Has anyone ever been to a sporting event that was forfeited?
In Major League Baseball, the home team has to forfeit the game if fans get too unruly or throw too much trash on the field. But no game has been forfeited since 1995. I think the other big sports leagues allow forfeits too, but they're probably even less common in those leagues.
What about smaller leagues such as the minor leagues, school sports, or Little League?
When I was a kid, the other team forfeited a soccer game to our team once. Another year, our team would have forfeited except the other team agreed to reschedule. In both cases, the fault was with the coach of the forfeiting team for communicating the wrong kickoff time to the team.
When I was in little league one year, a team in my league had so many players injured for the rest of the season that they had to forfeit their last few games. They were forfeited in advance knowing the roster issue, so they still got together and played a scrimmage with the teams they were scheduled to play. It was cool getting a free win near the end of the year.
Beyond that, never seen one.
Quote from: bandit957 on May 27, 2018, 07:28:31 PM
Has anyone ever been to a sporting event that was forfeited?
In Major League Baseball ...
But no game has been forfeited since 1995.
Au contraire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Demolition_Night
And as a youth soccer referee, I have had to record at least one forfeit for a team that didn't have enough players show up. Probably more than once, but I can't remember for sure.
Quote from: GaryV on May 27, 2018, 09:06:23 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on May 27, 2018, 07:28:31 PM
Has anyone ever been to a sporting event that was forfeited?
In Major League Baseball ...
But no game has been forfeited since 1995.
Au contraire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Demolition_Night
That was in 1979. Bandit said the last one was in 1995.
Pretty sure I went to a high school game back in the 1980s that was forfeited when the visiting team no-showed.
In soccer, a forfeit typically means being awarded a 0-3 loss. It happens somewhat rarely, either for stadium unpreparedness (https://www.uefa.com/insideuefa/disciplinary/news/newsid=1502425.html), fielding ineligible players (http://www.fifa.com/governance/news/y=2016/m=12/news=several-member-associations-sanctioned-for-incidents-during-fifa-world-2861299.html), political interference (https://www.reuters.com/article/soccer-world-asia-kuwait/soccer-kuwait-fined-forfeit-match-due-to-fifa-ban-idUSL3N14X4XA20160113), state of dress (http://edition.cnn.com/2011/SPORT/football/06/07/football.iran.hijab.fifa/index.html), or of course fan conduct (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/10/albania-serbia-match-abandoned-drone).
I hope to never be at a match that gets forfeited.
Regarding non-MLB major league forfeits, the NHL has had two:
(1) In 1933, Chicago's coach was ejected from a game against the Bruins for punching the referee. Chicago's players left the ice as a protest and the ref forfeited the game to Boston.
(2) Montreal forfeited a game due to the infamous Rocket Richard Riot.
Honorable mention: The Montreal Wanderers folded during the league's first season after their arena burned down. Their remaining games were recorded as victories for Ottawa and the Canadiens, making them essentially forfeits.
NFL records do not count any game as ever having been a forfeit, though it bears noting that prior to 1933 the scheduling rules were very different and much looser than they are now, so games were frequently cancelled on short notice.
The NBA has never had a forfeit, although the franchise that is now the Brooklyn Nets forfeited a game to Kentucky when they played in the old ABA.
Quote from: US 89 on May 27, 2018, 09:37:11 PM
Quote from: GaryV on May 27, 2018, 09:06:23 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on May 27, 2018, 07:28:31 PM
Has anyone ever been to a sporting event that was forfeited?
In Major League Baseball ...
But no game has been forfeited since 1995.
Au contraire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Demolition_Night
That was in 1979. Bandit said the last one was in 1995.
Sorry, misread it as 1955.
I haven't been on any event that was forfeited. The closest I came was last April on the way back of a roadtrip. I detoured to watch a regional association football match, only to find it had been postponed. It was played two weeks later, but that day I was literally on the other side of Spain. At least now I have a photo for the road sign city name photo game that I've been wanting to play since then (for the record, the name of the village starts with R).
