I need some good stuff, I'm talking at least 40 years old. 4-Way signals, crouse-hinds art decos, worded pedestrian signals. What are some cities that still have ancient artifacts, any suggestions. Ian has named a few places for me, anyone else know of places that have some ancient artifacts. I know that Trenton is the king of old signals
Quote from: traffic light guy on June 09, 2018, 11:02:01 AM
I need some good stuff, I'm talking at least 40 years old. 4-Way signals, crouse-hinds art decos, worded pedestrian signals. What are some cities that still have ancient artifacts, any suggestions. Ian has named a few places for me, anyone else know of places that have some ancient artifacts. I know that Trenton is the king of old signals
Kansas City, MO has an Art-Deco signal
https://flic.kr/p/5oyDRE
The railroad museum in Cameron, MO has an old GE 4-Way that still operates when the museum is open.
https://flic.kr/p/25kxkDx
(there is a donut shop about half a mile north that has some older railroad signals)
There is a Darley flasher in Norborne, Missouri.
https://flic.kr/p/nS5H22
There is an autobody shop near Trumann, AR that has an old Darley that's still functional.
https://flic.kr/p/26fdhGQ
Clarksville, AR has an old 4-Way flasher
https://flic.kr/p/4v165y
Baxter Springs, KS has an old flasher, but I don't think it works anymore
https://flic.kr/p/a1Hyqr
Hamburg, AR has the state's last 4-way (to my knowledge)
https://flic.kr/p/YtkyQf
Oklahoma has lots of old 4-ways, mostly along the business routes
Hugo, Pawnee, Perry, Miami, Idadel
Some older post signals, as well in Muskogee
Athens, AL; Gadsden, AL; Fort Payne, AL; and Florence, AL all have plenty of old signals (especially the first three).
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.3931014,-78.9858105,3a,60y,23.02h,100.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skJgIM-r_rfJbSCkpE3cDFA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.3931014,-78.9858105,3a,60y,23.02h,100.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skJgIM-r_rfJbSCkpE3cDFA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Roxboro, NC used to have this old signal. It was unfortunately replaced with a four way stop.
Burlington, NC might have quite a few old signals but I'm not sure they're that old.
The Albany, NY area still has a lot of really old signals.
NYC, although they have replaced their signals over the past 6 decades, still love the old double guy mast arms that went out long before bell bottom pants did. So even though they are not old (unless NYC still has some left that are mast arms or signal heads from the 1950's) the style is still 1940 or 50 ish.
These look to be old...
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6121225,-77.3803391,3a,45.3y,144.93h,118.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQfxwp-7qL_-hOevjeXDDjg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.6121225,-77.3803391,3a,45.3y,144.93h,118.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQfxwp-7qL_-hOevjeXDDjg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
I know Greenville, NC has a lot of 8 inch signals that appear rather old, and I believe it's also home to the only 8-8-8-12 signal in North Carolina. I also believe it has one or two all 8 inch doghouses left. I could be wrong, though. I know for a fact I've seen them in NC though.
I can't seem to get the Youtube app to work on my phone, so I can't share my video for the time being. But here's some photos from the South Tacoma Way/Wilkeson St intersection in Tacoma, WA. Almost certainly one of the oldest signal setups in my area. All 8-inch signals (except for a relatively new PEEK arrow), and two-section ped heads with all word displays. Neither is common here, and all 8-inch displays are almost unheard of outside Seattle.
Three of the ped heads are clearly Eagle's, but not sure what the other one is. Also no idea who made the 8 inch signals. The are definitely not LED retrofits, like nearly all other signals in Tacoma.
(https://i.imgur.com/Skl2gKX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bEnjEvj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/G0gwkGR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SK0etPK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bgdZ8T3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9e6dxCE.jpg)
Seattle has a lot of very old signals still around. This beacon (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5509114,-122.2969702,3a,15y,97.1h,95.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNu5-j-1-pUexEmbCFiK2PA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) is probably one of the oldest, and Pioneer Square (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5983013,-122.3343042,3a,15y,189.79h,95.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssiJYxeCS012nmRK3-L3_Ww!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) also has quite a few very old installations, some of which don't even have pedestrian signals (very uncommon in Washington). This intersection (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6201881,-122.3025837,3a,15.5y,205.65h,88.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1supG0h2L-QDca_-DkF3P5KA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) has a full compliment of two-box word pedestrian signals, which not super common around here anymore (but certainly not unheard-of, even outside Seattle (https://www.google.com/maps/@48.1067399,-123.4024792,3a,34.6y,224.97h,90.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLcVXDhkfOmEJps2zrDsEcA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)).
Quote from: jakeroot on June 10, 2018, 02:29:42 AM
I can't seem to get the Youtube app to work on my phone, so I can't share my video for the time being. But here's some photos from the South Tacoma Way/Wilkeson St intersection in Tacoma, WA. Almost certainly one of the oldest signal setups in my area. All 8-inch signals (except for a relatively new PEEK arrow), and two-section ped heads with all word displays. Neither is common here, and all 8-inch displays are almost unheard of outside Seattle.
Three of the ped heads are clearly Eagle's, but not sure what the other one is. Also no idea who made the 8 inch signals. The are definitely not LED retrofits, like nearly all other signals in Tacoma.
(https://i.imgur.com/Skl2gKX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bEnjEvj.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/G0gwkGR.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SK0etPK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/bgdZ8T3.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9e6dxCE.jpg)
Second 9 inch ped is a Crouse-hinds Type R (I actually have one from the Pittsburg, PA area), and the 8 inch signals are "short-groove" Econolite signals. Nice finds!
