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Title: Irrational fears
Post by: webny99 on February 27, 2018, 10:10:46 PM
On a somewhat road-related note, I think I have an irrational fear of being pulled over/ticketed. That scares me way more than the possibility of an accident, which is a bit imbalanced on reflection.

I don't know why, but dogs scare me a little. Insects and such I can usually handle, except for bees. I'm paranoid of bees  :paranoid:

This should be fun, as long as we keep it appropriate.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: 7/8 on February 27, 2018, 10:22:59 PM
Spiders! One of the great things about winter is that I almost never see them, whereas in the summer, there's always a chance of encountering them :paranoid:
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Otto Yamamoto on February 27, 2018, 10:47:52 PM
Heights and gaps between trains and platforms.

P00I

Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: kurumi on February 27, 2018, 10:52:46 PM
Dropping my car keys, phone, etc. into a storm drain.

Going into a room with the lights off and the face I see in the mirror is not mine.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 27, 2018, 11:38:02 PM
Used to have an issue with heights into my adulthood.   But traveling on hiking trails in over 100 National Park units on top driving almost every scenic mountain highway in the country helped that.  The last time I had an vertigo associated with heights was on the Royal Gorge Bridge in 2015 when I was on the center span as a Jeep passed.  That wooden road deck shakes like you are in a earthquake when a vehicle is on it. 

When I was a kid I had big fear of fire after watching the Towering Inferno.  I used to ask my Dad every week if our wiring at home was up to code, at least he had the decency to lie to me and tell me the Code Inspector said it was all good.  I was worried about running out of gas for some reason after watching The Hitcher for awhile too.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 12:03:53 AM
Light bulbs burning out at night, and then walking around the house flipping switches and none of the lights working.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: SignGeek101 on February 28, 2018, 12:16:45 AM
Quote from: webny99 on February 27, 2018, 10:10:46 PM
I don't know why, but dogs scare me a little.

You're not the only one... have had since I was little, and I doubt it will go away. Even "friendly" looking dogs creep me out and I do my best to avoid them.

Heights

Seeing things at night (hallucinating)

Returning to my bedroom during the middle of the night and fearing someone else is in there.

Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Hurricane Rex on February 28, 2018, 01:54:01 AM
Not getting a certain time in a race (17:45 5k,  38:00 10k)
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: adventurernumber1 on February 28, 2018, 01:55:48 AM
Quote from: 7/8 on February 27, 2018, 10:22:59 PM
Spiders! One of the great things about winter is that I almost never see them, whereas in the summer, there's always a chance of encountering them :paranoid:

You are definitely not alone in that!!!  :wave:

I have arachnophobia (fear of spiders), and that became particularly severe (as did all of my mental illnesses) last year during the stress of Junior Year of High School - at its worst, to the point where I would have a panic attack whenever I saw a spider, and I could not enter the same room for weeks or even months at a time (absolutely no joke - for example, I saw a really creepy "crab-looking spider" in my house in the formal dining room/living room (not casual, so it wasn't used as often anyway) area of the house, and I could not enter that space approximately from March to July 2017). This phobia has improved tremendously since then, although it is still there, and spiders do definitely creep the hell out of me still!  :paranoid:  :-o


Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: hotdogPi on February 28, 2018, 05:42:45 AM
Dogs, especially those that try to "attack" me (i.e. run towards me, even if on a leash)
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 28, 2018, 06:17:15 AM
Sumac.  Those things are ugly, they grow everywhere, and they grow fast.  They take over enter roadsides and vacant lots.  I think I got my fear of them when I was very young, being told they were poisonous.  Some are and some aren't.  I see people brush by them every day without a problem.  I will steer clear of them, even switching positions to walk on the other side of people if I see them up ahead, which causes those people to give me odd looks because to them, sumac is just like any other weed.

The thing is - I'm not afraid of other weeds, and I'm not afraid of poison ivy.  I know if I touch it I'll get a rash, and I'll just deal with it.  But sumac, no matter what, just skeeves me to no end.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: LM117 on February 28, 2018, 06:22:59 AM
Snakes. Whenever I see one in person, no matter what kind it is, I nope the fuck out.

Another one is heights. I used to be able to deal with heights no problem, but for whatever reason during the past 3-4 years, I can't handle it well like I used to. My blood pressure would go up and I'd feel like the ground fell out from under me. I have no idea what caused the change. Now, whenever I have to go somewhere that has multiple stories, I put on my poker face so anybody looking at me has no clue that I can't handle heights, but on the inside I'm losing my shit. :crazy: It apparently runs in the family, so I guess so shouldn't be too surprised. My mother is even more scared of heights than I am. Unlike me, she panics and everybody sees it.

The last thing is bees and wasps. I'm allergic to them (again, thanks mom :rolleyes:).
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: 1995hoo on February 28, 2018, 07:27:01 AM
Big dogs. I got bitten by a dog once when I was a kid (nothing major, though) and I think it stuck with me. I'm fine with small dogs like Pomeranians, but big dogs, the ones that try to sniff your nuts and won't back off, make me very uncomfortable. (Edited to add: I suppose you could say this is rational given the reason for it, but I know very well it was that particular dog when I was a kid and not all dogs bite. That's why I said it's "irrational." I think what I hate the most is dog owners' attitude of "oh, he's friendly," like it's funny or you're somehow required to let their dogs climb all over you....control your damn dog!)

I used to have a fear of heights, although it didn't stop me from going to the top of the World Trade Center, but that doesn't seem to bother me as much anymore–I had no problems standing near the unfenced rims of the Grand Canyon and Muley Point in Utah for photos.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: roadman on February 28, 2018, 09:38:04 AM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on February 28, 2018, 12:16:45 AM
Quote from: webny99 on February 27, 2018, 10:10:46 PM
I don't know why, but dogs scare me a little.
You're not the only one... have had since I was little, and I doubt it will go away. Even "friendly" looking dogs creep me out and I do my best to avoid them.
I've had a fear of dogs since I was a toddler, which was exacerbated about the age of eight when a dog chasing me on my paper route caused me to lose control of my bike.  Even docile dogs like my brother's Bernese Mountain Dog make me uncomfortable when they get too close.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 28, 2018, 10:08:32 AM
Here's another movie based fear I had when I was a kid that I thought of this morning.  Back when I was 5 my parents took me to see the The Blob which was a remake the 1958 movie of the same name.  The original movie is very tame by the standards of the 1980s and my Dad told my Mom it was no big deal.  Suffice to say the remake was infinitely more graphic and probably wasn't what a 5 year should have been watching.  There was a scene where the blob tried to come up a sink and where it dropped on someone from the ceiling.  My parents couldn't figure out why I'd always check the ceiling of every dark room I went into and I kept duct taping the bathroom sink for a couple months after.  :-D
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: J N Winkler on February 28, 2018, 11:09:40 AM
Quote from: webny99 on February 27, 2018, 10:10:46 PMOn a somewhat road-related note, I think I have an irrational fear of being pulled over/ticketed. That scares me way more than the possibility of an accident, which is a bit imbalanced on reflection.

I don't know that I would characterize this as irrational, given the low recruiting standards many police departments have been forced to adopt to get boots on the ground.  My local department, for example, no longer disqualifies applicants for a declared history of marijuana use.

The last time I had a close-up encounter with police patrol officers was when I came around a curve to find a signalized intersection ahead closed because of an accident that was being worked by officers out of multiple cruisers.  I was in the right-hand lane and needed to get to a left-turn lane to clear the scene, but was trapped.  I could not go forward because the way was blocked by a cruiser.  I could not go to the left without help because that would have meant swooping across multiple lanes (a maneuver of dubious legality) in full view of police officers as well as cutting in front of vehicles barrelling obliviously around the curve.

A police officer pulled up behind me in her cruiser and promptly lost her temper because I wouldn't move out of the way--in my rearview mirror I could see her having a tantrum behind the wheel.  Eventually another officer came on foot to see what was up and got my attention by extending his telescoping baton and striking my car door with almost enough force to chip paint.  "Why are you not moving?" he asked.  I put up my hands and shrugged, pointing out I had nowhere to go.  "Go there," he said, pointing to the left-turn lane, and since I now had legal cover (the instructions of a police officer controlling traffic override all else), I went.  But this whole incident left me with a bad feeling about the anger management skills of recently inducted officers working patrol.