Between T-ball, youth soccer, and a church softball league, I'm sure I've played in a game that has been forfeited at some point, I just don't recall.
Never anything that was pro, college, or high school. When I played soccer as a kid, we didn't have enough players show up one game, so we officially lost. However, those of us who showed up played the other team, probably because both coaches thought it was a good idea to get practice in, and we ultimately went on to win.
I was umpiring a little league ball game when a coach decided too many (and we're talking, like, 2) close calls went against him so he pulled his team off the field.
The play he pulled his kids from the field was a very close play at first. You know, the ones where major league umpires sometime get wrong. In the 1990's, neither the MLB or Little League had instant replay. In the 1990's, the MLB Umpires got paid hundreds per game. I got a hot dog and soda.
Actually, the little league coaches were some of the worst managers. Some acted as if this was going to be their ticket to the major leagues, and every kid was going to become a major league player.
Quote from: GaryV on May 28, 2018, 06:49:23 AM
Quote from: US 89 on May 27, 2018, 09:37:11 PM
Quote from: GaryV on May 27, 2018, 09:06:23 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on May 27, 2018, 07:28:31 PM
Has anyone ever been to a sporting event that was forfeited?
In Major League Baseball ...
But no game has been forfeited since 1995.
Au contraire. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disco_Demolition_Night
That was in 1979. Bandit said the last one was in 1995.
Sorry, misread it as 1955.
Disco Demolition night was the last full game to be forfeited. The 1995 one ended a few outs early when the fans at Dodger Stadium would not stop throwing the balls on the field that were part of a promotional giveaway. The 95 game ended as 2-1 Cardinals in the 9th, where the 79 one goes in as a 9-0 forfeit score.
I'll bet some here have been to NCAA games that have been vacated after the fact because of the use of ineligible players or as part of other sanctions.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 31, 2018, 03:42:11 PM
Actually, the little league coaches were some of the worst managers. Some acted as if this was going to be their ticket to the major leagues, and every kid was going to become a major league player.
I suspect they stopped keeping score at some youth games because parents were taking it way too seriously. I've seen managers kick dirt at umpires in church rec leagues.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 07, 2018, 03:53:19 AM
I'll bet some here have been to NCAA games that have been vacated after the fact because of the use of ineligible players or as part of other sanctions.
Side rant, that's an incredibly stupid rule. The NCAA has done an amazingly poor job of policing eligibility to begin with, but the school always knows about it. The players aren't cheating, it's the school that should be telling them not to play. So the penalty should not hurt the students who put in the work in the games. Same with other sanctions. You covered up a child molester? What does that have to do with playing sports? Nothing should be vacated unless there was actual cheating going on by the players or coaches. Eligibility should be fines and sanctions.
End to side rant: The nuclear option should not exist at all.
Quote from: Alps on June 08, 2018, 01:33:36 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 07, 2018, 03:53:19 AM
I'll bet some here have been to NCAA games that have been vacated after the fact because of the use of ineligible players or as part of other sanctions.
Side rant, that's an incredibly stupid rule. The NCAA has done an amazingly poor job of policing eligibility to begin with, but the school always knows about it. The players aren't cheating, it's the school that should be telling them not to play. So the penalty should not hurt the students who put in the work in the games. Same with other sanctions. You covered up a child molester? What does that have to do with playing sports? Nothing should be vacated unless there was actual cheating going on by the players or coaches. Eligibility should be fines and sanctions.
End to side rant: The nuclear option should not exist at all.
Unless you're Rick Pitino. He knew nothing -- NOTHING -- about the hookers and strippers.
Meanwhile, when the NCAA states a player is academically eligible and tells the school he's OK to play, and then later forces the school to vacate victories because they later come back and say he actually wasn't eligible, something stinks. This happened to Memphis several years ago. Was the player Jalen Rose?