Quote from: jay8g on June 10, 2018, 03:22:47 AM
Seattle has a lot of very old signals still around. This beacon (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5509114,-122.2969702,3a,15y,97.1h,95.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sNu5-j-1-pUexEmbCFiK2PA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) is probably one of the oldest, and Pioneer Square (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.5983013,-122.3343042,3a,15y,189.79h,95.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1ssiJYxeCS012nmRK3-L3_Ww!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) also has quite a few very old installations, some of which don't even have pedestrian signals (very uncommon in Washington). This intersection (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6201881,-122.3025837,3a,15.5y,205.65h,88.42t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1supG0h2L-QDca_-DkF3P5KA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en) has a full compliment of two-box word pedestrian signals, which not super common around here anymore (but certainly not unheard-of, even outside Seattle (https://www.google.com/maps/@48.1067399,-123.4024792,3a,34.6y,224.97h,90.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLcVXDhkfOmEJps2zrDsEcA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en)).
That beacon is an old Eagle 4-way. The signal on Pioneer Square that you posted is a Crouse-hinds "Art-deco" signal. The 9 inch pedestrian signals I'm not sure who made them (look to possibly be Econolite, but can't say for sure). The 12 inch worded pedestrian signals are some of those bulky Econolite pedestrian signals from the "Bullseye"-era. Nice finds as well!
Quote from: steviep24 on June 09, 2018, 09:24:48 PM
The Albany, NY area still has a lot of really old signals.
Uh, yeah. I live here and it's hard to go anywhere without seeing one. Troy in particular has a boatload of old 4-ways, at least one of which has a command lens for the yellow.
Gassaway, WV has two signalized intersections. Both have ancient 4-way signals with really sloppy controllers:
Signal Service Corporation signal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjWLtTA8Qu0
Darley with integrated timer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-NhZ3QGTos
Quote from: Bitmapped on June 11, 2018, 09:51:18 PM
Gassaway, WV has two signalized intersections. Both have ancient 4-way signals with really sloppy controllers:
Signal Service Corporation signal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GjWLtTA8Qu0
Darley with integrated timer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-NhZ3QGTos
Is the yellow bulb blown out, or is that because of the extremely sloppy controller?
Rahway, NJ used to have some pretty old ones. Even after painting the poles to green they still were old. I am not sure how many of them are left as along CR 613 (Grand Avenue) Union County replaced a lot of them with some of the latest Union County's own unique mast arms (part of the arm droops over the other side of the pole while sitting over the top of it rather than extend from it like normal) at many intersections. Do not know how many of the non county roads still have the old signal poles up yet.
Denver, Colorado still has a lot of 40+ year-old signals scattered around town -- A lot of 12-8-8s.
Quote from: thenetwork on June 13, 2018, 10:32:48 PM
Denver, Colorado still has a lot of 40+ year-old signals scattered around town -- A lot of 12-8-8s.
Has Denver been using all 12-inch signals since then? Most municipalities in Washington used 12-8-8 signals in some form until at least the early noughties. BC still installs 8-inch signals with regularity.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 14, 2018, 12:47:48 AM
Quote from: thenetwork on June 13, 2018, 10:32:48 PM
Denver, Colorado still has a lot of 40+ year-old signals scattered around town -- A lot of 12-8-8s.
Has Denver been using all 12-inch signals since then? Most municipalities in Washington used 12-8-8 signals in some form until at least the early noughties. BC still installs 8-inch signals with regularity.
Most of the signals in downtown and along the primary roads in the metro are full size. Overhead 12-8-8s are found mostly along secondary streets and at intersections where secondary lights are on vertical poles. I think it's a slow conversion that only happens when the old signals cannot be fixed, or if the intersection is upgraded/widened -- hence why you never know what to expect at any given intersection.
Even the backplates around some signals can vary widely from none at all to solid aluminum painted black (which was par for the course on Colorado signals going all the way back to the 60s).
(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1747/42808052081_7317bb563a_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28dNstt)Vashon Island Ferry Dock Directional Signal (https://flic.kr/p/28dNstt) by Arthur Allen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/116988743@N07/), on Flickr
At the ferry dock at the north end of Vashon Island. The backing sign has been updated, but there's no reason to update the actual signals. This style looks like the turn signal arrows pictured in the Washington State Driver's Training Guide.
360 degree image (https://goo.gl/maps/wTDPbwvcYsD2)
(I thought I recently saw an intersection in Pullman, Washington with new LED fat-arrow turn signal, but I can't find a view of it.)
Seattle's historic Pioneer Square district still has some old signals in use :) Check these out at the intersection of 2nd and James. I will try to get some better photos of them the next time I am in that area.
(https://i.imgur.com/8ch2AI7.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PdDrhas.jpg)
this one in Chicago still has a old electro-mechanical controller
https://goo.gl/maps/UyDf3wsCukC2
Towns in MA like to sometimes keep their old ground-mounted signals from the 1950s/60s. This is especially true in more affluent towns (Longmeadow, Amherst, the nice parts of Pittsfield) and on the Cape (probably to keep them from getting downed by noreasters.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on October 22, 2018, 08:03:32 AM
Towns in MA like to sometimes keep their old ground-mounted signals from the 1950s/60s. This is especially true in more affluent towns (Longmeadow, Amherst, the nice parts of Pittsfield) and on the Cape (probably to keep them from getting downed by noreasters.