Quote from: kurumi on February 27, 2018, 10:52:46 PMDropping my car keys, phone, etc. into a storm drain.

I saw this happen to somebody as I was walking by--he had his keys on a cord and was playing with it by swinging it around.  He lost his grip on the cord and the keys promptly flew through a drain grating.  An hour later he was still trying to have the grating lifted so he could retrieve his keys.  I would say this is a very rational worry.




As for dogs, ants, spiders, snakes, etc.:  I don't mind snakes or spiders, but don't especially want to share my personal space with them.  I used to be blasé about ants but am now dealing with psychological overhang from a major ant infestation in the spring of 2017--my reading chair was virtually on top of the ants' primary ingress route, so for weeks on end I was unable to read for any length of time without feeling ants crawling somewhere on my body.  I have never been bitten by a dog, but have had strange dogs run up to me or bark at me so many times that I am far more distrustful of dogs than I am of cats.

As a deaf person, I worry about malfunctions I can become aware of only through sound, such as a timing chain inside a car engine that is about to fail and has developed excessive slack (audible as "chain slap"), or a toilet that occasionally stays running when flushed because the flapper valve fails to close completely 100% of the time.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Rothman on February 28, 2018, 03:14:33 PM
It frustrates me that I have no problem walking on a two-foot wide sidewalk, but if it's a two-foot wide ridge with cliffs on either side (e.g., Step of Faith on the Angels Landing trail in Zion, which I have done), my mind freaks out and I have to fight it convincing itself that I will fall.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: jeffandnicole on February 28, 2018, 03:33:39 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 27, 2018, 10:10:46 PMOn a somewhat road-related note, I think I have an irrational fear of being pulled over/ticketed. That scares me way more than the possibility of an accident, which is a bit imbalanced on reflection.

After it happens a few times, you lose that fear. :)  Everyone is going to have that first time, and they'll be freaked out.  Remain calm.  Pull well off the road if you can; even if you have to roll a little to a spot without a guardrail to give you and the officer more room.  Don't grab for your documents.  Roll down your windows, turn on your interior light, turn off your radio, and put your hands on top of the steering wheel.  Show the cop that you're not a threat.  When the officer asks for your documents, not you can you get them then, but you can briefly talk; find out why you were actually stopped, offer an excuse if you can think of one quickly, etc.

People will have many different opinions on traffic stops and what to do. Obviously, those that have had rougher experiences will have more negative connotations regarding cops.  And sure, some cops (and some departments) will be more assholic in nature than others.  But overall, the number of people that get stopped and are given just a warning is amazingly high, and those that are given reduced tickets are amazingly high as well.  But you're not going to hear from that percentage of the population - you're going to hear from those that were given a ticket "for no reason" (because amazingly, on highways full of speeders, the only ones given tickets were apparently doing nothing wrong).


Quote from: J N Winkler on February 28, 2018, 11:09:40 AM
The last time I had a close-up encounter with police patrol officers was when I came around a curve to find a signalized intersection ahead closed because of an accident that was being worked by officers out of multiple cruisers.  I was in the right-hand lane and needed to get to a left-turn lane to clear the scene, but was trapped.  I could not go forward because the way was blocked by a cruiser.  I could not go to the left without help because that would have meant swooping across multiple lanes (a maneuver of dubious legality) in full view of police officers as well as cutting in front of vehicles barrelling obliviously around the curve.

A police officer pulled up behind me in her cruiser and promptly lost her temper because I wouldn't move out of the way--in my rearview mirror I could see her having a tantrum behind the wheel.  Eventually another officer came on foot to see what was up and got my attention by extending his telescoping baton and striking my car door with almost enough force to chip paint.  "Why are you not moving?" he asked.  I put up my hands and shrugged, pointing out I had nowhere to go.  "Go there," he said, pointing to the left-turn lane, and since I now had legal cover (the instructions of a police officer controlling traffic override all else), I went.  But this whole incident left me with a bad feeling about the anger management skills of recently inducted officers working patrol.

The simple fact that police had the intersection blocked is enough to allow what would normally be an unsafe or illegal move.  They know you can't go straight. They're not sitting there looking around to give someone a ticket for switching lanes. 

Also, realize you're not the first person to approach the scene.  If everyone else managed to move over, they would expect you to do also, and that you weren't actually placed you as the abnormal one which would raise their suspicions a little.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Max Rockatansky on February 28, 2018, 04:03:38 PM
Quote from: Rothman on February 28, 2018, 03:14:33 PM
It frustrates me that I have no problem walking on a two-foot wide sidewalk, but if it's a two-foot wide ridge with cliffs on either side (e.g., Step of Faith on the Angels Landing trail in Zion, which I have done), my mind freaks out and I have to fight it convincing itself that I will fall.

Just visited that very trail recently, there was no way I was going up that chain with how wet the rocks were with that drop.  Some kid just fell off from there and was killed a couple weeks back, I'd say fear there is completely rational.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: froggie on February 28, 2018, 04:20:45 PM
Given conversation elsewhere on the forum, one could argue "milepost-based exits" for NYSDOT planners.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: jwolfer on February 28, 2018, 04:20:52 PM
Quote from: kurumi on February 27, 2018, 10:52:46 PM
Dropping my car keys, phone, etc. into a storm drain.

Going into a room with the lights off and the face I see in the mirror is not mine.
I have the fear of dropping stuff in the drain as well.. and down an elevator shaft in the space between the elevator car and floor

Z981

Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: CNGL-Leudimin on February 28, 2018, 04:21:19 PM
When I was a child for some reason I had an irrational fear of fire extinguishers.
Quote from: Hurricane Rex on February 28, 2018, 01:54:01 AM
Not getting a certain time in a race (17:45 5k,  38:00 10k)

Wow. My personal best over 10K is 55:12. I don't know what my PB over 5K is, the last time I ran a 5K I did it in 27:15, but considering I ran a 6K in 32 minutes in January....
Quote from: jwolfer on February 28, 2018, 04:20:52 PM
I have the fear of dropping stuff in the drain as well.. and down an elevator shaft in the space between the elevator car and floor

Spam

Then I shouldn't say I once accidentally dropped my keys down an elevator shaft... luckily I retrieved them.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Anyone have a fear of being vomited on by someone else?
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: webny99 on February 28, 2018, 05:33:07 PM
Quote from: froggie on February 28, 2018, 04:20:45 PM
Given conversation elsewhere on the forum, one could argue "milepost-based exits" for NYSDOT planners.

Even without conversation elsewhere on the forum you could make that argument  :-D
I, for one, support that position wholeheartedly.




Quote from: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Anyone have a fear of being vomited on by someone else?

Not really - what are the chances of that occurring? It seems predictable enough (most of the time).
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 05:57:30 PM
Quote from: webny99 on February 28, 2018, 05:33:07 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Anyone have a fear of being vomited on by someone else?
Not really - what are the chances of that occurring? It seems predictable enough (most of the time).

Anything could happen, that is the nature of phobias.

Luposlipaphobia -- http://phobia.wikia.com/wiki/Luposlipaphobia
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: SectorZ on February 28, 2018, 06:29:04 PM
Man, where the hell would I start. I not only have irrational fears, but I have irrational "lack of fears" as well.

For example, at 9 years old I was bit by a dog. Nothing horrible, but I got a good bite into my inner right thigh. To this day, if a dog runs up to me, even something aggressive like a pit bull, I barely flinch. I think it has to do with being bit by the dog because I ran, and learning that standing up to them and not being afraid discourages them from attacking.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: MNHighwayMan on February 28, 2018, 07:00:02 PM
Being a passenger in a car. I know it's probably not any more statistically dangerous than driving myself, but I still dislike it strongly every time it happens (fortunately not often!)
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: webny99 on February 28, 2018, 08:15:33 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on February 28, 2018, 07:00:02 PM
Being a passenger in a car. I know it's probably not any more statistically dangerous than driving myself, but I still dislike it strongly every time it happens (fortunately not often!)

I have a mild form of this problem, but I'm not sure I'd classify it as "fear". More often than not, it's just a personal beef with other's driving habits.

