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Title: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: cjk374 on February 18, 2018, 10:18:33 AM
Ruston, LA has 2 examples of streets being a part of parking lots. Pine Ave. was always a street, then the new Albertsons grocery store was built (it is now the Lincoln Parish library). They built the parking lot and enveloped the street. This caused Pine Ave. to be rebuilt with a 4-way stop in a double 90° curve.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5388579,-92.6382221,0a,75y/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sZ5gkxz6xAFhX-7I7s-KQZQ!2e0

The other example is Eagle Dr. In this example, the Wal-Mart supercenter was built first. Many years later the service roads were expanded (on the Southside of the interstate), then made into one-way service roads, then the land behind Wal-Mart was developed with Lowes, Celebrity Movie Theaters, & Centric Credit Union moving in. With all of that development, Eagle Dr. was born....and was born with a 4-way intersection equipped with a poorly-signed 3-way stop.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5428111,-92.6254181,0a,75y/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sF-MrsRAXgDjPFiTfhihJYg!2e0

Where else are streets and parking lots blended together?
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: Brandon on February 18, 2018, 11:42:10 AM
This is rather common in Houghton and Hancock, Michigan due to the extreme amounts of snowfall during the season.  Many lots simply lack any noticeable edge at the street and even have spaces that back onto the street.

Here's a few examples
Curbing has been added, but's fairly flat: https://goo.gl/maps/vef2W5TrBnu  It originally used to just blend completely in.
It's a street, it's parking, but connected and separated at once: https://goo.gl/maps/XjSFgsb7fCr
Where does the street end (it's public ROW) and the parking lot begin: https://goo.gl/maps/wez1xCAxvPt
Public street with on street parking and a blended parking lot: https://goo.gl/maps/xwgnP34jQHG2
Covered parking and street: https://goo.gl/maps/RGn4K6Jp5My
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: webny99 on February 19, 2018, 09:47:29 AM
Would something like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1131586,-77.4860471,3a,75y,52.47h,74.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBva4CeO0iiLV9g1eCSjEnQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) count?

The amount of examples I can come up with depends on how streets/roads are being defined. If it has to be named and signed, probably not very many. If being used by non-parking traffic is the only criteria, I could link to quite a boatload.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: hotdogPi on February 19, 2018, 01:10:34 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 19, 2018, 09:47:29 AM
Would something like this (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.1131586,-77.4860471,3a,75y,52.47h,74.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sBva4CeO0iiLV9g1eCSjEnQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) count?

The amount of examples I can come up with depends on how streets/roads are being defined. If it has to be named and signed, probably not very many. If being used by non-parking traffic is the only criteria, I could link to quite a boatload.

That's just on-street parking, not a parking lot.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: jp the roadgeek on February 19, 2018, 01:22:01 PM
Loomis St. in Manchester, CT is quite an interesting street.  Splits into several sections with woods in the middle.  This section starts just behind this view, then continues through this lot and leaves just to the left of the little grey building in the distance.  My friend's office is a building to the left (if it were taken sometime from February to April, there's a chance my car might have been in the shot).

https://goo.gl/maps/moFvA4pZ4w52
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: Rothman on February 19, 2018, 02:25:12 PM
There are the streets near the Captiol in DC that have parking strips in the middle of them.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on February 19, 2018, 02:50:57 PM
In before the (former) Eastern terminus of I-70.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: theroadwayone on February 19, 2018, 05:34:57 PM
There's also the dangling end of Otay Mesa Road west of Caliente Avenue that used to go to CA 905 before the new freeway alignment was built.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5685903,-117.016204,268m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en&authuser=0
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: Buck87 on February 19, 2018, 06:44:38 PM
Oakwood Dr in Tiffin, Ohio is a residential street that has a section that goes right through a shopping center parking lot:

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.1128552,-83.2066315,3a,75y,137.73h,93.26t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8Y4Xc5unpLFv3nWAH8ya6A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: 7/8 on February 20, 2018, 11:03:06 AM
Harvey St in Tillsonburg, ON goes through the parking lot of Tillsonburg Town Centre (Mall)

https://goo.gl/maps/MDheEVdGUwF2 (https://goo.gl/maps/MDheEVdGUwF2)
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: vdeane on February 20, 2018, 12:58:09 PM
According to the inventory, these are public roads (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7189065,-73.8089456,3a,75y,113.07h,77.2t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s54TTBNNrh6O59ILDVfbXvg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D54TTBNNrh6O59ILDVfbXvg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D325.9163%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en).
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: mgk920 on February 20, 2018, 06:28:28 PM
Here in Appleton, WI, even though it looks like a part of the back parking lot of the Outagamie County Justice Center (AKA, the jail-court building), the east end of Seventh St is at the Jones Park park entrance by the light pole in the image https://goo.gl/maps/wPAj5eWwF8x  It is a fully public Appleton city street up to that point.

Note, since that image was shot in September of 2016, if you pan about 150 degrees to the left to look due west, the space between the Justice Center and the county administration building that is across Seventh St and the county parking lot beyond Elm St has been filled in with new building construction relating to a county facilities expansion project.  Elm St to the left is still open.  One can also still drive around the back of the Justice Center to exit onto Eighth St, as well.

Mike
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: bzakharin on February 22, 2018, 03:51:14 PM
The place I work at expanded onto what used to be a road. It became the second entrance to the expanded building and its parking lot. However, the street blade was removed when this happened, and the township maps don't show it as a road, so it must have been decommissioned.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: slorydn1 on February 23, 2018, 04:19:37 AM
We have a similar Walmart/Lowes  (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.101028,-77.0892328,3a,75y,243h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_MvfxDFYw6kWYZZpeGSEbw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D_MvfxDFYw6kWYZZpeGSEbw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D243.61012%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0) situation that the OP mentioned which created Garden Center Ln here in New Bern. The side behind the view in the link is really just the extension of the Walmart Supercenter parking lot. The view depicted here (past the stop sign ahead) forms the outer edge of the Lowe's parking lot.

Walmart was here first, and Garden Center Ln was built to allow for lateral movement to Red Robin Ln so that people coming from Trent Woods would have easier access in and out. It used to be when you got to the stop sign your only 2 choices were straight ahead or turn right to go towards MLK.

Lowe's used to be in a different shopping center on the opposite side of MLK behind IHOP further down the road. They built the current location sometime around 2000 IIRC, added the rest of Lowe's Blvd as a second connection back to Trent Rd.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: SectorZ on February 23, 2018, 09:24:46 AM
Quote from: slorydn1 on February 23, 2018, 04:19:37 AM
We have a similar Walmart/Lowes  (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.101028,-77.0892328,3a,75y,243h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s_MvfxDFYw6kWYZZpeGSEbw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D_MvfxDFYw6kWYZZpeGSEbw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dsearch.TACTILE.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D243.61012%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0) situation that the OP mentioned which created Garden Center Ln here in New Bern. The side behind the view in the link is really just the extension of the Walmart Supercenter parking lot. The view depicted here (past the stop sign ahead) forms the outer edge of the Lowe's parking lot.

Walmart was here first, and Garden Center Ln was built to allow for lateral movement to Red Robin Ln so that people coming from Trent Woods would have easier access in and out. It used to be when you got to the stop sign your only 2 choices were straight ahead or turn right to go towards MLK.

Lowe's used to be in a different shopping center on the opposite side of MLK behind IHOP further down the road. They built the current location sometime around 2000 IIRC, added the rest of Lowe's Blvd as a second connection back to Trent Rd.

That area is perilously close to becoming something out of Idiocracy.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: jflick99 on February 24, 2018, 08:56:52 PM
KU's rec center (https://goo.gl/maps/QPMRBLqvhT32) is at the east end of a huge parking lot (signed as Lot 90). It's address is on Watkins Center Drive, which is almost indistinguishable from the parking lot. It is even signed as part of Lot 90.

In Shawnee, KS, the parking lots for St. Joseph Church (https://goo.gl/maps/RDiKekHKbRw) have nearly absorbed the intersection of 59th St and King Ave. Before the adoration chapel (small building straight ahead) was built, 59th St went through there and blended into that parking lot.

