From something that was mentioned in the "worst maintained Interstate" thread, I'm gonna start a new thread: the worst reconstruction/repaving projects performed by DOTs. By "worst", I mean over capacity not long after, miserably maintained/constructed, etc.
I'll start with one from Buffalo: NY 952T (Sweet Home Road) near the UB North Campus. Concrete got an overlay in Fall 2014, was full of potholes and WORSE than pre-overlay within 6 months. This is less than a year after the overlay (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9989898,-78.7987965,3a,75y,40.66h,66.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1ssmB0Rl_AmbWfxkrNiAr7ug!2e0!5s20150901T000000!7i13312!8i6656), note the patches.
Interstate 55 between Weber Road (Exit 263) and Interstate 80 (Exit 250). IDOT was dragged kicking and screaming into this widening project and did not want to do it, even though the traffic counts had warranted the widening for about 15 years. IDOT did as little as they could to "re-engineer" the freeway for six lanes (up from four lanes and a grassy median). IDOT added a concrete barrier and a very narrow left shoulder to install the third lane in each direction. In addition, the pavement (laid down in 2007-8) is already falling apart.
In a similar vein, a thread I started:
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=20283.msg2227232#msg2227232
You've better expressed what I had in mind, though, so I think this thread has more potential.
When I worked for TxDOT, they had us repave a 9-mile section of FM 2449 with a road grader instead of a lay-down machine. It was, as a co-worker stated, "rough as a corn cob". A year or two later, they had a contractor redo it the right way.
MDOT is widening an 18 mile stretch of I-75 between 8 Mile & South Boulevard in Oakland County. They started it in 2016 and it was originally planned to be completed by 2034. Yes... it was originally scheduled to take about 18 years to widen 18 miles. Using a different funding mechanism, MDOT is now accelerating the project and say it may be done by as early as 2020. To me it's crazy it was originally planned to take so long to complete.
Quote from: Brandon on January 29, 2018, 01:53:49 PM
Interstate 55 between Weber Road (Exit 263) and Interstate 80 (Exit 250). IDOT was dragged kicking and screaming into this widening project and did not want to do it, even though the traffic counts had warranted the widening for about 15 years. IDOT did as little as they could to "re-engineer" the freeway for six lanes (up from four lanes and a grassy median). IDOT added a concrete barrier and a very narrow left shoulder to install the third lane in each direction. In addition, the pavement (laid down in 2007-8) is already falling apart.
I drive it every day, and it's worse than Brandon makes it sound to be. Within two years of the widening, the pavement actually started sliding off the highway.
Quote from: inkyatari on January 29, 2018, 02:40:23 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 29, 2018, 01:53:49 PM
Interstate 55 between Weber Road (Exit 263) and Interstate 80 (Exit 250). IDOT was dragged kicking and screaming into this widening project and did not want to do it, even though the traffic counts had warranted the widening for about 15 years. IDOT did as little as they could to "re-engineer" the freeway for six lanes (up from four lanes and a grassy median). IDOT added a concrete barrier and a very narrow left shoulder to install the third lane in each direction. In addition, the pavement (laid down in 2007-8) is already falling apart.
I drive it every day, and it's worse than Brandon makes it sound to be. Within two years of the widening, the pavement actually started sliding off the highway.
Wow, I thought ODOT had a bad rep for repaving...
Speaking of long time to completion estimates, the I-44/I-235 interchange is going to be done in... the next 20 years. That is actually what ODOT said. I know Caltrans could do it in 4 years, and it would probably be better than what ODOT who'll end up doing...
Quote from: MCRoads on January 29, 2018, 02:52:39 PM
Quote from: inkyatari on January 29, 2018, 02:40:23 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 29, 2018, 01:53:49 PM
Interstate 55 between Weber Road (Exit 263) and Interstate 80 (Exit 250). IDOT was dragged kicking and screaming into this widening project and did not want to do it, even though the traffic counts had warranted the widening for about 15 years. IDOT did as little as they could to "re-engineer" the freeway for six lanes (up from four lanes and a grassy median). IDOT added a concrete barrier and a very narrow left shoulder to install the third lane in each direction. In addition, the pavement (laid down in 2007-8) is already falling apart.
