Here's another dialect question: Can you think of any instances where a person speaks without any noticeable accent, except for that one word that will always give them away?
Down here close to NYC, that word is always "forward". I will hear people talk all the time, without any noticeable regional accent whatsoever, until suddenly they'll come out with "fo'ward", and I instantly know they're from somewhere near the city (typically New Jersey or Long Island or another suburban area; natives of the five boroughs seem to retain the full-fledge accent, I find).
Where else does this occur? Just a single word, mind you–not just New Englanders dropping all R's, or Midwesterners broadening all A's, etc.
"Woarsh" (as in laundry) is a pretty clear shibboleth even for an otherwise neutral-sounding midwestern accent.
I remember being indignant to hear the Iowa side of our family saying that we New England kids had an accent but in hindsight they were right -- both sides did.
In Boston, it would, undoubtedly, be SAWX! I'll take the BRAWNKS, thank you!
Quote from: kurumi on February 08, 2018, 09:02:34 PM
"Woarsh" (as in laundry) is a pretty clear shibboleth even for an otherwise neutral-sounding midwestern accent.
I remember being indignant to hear the Iowa side of our family saying that we New England kids had an accent but in hindsight they were right -- both sides did.
Everyone has an accent
Z981
My mom is from North Florida. She was a professional ballet dancer for a time, was with San Francisco Ballet back in the 1960s, ballet dancers DO NOT have Southern accents! So she lost her accent
She married my dad moved to his hometown on the Jersey Shore where I grew up. The word that gave her away was UM-brella.. and another was not really accent but rather usage... Buggy for shopping cart, which I use as well.
Y'all is a give away for a southerner.. easy to pick up because it fills a need in most dialects
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Lots of folks say "torlet."
Is there anyone who thinks 'egg' doesn't rhyme with 'plague'? To me, they rhyme, but all the later dictionaries disagree.
Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
Is there anyone who thinks 'egg' doesn't rhyme with 'plague'? To me, they rhyme, but all the later dictionaries disagree.
They don't rhyme. The "a" in "plague" makes an "ay" sound, while the "e" in "egg" doesn't.
Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
Is there anyone who thinks 'egg' doesn't rhyme with 'plague'? To me, they rhyme, but all the later dictionaries disagree.
No, but I rhyme "bag" and "plague". The sound I use seems to be somewhere between a long "a" [IPA: e(i)] and a short "a" [IPA: æ] with a nasally sound.
Also, the e in "egg" sounds a bit different from the e in "Ed" for me.
My father grew up in Brooklyn. You wouldn't know it from talking to him (in fairness, he hasn't lived there since 1969), but when you hear him pronounce a word that starts with an "h," you immediately know he's from somewhere in New York City–words like "huge," "Houston" (the city, not the street), or "human," all of them the sort where the "h" is felt but not really heard. (Yes, this is all similar to the way the President pronounces "huge" –so, phonetically, it's like "yuge," "Youston," or "yuman." )
Regarding the other issue, "egg" doesn't sound anything remotely like "plague."
Quote from: 1 on February 08, 2018, 09:40:50 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
Is there anyone who thinks 'egg' doesn't rhyme with 'plague'? To me, they rhyme, but all the later dictionaries disagree.
They don't rhyme. The "a" in "plague" makes an "ay" sound, while the "e" in "egg" doesn't.
If you're from the south, the e in egg does indeed make that sound. It's not "ehgg", it's "aigg". ;-)
Another thing is, if you say "ahss", southerners will thing you're saying "ice", but East coasters will think you're saying "ass". :-D
Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
Is there anyone who thinks 'egg' doesn't rhyme with 'plague'? To me, they rhyme, but all the later dictionaries disagree.
The words rhyme with some southerners. I have heard it, but they don't rhyme with me.
Quote from: webny99 on February 08, 2018, 10:27:42 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 08, 2018, 09:40:50 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
Is there anyone who thinks 'egg' doesn't rhyme with 'plague'? To me, they rhyme, but all the later dictionaries disagree.
