froggie on January 22, 2018, 01:01:29 PM
^ Better to be the one who's the slowpoke than the one in the ditch...
+1
I've noted before that I don't like driving on high-speed routes like interstates when there's snowy weather. Many drivers don't slow down to an appropriate speed for conditions, especially tractor-trailers.
I'm not a huge fan of driving in snowy weather, period, both because of people who don't drive at appropriate speeds and because of people who refuse to use their headlights even when the snow is falling heavily.
The worst is driving in snowy weather with a ~20 mph crosswind in the dark. I think I was going 25-30 ish for about 30 miles on I-90 east of Rapid one winter...