There's been a bit of controversy in Kentucky in past years concerning transfer students. There's a rule that a player has to sit out a year unless they transfer due to relocation -- i.e., a parent moves to another county or to another school boundary in a county that has multiple high schools. The reality is there are a lot of students who transfer and go to schools outside their assigned area. If the Kentucky High School Athletics Association rules the player ineligible, the parents will often go to court and at times the courts will issue an injunction making the player eligible. Despite that, the KHSAA will tell the school that if it allows the player to participate, the games will be forfeited. So the school has a choice to violate a court order or risk forfeiting victories and tournament revenue. I think the Kentucky legislature has addressed this but I don't follow high school sports as closely as I used to.
^ I believe it was Derrick Rose. Jalen Rose was part of the Fab Five at Michigan.
Quote from: amroad17 on June 09, 2018, 12:40:37 AM
^ I believe it was Derrick Rose. Jalen Rose was part of the Fab Five at Michigan.
You're right about Jalen Rose. It was the first name that popped into my mind with the last name Rose.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on May 31, 2018, 03:42:11 PM
Actually, the little league coaches were some of the worst managers. Some acted as if this was going to be their ticket to the major leagues, and every kid was going to become a major league player.
I played on city-sponsored teams until I was in high school, I think 9th or 10th grade was my final season. Coaches as I got older yelled and cussed at misplays, routinely violated playing time rules to keep the crapper kids from playing, and bristled whenever parents of benchwarmer kids started getting on their case about it. It sucked the fun out of things quickly.
This was bottom-of-the-rung ball. No tryouts, no cuts, just pay a fee and play.
I've never attended or participated in a game that has been forfeited. Closest I can come to that is a MLB game (Royals at Yankees) where when we left Yankee Stadium we thought the game was over, only to find out it would actually need to be resumed at a later date-the Pine Tar game.
Some friends of mine growing up were in a rugby team that never lost a cup match from under-12s level to under-18s level (they may have lost a couple of league ones, though they didn't play many of those either). Teams just wouldn't bother showing up to play them, and thus forfeit. The last year they only actually played the final, and won the other 5 rounds by forfeit. The two before they played just 2 of the 6 games before lifting the trophy.
As such, they wouldn't even tell us about games until afterwards - and then only if they played. There's no point in getting people slightly hyped for a game that then doesn't happen!
And it's not as if the area isn't a rugby area, and while those guys were good, they weren't that good that it was not even worth trying.
Quote from: Alps on June 08, 2018, 01:33:36 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 07, 2018, 03:53:19 AM
I'll bet some here have been to NCAA games that have been vacated after the fact because of the use of ineligible players or as part of other sanctions.
Side rant, that's an incredibly stupid rule. The NCAA has done an amazingly poor job of policing eligibility to begin with, but the school always knows about it. The players aren't cheating, it's the school that should be telling them not to play. So the penalty should not hurt the students who put in the work in the games. Same with other sanctions. You covered up a child molester? What does that have to do with playing sports? Nothing should be vacated unless there was actual cheating going on by the players or coaches. Eligibility should be fines and sanctions.
End to side rant: The nuclear option should not exist at all.
I now like to show how silly is all of this by saying the 2013 March Madness wasn't played at all :sombrero:.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on June 07, 2018, 03:53:19 AM
I'll bet some here have been to NCAA games that have been vacated after the fact because of the use of ineligible players or as part of other sanctions.
Though of course, that's a lot different than forfeiting as it only applies to the record of the team that vacated the victory. The team that lost the game still keeps the loss on their record.
For example, in college football Ohio State's official record vs Arkansas is 0-0 while Arkansas's official record vs Ohio State is 0-1.
Only the idiotic NCAA would come up with a system that allows those two stats to exist at the same time. On a similar note "Michigan has lost to Ohio State 50 times, but Ohio State has only defeated Michigan 49 times" is perfectly accurate statement according to this convoluted system of vacating wins.