Amherst has added overhead signals to its ground-mounted over the years. This was most welcome at MA 116 and MA 63 some years back. Used to just have pedestal signals there!
Amherst had also re-evaluated where its signals are, especially after the demolition of UMass' Frat Row, removing a set at the top of Fearing Street.
A pair of old ones in Newark, DE!
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6747763,-75.7566509,3a,75y,279.18h,84.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIebqGuIxldetK0ivam0KLA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
There are also several around the greater area especially in the Christiana region. It's not at all uncommon to see lights like this hanging from crossed wires over the street.
Found some interesting signals in Cumberland MD when I went the weekend before last, but only had one photo:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/HJH2cEj.jpg)
Also, PA-23 near US-202, Bridgeport, PA (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.106034,-75.3499953,3a,15.4y,260.2h,96.34t%3Cbr%20/%3E/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5z9051gc2Vc884yP2uNhtA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Quote from: ipeters61 on October 22, 2018, 06:51:02 PM
Found some interesting signals in Cumberland MD when I went the weekend before last, but only had one photo:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/HJH2cEj.jpg)
Also, PA-23 near US-202, Bridgeport, PA (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.106034,-75.3499953,3a,15.4y,260.2h,96.34t%3Cbr%20/%3E/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5z9051gc2Vc884yP2uNhtA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Looks like a Crouse-Hinds Type R
LG-M327
Quote from: mrcmc888 on October 22, 2018, 05:56:55 PM
A pair of old ones in Newark, DE!
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6747763,-75.7566509,3a,75y,279.18h,84.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIebqGuIxldetK0ivam0KLA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
There are also several around the greater area especially in the Christiana region. It's not at all uncommon to see lights like this hanging from crossed wires over the street.
Those look like modern Peek signals, though likely installed prior to any LED upgrades in that region based on the incandescent yellows.
Also, I observed quite a few old signals in the Reno, NV and Sacramento, CA areas, though all with LEDs.
Birmingham, AL also has quite a few old signals.
Was reading a comprehensive plan for Marshallton, Delaware just now and they mentioned this one intersection had some of the oldest signals in the state (Old Capitol Trail at Newport Road): https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7293851,-75.6354737,3a,75y,157.16h,89.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT6p_U-REZn124SRpVHNcsQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Spring Garden Street in Philadelphia has plenty of oldies (Eagles, Crouse-Hinds Type Ms, Marbelites, Crouse-Hinds Type Rs, Highway Signal & Sign Co, and Econolite Bull's-eyes) It cosigns Broad Street for being one of the few areas in Philly that has signals that were installed over 40 years ago:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9640347,-75.1743273,3a,29.5y,156.17h,96.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFkt-6JIEhGnaqxpw8C6npA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9636125,-75.170897,3a,75y,348.29h,87.62t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sZ9nuEKvJp9At6rehPZsSJw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9635528,-75.169568,3a,37.5y,25.35h,90.81t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sdzRGce1gOIuinZn-Rwg58g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9632208,-75.1677479,3a,37.5y,134h,94.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb-hXzRYLl9oXHOUcLpYjSw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9630116,-75.166101,3a,75y,154.34h,90.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suyZVgS8Z0wfNw4GcgugKNg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9629683,-75.1646515,3a,59.7y,283.46h,94.55t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUA41t6MzMbQYcgqb2Awz4g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9617736,-75.1577386,3a,75y,39.2h,85.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSFK_e6pvhwyXat4ZTcuN2A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9617244,-75.1545749,3a,15y,328.28h,94.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sq7wpA6Tmmzx5UOQUbqcvFQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9605758,-75.1413978,3a,75y,131.52h,86.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s8zU-OEvHkBv4WTwF0nlQYA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9609137,-75.1434653,3a,75y,19.99h,78.78t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGpC4xMqMjd96kr79r4g3ug!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
The pale Econolite Bullseye is driving me nuts:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9612116,-75.1466568,3a,15y,354.93h,92.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQqMyPnbRg_yzLSbxooFWkQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en&authuser=0
Yup, hopefully I can go down here and get pictures of these setups before they get replaced by trash
Quote from: ipeters61 on November 02, 2018, 02:33:57 PM
Was reading a comprehensive plan for Marshallton, Delaware just now and they mentioned this one intersection had some of the oldest signals in the state (Old Capitol Trail at Newport Road): https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7293851,-75.6354737,3a,75y,157.16h,89.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT6p_U-REZn124SRpVHNcsQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
One of the signal heads is actually pretty rare, some weird 1st Gen prototype of the 12" Eagle Signal
Quote from: ipeters61 on November 02, 2018, 02:33:57 PM
Was reading a comprehensive plan for Marshallton, Delaware just now and they mentioned this one intersection had some of the oldest signals in the state (Old Capitol Trail at Newport Road): https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7293851,-75.6354737,3a,75y,157.16h,89.33t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sT6p_U-REZn124SRpVHNcsQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
What's also interesting is that the signals are near-sided, similar to Europe. Most American signals are posted across the intersection.
These signals (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9004572,-75.3326206,3a,75y,229.29h,70.43t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slzrAnBUFo1vfSBiF-URofQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in Rutledge/Ridley (Delaware County), PA at the intersection of Morton & Swarthmore Aves. are probably the oldest signalheads near where I reside. These are probably from the 1960s or early 70s at the latest.