As such, when I'm a passenger, I try to overcome and take the opportunity to pay additional attention to the roads themselves. I tend to plan obsessively as a driver* so I find I can focus better on other aspects of the roadgeek experience (especially signage and traffic control/flow) as a passenger.

*This is potentially another discussion altogether
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Scott5114 on February 28, 2018, 10:54:37 PM
Being around latex balloons puts me on edge, since they can make loud, sudden noises. Obviously, they're mostly harmless, but I still don't like to be around them, and will try to avoid them if possible. The foil kind of balloons deflate slowly and quietly when punctured, so they don't bother me.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: wxfree on March 01, 2018, 04:01:49 AM
Some of these fears aren't "irrational," but are just fears, fears of things that are or potential are harmful.  I don't know if my biggest fear is irrational or not, but what I most fear is eternal life.  The idea of unending existence horrifies me.  I could see that being a rational fear, as it seems to me, or as an irrational fear, as it may seem to some others.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Scott5114 on March 01, 2018, 06:40:20 AM
Quote from: wxfree on March 01, 2018, 04:01:49 AM
Some of these fears aren't "irrational," but are just fears, fears of things that are or potential are harmful.  I don't know if my biggest fear is irrational or not, but what I most fear is eternal life.  The idea of unending existence horrifies me.  I could see that being a rational fear, as it seems to me, or as an irrational fear, as it may seem to some others.

I would think that the fear of the opposite, eternal oblivion, would be quite a bit more common (sure keeps me up at night if I think about it too much!). I can see why eternal life could be a horrifying thought, but what might tip it toward the "irrational" category is that, as of yet, no human has managed to pull the feat off, so I doubt you're likely to do it on accident. (But do share if you figure it out!)
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: inkyatari on March 01, 2018, 09:14:09 AM
Quote from: SignGeek101 on February 28, 2018, 12:16:45 AM
Quote from: webny99 on February 27, 2018, 10:10:46 PM
I don't know why, but dogs scare me a little.

You're not the only one... have had since I was little, and I doubt it will go away. Even "friendly" looking dogs creep me out and I do my best to avoid them.


Dogs scare me when I'm out riding my bike, but I don't think that's an irrational fear.  Needless to say, I carry mace with me on my bicycle all the time.

Irrational..  I used to think I was scared of heights, but I love rollercoasters, and have hiked a few scary trails, so that's not it. Thinking about it, it's ladders. No matter the condition, ladders scare me.  The longer the ladder, the more freaked out I get.

Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: LM117 on March 01, 2018, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 28, 2018, 10:54:37 PM
Being around latex balloons puts me on edge, since they can make loud, sudden noises.

So try a different Trojan. Different strokes for different folks.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: webny99 on March 01, 2018, 12:37:17 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 01, 2018, 06:40:20 AM
Quote from: wxfree on March 01, 2018, 04:01:49 AM
Some of these fears aren't "irrational," but are just fears, fears of things that are or potential are harmful.  I don't know if my biggest fear is irrational or not, but what I most fear is eternal life.  The idea of unending existence horrifies me.  I could see that being a rational fear, as it seems to me, or as an irrational fear, as it may seem to some others.

I would think that the fear of the opposite, eternal oblivion, would be quite a bit more common (sure keeps me up at night if I think about it too much!).

Confidence, people  ;-) I'm of the belief that there is no such thing as eternal oblivion. I'm also of the belief that unending existence (in this life and on this planet, anyways) is not worth worrying about. But each to their own on this subject.


QuoteWhat might tip it toward the "irrational" category is that, as of yet, no human has managed to pull the feat off, so I doubt you're likely to do it on accident. (But do share if you figure it out!)

Yeah, this :rofl:
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: TheArkansasRoadgeek on March 01, 2018, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 28, 2018, 10:54:37 PM
Being around latex balloons puts me on edge, since they can make loud, sudden noises. Obviously, they're mostly harmless, but I still don't like to be around them, and will try to avoid them if possible. The foil kind of balloons deflate slowly and quietly when punctured, so they don't bother me.
When a balloon pops and no one's around, does it make a sound?

The Balloon Debate:

Do balloons hurt people or do people hurt people?
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Beltway on March 01, 2018, 01:30:47 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on March 01, 2018, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 28, 2018, 10:54:37 PM
Being around latex balloons puts me on edge, since they can make loud, sudden noises. Obviously, they're mostly harmless, but I still don't like to be around them, and will try to avoid them if possible. The foil kind of balloons deflate slowly and quietly when punctured, so they don't bother me.
When a balloon pops and no one's around, does it make a sound?
The Balloon Debate:
Do balloons hurt people or do people hurt people?

If a deflated balloon gets into your mouth you could choke to death on it.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: vdeane on March 01, 2018, 01:32:53 PM
Well, if unending existence were possible, it would be worth worrying about.  If humanity didn't figure out space travel, you'd have to ensure the death of the Sun destroying Earth.  Regardless, at some point you'd be floating through space on your own, with nothing but black holes to keep you company, because of proton decay.  And even the black holes will eventually fade.  The permanent isolation from the heat death of the universe would not be fun.  Plus the brain doesn't have infinite memory capacity, so eventually you'd start to forget your own past.

Granted, even Doctor Who has never experimented with this level of immortality.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: index on March 01, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
Wasps. I don't know about the rest of you all, but as for me, I think that wasps can go right back to the hell they crawled out of. I had one of the bastards in my room last Friday at 4 PM, and it was this gigantic black one flying around my room. I started to scream like a little girl, got out of my room as fast as I could, and was too much of a coward to go back in until 1 AM, after trying to kill it multiple times covering my entire body in a blanket except my face and bombarding it with excessive amounts of bug spray.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: tribar on March 01, 2018, 02:10:13 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 01, 2018, 01:30:47 PM
Quote from: TheArkansasRoadgeek on March 01, 2018, 01:02:50 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 28, 2018, 10:54:37 PM
Being around latex balloons puts me on edge, since they can make loud, sudden noises. Obviously, they're mostly harmless, but I still don't like to be around them, and will try to avoid them if possible. The foil kind of balloons deflate slowly and quietly when punctured, so they don't bother me.
When a balloon pops and no one's around, does it make a sound?
The Balloon Debate:
Do balloons hurt people or do people hurt people?

If a deflated balloon gets into your mouth you could choke to death on it.

Anything can happen in the "what if" game.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Beltway on March 01, 2018, 02:14:39 PM
Quote from: index on March 01, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
Wasps. I don't know about the rest of you all, but as for me, I think that wasps can go right back to the hell they crawled out of. I had one of the bastards in my room last Friday at 4 PM, and it was this gigantic black one flying around my room. I started to scream like a little girl, got out of my room as fast as I could, and was too much of a coward to go back in until 1 AM, after trying to kill it multiple times covering my entire body in a blanket except my face and bombarding it with excessive amounts of bug spray.

Not irrational.  I recently destroyed a hornet's nest that was under the roof of my deck, with a wasp/hornet spray can.  That stuff is long ranged and is lethal!   :pan:

Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: 1995hoo on March 01, 2018, 03:17:35 PM
Quote from: LM117 on March 01, 2018, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on February 28, 2018, 10:54:37 PM
Being around latex balloons puts me on edge, since they can make loud, sudden noises.

So try a different Trojan. Different strokes for different folks.

Why does he need a Trojan if he's just.....ah, well, never mind.  :-o
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: adventurernumber1 on March 01, 2018, 04:42:21 PM
Quote from: index on March 01, 2018, 01:57:59 PM
Wasps. I don't know about the rest of you all, but as for me, I think that wasps can go right back to the hell they crawled out of. I had one of the bastards in my room last Friday at 4 PM, and it was this gigantic black one flying around my room. I started to scream like a little girl, got out of my room as fast as I could, and was too much of a coward to go back in until 1 AM, after trying to kill it multiple times covering my entire body in a blanket except my face and bombarding it with excessive amounts of bug spray.