They don't rhyme. The "a" in "plague" makes an "ay" sound, while the "e" in "egg" doesn't.
If you're from the south, the e in egg does indeed make that sound. It's not "ehgg", it's "aigg". ;-)
Another thing is, if you say "ahss", southerners will thing you're saying "ice", but East coasters will think you're saying "ass". :-D
My uncle always told me you pronounced "ass" by saying "ayss" (really long "ay" sound).
Quote from: webny99 on February 08, 2018, 10:27:42 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 08, 2018, 09:40:50 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
Is there anyone who thinks 'egg' doesn't rhyme with 'plague'? To me, they rhyme, but all the later dictionaries disagree.
They don't rhyme. The "a" in "plague" makes an "ay" sound, while the "e" in "egg" doesn't.
If you're from the south, the e in egg does indeed make that sound. It's not "ehgg", it's "aigg". ;-)
Another thing is, if you say "ahss", southerners will thing you're saying "ice", but East coasters will think you're saying "ass". :-D
And in Inland North, it sounds more like "us" .
I've only ever heard "radiator" pronounced with the first A sounding like "radical" from people from Delaware and eastern PA.
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Another thing is, if you say "ahss", southerners will thing you're saying "ice", but East coasters will think you're saying "ass". :-D
My uncle always told me you pronounced "ass" by saying "ayss" (really long "ay" sound).
From the south, no doubt? ;-)
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And in Inland North, it sounds more like "us" .
I try to say "us" with that pronunciation and it sounds bad enough that I want to gag :-D
I totally know people that do it, though.
I remember Mister Rogers pronouncing "lever" as "leever." Is that a Pittsburgh thing?
Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
I remember Mister Rogers pronouncing "lever" as "leever." Is that a Pittsburgh thing?
More of a British thing, although some Canadians (usually from Ontario east) also use that pronunciation.
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Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 11:28:13 PM
I remember Mister Rogers pronouncing "lever" as "leever." Is that a Pittsburgh thing?
More of a British thing, although some Canadians (usually from Ontario east) also use that pronunciation.
The other common Canadian thing I'm familiar with is pronouncing "tomorrow" as "to-more-ow" and "sorry" as "sore-y" .
Quote from: webny99 on February 08, 2018, 10:53:12 PM
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Another thing is, if you say "ahss", southerners will thing you're saying "ice", but East coasters will think you're saying "ass". :-D
My uncle always told me you pronounced "ass" by saying "ayss" (really long "ay" sound).
From the south, no doubt? ;-)
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And in Inland North, it sounds more like "us" .
I try to say "us" with that pronunciation and it sounds bad enough that I want to gag :-D
I totally know people that do it, though.
Northern Cities Vowel Shift (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Cities_Vowel_Shift).
The short vowels are shifted a bit.
a = "ya" or "e-a", as in cat sounding like "kyat" and map sounding like "me-ap".
e = "eh", as in bet sounding like "beht".
i = "ih", as in bit sounding like "biht".
o = "ah", as in cot sounding like "cat" to others.
u = "o" or "ah" type sound, as in bus sounding like "boss" to others.
For me, cot and caught sound totally different.
My mother in law is originally from Toronto, but you wouldn't know it unless she says "about" ("aboot",) or "mom" (mum.)
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 08, 2018, 10:23:49 PM
My father grew up in Brooklyn. You wouldn't know it from talking to him (in fairness, he hasn't lived there since 1969), but when you hear him pronounce a word that starts with an "h," you immediately know he's from somewhere in New York City–words like "huge," "Houston" (the city, not the street), or "human," all of them the sort where the "h" is felt but not really heard. (Yes, this is all similar to the way the President pronounces "huge" –so, phonetically, it's like "yuge," "Youston," or "yuman." )
Regarding the other issue, "egg" doesn't sound anything remotely like "plague."