In my hometown of Marblehead, MA at the intersection of Atlantic Ave. (MA 129) & Clifton Ave.; two of these signalheads (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4820668,-70.8768768,3a,75y,231.47h,74.85t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sC-9jhYbzIl5FahcxfgcV1w!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DC-9jhYbzIl5FahcxfgcV1w%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D213.04773%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) are the original ones when this intersection became signalized circa 1970-71. If one clicks back to earlier GSVs; one sees the original older signalheads. As a kid, I remember when these were first erected (back then, I didn't live too far away from this intersection).
These signalheads (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5358112,-70.9222574,3a,75y,344.82h,85.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sY9Kui2zCkPHsgySIWFBHBg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) at the intersection of Gardner St. (MA 114) & Abington Ave. & Seneca Rd. in Peabody date back to probably the 1960s; these have always been there as long as I can remember.
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 05, 2018, 03:12:43 PM
These signalheads (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5358112,-70.9222574,3a,75y,344.82h,85.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sY9Kui2zCkPHsgySIWFBHBg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) at the intersection of Gardner St. (MA 114) & Abington Ave. & Seneca Rd. in Peabody date back to probably the 1960s; these have always been there as long as I can remember.
I'm loving that old pedestrian signal, as well.
Downtown New London, CT still has some ancient 8" signals that at least date back to the early-mid 70's, if not earlier. This set on Bank Street has been there as long as I can remember and I'm 40.
https://www.google.com/maps/@41.3512181,-72.0976355,3a,30y,50.06h,94.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGm_q4IGf-QJWD2Z73iSf3Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
If you go farther down, there is even a set facing in the opposite direction back when Bank Street was still 2-way traffic. They re-configured Bank Street back in the 80's to be one way after this intersection.
Not sure how old these are, but I stumbled upon this interesting light assembly (the 5 light stack) in Street View in Rocky Hill CT (intersection of CT-3 and CT-160 East): https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6582226,-72.6781414,3a,15.1y,297.91h,94.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAQPnGzZJsFqD1YnsjhT0VQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: ipeters61 on November 11, 2018, 07:54:18 AM
Not sure how old these are, but I stumbled upon this interesting light assembly (the 5 light stack) in Street View in Rocky Hill CT (intersection of CT-3 and CT-160 East): https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6582226,-72.6781414,3a,15.1y,297.91h,94.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAQPnGzZJsFqD1YnsjhT0VQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I'm guessing CONNDOT changed the lane assignments at some point with necessitated a dual-phase left arrow element.
While this signalhead along PA 420 in Morton, Delaware County is old (from the 60s, perhaps?) the green arrow lens was replaced a few years ago... sometime between 2008 and 2012. Here's a 2007 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9080977,-75.3273517,3a,75y,63.71h,76.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swkdUotWlJba-VNHvcQvZPQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664) of that same signalhead with the original triangular-shaped green arrow lens.
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 30, 2018, 09:10:50 AM
While this signalhead along PA 420 in Morton, Delaware County is old (from the 60s, perhaps?) the green arrow lens was replaced a few years ago... sometime between 2008 and 2012. Here's a 2007 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9080977,-75.3273517,3a,75y,63.71h,76.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swkdUotWlJba-VNHvcQvZPQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664) of that same signalhead with the original triangular-shaped green arrow lens.
There was another one similar to this in Cheltenham:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.082933,-75.1708196,3a,75y,254.6h,78.61t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D326.8136%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100?hl=en&authuser=0
Quote from: traffic light guy on December 03, 2018, 09:37:57 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 30, 2018, 09:10:50 AM
While this signalhead along PA 420 in Morton, Delaware County is old (from the 60s, perhaps?) the green arrow lens was replaced a few years ago... sometime between 2008 and 2012. Here's a 2007 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9080977,-75.3273517,3a,75y,63.71h,76.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swkdUotWlJba-VNHvcQvZPQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664) of that same signalhead with the original triangular-shaped green arrow lens.
There was another one similar to this in Cheltenham:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.082933,-75.1708196,3a,75y,254.6h,78.61t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D326.8136%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100?hl=en&authuser=0
What I find puzzling, unnecessary and potentially dangerous is the circular red in the left signal in conjunction with the green left and thru arrows. Is this perhaps a malfunction? ( I don't expect you to know this answer. But if anyone knows, I'd love to hear) No other GMSV images have the green left arrow illuminated, so I'm not sure if the left signal is supposed to have a permanent red. Still, why??
Quote from: signalman on December 04, 2018, 09:25:08 AM
What I find puzzling, unnecessary and potentially dangerous is the circular red in the left signal in conjunction with the green left and thru arrows. Is this perhaps a malfunction? ( I don't expect you to know this answer. But if anyone knows, I'd love to hear) No other GMSV images have the green left arrow illuminated, so I'm not sure if the left signal is supposed to have a permanent red. Still, why??
I have heard about this before, but I can't remember where else (maybe just southeastern PA), it is quite a bizarre design decision.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on November 29, 2018, 11:15:15 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on November 11, 2018, 07:54:18 AM
Not sure how old these are, but I stumbled upon this interesting light assembly (the 5 light stack) in Street View in Rocky Hill CT (intersection of CT-3 and CT-160 East): https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6582226,-72.6781414,3a,15.1y,297.91h,94.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAQPnGzZJsFqD1YnsjhT0VQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I'm guessing CONNDOT changed the lane assignments at some point with necessitated a dual-phase left arrow element.