I, too, think wasps can go right back to hell. My biggest fear is of spiders, but most insects are a close second. The house I live in now was built in 2005-2006. During its construction, there was a wasp nest in my future bedroom, and it sure scared the hell out of me. It would have been a lot scarier if this happened after the house was already built, though (yikes!). I like bees (I actually find use and positivity with them - with the honey, pollen, and generally more kindness when compared to other flying stinging insects), but I absolutely hate the guts out of wasps, yellow-jackets, and especially hornets. My dad has even gotten stung by yellow-jackets many times.

There was a creepy incident when I was at my grandparents house one time; there was a wasp inside the house in the living room, and it scared the crap out of us until my grandfather killed it. That was absolute chaos (and it was very hard to be killed, too!).  :-o
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: abefroman329 on March 01, 2018, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Anyone have a fear of being vomited on by someone else?

Yes, but my wife and I are having our first kid in July, so now it's just inevitable.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Beltway on March 01, 2018, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 01, 2018, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Anyone have a fear of being vomited on by someone else?
Yes, but my wife and I are having our first kid in July, so now it's just inevitable.

Should have clarified, not by a family member, but by a stranger.

I recall as a kid being in a movie theater and someone blew lunch from the balcony all over several people down below on the main floor.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Takumi on March 01, 2018, 07:46:49 PM
Closest I've had to that is someone spill their beer on me. Which wasn't fun.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: TheArkansasRoadgeek on March 01, 2018, 07:50:06 PM
Quote from: Takumi on March 01, 2018, 07:46:49 PM
Closest I've had to that is someone spill their beer on me. Which wasn't fun.
Must've been three sheets to the wind! :rofl:
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: US71 on March 01, 2018, 08:14:58 PM
"Fear in itself is mostly an illusion"
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Scott5114 on March 01, 2018, 08:31:30 PM
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Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: 1995hoo on March 01, 2018, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 01, 2018, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 01, 2018, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Anyone have a fear of being vomited on by someone else?
Yes, but my wife and I are having our first kid in July, so now it's just inevitable.

Should have clarified, not by a family member, but by a stranger.

I recall as a kid being in a movie theater and someone blew lunch from the balcony all over several people down below on the main floor.

There was that incident at a Phillies game a few years back where a "fan" deliberately puked on a kid whose father asked him and his friends to stop cussing and then asked security to remove them when one of them spit on his sweatshirt:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/major-league-jerk-charged-intentionally-vomiting-11-yr-old-phillies-fan-article-1.168760
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: US 89 on March 01, 2018, 09:23:48 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 01, 2018, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 01, 2018, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Anyone have a fear of being vomited on by someone else?
Yes, but my wife and I are having our first kid in July, so now it's just inevitable.

Should have clarified, not by a family member, but by a stranger.

I recall as a kid being in a movie theater and someone blew lunch from the balcony all over several people down below on the main floor.

The closest I've had was when I was in a Costco and a guy coughed in my ear as I walked by him.

Once at a Utah Symphony concert, my brother hurled all over the people sitting in front of us. I had to stay in my seat until intermission. It smelled awful, and it took some serious effort to not puke myself.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Beltway on March 01, 2018, 10:00:29 PM
Quote from: roadguy2 on March 01, 2018, 09:23:48 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 01, 2018, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 01, 2018, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Anyone have a fear of being vomited on by someone else?
Yes, but my wife and I are having our first kid in July, so now it's just inevitable.
Should have clarified, not by a family member, but by a stranger.
I recall as a kid being in a movie theater and someone blew lunch from the balcony all over several people down below on the main floor.
The closest I've had was when I was in a Costco and a guy coughed in my ear as I walked by him.
Once at a Utah Symphony concert, my brother hurled all over the people sitting in front of us. I had to stay in my seat until intermission. It smelled awful, and it took some serious effort to not puke myself.

The managers didn't move people away so that they could clean up the mess?
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Takumi on March 01, 2018, 10:11:06 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on March 01, 2018, 09:09:16 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 01, 2018, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 01, 2018, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Anyone have a fear of being vomited on by someone else?
Yes, but my wife and I are having our first kid in July, so now it's just inevitable.

Should have clarified, not by a family member, but by a stranger.

I recall as a kid being in a movie theater and someone blew lunch from the balcony all over several people down below on the main floor.

There was that incident at a Phillies game a few years back where a "fan" deliberately puked on a kid whose father asked him and his friends to stop cussing and then asked security to remove them when one of them spit on his sweatshirt:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/major-league-jerk-charged-intentionally-vomiting-11-yr-old-phillies-fan-article-1.168760
I just don’t get why Philly sports fans have such a bad reputation. Seems perfectly reasonable.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: US 89 on March 01, 2018, 10:14:04 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 01, 2018, 10:00:29 PM
Quote from: roadguy2 on March 01, 2018, 09:23:48 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 01, 2018, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 01, 2018, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Anyone have a fear of being vomited on by someone else?
Yes, but my wife and I are having our first kid in July, so now it's just inevitable.
Should have clarified, not by a family member, but by a stranger.
I recall as a kid being in a movie theater and someone blew lunch from the balcony all over several people down below on the main floor.
The closest I've had was when I was in a Costco and a guy coughed in my ear as I walked by him.
Once at a Utah Symphony concert, my brother hurled all over the people sitting in front of us. I had to stay in my seat until intermission. It smelled awful, and it took some serious effort to not puke myself.
The managers didn't move people away so that they could clean up the mess?

My brother was taken out with my parents so the EMT could check on him (he was fine). There was no cleaning, at least until I left at intermission. I don't think you could have paid me enough to stay for the second half.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: MNHighwayMan on March 01, 2018, 10:31:13 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 01, 2018, 08:14:58 PM
"Fear in itself is mostly an illusion"

Quote from: Litany Against Fear
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Max Rockatansky on March 01, 2018, 11:17:00 PM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 01, 2018, 10:31:13 PM
Quote from: US71 on March 01, 2018, 08:14:58 PM
"Fear in itself is mostly an illusion"

Quote from: Litany Against Fear
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

Damn, we just broke out a Dune reference.  This thread just instantly got better.

Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on March 01, 2018, 11:18:13 PM
Being struck and killed by objects from the sky (meteor, debris from passing aircraft, etc.)
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: paulthemapguy on March 01, 2018, 11:39:16 PM
Losing control of my mind.  This includes slipping into migraines, being too sleepy to complete a sentence, and anything out of a psychological thriller.  Ask my past roommates--they know how anal I am about getting decent sleep every night.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: J N Winkler on March 01, 2018, 11:39:35 PM
Blue ice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_ice_(aviation)) is less of a problem these days with the widespread adoption of vacuum-assisted flushing for aircraft toilets.  In its heyday it did damage buildings.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: paulthemapguy on March 01, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
So I know I just posted here, but I have to correct myself.  I lied.  THIS is my number one fear.  Prepare to be terrified.



Groupthink hiveminds terrify me.  I remember specifically walking around the U of I campus in college and hearing sorority girls say hello and greet people in EXACTLY the same tone with EXACTLY the same words, and being horrified.  It's like they're all being operated by a remote mind control device.  It really is amazing.  Except there is no mind control device--it's just that you allow yourself to be controlled by a foreign protocol when you have a complete lack of personality!
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: adventurernumber1 on March 02, 2018, 12:04:44 AM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on March 01, 2018, 11:39:16 PM
Losing control of my mind.  This includes slipping into migraines, being too sleepy to complete a sentence, and anything out of a psychological thriller.  Ask my past roommates--they know how anal I am about getting decent sleep every night.

That is very, very scary indeed. I even know what it's like to be so sleepy I fell asleep while walking down the stairs (hence falling halfway down the stairs and getting slightly hurt), due to my tranquilizing medication. That is why strokes scare me much, much more than heart attacks (though statistically they are both probably equally dangerous, but a stroke is sort of a "heart attack" to the brain). Anything psychotic where you literally lose your mind is scary as hell - seeing, hearing, or feeling things that aren't there - or believing things that aren't true - unfortunately I know the horrors of that. A person - their personality, intelligence, beliefs, actions, everything - is all centered in the mind, so I don't think I would be scared to completely lose any part of my body more than my brain (in something such as Alzheimer's Disease or a severe stroke). This may actually be the most rational fear of them all.  :-(


Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: renegade on March 02, 2018, 01:09:28 PM
Quote from: jwolfer on February 28, 2018, 04:20:52 PMI have the fear of dropping stuff ... down an elevator shaft in the space between the elevator car and floor.
Been there, done that.  What's next?
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: TheArkansasRoadgeek on March 02, 2018, 02:52:15 PM
 :rofl:
Quote from: roadguy2 on March 01, 2018, 09:23:48 PM
Quote from: Beltway on March 01, 2018, 06:59:53 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 01, 2018, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Anyone have a fear of being vomited on by someone else?
Yes, but my wife and I are having our first kid in July, so now it's just inevitable.