I do that too.. growing up in NJ I got the "yuge". One of my friends likes to point it out when ever I say it
Z981
Quote from: inkyatari on February 09, 2018, 09:33:01 AM
My mother in law is originally from Toronto, but you wouldn't know it unless she says "about" ("aboot",) or "mom" (mum.)
Or "project." First time meeting with Ontarians I had to stifle giggles at the way they said it.
^ I think Alex Trebek can "pass" until a contestant gives an incorrect answer and he says "soo-ree" or he gives a contestant's winning total in "doo-lars" .
Quote from: Rothman on February 09, 2018, 09:48:32 AM
Quote from: inkyatari on February 09, 2018, 09:33:01 AM
My mother in law is originally from Toronto, but you wouldn't know it unless she says "about" ("aboot",) or "mom" (mum.)
Or "project." First time meeting with Ontarians I had to stifle giggles at the way they said it.
Like on "South Park" .. Blame Canada!
Z981
Bugs Bunny used to say "leever."
For anyone who grew up in/near Philly, it's "wuh-der" for "water" and "dooring" for "during."
Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
Is there anyone who thinks 'egg' doesn't rhyme with 'plague'? To me, they rhyme, but all the later dictionaries disagree.
Yes - they rhyme completely. I also come from a family of Buckeyes though, so maybe it's a southern Ohio thing.
In L.A. (and probablly other areas with large Hispanic populations) the TV reporters have a very general nondescript US accent when they speak in English. But when they close their report by saying "This is Laura RODRIGUEZ reporting for Fox 11 News." the Hispanic accent comes out very clearly.
Incidentally, I also pronounce plague and egg as the same and I have no southern roots to speak of.
Another couple for Philly, Philly, the letter P is pronounced like "pay" rather than "pea". And words like "carry" and "harry" have more of an nasaly "air" sound for the a then an "err" sound. For the CT valley, the two thing that we're known for is for softening the "T" that comes between two vowels, and emphasizing the second word in any city or town that has a "new" before it. Any one that calls it "NEWhaven" instead of "NewHAven" is certainly not a local. And a word like "titan" is pronounced more like "tighten"
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Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
Is there anyone who thinks 'egg' doesn't rhyme with 'plague'? To me, they rhyme, but all the later dictionaries disagree.
Yes - they rhyme completely. I also come from a family of Buckeyes though, so maybe it's a southern Ohio thing.
Southern Ohio has its own distinct accent, that I dare say is like the Deep South accent gone bad :-D
Several of the people I know who say "aigg" and "yee-a-uh" for "yeah" are from Columbus.
Quote from: mrsman on February 09, 2018, 11:47:03 AM
I also pronounce plague and egg as the same and I have no southern roots to speak of.
Perhaps you say "plegg" though.
Quote from: kurumi on February 08, 2018, 09:02:34 PM
"Woarsh" (as in laundry) is a pretty clear shibboleth even for an otherwise neutral-sounding midwestern accent.
Ah yes, I've heard that one too, such as from a bus driver I knew who was from Nebraska, I believe.
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on February 08, 2018, 09:04:28 PM
In Boston, it would, undoubtedly, be SAWX! I'll take the BRAWNKS, thank you!
You mean, there are people who say "sawx" for "Sox" but not, say, "rawks" for "rocks"? Usually when people make that shift, they do it across the board.
Quote from: Brandon on February 09, 2018, 05:43:46 AM
Northern Cities Vowel Shift (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Cities_Vowel_Shift).
The short vowels are shifted a bit.
a = "ya" or "e-a", as in cat sounding like "kyat" and map sounding like "me-ap".
e = "eh", as in bet sounding like "beht".
i = "ih", as in bit sounding like "biht".
o = "ah", as in cot sounding like "cat" to others.
u = "o" or "ah" type sound, as in bus sounding like "boss" to others.
For me, cot and caught sound totally different.