I was not there, and I don't follow the WNBA, but I see the league announced the Las Vegas Aces forfeited last Friday night's game against the Mystics. The Aces refused to show up for the game after flight delays (per news reports, the league doesn't allow charter flights).
I've covered a game that was forfeited after the fact but that's as close as I've come to witnessing one in person.
In my area of Southeast Kansas, there's a high-school league made up of very small schools. Some of them have as few as 30 kids. Last season, two of the league's softball teams had multiple forfeits. Teams here prefer to play doubleheaders, so each scheduled date was actually forfeits of both games of a doubleheader. Kansas allows softball teams to play 20 games. Several teams in this league had 20 total wins and losses combined but only played 16 games.
The schools were not scheduled to play each other, though, as the league has 12 teams and each can only schedule 10 doubleheaders. I don't know if they would have had a pair of double forfeits if they had been set to play each other.
Also last year, one of the baseball teams had to cancel its entire season because only seven kids reported for the first day of practice. But that happened early enough that teams were able to go find new opponents if they wanted to.
Related to this, I've personally done a walkover (i.e. winning by virtue of being the only finisher) twice :sombrero:. Both were due to retirements in orienteering meets: the first one was a two day event for which in my class only me and another runner entered both days, and in the first day the other runner had to abandon due to injury, leaving me to just finish the second day in order to win (there was another runner that day but as he didn't run the night before he wasn't eligible). The second one was a day event, and again only me and another runner who retired halfway were in my class.
I was the treasurer of a church basketball league many years ago. There was once a game involving my brother's team, but his team only had four players show up. The opponents had a full team plus subs available. Their coach had the option* to accept a forfeit win or play the game 5 on 4 the whole time and accept the result. The coach asked his team and they wanted to play, so they played the game. My brother's team, with no subs available and one player short, won by a single point. Although this wasn't a forfeit, this is the closest I've seen to one.
*-League rules were that less than 4 players was an automatic forfeit; 4 players give the opposing coach the option; and 5 or more and the game gets played. If a team with only four players suffers an injury, the team would be forced to forfeit.
The oddest thing just happened last night!
My high school (Manistee) was scheduled to host a girls/boys doubleheader against Muskegon Heights Public School Academy. However, the refs never showed up, which should have given both Muskegon Heights teams forfeit wins. However, the Muskegon Heights girls had to forfeit their game to Manistee (that was known prior to scheduled game time) as the Heights were low on numbers due to a fight in their previous game. The forfeits had no real effect, as Manistee would have been heavily favored in the girls game while Muskegon Heights would have been heavily favored in the boys game.
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 07, 2018, 03:10:27 PM
I was not there, and I don't follow the WNBA, but I see the league announced the Las Vegas Aces forfeited last Friday night's game against the Mystics. The Aces refused to show up for the game after flight delays (per news reports, the league doesn't allow charter flights).
Is Vegas the only city that hosts a WNBA team but not an NBA team?
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 19, 2019, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 07, 2018, 03:10:27 PM
I was not there, and I don't follow the WNBA, but I see the league announced the Las Vegas Aces forfeited last Friday night's game against the Mystics. The Aces refused to show up for the game after flight delays (per news reports, the league doesn't allow charter flights).
Is Vegas the only city that hosts a WNBA team but not an NBA team?
I'd have to look up what cities have WNBA teams, but off the top of my head I can answer "no" because the Mystics played Seattle in the WNBA finals (we went to a game) and Seattle doesn't have an NBA team anymore. (Edited to add: I don't know whether they had the WNBA team before the SuperSonics left.)
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 19, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 19, 2019, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 07, 2018, 03:10:27 PM
I was not there, and I don't follow the WNBA, but I see the league announced the Las Vegas Aces forfeited last Friday night's game against the Mystics. The Aces refused to show up for the game after flight delays (per news reports, the league doesn't allow charter flights).