Should have clarified, not by a family member, but by a stranger.

I recall as a kid being in a movie theater and someone blew lunch from the balcony all over several people down below on the main floor.

The closest I've had was when I was in a Costco and a guy coughed in my ear as I walked by him.

Once at a Utah Symphony concert, my brother hurled all over the people sitting in front of us. I had to stay in my seat until intermission. It smelled awful, and it took some serious effort to not puke myself.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: webny99 on March 03, 2018, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 28, 2018, 11:09:40 AM
Quote from: webny99 on February 27, 2018, 10:10:46 PMOn a somewhat road-related note, I think I have an irrational fear of being pulled over/ticketed. That scares me way more than the possibility of an accident, which is a bit imbalanced on reflection.

I don't know that I would characterize this as irrational, given the low recruiting standards many police departments have been forced to adopt to get boots on the ground.  My local department, for example, no longer disqualifies applicants for a declared history of marijuana use.

I suppose the fear itself is rational, but the extent of it, in my case, borders on irrational. I find myself frequently on the lookout for police, as if I need to make substantial adjustments to my driving habits upon spotting them, which is rarely the case. On the other hand, I rarely spend time worrying about my own safety on the road. As a roadgeek, I tend to trust my instincts in this regard. I can only conclude that it is related to the degree of control which I have  - a substantial amount, in the case of driving safely, and significantly less, in the case of staying out of the hands of the authorities.

A personal objective I have is to never be pulled over or ticketed. I enjoy driving fast - and since I've made it almost two years (largely doing so), I am confident that this fear is in some ways a saving grace. I've learned most of the locations frequented by police on radar, and insist on slowing slightly on approach until I can establish whether they're present. I'm sure being pulled over does get less stressful with each occurence, but simultaneously, I have no intention of proving it through personal experience. Indeed, I take great precautions to the opposite end.




One piece of advice a family friend has given is to begin by thanking the officer for pulling you over. The idea is that a humble and self-aware attitude is likely to result in lower (or no) fines, whereas arrogance and attempts at self-justification can only lead the opposite direction. If this has been tried by anyone, I'd be interested in knowing whether it proved successful.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: jwolfer on March 03, 2018, 12:46:38 AM
Quote from: webny99 on March 03, 2018, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 28, 2018, 11:09:40 AM
Quote from: webny99 on February 27, 2018, 10:10:46 PMOn a somewhat road-related note, I think I have an irrational fear of being pulled over/ticketed. That scares me way more than the possibility of an accident, which is a bit imbalanced on reflection.

I don't know that I would characterize this as irrational, given the low recruiting standards many police departments have been forced to adopt to get boots on the ground.  My local department, for example, no longer disqualifies applicants for a declared history of marijuana use.

I suppose the fear itself is rational, but the extent of it, in my case, borders on irrational. I find myself frequently on the lookout for police, as if I need to make substantial adjustments to my driving habits upon spotting them, which is rarely the case. On the other hand, I rarely spend time worrying about my own safety on the road. As a roadgeek, I tend to trust my instincts in this regard. I can only conclude that it is related to the degree of control which I have  - a substantial amount, in the case of driving safely, and significantly less, in the case of staying out of the hands of the authorities.

A personal objective I have is to never be pulled over or ticketed. I enjoy driving fast - and since I've made it almost two years (largely doing so), I am confident that this fear is in some ways a saving grace. I've learned most of the locations frequented by police on radar, and insist on slowing slightly on approach until I can establish whether they're present.
I'm sure being pulled over does get less stressful with each occurence, but simultaneously, I have no intention of proving it through personal experience. Indeed, I take great precautions to the opposite end.




One piece of advice a family friend has given is to begin by thanking the officer for pulling you over. The idea is that a humble and self-aware attitude is likely to result in lower (or no) fines, whereas arrogance and attempts at self-justification can only lead the opposite direction. If this has been tried by anyone, I'd be interested in knowing whether it proved successful.
In any interactions with police, always be respectful and polite, even if you feel it's not warranted. 

Don't run your mouth and give a reason to have further scrutiny, or possible arrest.

Z981
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Scott5114 on March 03, 2018, 02:30:05 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 01, 2018, 11:18:13 PM
Being struck and killed by objects from the sky (meteor, debris from passing aircraft, etc.)

I wasn't killed, but I had a bird shit on my head once in Kansas City...

Quote from: paulthemapguy on March 01, 2018, 11:39:16 PM
Losing control of my mind.  This includes slipping into migraines, being too sleepy to complete a sentence, and anything out of a psychological thriller.  Ask my past roommates--they know how anal I am about getting decent sleep every night.

I don't know if I would consider it an irrational fear, but I have the same sentiment. I avoid alcohol and drugs for this reason–I don't want to lose control and do or say something I wouldn't want to do or say while sober.

Quote from: paulthemapguy on March 01, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Groupthink hiveminds terrify me.  I remember specifically walking around the U of I campus in college and hearing sorority girls say hello and greet people in EXACTLY the same tone with EXACTLY the same words, and being horrified.  It's like they're all being operated by a remote mind control device.  It really is amazing.  Except there is no mind control device--it's just that you allow yourself to be controlled by a foreign protocol when you have a complete lack of personality!

Don't go to Chick-Fil-A and say "thank you" to the workers. (Spoiler: management requires them to reply "my pleasure".) It creeps me the hell out, and I don't even have a phobia of this kind of thing.

Quote from: jwolfer on March 03, 2018, 12:46:38 AM
Quote from: webny99 on March 03, 2018, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 28, 2018, 11:09:40 AM
Quote from: webny99 on February 27, 2018, 10:10:46 PMOn a somewhat road-related note, I think I have an irrational fear of being pulled over/ticketed. That scares me way more than the possibility of an accident, which is a bit imbalanced on reflection.

I don't know that I would characterize this as irrational, given the low recruiting standards many police departments have been forced to adopt to get boots on the ground.  My local department, for example, no longer disqualifies applicants for a declared history of marijuana use.

I suppose the fear itself is rational, but the extent of it, in my case, borders on irrational. I find myself frequently on the lookout for police, as if I need to make substantial adjustments to my driving habits upon spotting them, which is rarely the case. On the other hand, I rarely spend time worrying about my own safety on the road. As a roadgeek, I tend to trust my instincts in this regard. I can only conclude that it is related to the degree of control which I have  - a substantial amount, in the case of driving safely, and significantly less, in the case of staying out of the hands of the authorities.

A personal objective I have is to never be pulled over or ticketed. I enjoy driving fast - and since I've made it almost two years (largely doing so), I am confident that this fear is in some ways a saving grace. I've learned most of the locations frequented by police on radar, and insist on slowing slightly on approach until I can establish whether they're present.
I'm sure being pulled over does get less stressful with each occurence, but simultaneously, I have no intention of proving it through personal experience. Indeed, I take great precautions to the opposite end.




One piece of advice a family friend has given is to begin by thanking the officer for pulling you over. The idea is that a humble and self-aware attitude is likely to result in lower (or no) fines, whereas arrogance and attempts at self-justification can only lead the opposite direction. If this has been tried by anyone, I'd be interested in knowing whether it proved successful.
In any interactions with police, always be respectful and polite, even if you feel it's not warranted. 

Don't run your mouth and give a reason to have further scrutiny, or possible arrest.

Z981


Unfortunately, evidence over the past few years has showed that's not always enough to avoid a bad interaction with police. There's been several taped incidents where a citizen apparently follows the officer's orders and been polite and respectful and end up getting shot anyway. I'd call fear of police interaction a rational fear.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: jeffandnicole on March 03, 2018, 03:06:21 AM
Remember, the police make thousands of stops per day. Even though a few rogue cops have made people think they're all bad guys, overall most people are not having these issues. I've been stopped many times...always with reason, but by being pleasant it's amazing what you can get away with.