Right, so that's an overall characteristic that you might hear in certain regional accents. Can you think of any example where somebody exhibits the vowel shift only on one word? That's what we're looking for here.
Quote from: mrsman on February 09, 2018, 11:47:03 AM
In L.A. (and probablly other areas with large Hispanic populations) the TV reporters have a very general nondescript US accent when they speak in English. But when they close their report by saying "This is Laura RODRIGUEZ reporting for Fox 11 News." the Hispanic accent comes out very clearly.
Oh yeah, I've noticed that for sure. But the same reporter will not typically do the same with a French or Chinese surname. What are the rules about when you adopt one regional accent in the midst of another?
Quote from: empirestate on February 09, 2018, 01:30:06 PM
Quote from: Brandon on February 09, 2018, 05:43:46 AM
Northern Cities Vowel Shift (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Cities_Vowel_Shift).
The short vowels are shifted a bit.
a = "ya" or "e-a", as in cat sounding like "kyat" and map sounding like "me-ap".
e = "eh", as in bet sounding like "beht".
i = "ih", as in bit sounding like "biht".
o = "ah", as in cot sounding like "cat" to others.
u = "o" or "ah" type sound, as in bus sounding like "boss" to others.
For me, cot and caught sound totally different.
Right, so that's an overall characteristic that you might hear in certain regional accents. Can you think of any example where somebody exhibits the vowel shift only on one word? That's what we're looking for here.
He wasn't intending this as a response to the OP. This was a response to something that I raised ("ass" and "ice") which was indeed an answer to the original question.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 09, 2018, 12:09:58 PMAnd a word like "titan" is pronounced more like "tighten"
I thought 'titan' and 'tighten' were identical everywhere.
Quote from: mrsman on February 09, 2018, 11:47:03 AM
In L.A. (and probablly other areas with large Hispanic populations) the TV reporters have a very general nondescript US accent when they speak in English. But when they close their report by saying "This is Laura RODRIGUEZ reporting for Fox 11 News." the Hispanic accent comes out very clearly.
....
Definitely happens here too. Not just on the reporters' own names–if a person or place noted in the story has an Hispanic name, the reporters generally accent that (one example–a reporter on our NBC affiliate says a certain country's name like "El Sal-ba-DOR" even if every other word besides her last name is unaccented).
Quote from: mrsman on February 09, 2018, 11:47:03 AM
In L.A. (and probablly other areas with large Hispanic populations) the TV reporters have a very general nondescript US accent when they speak in English. But when they close their report by saying "This is Laura RODRIGUEZ reporting for Fox 11 News." the Hispanic accent comes out very clearly.
Incidentally, I also pronounce plague and egg as the same and I have no southern roots to speak of.
That annoys me. It even worse when it's an Anglo reporter trilling up all the r's.. I speak Spanish and have a pretty good accent in Spanish..people don't think I am from the US if I don't talk long.. I am also learning Portuguese. I am not one of those speak 'Merican types, I enjoy learning new languages hearing different dialects spoken. My last name is German, but no reporter would ever say my last name Wolf.. as Volf as a German speaker would pronounce it
Speak English when speaking English..speak Spanish when speaking Spanish. Saying a name or word in English does not negate your Latino heritage, or make you culturally insensitive. I know a Brazilan guy named Jose ( Portuguese pronounces J like English) get corrected by some culturally sensitive white girl when he gave his name for order at a restaurant .. " isn't it 'ho-say'".. SMH
Some countries' like Nicaragua seem to always get Spanish treatment all the time.. but other countries like Argentina rarely do.. it's interesting
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I grew up in Northeastern Pennsylvania and don't have a notable accent, but I say service PLAW-za. My friends from the Midwest and western Pennsylvania say service PLAH-za. They're weird. :spin:
Quote from: Jordanes on February 09, 2018, 06:36:19 PM
I grew up in Northeastern Pennsylvania and don't have a notable accent, but I say service PLAW-za. My friends from the Midwest and western Pennsylvania say service PLAH-za. They're weird. :spin:
I say PLAH-za, even though I live in Massachusetts. You would think the two regions would be reversed.