Close (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6583402,-72.6780314,3a,25.8y,265.71h,89.02t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sig_TpbC4f96PM0ughg-D0g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) - allows for continuous rights on red (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.6583502,-72.6782311,3a,55.5y,269.47h,87.23t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suWn6cejOt8WTVdviXwLawQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) while intersection is open to protected lefts from cross traffic, I guess.
Quote from: traffic light guy on December 03, 2018, 09:37:57 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 30, 2018, 09:10:50 AM
While this signalhead along PA 420 in Morton, Delaware County is old (from the 60s, perhaps?) the green arrow lens was replaced a few years ago... sometime between 2008 and 2012. Here's a 2007 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9080977,-75.3273517,3a,75y,63.71h,76.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swkdUotWlJba-VNHvcQvZPQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664) of that same signalhead with the original triangular-shaped green arrow lens.
There was another one similar to this in Cheltenham:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.082933,-75.1708196,3a,75y,254.6h,78.61t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D326.8136%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100?hl=en&authuser=0
12" broad arrows... Nice find!
Quote from: busman_49 on December 05, 2018, 07:14:17 AM
Quote from: traffic light guy on December 03, 2018, 09:37:57 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 30, 2018, 09:10:50 AM
While this signalhead along PA 420 in Morton, Delaware County is old (from the 60s, perhaps?) the green arrow lens was replaced a few years ago... sometime between 2008 and 2012. Here's a 2007 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9080977,-75.3273517,3a,75y,63.71h,76.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swkdUotWlJba-VNHvcQvZPQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664) of that same signalhead with the original triangular-shaped green arrow lens.
12" broad arrows... Nice find!
There was another one similar to this in Cheltenham:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.082933,-75.1708196,3a,75y,254.6h,78.61t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D326.8136%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100?hl=en&authuser=0
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Quote from: traffic light guy on December 05, 2018, 11:43:09 AM
Quote from: busman_49 on December 05, 2018, 07:14:17 AM
Quote from: traffic light guy on December 03, 2018, 09:37:57 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 30, 2018, 09:10:50 AM
While this signalhead along PA 420 in Morton, Delaware County is old (from the 60s, perhaps?) the green arrow lens was replaced a few years ago... sometime between 2008 and 2012. Here's a 2007 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9080977,-75.3273517,3a,75y,63.71h,76.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swkdUotWlJba-VNHvcQvZPQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664) of that same signalhead with the original triangular-shaped green arrow lens.
12" broad arrows... Nice find!
There was another one similar to this in Cheltenham:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.082933,-75.1708196,3a,75y,254.6h,78.61t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D326.8136%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100?hl=en&authuser=0
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Those remind of the arrows I see in the UK. Did not know we had any like that in the US.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fbeno.org.uk%2Ftrafficlight%2Fw29.jpg&hash=73dd5959916df23fe765dddb633493e119f45508)
I've only seen one signal like that here in the US, at least in WA. A u-turn arrow where everything except the arrow was blacked out. Was this how broad arrows worked?
(https://i.imgur.com/tM56Ntf.jpg)
Quote from: traffic light guy on December 03, 2018, 09:37:57 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 30, 2018, 09:10:50 AM
While this signalhead along PA 420 in Morton, Delaware County is old (from the 60s, perhaps?) the green arrow lens was replaced a few years ago... sometime between 2008 and 2012. Here's a 2007 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9080977,-75.3273517,3a,75y,63.71h,76.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swkdUotWlJba-VNHvcQvZPQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664) of that same signalhead with the original triangular-shaped green arrow lens.
There was another one similar to this in Cheltenham:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.082933,-75.1708196,3a,75y,254.6h,78.61t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D326.8136%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100?hl=en&authuser=0
I guess I just never noticed weird traffic signals when I was younger and saw the progress and eventual completion of the 309 reconstruction. Considering that Easton Road was reconstructed all the way down to that intersection, I'm surprised that the light survived at all. Probably because only the portion carrying PA 152 from 309 to Limekiln Pike is actually owned by PennDOT. Which is weird, since they own Wadsworth Avenue inside the city.
Certainly a very strange signal setup. I wonder if the red light on that left turn signal ever actually goes off. Even weirder is the right turn restriction from Easton Road into the cemetery even though it's not one-way. (Traffic exiting the shopping center can go straight through into it.)
I couldn't tell you the year, but I remember when I was younger that this signal (https://goo.gl/maps/PrB2cHu3yTt) at US 422 and PA 501 in Myerstown had the solid triangle arrow. You can just barely make it out in this 2008 Street view (https://goo.gl/maps/MeAaG7PorkQ2). Even after they replaced at least the signal face not long after that Street View was taken, it was still the rare old type of signal where the red stayed lit during the arrow phase. (There's still at least one example of this on PA 72 at Dillerville Road in Lancaster.) Recently, the whole intersection was reconstructed, and all the signals were replaced with modern mast arms, signals, and FYAs for the new turning lanes on 501.
Quote from: Roadsguy on December 09, 2018, 01:45:26 PM
Quote from: traffic light guy on December 03, 2018, 09:37:57 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on November 30, 2018, 09:10:50 AM
While this signalhead along PA 420 in Morton, Delaware County is old (from the 60s, perhaps?) the green arrow lens was replaced a few years ago... sometime between 2008 and 2012. Here's a 2007 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9080977,-75.3273517,3a,75y,63.71h,76.87t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swkdUotWlJba-VNHvcQvZPQ!2e0!7i3328!8i1664) of that same signalhead with the original triangular-shaped green arrow lens.