One thing I do recall reading: If you're going to give cop an issue with being pulled over, the cop is probably going to write that ticket. The reasoning is if he doesn't write the ticket, then the driver is going to say that the stop was not justified. So by writing the ticket the cop justified the stop.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: jwolfer on March 03, 2018, 08:07:18 AM


Quote from: Scott5114 on March 03, 2018, 02:30:05 AM


Don't go to Chick-Fil-A and say "thank you" to the workers. (Spoiler: management requires them to reply "my pleasure".) It creeps me the hell out, and I don't even have a phobia of this kind of thing.



I agree. It sounds very "Stepford Wives"  and fake.
Although one of my friends tries to get them to say my pleasure as many times as possible



Z981

Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: jwolfer on March 03, 2018, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 03, 2018, 02:30:05 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on March 01, 2018, 11:18:13 PM
Being struck and killed by objects from the sky (meteor, debris from passing aircraft, etc.)

I wasn't killed, but I had a bird shit on my head once in Kansas City...

Quote from: paulthemapguy on March 01, 2018, 11:39:16 PM
Losing control of my mind.  This includes slipping into migraines, being too sleepy to complete a sentence, and anything out of a psychological thriller.  Ask my past roommates--they know how anal I am about getting decent sleep every night.

I don't know if I would consider it an irrational fear, but I have the same sentiment. I avoid alcohol and drugs for this reason–I don't want to lose control and do or say something I wouldn't want to do or say while sober.

Quote from: paulthemapguy on March 01, 2018, 11:59:29 PM
Groupthink hiveminds terrify me.  I remember specifically walking around the U of I campus in college and hearing sorority girls say hello and greet people in EXACTLY the same tone with EXACTLY the same words, and being horrified.  It's like they're all being operated by a remote mind control device.  It really is amazing.  Except there is no mind control device--it's just that you allow yourself to be controlled by a foreign protocol when you have a complete lack of personality!

Don't go to Chick-Fil-A and say "thank you" to the workers. (Spoiler: management requires them to reply "my pleasure".) It creeps me the hell out, and I don't even have a phobia of this kind of thing.

Quote from: jwolfer on March 03, 2018, 12:46:38 AM
Quote from: webny99 on March 03, 2018, 12:07:51 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on February 28, 2018, 11:09:40 AM
Quote from: webny99 on February 27, 2018, 10:10:46 PMOn a somewhat road-related note, I think I have an irrational fear of being pulled over/ticketed. That scares me way more than the possibility of an accident, which is a bit imbalanced on reflection.

I don't know that I would characterize this as irrational, given the low recruiting standards many police departments have been forced to adopt to get boots on the ground.  My local department, for example, no longer disqualifies applicants for a declared history of marijuana use.

I suppose the fear itself is rational, but the extent of it, in my case, borders on irrational. I find myself frequently on the lookout for police, as if I need to make substantial adjustments to my driving habits upon spotting them, which is rarely the case. On the other hand, I rarely spend time worrying about my own safety on the road. As a roadgeek, I tend to trust my instincts in this regard. I can only conclude that it is related to the degree of control which I have  - a substantial amount, in the case of driving safely, and significantly less, in the case of staying out of the hands of the authorities.

A personal objective I have is to never be pulled over or ticketed. I enjoy driving fast - and since I've made it almost two years (largely doing so), I am confident that this fear is in some ways a saving grace. I've learned most of the locations frequented by police on radar, and insist on slowing slightly on approach until I can establish whether they're present.
I'm sure being pulled over does get less stressful with each occurence, but simultaneously, I have no intention of proving it through personal experience. Indeed, I take great precautions to the opposite end.




One piece of advice a family friend has given is to begin by thanking the officer for pulling you over. The idea is that a humble and self-aware attitude is likely to result in lower (or no) fines, whereas arrogance and attempts at self-justification can only lead the opposite direction. If this has been tried by anyone, I'd be interested in knowing whether it proved successful.
In any interactions with police, always be respectful and polite, even if you feel it's not warranted. 

Don't run your mouth and give a reason to have further scrutiny, or possible arrest.

Z981


Unfortunately, evidence over the past few years has showed that's not always enough to avoid a bad interaction with police. There's been several taped incidents where a citizen apparently follows the officer's orders and been polite and respectful and end up getting shot anyway. I'd call fear of police interaction a rational fear.
I recently got pulled over for speeding, my DL was suspended for non payment of child support, but it was a bureaucratic snafu, I changed jobs, so now I am a contractor( 1099 instead of W2) so child support changed from payroll deduction to me paying directly to state. It was different cycle so it got short but I caught up.. I got letter saying DL would be suspended, I assumed it was all OK because I made payments every pay period, but alas the week difference showed me perpetually late a week.

So what I though would be a speeding ticket, tuned into "boy you are lucky I don't take you to jail and call DCF to come get your daughter" and waiting 2 hours for my parents to come and get me and drive my car home.  Then getting it straightened out, child support office said it was their fault, she saw I made payments, but I had to wait 24 hours for system to update before DMV would see that, not to mention paying to restore my licence. Missed 2 days of work, no pay, fixing a mistake by the state if FL.

I have a problem with DL being suspended for non driving offences, like non payment of child support.

But to your bigger point.  There are so many laws and regulations any one of us could be arrested and charged with a crime for something you had no idea was illegal.

Or just inconvenienced with like "driving while black"or "what are you doing in xxx when you live in zzz." Etc  Most of us have driven odd routes to check out a new road, abandoned bridge, take a picture of old button copy. Some cops would find that odd, search the car and call out the K9 and find that marijuana pipe dropped under the seat by your stoner cousin Craig last Christmas, or Granny's Percocet that fell out of her purse when you drover her home from shoulder surgery.  There you are innocent roadgeek, turned into drug trafficker.

My good friend is a criminal defense attorney, he has seen cases that got innocent people in jail, like having the same name as a criminal.

So could be a rational fear.



Z981
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: oscar on March 03, 2018, 09:59:31 AM
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on March 01, 2018, 10:31:13 PM
Quote from: Litany Against Fear
I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.

For a tangent off the Dune reference, here's an unrelated mock Dune litany (based on a litany of Piter the Mentat), which I pilfered from a Usenet newsgroup two decades ago:

Quote
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.
It is by the beans of java that thoughts acquire speed,
the hands acquire shaking,
the shaking becomes a warning.
It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

While I don't drink coffee, I am a Diet Pepsi addict, so I can relate.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: J N Winkler on March 03, 2018, 11:46:43 AM
Quote from: jwolfer on March 03, 2018, 08:32:57 AMBut to your bigger point.  There are so many laws and regulations any one of us could be arrested and charged with a crime for something you had no idea was illegal.

Many laws are sloppily drafted because, aside from a requirement to have an active law license in good standing, there is no accountability for bill drafters in state legislatures.  This results in laws for which 100% compliance is impossible without unreasonable effort.  For example, in Kansas you can be ticketed for failing to have your turn signal blinking at least 100 ft in advance of an upcoming turn.  This means that, in theory, you can be ticketed anytime you turn left at an intersection and then turn right into a driveway within 100 ft of the intersection throat, since there is no way you could have had your signal blinking for the required lead time for the driveway turn.  The only way to avoid this form of legal jeopardy is to drive three sides of a block so you can approach the driveway from a direction that allows the giving of the required 100 ft advance notice.

Quote from: jwolfer on March 03, 2018, 08:32:57 AMOr just inconvenienced with like "driving while black" or "what are you doing in xxx when you live in zzz." Etc  Most of us have driven odd routes to check out a new road, abandoned bridge, take a picture of old button copy. Some cops would find that odd, search the car and call out the K9 and find that marijuana pipe dropped under the seat by your stoner cousin Craig last Christmas, or Granny's Percocet that fell out of her purse when you drover her home from shoulder surgery.  There you are innocent roadgeek, turned into drug trafficker.