Quote from: 1 on February 09, 2018, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: Jordanes on February 09, 2018, 06:36:19 PM
I grew up in Northeastern Pennsylvania and don't have a notable accent, but I say service PLAW-za. My friends from the Midwest and western Pennsylvania say service PLAH-za. They're weird. :spin:
I say PLAH-za, even though I live in Massachusetts. You would think the two regions would be reversed.
I think PLAW-za is because of the NYC influence in my part of Pennsylvania -- it's only about 120 miles away. As for how you say it, you folks up there pronounce "Haverhill" as "HAAV-rl", so you're weird too. ;-)
Quote from: mrsman on February 09, 2018, 11:47:03 AM
In L.A. (and probablly other areas with large Hispanic populations) the TV reporters have a very general nondescript US accent when they speak in English. But when they close their report by saying "This is Laura RODRIGUEZ reporting for Fox 11 News." the Hispanic accent comes out very clearly.
That's been a thing for decades, they used to lampoon it on Married...with Children.
Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
Is there anyone who thinks 'egg' doesn't rhyme with 'plague'? To me, they rhyme, but all the later dictionaries disagree.
What gets me is people in the far upper Midwest who thing "flag" and "bag" rhyme with "plague."
While the D.C area may not have much of a distinct accent, the Baltimore area definitely does. Wooder(Water) immediately comes to mind.
"Rah-ch-ster" and "Bald-i-moor" are two cities in which the locals have a very specific and unique pronunciation of their hometown.
Everybody says Rochesterians have a nasal accent, but I refuse to believe it :-P
Quote from: webny99 on February 13, 2018, 08:48:54 PM
"Rah-ch-ster" and "Bald-i-moor" are two cities in which the locals have a very specific and unique pronunciation of their hometown.
Everybody says Rochesterians have a nasal accent, but I refuse to believe it :-P
You can add Norfolk, Virginia to that list as locals there will tell you its pronounced Nor-f'k. Naw-f'k as I originally thought, is apparently incorrect.
I've always said "Nor-foke".
People from outside Rochester tend to put the emphasis on the "o". It's "Rah-chester", not "Row-chester" :-P
Quote from: paulthemapguy on February 13, 2018, 06:48:19 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
Is there anyone who thinks 'egg' doesn't rhyme with 'plague'? To me, they rhyme, but all the later dictionaries disagree.
What gets me is people in the far upper Midwest who thing "flag" and "bag" rhyme with "plague."
What if I think you're weird for
not rhyming them? :-P
Quote from: 7/8 on February 13, 2018, 10:58:23 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on February 13, 2018, 06:48:19 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
Is there anyone who thinks 'egg' doesn't rhyme with 'plague'? To me, they rhyme, but all the later dictionaries disagree.
What gets me is people in the far upper Midwest who thing "flag" and "bag" rhyme with "plague."
What if I think you're weird for not rhyming them? :-P
I know, right? I can't
not rhyme them. I don't even think it's possible.
A few weeks ago my wife and I were at the grocery store picking up a few odds and ends.My wife goes to this store all the time, and she sees this lady almost every time she shops there so they were having a conversation while she was ringing up our items.
I don't usually go grocery shopping with my wife, and I hadn't seen this lady, who is in her late 20's-early 30's before. She had no real discernible accent, which led me to believe she "wasn't from around here".
While the cashier was ringing up our purchase the milk wouldn't scan for some reason. The cashier turned to her coworker at the next register and asked her how much the gallon of "melk" cost. After she punched it in I asked her what town in Michigan was she from. She looked at me wide eyed and asked how I knew and I replied that melk gave it away. She told me that she grew up in a little town that I never would have heard of outside of Grand Rapids named Grandville. I replied howdy neighbor, I lived in Jenison (right next door) until I was 9 years old. Small world, I tell ya'.