Another (almost) example is the Quivira 10 shopping center. 62nd Terr. (https://goo.gl/maps/KYGXUHLLkWH2) technically does not exist through the shopping center, but if you go straight through to the other side, you can continue straight (https://goo.gl/maps/QRkTy5cvLSn) across Quivira Rd to stay on 62nd Terr.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: RobbieL2415 on February 25, 2018, 10:42:01 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 19, 2018, 02:25:12 PM
There are the streets near the Captiol in DC that have parking strips in the middle of them.
All the closed streets bordering the White House are basically parking strips too.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: Flint1979 on February 25, 2018, 10:55:46 PM
Chevrolet Avenue in Flint, Michigan is like that. There are parking spaces in the middle of the street. This is from the intersection of Flushing Road and Chevrolet.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.0216883,-83.7219514,3a,75y,23.62h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0nLArtRnwA1bIekx02pPLg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: US 89 on February 25, 2018, 11:10:48 PM
Salt Lake City has parking spaces in the median of parts of 300 East (https://goo.gl/maps/4QpPRu6Y6Nt) and Broadway/300 South (https://goo.gl/maps/smkQ9JLLhhR2)
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: TheCatalyst31 on March 04, 2018, 03:50:44 PM
South Water Street (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9274046,-88.8363401,3a,75y,124.76h,72.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sa1JUtf4dVK36iMePNwWWZg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in Fort Atkinson, WI goes right through a municipal parking lot.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: Brandon on March 04, 2018, 03:58:37 PM
Norman Avenue in Joliet:
https://goo.gl/maps/rvVWmHTy8oQ2
Blends with a car dealer's lot, but
http://www.willcountysoa.com/taxmaps/17_03-23D-E.pdf
It's actually a public street.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: LM117 on March 05, 2018, 07:42:03 AM
Piney Forest Road (US-29 Business) here in Danville between Central Blvd and VA-41 is a parking lot. Does that count? :pan:
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: Finrod on March 06, 2018, 02:39:49 PM
The stub end of Hargrove Road in the Cumberland area of Cobb County, Georgia, that was turned into a stub when Cumberland Boulevard was routed through there, apparently is being decommissioned-- I don't know exactly what they're doing with it, my best guess is they're extending the adjacent parking lots into where it was.  The result is that traffic in the parking lots to the west has become a freaking nightmare.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8894455,-84.4760153,17.5z/data=!5m1!1e1
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: GaryV on March 06, 2018, 07:01:59 PM
Royal Oak, MI:  https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4979394,-83.1442148,157m/data=!3m1!1e3?hl=en

Gardenia bends north around Frentz Hardware to meet Catalpa.  But Gardenia used to stay straight to Main St - likely it was changed to simplify the interchange (which is complicated just to the north by Rochester and Crooks coming in on angles).

The old portion of the roadway is still there.  It serves as an exit from the Frentz parking lot, and the portion next to Main also has some parking in it.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: roadman65 on May 05, 2018, 09:02:13 PM
World Drive in Disney World sort of does this.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: bugo on May 06, 2018, 01:31:36 AM
There's this abomination. Quincy Avenue ends at a parking lot with a nearby outlet onto the I-44 frontage road. It is dangerous with traffic going around the U turn ramp from the I-44 west frontage road to the EB frontage road, and cutting across three lanes of traffic to turn into the parking lot, then cutting over to Quincy. They should have continued Quincy north with access to the frontage road there and cut off access from the parking lot to the frontage road where it is now.

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.0890138,-95.9749471,168m/data=!3m1!1e3
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: roadman65 on May 06, 2018, 10:11:24 AM
In New Brunswick, NJ you have Clifton Avenue blend into Sears Parking Lot.  First your on the street and then it just becomes the driveway inside the free standing Sears along US 1 in New Brunswick (one of the few Sears not anchored in a mall or center) and you end up further in the parking lot.
Title: Re: Streets/roads blended into parking lots
Post by: froggie on May 09, 2018, 08:51:03 AM
Discovered at least two locations along MA 127A in Gloucester that would fit this thread.

Also, the parking "lot" for Currier's store in Glover, VT (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.7060372,-72.1874766,3a,75y,313.11h,88.23t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGvxqp5ePGVCl0PVMdbhesA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DGvxqp5ePGVCl0PVMdbhesA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D130.23163%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) is directly on VT 16.  It's not "on street parking" per se in part because the parking area is private property.