I drive it every day, and it's worse than Brandon makes it sound to be. Within two years of the widening, the pavement actually started sliding off the highway.
Wow, I thought ODOT had a bad rep for repaving...
Speaking of long time to completion estimates, the I-44/I-235 interchange is going to be done in... the next 20 years. That is actually what ODOT said. I know Caltrans could do it in 4 years, and it would probably be better than what ODOT who'll end up doing...
Come and see how CONNDOT partially completes a resurfacing project and leave uneven pavement layers on the shoulders and off-ramps.
Another NYSDOT Region 5 blunder is the US 219 expressway extension. Thing opened in Fall 2010. By the time GSV went through the following summer, they already were doing patches (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4940259,-78.696926,3a,53.9y,193.33h,64.6t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sd3Zm2sRntx2KJRklb6aKbQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). NYSDOT has done a ton more patchwork since then. Road is 7 years old and they're already doing major crack sealing and large patches.
This will dictate my answer: Can the worst project be canceled or does it have to be one built?
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 29, 2018, 03:48:49 PM
This will dictate my answer: Can the worst project be canceled or does it have to be one built?
If it's cancelled, then it's fictional territory. Because we have no evidence if it was a success or not, it doesn't make sense to post about it here.
Up to the OP (obviously), but that's my two cents.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 29, 2018, 03:48:49 PM
This will dictate my answer: Can the worst project be canceled or does it have to be one built?
Must be built.
I'll nominate the portion of the US 40 rebuild in St. Louis between I-170 and Hampton. Westbound mainline gets horribly congested where the fourth through lane drops at Skinker, even outside of peak hours. The interchange at Hanley also needs to have more capacity.
Quote from: cl94 on January 29, 2018, 05:28:25 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 29, 2018, 03:48:49 PM
This will dictate my answer: Can the worst project be canceled or does it have to be one built?
Must be built.
What if it is proposed but very close to actual construction?
For Baltimore, it's gotta be hands down the (still) ongoing attempt to fill in all the potholes on the Hanover Street Bridge (MD 2). They've been working on that bridge for years and it's gotten no better. In fact they were working on it today squeezing northbound traffic into one lane.
Quote from: Beltway on January 29, 2018, 11:15:51 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 29, 2018, 05:28:25 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 29, 2018, 03:48:49 PM
This will dictate my answer: Can the worst project be canceled or does it have to be one built?
Must be built.
What if it is proposed but very close to actual construction?
How could it qualify as "worst [of]" if it never happened?
Quote from: jakeroot on January 30, 2018, 03:29:44 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 29, 2018, 11:15:51 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 29, 2018, 05:28:25 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 29, 2018, 03:48:49 PM
This will dictate my answer: Can the worst project be canceled or does it have to be one built?
Must be built.
What if it is proposed but very close to actual construction?
How could it qualify as "worst [of]" if it never happened?
<<< By "worst", I mean over capacity not long after, miserably maintained/constructed, etc. >>>
I guarantee that my example will be massively over capacity upon opening. It will also cost in the billions.
Quote from: Brandon on January 29, 2018, 01:53:49 PM
Interstate 55 between Weber Road (Exit 263) and Interstate 80 (Exit 250). IDOT was dragged kicking and screaming into this widening project and did not want to do it, even though the traffic counts had warranted the widening for about 15 years. IDOT did as little as they could to "re-engineer" the freeway for six lanes (up from four lanes and a grassy median). IDOT added a concrete barrier and a very narrow left shoulder to install the third lane in each direction. In addition, the pavement (laid down in 2007-8) is already falling apart.