Quote from: Jordanes on February 09, 2018, 07:48:17 PM
Quote from: 1 on February 09, 2018, 06:40:56 PM
Quote from: Jordanes on February 09, 2018, 06:36:19 PM
I grew up in Northeastern Pennsylvania and don't have a notable accent, but I say service PLAW-za. My friends from the Midwest and western Pennsylvania say service PLAH-za. They're weird. :spin:
I say PLAH-za, even though I live in Massachusetts. You would think the two regions would be reversed.
I think PLAW-za is because of the NYC influence in my part of Pennsylvania -- it's only about 120 miles away. As for how you say it, you folks up there pronounce "Haverhill" as "HAAV-rl", so you're weird too. ;-)
And southeast of Haverhill, you have Peabody, which is pronounced PEA-buh-dee. And south of Boston, you have Quincy, which is pronounce QUINN-zee. But don't your dare call Worcester Worchester, or pronounce Leominster with the first syllable sounding like the astrological sign: it's LEMON-ster.
Quote from: webny99 on February 13, 2018, 11:02:09 PM
Quote from: 7/8 on February 13, 2018, 10:58:23 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on February 13, 2018, 06:48:19 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on February 08, 2018, 09:38:21 PM
Is there anyone who thinks 'egg' doesn't rhyme with 'plague'? To me, they rhyme, but all the later dictionaries disagree.
What gets me is people in the far upper Midwest who thing "flag" and "bag" rhyme with "plague."
What if I think you're weird for not rhyming them? :-P
I know, right? I can't not rhyme them. I don't even think it's possible.
Ah, I think I see the issue! We're talking about "plague", with a G, not "plaque", with a Q. :)
(And "egg" doesn't rhyme with "plague", either; "egg", "bag", and "plague" have three distinct vowel sounds, at least to me.)
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 14, 2018, 01:30:39 AMpronounce Leominster with the first syllable sounding like the astrological sign: it's LEMON-ster.
Why did you New Englanders put an extra syllable in what, in proper England, is Lem-ster? :-D
Quote from: webny99 on February 13, 2018, 11:02:09 PMI know, right? I can't not rhyme them. I don't even think it's possible.
I can't see how you can rhyme them (plag? flague?) as the vowels are rather different. Which way does the vowel collapse go?
Ditto egg-flag rhyming - is it 'agg' or 'beg'?
The three vowels are totally different to me.
Quote from: english si on February 14, 2018, 02:26:41 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 13, 2018, 11:02:09 PMI know, right? I can't not rhyme them. I don't even think it's possible.
I can't see how you can rhyme them (plag? flague?) as the vowels are rather different. Which way does the vowel collapse go?
Ditto egg-flag rhyming - is it 'agg' or 'beg'?
The three vowels are totally different to me.
The flag-plague vowel sounds closer to bay than back for me. I don't rhyme egg and flag, though they sound
similar (the e in egg is different than in Ed for me).
Quote from: english si on February 14, 2018, 02:26:41 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 14, 2018, 01:30:39 AMpronounce Leominster with the first syllable sounding like the astrological sign: it's LEMON-ster.
Why did you New Englanders put an extra syllable in what, in proper England, is Lem-ster? :-D
It's the only city/town name I know of where UK pronunciation, US pronunciation, and naïve phonetic pronunciation are all different.
For example, Worcester MA is pronounced like it is in the UK, while Warwick RI is phonetic.
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Quote from: english si on February 14, 2018, 02:26:41 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 14, 2018, 01:30:39 AMpronounce Leominster with the first syllable sounding like the astrological sign: it's LEMON-ster.
Why did you New Englanders put an extra syllable in what, in proper England, is Lem-ster? :-D
It's the only city/town name I know of where UK pronunciation, US pronunciation, and naïve phonetic pronunciation are all different.