Is Vegas the only city that hosts a WNBA team but not an NBA team?
I'd have to look up what cities have WNBA teams, but off the top of my head I can answer "no" because the Mystics played Seattle in the WNBA finals (we went to a game) and Seattle doesn't have an NBA team anymore. (Edited to add: I don't know whether they had the WNBA team before the SuperSonics left.)
Connecticut has a WNBA team but has never had an NBA team
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 19, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 19, 2019, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 07, 2018, 03:10:27 PM
I was not there, and I don't follow the WNBA, but I see the league announced the Las Vegas Aces forfeited last Friday night's game against the Mystics. The Aces refused to show up for the game after flight delays (per news reports, the league doesn't allow charter flights).
Is Vegas the only city that hosts a WNBA team but not an NBA team?
I'd have to look up what cities have WNBA teams, but off the top of my head I can answer "no" because the Mystics played Seattle in the WNBA finals (we went to a game) and Seattle doesn't have an NBA team anymore. (Edited to add: I don't know whether they had the WNBA team before the SuperSonics left.)
Seattle's WNBA team was owned and operated by the Sonics before the latter moved. Right now, Las Vegas and Connecticut are WNBA teams in non-NBA cities. All NBA teams used to own the WNBA team in their market but now that's not necessarily true. The Chicago, Dallas and Atlanta WNBA teams have different owners than the NBA teams.
Quote from: ftballfan on February 19, 2019, 01:49:34 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 19, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 19, 2019, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 07, 2018, 03:10:27 PM
I was not there, and I don't follow the WNBA, but I see the league announced the Las Vegas Aces forfeited last Friday night's game against the Mystics. The Aces refused to show up for the game after flight delays (per news reports, the league doesn't allow charter flights).
Is Vegas the only city that hosts a WNBA team but not an NBA team?
I'd have to look up what cities have WNBA teams, but off the top of my head I can answer "no" because the Mystics played Seattle in the WNBA finals (we went to a game) and Seattle doesn't have an NBA team anymore. (Edited to add: I don't know whether they had the WNBA team before the SuperSonics left.)
Connecticut has a WNBA team but has never had an NBA team
Unless you count the Celtics because they used to play a few home games each year in Hartford (I wouldn't count that, but some hypertechnical types might).
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 19, 2019, 09:33:57 PM
Quote from: ftballfan on February 19, 2019, 01:49:34 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on February 19, 2019, 01:09:43 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on February 19, 2019, 12:46:34 PM
Quote from: 1995hoo on August 07, 2018, 03:10:27 PM
I was not there, and I don't follow the WNBA, but I see the league announced the Las Vegas Aces forfeited last Friday night's game against the Mystics. The Aces refused to show up for the game after flight delays (per news reports, the league doesn't allow charter flights).
Is Vegas the only city that hosts a WNBA team but not an NBA team?
I'd have to look up what cities have WNBA teams, but off the top of my head I can answer "no" because the Mystics played Seattle in the WNBA finals (we went to a game) and Seattle doesn't have an NBA team anymore. (Edited to add: I don't know whether they had the WNBA team before the SuperSonics left.)
Connecticut has a WNBA team but has never had an NBA team
Unless you count the Celtics because they used to play a few home games each year in Hartford (I wouldn't count that, but some hypertechnical types might).
That reminds me of how the Packers used to play 2-3 home games in Milwaukee every year when Milwaukee still had County Stadium, from when County Stadium was first built until they stopped playing there in 1994. It seems like quite a lot actually if you think about it, because of all the extra travel fans would have to make to Milwaukee (though it helps if you're from the region), and the games they took from Green Bay. That's 2-3 home games not played in their home stadium, out of the 7 or 8 each team had during the season.
I know they designate 2 home games a year to this day as priority for Milwaukee area fans due to the cessation of the County Stadium games.