The whole "driving while black" problem is why I never assert that people stopped by the police never experience discriminatory treatment, although I have never encountered it myself in the context of traffic stops.  (My own experience, when pulled over by the police, has been more like Jeffandnicole's.  Even so, as a deaf person I carry a heavier burden at checkpoints.)

I am a great fan of keeping the inside of a car picked up, to add an extra layer of insulation against the risk that I get put in legal jeopardy as the result of something a passenger left behind.  It is a sad irony that, in order to be seen by law enforcement as an innocent person, you have to think like a criminal seeking to remove evidence of a crime.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: MNHighwayMan on March 03, 2018, 11:56:43 AM
Quote from: J N Winkler on March 03, 2018, 11:46:43 AM
Many laws are sloppily drafted because, aside from a requirement to have an active law license in good standing, there is no accountability for bill drafters in state legislatures.  This results in laws for which 100% compliance is impossible without unreasonable effort.  For example, in Kansas you can be ticketed for failing to have your turn signal blinking at least 100 ft in advance of an upcoming turn.  This means that, in theory, you can be ticketed anytime you turn left at an intersection and then turn right into a driveway within 100 ft of the intersection throat, since there is no way you could have had your signal blinking for the required lead time for the driveway turn.  The only way to avoid this form of legal jeopardy is to drive three sides of a block so you can approach the driveway from a direction that allows the giving of the required 100 ft advance notice.

I have no idea how much of this article is hyperbole, but it certainly feels like it's possible, which is awful itself: Eight Ways We Regularly Commit Felonies Without Realizing It (https://mic.com/articles/86797/8-ways-we-regularly-commit-felonies-without-realizing-it)
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: webny99 on March 03, 2018, 02:57:57 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 03, 2018, 02:30:05 AM
I'd call fear of police interaction a rational fear.

The irony is that I'd being doing a disservice to myself if  I continued to argue to the contrary, so we'll leave it at that  :)

Quote from: jwolfer on March 03, 2018, 08:07:18 AM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 03, 2018, 02:30:05 AM
Don't go to Chick-Fil-A and say "thank you" to the workers. (Spoiler: management requires them to reply "my pleasure".) It creeps me the hell out, and I don't even have a phobia of this kind of thing.
I agree. It sounds very "Stepford Wives"  and fake.
Although one of my friends tries to get them to say my pleasure as many times as possible.

That's a weird policy. I've only been to the one in Erie PA, but there's one coming to Rochester soon. I'll have to pay close attention next time, as I've never noticed that before.

It seems that would begin to alienate customers who know about the policy - the exact opposite of the intended effect (especially if "my pleasure" is a lie, which I'm sure it is in some cases).
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Takumi on March 03, 2018, 03:15:20 PM
Large trucks suddenly tipping over while passing them.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: US 89 on March 03, 2018, 03:41:25 PM
Quote from: Takumi on March 03, 2018, 03:15:20 PM
Large trucks suddenly tipping over while passing them.

If it's windy, that's not an irrational fear. In fact, yesterday four semis tipped over on I-80 in the Utah west desert due to high winds.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: 1995hoo on March 03, 2018, 04:04:16 PM
Quote from: Takumi on March 03, 2018, 03:15:20 PM
Large trucks suddenly tipping over while passing them.
Looks rational to me. Supposedly this occurred yesterday, but the last time I was on the Verrazano, it had a jersey barrier. Is that gone now?

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Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: cjk374 on March 03, 2018, 06:22:43 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 01, 2018, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Anyone have a fear of being vomited on by someone else?

Yes, but my wife and I are having our first kid in July, so now it's just inevitable.

Congratulations on the upcoming birth! Your life is about to be turned upside down...but it ends up in a good way.

This brings me to one of my fears that has now been conquered: the fear of not being a good-enough parent. Well here it is just over 19 years later & I think I have done well...so far. Just because he has moved out doesn't mean parenting is over with. I feel as though the worst of parenting & the fear of not being good enough has passed.

Spiders & snakes....YES! I hate them. My motto: if the critter has less than 2 legs or more than 4 IT MUST DIE IMMEDIATELY!!!!
Appropriate song:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vudA72hibg

Not a fan of heights either. I can't watch, on TV, any video of flying over the top of skyscrapers. I get major vertigo in my own home sitting on my couch! Not cool!
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: abefroman329 on March 05, 2018, 10:49:41 AM
Quote from: cjk374 on March 03, 2018, 06:22:43 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on March 01, 2018, 05:11:16 PM
Quote from: Beltway on February 28, 2018, 04:21:59 PM
Anyone have a fear of being vomited on by someone else?

Yes, but my wife and I are having our first kid in July, so now it's just inevitable.

Congratulations on the upcoming birth! Your life is about to be turned upside down...but it ends up in a good way.

This brings me to one of my fears that has now been conquered: the fear of not being a good-enough parent. Well here it is just over 19 years later & I think I have done well...so far. Just because he has moved out doesn't mean parenting is over with. I feel as though the worst of parenting & the fear of not being good enough has passed.

Spiders & snakes....YES! I hate them. My motto: if the critter has less than 2 legs or more than 4 IT MUST DIE IMMEDIATELY!!!!
Appropriate song:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vudA72hibg

Not a fan of heights either. I can't watch, on TV, any video of flying over the top of skyscrapers. I get major vertigo in my own home sitting on my couch! Not cool!

Thanks!  Yes, I would say I'm far more worried about my parenting abilities further down the road than my ability to, say, feed an infant and change his diapers.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: webny99 on May 26, 2022, 08:43:19 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I remembered it pretty clearly, so it can't be that old...

I have an irrational fear of dogs. Even just thinking about approaching an unleashed dog makes me start to panic. I'll sometimes even turn around if I see one in the distance, especially if it has a known history of approaching me and/or the owner not caring about it being unleashed.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Scott5114 on May 26, 2022, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 03, 2018, 02:30:05 AM
I don't know if I would consider it an irrational fear, but I have the same sentiment. I avoid alcohol and drugs for this reason–I don't want to lose control and do or say something I wouldn't want to do or say while sober.

Oh, you sweet summer child.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: US 89 on May 29, 2022, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 26, 2022, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 03, 2018, 02:30:05 AM
I don't know if I would consider it an irrational fear, but I have the same sentiment. I avoid alcohol and drugs for this reason—I don't want to lose control and do or say something I wouldn't want to do or say while sober.

Oh, you sweet summer child.

:-D :-D

I used to think that too. Turns out when you're hanging out with people, everything becomes a lot more fun after everyone's had a couple drinks.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 29, 2022, 10:06:55 PM
Quote from: US 89 on May 29, 2022, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 26, 2022, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 03, 2018, 02:30:05 AM
I don't know if I would consider it an irrational fear, but I have the same sentiment. I avoid alcohol and drugs for this reason–I don't want to lose control and do or say something I wouldn't want to do or say while sober.

Oh, you sweet summer child.

:-D :-D

I used to think that too. Turns out when you're hanging out with people, everything becomes a lot more fun after everyone's had a couple drinks.

I have the opposite problem occur, I talk way less and get bored way faster with people when I'm drunk. 
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: XamotCGC on May 29, 2022, 11:12:56 PM
Panic Attack while driving on an open highway
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: jgb191 on May 30, 2022, 12:51:39 AM
Everyone's going to laugh at me for this, but here goes:

I am absolutely deathly paranoid of structures collapsing due to weight/gravity.  I always try to lighten the load upstairs with as little weight as possible so the upstairs floor doesn't give out causing everything upstairs to come crashing down.  Maybe I underestimate the structural integrity/strength of buildings (I am no structural engineer by any means), but everytime I am inside a building or parking garage, I always wonder how much longer it can hold itself up before it eventually collapses due to gravity.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: 1995hoo on May 30, 2022, 10:51:10 AM
Quote from: webny99 on May 26, 2022, 08:43:19 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I remembered it pretty clearly, so it can't be that old...

I have an irrational fear of dogs. Even just thinking about approaching an unleashed dog makes me start to panic. I'll sometimes even turn around if I see one in the distance, especially if it has a known history of approaching me and/or the owner not caring about it being unleashed.