For example, Worcester MA is pronounced like it is in the UK, while Warwick RI is phonetic.
There's also Durham, NC and Birmingham, AL; the former is pronounced as it is in the UK and the latter is phonetic.
Then there's places like Hartford, CT, which is likely named for Hertford in England, but they spelled it "Hartford" to retain the UK pronunciation by Americans using the phonetic pronunciation.
Then we have Charlotte, Michigan, pronounced "sure-LOT" .
Only one I can think of is Shabbona IL. Pronounced Shab-ba-na in the area, but Sha-bo-na to anyone outside of the county
So...have we run out of examples of the original topic then? ;-)
Quote from: ET21 on February 15, 2018, 08:50:24 AM
Only one I can think of is Shabbona IL. Pronounced Shab-ba-na in the area, but Sha-bo-na to anyone outside of the county
In my town, we have the grave of Chief Shabbona, and our middle school is named after him, and we pronounce it the same way.
I suppose on the subject of local pronunciation of place names, that could be an example of a one-word giveaway that someone is not from a particular area. For example, I might be hanging around south-central PA with a group of people, and then one of them will come out and pronounce it as "LAN-caster". :D
(And yes, I've actually heard it that way a number of times from people who claim to be from there!)
Quote from: empirestate on February 15, 2018, 03:27:19 PM
I suppose on the subject of local pronunciation of place names, that could be an example of a one-word giveaway that someone is not from a particular area. For example, I might be hanging around south-central PA with a group of people, and then one of them will come out and pronounce it as "LAN-caster". :D
(And yes, I've actually heard it that way a number of times from people who claim to be from there!)
Maybe they're from Wisconsin? The small city in Wisconsin named Lancaster IS pronounced LAN-cas-ter.
Quote from: empirestate on February 15, 2018, 01:56:47 PM
So...have we run out of examples of the original topic then? ;-)
Everything else I can think of is not specific to a certain word, but rather certain vowel sounds in general.
For example, the "ahh" sound made by people from Western Canada when they say words such as "stand".
Does anyone else say "meeting" as "meed-een"?
Many, if not a majority of, people I know says their "ing's" this way. I think it sounds ugly and make a conscious effort to avoid doing so.
Quote from: webny99 on February 17, 2018, 12:27:27 PM
Does anyone else say "meeting" as "meed-een"?
Many, if not a majority of, people I know says their "ing's" this way. I think it sounds ugly and make a conscious effort to avoid doing so.
No; while I may drop the "g" on an "-ing," if I do it sounds like the word "in" (short "i" sound), not a long "e" sound as in "queen."
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 14, 2018, 05:59:22 PM
Then there's places like Hartford, CT, which is likely named for Hertford in England, but they spelled it "Hartford" to retain the UK pronunciation by Americans using the phonetic pronunciation.
And then there's Harford County, MD that drops the "T"
Quote from: empirestate on February 15, 2018, 03:27:19 PM
I suppose on the subject of local pronunciation of place names, that could be an example of a one-word giveaway that someone is not from a particular area. For example, I might be hanging around south-central PA with a group of people, and then one of them will come out and pronounce it as "LAN-caster". :D
(And yes, I've actually heard it that way a number of times from people who claim to be from there!)
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Yeah, I always here it pronounced as LANEkster when I'm in the area.
Quote from: webny99 on February 17, 2018, 12:27:27 PM
Does anyone else say "meeting" as "meed-een"?
Many, if not a majority of, people I know says their "ing's" this way. I think it sounds ugly and make a conscious effort to avoid doing so.
I don't, but I've heard it often. Of course, we're from Rochester, where all the kids are named Eeandy and Eealex and Meeatt, and they play with rubber beeands, and their dads work at Kodeeak, and their dad's names are Bahb and Rahger and Dahn. Or maybe the work for Xeerahx, or Bausch & Lahmb, and they like to eat white hahts and drink pahp. :-D
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on February 17, 2018, 02:33:59 PM
Quote from: empirestate on February 15, 2018, 03:27:19 PM
I suppose on the subject of local pronunciation of place names, that could be an example of a one-word giveaway that someone is not from a particular area. For example, I might be hanging around south-central PA with a group of people, and then one of them will come out and pronounce it as "LAN-caster". :D
(And yes, I've actually heard it that way a number of times from people who claim to be from there!)