There was another one similar to this in Cheltenham:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.082933,-75.1708196,3a,75y,254.6h,78.61t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DXjNU9dZp6wdl6gVMtXxmmw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D326.8136%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100?hl=en&authuser=0
I guess I just never noticed weird traffic signals when I was younger and saw the progress and eventual completion of the 309 reconstruction. Considering that Easton Road was reconstructed all the way down to that intersection, I'm surprised that the light survived at all. Probably because only the portion carrying PA 152 from 309 to Limekiln Pike is actually owned by PennDOT. Which is weird, since they own Wadsworth Avenue inside the city.
Certainly a very strange signal setup. I wonder if the red light on that left turn signal ever actually goes off. Even weirder is the right turn restriction from Easton Road into the cemetery even though it's not one-way. (Traffic exiting the shopping center can go straight through into it.)
I couldn't tell you the year, but I remember when I was younger that this signal (https://goo.gl/maps/PrB2cHu3yTt) at US 422 and PA 501 in Myerstown had the solid triangle arrow. You can just barely make it out in this 2008 Street view (https://goo.gl/maps/MeAaG7PorkQ2). Even after they replaced at least the signal face not long after that Street View was taken, it was still the rare old type of signal where the red stayed lit during the arrow phase. (There's still at least one example of this on PA 72 at Dillerville Road in Lancaster.) Recently, the whole intersection was reconstructed, and all the signals were replaced with modern mast arms, signals, and FYAs for the new turning lanes on 501.
The signals at that ceaderbrook center are the oldest signals within a 20 mile radius of philly. According to a document I received from PennDOT the signal construction was in 1965. As for the broad arrows, they used to be very common, until MUTCD practices came into play.
There is another setup that had the 24/7 red, it is in Northeast Philly, I heard the controller is not wired like that no more:
The two with the broad arrows are 60s-vinatage. This setup was installed in the 1980's/early 90s:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0418288,-75.0883271,3a,75y,234.7h,86.3t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVybAHeO7bbNS5uGJ_4Uctg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Levittown also had 24/7 red ball/green arrow configuration from the 70's, with old 3Ms:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.1655189,-74.8417477,3a,75y,55.21h,90.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIFqTvTO3DrM67Ht0MZdlCA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
These have since been removed, and replaced by boring McCains.
Here's an interesting assembly in Wilkes Barre PA: https://www.google.com/maps/@41.2373656,-75.8829309,3a,56.2y,92.27h,97.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shcrZFcaGWMDJqvQjFNAMhg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Lower Merion Township is one of the last areas in District 6 that has signal equpiment that was installed over 40 years ago:
Several intersections still have worded pedestrian signals:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0039388,-75.2347412,3a,75y,190.71h,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1scEhYc3sAR5aqZ3M-Pp_9tw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DcEhYc3sAR5aqZ3M-Pp_9tw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D188.23976%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.00182,-75.2399396,3a,75y,340.09h,79.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAGVIRaMWfWx77ws3VXWJmg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0114752,-75.2424249,3a,75y,262.74h,89.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sb_FEzE581p5uGsXX7Y-aDQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
There are two intersections that have the really old 12" Eagle Flatback doghouse (I don't think PennDOT had any doghouses before these went up)
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0184048,-75.2400288,3a,15y,226.9h,94.17t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sR71SUpQaIR9wneuTy_cAVA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo0.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DR71SUpQaIR9wneuTy_cAVA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D313.39435%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0157835,-75.2293157,3a,28.7y,87.85h,91.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFb4Kx-wCqvzrJVb0uvkftA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.015856,-75.2293424,3a,30y,113.74h,88.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sH5JV4c7AVQSo1YXBIzQ9Sw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Several intersections in a row along US 30 have antique eagleluxes:
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0064982,-75.2881447,3a,31.6y,167.41h,99.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4zAYbM7V7nzVI4tEvFvstw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0018884,-75.2779136,3a,34.5y,112.54h,96.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sU_grHB4qUVyqtvquPQzy9g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9955417,-75.2679594,3a,15y,181.95h,90.21t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDoLtZW5xvugxH-hORZZPEA!2e0!5s20110601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.013179,-75.3014935,3a,28.1y,46.07h,95.2t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1silhWOJkGKKzAmT-4G-EOXw!2e0!5s20160601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0149004,-75.3049297,3a,25.6y,355.47h,88.87t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1swvc9wTeWfJQYOpOOcxP7EQ!2e0!5s20160601T000000!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@40.0207341,-75.3166932,3a,15y,354.57h,92.34t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s59eSlYEmCy_OKzBASV-9_w!2e0!5s20071001T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Found another example in northern Delaware, at the crosswalk at Brandywine High School: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8003149,-75.5224346,3a,37.5y,9.67h,96.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soC9mv1Eaux7ttRaushl7UA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: ipeters61 on January 22, 2019, 10:49:40 AM
Found another example in northern Delaware, at the crosswalk at Brandywine High School: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8003149,-75.5224346,3a,37.5y,9.67h,96.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soC9mv1Eaux7ttRaushl7UA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I guess putting a signal on the mast would have been far too ridiculous, so they just crammed two onto one mount. Awesome. :-/
Quote from: jakeroot on January 22, 2019, 09:13:03 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on January 22, 2019, 10:49:40 AM
Found another example in northern Delaware, at the crosswalk at Brandywine High School: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8003149,-75.5224346,3a,37.5y,9.67h,96.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soC9mv1Eaux7ttRaushl7UA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I guess putting a signal on the mast would have been far too ridiculous, so they just crammed two onto one mount. Awesome. :-/
In Renton, they converted a crosswalk mast into a signal, and got this (https://goo.gl/maps/SLH13BxNuwT2).