I mentioned earlier in the thread how I hate it when a dog owner tries to laugh it off if you're uncomfortable with the dog jumping on you. They so often say things like, "Oh, it's ok, he's friendly." If the person saying that is female, it kind of makes me want to say, "Really? So if I reach out right now and fondle your tits, I can shrug off your objection because I'm friendly?" Of course I've never actually said that; I have a gut feeling even just saying it (without acting upon it) would cause far more trouble than it's worth.

I should add that if I'm visiting someone who has a big dog (like the relatives in Fort Myers we visited last weekend), I know I just have to suck it up and deal with it because I'm entering his territory by going to their house. My objection is when I'm out for a walk somewhere that is not the dog's home and the owner fails to keep the dog from approaching passers-by who may not like big dogs. I go around in the street when it's safe to do so, but you can't always do that depending on the type of road, etc.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Max Rockatansky on May 30, 2022, 11:12:07 AM
I have one regarding financial ruin.  A lot of the fear seems to stem from early adulthood when I had some serious actual personal financial struggles.  I don't know if I'm more worried irrationally of running out money or feeling absolutely miserable as I did at the time.  I recall getting stomach issues a lot from stress back in those days and just feeling hopeless.  I think that I kept up with running over the years because back then it was one of the few ways to find cheap stress relief.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on May 30, 2022, 12:43:32 PM
Milk. My mother insists on keeping milk for 2-3 weeks past its expiration date. Sorry. At midnight on that date, it is automatically invalid milk and gets dumped in the river.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Rothman on May 30, 2022, 12:44:35 PM
Quote from: zachary_amaryllis on May 30, 2022, 12:43:32 PM
Milk. My mother insists on keeping milk for 2-3 weeks past its expiration date. Sorry. At midnight on that date, it is automatically invalid milk and gets dumped in the river.
There are all sorts of hilarious levels of insanity in this short post.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: SectorZ on May 30, 2022, 03:34:00 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on May 30, 2022, 10:51:10 AM
Quote from: webny99 on May 26, 2022, 08:43:19 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I remembered it pretty clearly, so it can't be that old...

I have an irrational fear of dogs. Even just thinking about approaching an unleashed dog makes me start to panic. I'll sometimes even turn around if I see one in the distance, especially if it has a known history of approaching me and/or the owner not caring about it being unleashed.

I mentioned earlier in the thread how I hate it when a dog owner tries to laugh it off if you're uncomfortable with the dog jumping on you. They so often say things like, "Oh, it's ok, he's friendly." If the person saying that is female, it kind of makes me want to say, "Really? So if I reach out right now and fondle your tits, I can shrug off your objection because I'm friendly?" Of course I've never actually said that; I have a gut feeling even just saying it (without acting upon it) would cause far more trouble than it's worth.

I should add that if I'm visiting someone who has a big dog (like the relatives in Fort Myers we visited last weekend), I know I just have to suck it up and deal with it because I'm entering his territory by going to their house. My objection is when I'm out for a walk somewhere that is not the dog's home and the owner fails to keep the dog from approaching passers-by who may not like big dogs. I go around in the street when it's safe to do so, but you can't always do that depending on the type of road, etc.

I concur on this. I was attacked at 9 years old by two dogs that chased me down, one of which biting me on the leg. The entitlement of people thinking they're dog can invade my space when I have that history gets on my nerves.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: JoePCool14 on May 30, 2022, 10:52:56 PM
Quote from: jgb191 on May 30, 2022, 12:51:39 AM
Everyone's going to laugh at me for this, but here goes:

I am absolutely deathly paranoid of structures collapsing due to weight/gravity.  I always try to lighten the load upstairs with as little weight as possible so the upstairs floor doesn't give out causing everything upstairs to come crashing down.  Maybe I underestimate the structural integrity/strength of buildings (I am no structural engineer by any means), but everytime I am inside a building or parking garage, I always wonder how much longer it can hold itself up before it eventually collapses due to gravity.

As long as the structural engineers were better than me when I took that class, you should be good.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: jlam on May 30, 2022, 11:37:03 PM
The Vespidae family. Whenever I see one of those guys I back away like 20 feet. For whatever reason, bees don't bother me as much. It's probably just the stinging for no reason thing.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: bm7 on May 30, 2022, 11:55:51 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 26, 2022, 08:43:19 PM
I know this is an old thread, but I remembered it pretty clearly, so it can't be that old...

I have an irrational fear of dogs. Even just thinking about approaching an unleashed dog makes me start to panic. I'll sometimes even turn around if I see one in the distance, especially if it has a known history of approaching me and/or the owner not caring about it being unleashed.

I don't have a fear of dogs, but I really dislike invisible fences. Nothing like walking past an open yard next to a house and having a large dog running towards you and you have no idea if it's going to stop or not, because you don't know if they actually have an invisible fence or not.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: zachary_amaryllis on May 31, 2022, 12:52:22 AM
Quote from: jlam on May 30, 2022, 11:37:03 PM
The Vespidae family. Whenever I see one of those guys I back away like 20 feet. For whatever reason, bees don't bother me as much. It's probably just the stinging for no reason thing.

I can't deal with bugs in general, even the seemingly harmless ones. We've all heard that there's always a spider within 3 feet of you, and that creeps me right out.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: paulthemapguy on May 31, 2022, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: US 89 on May 29, 2022, 10:04:06 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on May 26, 2022, 08:52:00 PM
Quote from: Scott5114 on March 03, 2018, 02:30:05 AM
I don't know if I would consider it an irrational fear, but I have the same sentiment. I avoid alcohol and drugs for this reason–I don't want to lose control and do or say something I wouldn't want to do or say while sober.

Oh, you sweet summer child.

:-D :-D

I used to think that too. Turns out when you're hanging out with people, everything becomes a lot more fun after everyone's had a couple drinks.

Emphasis on "a couple", though.  I open up and get chatty after about two drinks.  Anything beyond that and I just crash into a groggy, sleepy zombie.

In general, though, I avoid all drugs and alcohol beyond that, because I hate to lose control, too.  I had a health scare in fall 2020 (nothing to do with Covid), and it made me a bit of a paranoid hypochondriac. Any unexpected alteration to how I'm thinking or feeling would make me start to panic, so drugs and alcohol have been a very bad idea for me.  I've gotten mostly better in the last year and a half, though.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: MCRoads on June 06, 2022, 07:41:50 PM
Needles. Gotten better, I can handle IMs, but IVs are and tats are a no-no. At least my parents know I won't be doing drugs...

And doing this (https://imgur.com/a/ZMrfPMD) (video). Expensive, too.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: TheHighwayMan3561 on June 06, 2022, 07:51:30 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 26, 2022, 08:43:19 PM
I have an irrational fear of dogs. Even just thinking about approaching an unleashed dog makes me start to panic. I'll sometimes even turn around if I see one in the distance, especially if it has a known history of approaching me and/or the owner not caring about it being unleashed.

About 10 years ago I suffered cuts on my leg from a couple dogs that got loose from a nearby house I was walking toward. One of them had razor sharp claws, sharper than any I've ever encountered on a dog. They were probably just trying to play and be friendly. He jumped on me and cut on the lower back part of my leg as I turned my back to brace for the dog jumping on me. The owners were apologetic  and helped treat my wounds at least. I never thought to report the incident to the city because my injuries were superficial.
Title: Re: Irrational fears
Post by: Scott5114 on June 06, 2022, 08:59:30 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on June 06, 2022, 07:51:30 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 26, 2022, 08:43:19 PM
I have an irrational fear of dogs. Even just thinking about approaching an unleashed dog makes me start to panic. I'll sometimes even turn around if I see one in the distance, especially if it has a known history of approaching me and/or the owner not caring about it being unleashed.

About 10 years ago I suffered cuts on my leg from a couple dogs that got loose from a nearby house I was walking toward. One of them had razor sharp claws, sharper than any I've ever encountered on a dog. They were probably just trying to play and be friendly. He jumped on me and cut on the lower back part of my leg as I turned my back to brace for the dog jumping on me. The owners were apologetic  and helped treat my wounds at least. I never thought to report the incident to the city because my injuries were superficial.

Generally, reporting such things to the city is a bad idea 99 times out of 100, since it can result in the dogs being killed. That's a wholly disproportionate response for anything other than, say, an owner who has intentionally trained the dog to attack passing schoolchildren or something like that.