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Yeah, I always here it pronounced as LANEkster when I'm in the area.
Right; should rhyme with "prankster", in other words.
Quote from: empirestate on February 17, 2018, 04:37:44 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 17, 2018, 12:27:27 PM
Does anyone else say "meeting" as "meed-een"?
Many, if not a majority of, people I know says their "ing's" this way. I think it sounds ugly and make a conscious effort to avoid doing so.
I don't, but I've heard it often. Of course, we're from Rochester, where all the kids are named Eeandy and Eealex and Meeatt, and they play with rubber beeands, and their dads work at Kodeeak, and their dad's names are Bahb and Rahger and Dahn. Or maybe the work for Xeerahx, or Bausch & Lahmb, and they like to eat white hahts and drink pahp. :-D
You're from Rah-chster? Thats awesome, not sure how I never knew that!
I personally think the accent, while definitely existent, is a bit overhyped. Many people I know have at least one parent born elsewhere, so perhaps that plays into in to an extent as well. I certainly don't think the accent is any stronger here than it is, say, in Buffalo.
But yeah, that little blurb made my evening :rofl:
Quote from: webny99 on February 17, 2018, 07:50:34 PM
Quote from: empirestate on February 17, 2018, 04:37:44 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 17, 2018, 12:27:27 PM
Does anyone else say "meeting" as "meed-een"?
Many, if not a majority of, people I know says their "ing's" this way. I think it sounds ugly and make a conscious effort to avoid doing so.
I don't, but I've heard it often. Of course, we're from Rochester, where all the kids are named Eeandy and Eealex and Meeatt, and they play with rubber beeands, and their dads work at Kodeeak, and their dad's names are Bahb and Rahger and Dahn. Or maybe the work for Xeerahx, or Bausch & Lahmb, and they like to eat white hahts and drink pahp. :-D
You're from Rah-chster? Thats awesome, not sure how I never knew that!
I personally think the accent, while definitely existent, is a bit overhyped. Many people I know have at least one parent born elsewhere, so perhaps that plays into in to an extent as well. I certainly don't think the accent is any stronger here than it is, say, in Buffalo.
But yeah, that little blurb made my evening :rofl:
It's probably much stronger in The Mitten. You also hear it in northern Illinois and southern Wisconsin.
For a Michigan version, it's "I'm takin' the pahp bahttles to tha peearty store over on tha service drive for the depahsit."
http://www.michigannative.com/ma_home.shtml
The entire accent, from Rochester to Dubuque, is Inland North (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inland_Northern_American_English), just south and east of North Central (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North-Central_American_English). So, you want a beg with thet?
Thats funny, because I notice the Michigan accent. I can pick up on it fairly quickly, and I actually kind of like it!
Obviously, I don't notice the accent much here in Rah-chester. But subjectivity aside, I tend to agree that it's stronger in Michigan than it is here.
"Pahp" is obviously a pretty common one that spans the whole region :D
Quote from: webny99 on February 17, 2018, 07:50:34 PM
You're from Rah-chster? Thats awesome, not sure how I never knew that!
I personally think the accent, while definitely existent, is a bit overhyped. Many people I know have at least one parent born elsewhere, so perhaps that plays into in to an extent as well. I certainly don't think the accent is any stronger here than it is, say, in Buffalo.
But yeah, that little blurb made my evening :rofl:
Oh yes...not born, but bred. And while the accent certainly isn't unique to the city, you hear it plenty from old-timers. (One reliable to way to hear any area's accent was weather radio–back when it still had human announcers.)