Get ready for the Cumberland/Kennedy expansion to possibly take top prize if they don't resurface it once the major stuff is completed
Quote from: Beltway on January 30, 2018, 07:47:17 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 30, 2018, 03:29:44 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 29, 2018, 11:15:51 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 29, 2018, 05:28:25 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 29, 2018, 03:48:49 PM
This will dictate my answer: Can the worst project be canceled or does it have to be one built?
Must be built.
What if it is proposed but very close to actual construction?
How could it qualify as "worst [of]" if it never happened?
<<< By "worst", I mean over capacity not long after, miserably maintained/constructed, etc. >>>
I guarantee that my example will be massively over capacity upon opening. It will also cost in the billions.
Let me guess: the I-81 viaduct in Syracuse :pan:
Quoteit was originally scheduled to take about 18 years to widen 18 miles.
Design for the Randolph to Wellesley I-93/I-95 "Add a lane" project, construction of which is just being completed, began in 1974. Over 44 years to widen 22 miles.
Quote from: Beltway on January 30, 2018, 07:47:17 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 30, 2018, 03:29:44 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 29, 2018, 11:15:51 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 29, 2018, 05:28:25 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 29, 2018, 03:48:49 PM
This will dictate my answer: Can the worst project be canceled or does it have to be one built?
Must be built.
What if it is proposed but very close to actual construction?
How could it qualify as "worst [of]" if it never happened?
<<< By "worst", I mean over capacity not long after, miserably maintained/constructed, etc. >>>
I guarantee that my example will be massively over capacity upon opening. It will also cost in the billions.
In that case, then still no. In fact, there's some projects that are known there will still be congestion after the work is done, but the length and size of that congestion is reduced. Still, bridge decks are replaced, sight lines are improved, sound walls are built, lighting and signage is better, etc. It's not a 'worst' job...it's dealing with the constraints of the area.
Around 2004 or so, NYSDOT repaved two tire tracks in each direction on NY 77 between the Thruway and Darien Lake. It was the laziest repaving I've ever seen. I remember thinking "What about motorcycles?" when I saw it.
The intent of the topic was stuff that has been constructed and opened. Anything that never opened is off-topic and discussion of such belongs in Fictional Highways.
Quote from: Brian556 on January 29, 2018, 02:10:05 PM
When I worked for TxDOT, they had us repave a 9-mile section of FM 2449 with a road grader instead of a lay-down machine. It was, as a co-worker stated, "rough as a corn cob". A year or two later, they had a contractor redo it the right way.
North Texas half-ass chip seals are a special kind of bad.
Quote from: webny99 on January 30, 2018, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 30, 2018, 07:47:17 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 30, 2018, 03:29:44 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 29, 2018, 11:15:51 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 29, 2018, 05:28:25 PM
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on January 29, 2018, 03:48:49 PM
This will dictate my answer: Can the worst project be canceled or does it have to be one built?
Must be built.
What if it is proposed but very close to actual construction?
How could it qualify as "worst [of]" if it never happened?
<<< By "worst", I mean over capacity not long after, miserably maintained/constructed, etc. >>>
I guarantee that my example will be massively over capacity upon opening. It will also cost in the billions.
Let me guess: the I-81 viaduct in Syracuse :pan:
Not that one, it is not "very close to actual construction".
Quote from: cl94 on January 30, 2018, 09:39:44 AM
The intent of the topic was stuff that has been constructed and opened. Anything that never opened is off-topic and discussion of such belongs in Fictional Highways.
A widening project that is within a few months of contract award is not "fictional".
fiction
noun
1. the class of literature comprising works of imaginative narration, especially in prose form.
2. works of this class, as novels or short stories: detective fiction.
3. something feigned, invented, or imagined; a made-up story: We've all heard the fiction of her being in delicate health.
4. the act of feigning, inventing, or imagining.
5. an imaginary thing or event, postulated for the purposes of argument or explanation.
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Note the repeated use of "imagine", "imagined" and "imaginary".