Reminds me of this assembly in Swarthmore PA: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8920043,-75.3530102,3a,75y,17.88h,79.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sets-_UBRttN8Hs7MSnnqcA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: ipeters61 on January 23, 2019, 12:08:39 PM
Reminds me of this assembly in Swarthmore PA: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8920043,-75.3530102,3a,75y,17.88h,79.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sets-_UBRttN8Hs7MSnnqcA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Not to mention that the side street, Harvard Avenue, has only one 8-inch assembly facing it that must be for pedestrians (one-way away from the intersection).
Quote from: Brandon on January 23, 2019, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on January 23, 2019, 12:08:39 PM
Reminds me of this assembly in Swarthmore PA: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8920043,-75.3530102,3a,75y,17.88h,79.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sets-_UBRttN8Hs7MSnnqcA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Not to mention that the side street, Harvard Avenue, has only one 8-inch assembly facing it that must be for pedestrians (one-way away from the intersection).
It's one-way (going the other direction), so I think it's more of a pedestrian signal.
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on January 23, 2019, 11:30:40 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 22, 2019, 09:13:03 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on January 22, 2019, 10:49:40 AM
Found another example in northern Delaware, at the crosswalk at Brandywine High School: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8003149,-75.5224346,3a,37.5y,9.67h,96.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soC9mv1Eaux7ttRaushl7UA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I guess putting a signal on the mast would have been far too ridiculous, so they just crammed two onto one mount. Awesome. :-/
In Renton, they converted a crosswalk mast into a signal, and got this (https://goo.gl/maps/SLH13BxNuwT2).
I've seen similarly spaced signals used for protected left turns in some cases. Here's an example in Leesburg, Virginia: https://goo.gl/maps/2b7bAzWCJAK2
Quote from: seicer on January 23, 2019, 01:12:09 PM
Quote from: Brandon on January 23, 2019, 01:09:58 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on January 23, 2019, 12:08:39 PM
Reminds me of this assembly in Swarthmore PA: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8920043,-75.3530102,3a,75y,17.88h,79.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sets-_UBRttN8Hs7MSnnqcA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Not to mention that the side street, Harvard Avenue, has only one 8-inch assembly facing it that must be for pedestrians (one-way away from the intersection).
It's one-way (going the other direction), so I think it's more of a pedestrian signal.
This is the correct answer. Many intersections throughout Pennsylvania will use 8" RYG heads in lieu of pedestrian signals.
Quote from: Ian on January 23, 2019, 01:27:12 PM
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on January 23, 2019, 11:30:40 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 22, 2019, 09:13:03 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on January 22, 2019, 10:49:40 AM
Found another example in northern Delaware, at the crosswalk at Brandywine High School: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8003149,-75.5224346,3a,37.5y,9.67h,96.9t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soC9mv1Eaux7ttRaushl7UA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I guess putting a signal on the mast would have been far too ridiculous, so they just crammed two onto one mount. Awesome. :-/
In Renton, they converted a crosswalk mast into a signal, and got this (https://goo.gl/maps/SLH13BxNuwT2).
I've seen similarly spaced signals used for protected left turns in some cases. Here's an example in Leesburg, Virginia: https://goo.gl/maps/2b7bAzWCJAK2
That Leesburg example (and a similar example in IL (http://bit.ly/2CK3ssa)) bothers me less than the Renton example. Only because, they aren't the only signals for that movement. Yes, the point of two signals is for burned-out bulbs, but since the advent of LED, their primary purpose has really been focused on improving signal visibility (written or unwritten). Having two right next to each other severely reduces the chance that you'd be able to see one, if the other was blocked.
Quote from: jakeroot on January 24, 2019, 01:22:23 AM
Yes, the point of two signals is for burned-out bulbs, but since the advent of LED, their primary purpose has really been focused on improving signal visibility (written or unwritten).
I've never been big on that rationale. I've seen a few cases of whole LED stoplight aspects flickering or being completely out.
Quote from: kphoger on January 24, 2019, 02:04:45 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 24, 2019, 01:22:23 AM
Yes, the point of two signals is for burned-out bulbs, but since the advent of LED, their primary purpose has really been focused on improving signal visibility (written or unwritten).
I've never been big on that rationale. I've seen a few cases of whole LED stoplight aspects flickering or being completely out.
Wait. So, you're for or against more than the minimum number of signals? I would think that, if you notice LED's having frequent technical issues, you'd want more of them as backup.
I
hope your not implying that you prefer incandescent bulbs. Those things are a massive waste of energy, and burn out way too quickly. I see burned out bulbs in DC constantly, way more than I see LED's having technical issues.
Quote from: jakeroot on January 24, 2019, 02:44:41 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 24, 2019, 02:04:45 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 24, 2019, 01:22:23 AM
Yes, the point of two signals is for burned-out bulbs, but since the advent of LED, their primary purpose has really been focused on improving signal visibility (written or unwritten).
I've never been big on that rationale. I've seen a few cases of whole LED stoplight aspects flickering or being completely out.
Wait. So, you're for or against more than the minimum number of signals? I would think that, if you notice LED's having frequent technical issues, you'd want more of them as backup.
I hope your not implying that you prefer incandescent bulbs. Those things are a massive waste of energy, and burn out way too quickly. I see burned out bulbs in DC constantly, way more than I see LED's having technical issues.