There is nothing "imaginary" about this monster.
Quote from: Beltway on January 30, 2018, 10:44:09 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 30, 2018, 09:39:44 AM
The intent of the topic was stuff that has been constructed and opened. Anything that never opened is off-topic and discussion of such belongs in Fictional Highways.
A project that is within a few months of contract award is not "fictional".
But the
effects of it are very much "fictional" until the project is complete.
Quote from: Beltway on January 30, 2018, 10:44:09 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 30, 2018, 09:39:44 AM
The intent of the topic was stuff that has been constructed and opened. Anything that never opened is off-topic and discussion of such belongs in Fictional Highways.
A project that is within a few months of contract award is not "fictional".
And until the bid has been awarded, it might as well be fictional. Projects can and do change, get postponed, cancelled, etc.
Quote from: Revive 755 on January 29, 2018, 06:28:01 PM
I'll nominate the portion of the US 40 rebuild in St. Louis between I-170 and Hampton. Westbound mainline gets horribly congested where the fourth through lane drops at Skinker, even outside of peak hours. The interchange at Hanley also needs to have more capacity.
Agreed. Some problems it seems were made worse.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 30, 2018, 10:47:10 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 30, 2018, 10:44:09 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 30, 2018, 09:39:44 AM
The intent of the topic was stuff that has been constructed and opened. Anything that never opened is off-topic and discussion of such belongs in Fictional Highways.
A project that is within a few months of contract award is not "fictional".
And until the bid has been awarded, it might as well be fictional. Projects can and do change, get postponed, cancelled, etc.
STUFF THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND OPENED TO TRAFFIC.
I didn't think this was that hard of a concept.
Quote from: cl94 on January 30, 2018, 12:09:07 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 30, 2018, 10:47:10 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 30, 2018, 10:44:09 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 30, 2018, 09:39:44 AM
The intent of the topic was stuff that has been constructed and opened. Anything that never opened is off-topic and discussion of such belongs in Fictional Highways.
A project that is within a few months of contract award is not "fictional".
And until the bid has been awarded, it might as well be fictional. Projects can and do change, get postponed, cancelled, etc.
STUFF THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND OPENED TO TRAFFIC.
I didn't think this was that hard of a concept.
OK, I'll let people guess what highway widening project this is, I won't post it.
Hints: I have hammered it before. It is in my own state.
Oregon's best example I can think of is the 5 mile "Eddyville Bypass" on US-20 between Newport and Corvallis, which took from 2005 to 2016 and came in over $200M over budget.
Quote from: pdx-wanderer on January 30, 2018, 04:32:22 PM
Oregon's best example I can think of is the 5 mile "Eddyville Bypass" on US-20 between Newport and Corvallis, which took from 2005 to 2016 and came in over $200M over budget.
Yeah and to think that was only phase 1 (just rumors, don't know if it is true)
If it had to be widening: OR 217 between OR 8 and US 26, helps a little but the main problem is the closely spaced exits (1/4 mile between 2A and 1).
Quote from: Beltway on January 30, 2018, 03:48:16 PM
Quote from: cl94 on January 30, 2018, 12:09:07 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 30, 2018, 10:47:10 AM
Quote from: Beltway on January 30, 2018, 10:44:09 AM
Quote from: cl94 on January 30, 2018, 09:39:44 AM
The intent of the topic was stuff that has been constructed and opened. Anything that never opened is off-topic and discussion of such belongs in Fictional Highways.
A project that is within a few months of contract award is not "fictional".
And until the bid has been awarded, it might as well be fictional. Projects can and do change, get postponed, cancelled, etc.
STUFF THAT HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND OPENED TO TRAFFIC.
I didn't think this was that hard of a concept.
OK, I'll let people guess what highway widening project this is, I won't post it.
Hints: I have hammered it before. It is in my own state.
Why would we give a shit what project you're talking about that doesn't meet the criteria the OP set for the question?