I'm in favor of redundant signals for every movement.
I'm also in favor of LED
if they figure out how to melt snow and ice buildup. We recently had a minor snow and ice storm here, and all the north-facing signals were covered for a day or two. I witnessed many drivers blowing through red lights because they had no idea the light was red. (Why they didn't slow down or stop–as they should whenever a signal is dark–is another question, but I saw what I saw.) And the majority of those signals were incandescent, which means LED signals would have done an even
worse job of melting the ice.
But my point was that I don't think redundancy should be considered a non-issue just because LEDs are coming into vogue. The reason is that I've seen LED signals fail. And most of them were newer installations.
Quote from: kphoger on January 24, 2019, 02:53:04 PM
I'm also in favor of LED if they figure out how to melt snow and ice buildup.
This type of visor was developed to greatly help with that: https://goo.gl/maps/77qsUuvULtr
I forget which state developed it, but NJ and DE are heavily using them now.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 24, 2019, 03:01:58 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 24, 2019, 02:53:04 PM
I'm also in favor of LED if they figure out how to melt snow and ice buildup.
This type of visor was developed to greatly help with that: https://goo.gl/maps/77qsUuvULtr
I forget which state developed it, but NJ and DE are heavily using them now.
With the wind we have here, visors don't help all that much.
For reference,
here is one of the signals (https://goo.gl/maps/QuP5kgwNfAt) I specifically remember being completely covered in snow and ice with drivers running the red.
Quote from: kphoger on January 24, 2019, 03:05:59 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on January 24, 2019, 03:01:58 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 24, 2019, 02:53:04 PM
I'm also in favor of LED if they figure out how to melt snow and ice buildup.
This type of visor was developed to greatly help with that: https://goo.gl/maps/77qsUuvULtr
I forget which state developed it, but NJ and DE are heavily using them now.
With the wind we have here, visors don't help all that much.
For reference, here is one of the signals (https://goo.gl/maps/QuP5kgwNfAt) I specifically remember being completely covered in snow and ice with drivers running the red.
I think the wind blows thru the visor 'scoop', helping move the snow away.
https://www.mccain-inc.com/products/signals/signal-accessories/scoop-tunnel-visor
Colorado was where it was first developed and tested.
Heated signals are in existence for this problem. example: https://products.currentbyge.com/transportation-lighting/led-traffic-signals/gtx-heated-shell
Quote from: Big John on January 24, 2019, 03:26:01 PM
Heated signals are in existence for this problem. example: https://products.currentbyge.com/transportation-lighting/led-traffic-signals/gtx-heated-shell
Is there any state or agency using them? How much do they cost compared to a normal light...and how effective is the heating element?
Quote from: Big John on January 24, 2019, 03:26:01 PM
Heated signals are in existence for this problem. example: https://products.currentbyge.com/transportation-lighting/led-traffic-signals/gtx-heated-shell
I'm aware they exist. But are they actually being installed?
Quote from: kphoger on January 24, 2019, 03:31:12 PM
Quote from: Big John on January 24, 2019, 03:26:01 PM
Heated signals are in existence for this problem. example: https://products.currentbyge.com/transportation-lighting/led-traffic-signals/gtx-heated-shell
I'm aware they exist. But are they actually being installed?
Their site had a 'customer success story' link. Numerous stories about building lighting and other various applications, but they didn't have a single story regarding their traffic lights.
Quote from: kphoger on January 24, 2019, 02:53:04 PM
I'm in favor of redundant signals for every movement.
I'm also in favor of LED if they figure out how to melt snow and ice buildup. We recently had a minor snow and ice storm here, and all the north-facing signals were covered for a day or two. I witnessed many drivers blowing through red lights because they had no idea the light was red. (Why they didn't slow down or stop–as they should whenever a signal is dark–is another question, but I saw what I saw.) And the majority of those signals were incandescent, which means LED signals would have done an even worse job of melting the ice.
But my point was that I don't think redundancy should be considered a non-issue just because LEDs are coming into vogue. The reason is that I've seen LED signals fail. And most of them were newer installations.
Ahh, sorry. Misunderstood. I am also for redundancy (lots of it, preferably). It had just been my understanding that its original purpose in places like Illinois was not only for better visibility, but also in case one or more signals burned out. Since that particular issue isn't quite what it was, extra signals these days are really more about improving visibility, instead of providing backup.
I have heard about the snow issue, but it seems to me that burned out bulbs are (probably) more often problematic than snow-socked lenses.
Quote from: ipeters61 on January 23, 2019, 12:08:39 PM
Reminds me of this assembly in Swarthmore PA: https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8920043,-75.3530102,3a,75y,17.88h,79.46t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sets-_UBRttN8Hs7MSnnqcA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Believe it or not, those signalheads are relatively recent. Here's the signalheads from a GSV circa 2007 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8920985,-75.352915,3a,75y,272.23h,85.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s7j_dArmR8ucSHAy9WPOWtA!2e0!7i3328!8i1664). Interestingly, the older ones were 12-inchers.
Quote from: jakeroot on January 24, 2019, 05:16:18 PM
I have heard about the snow issue, but it seems to me that burned out bulbs are (probably) more often problematic than snow-socked lenses.
As long as there is redundancy, a burnt-out bulb causes no issues. But, even with loads of redundancy, blowing snow can make every single signal in one direction functionally dark.
Quote from: kphoger on January 25, 2019, 02:16:09 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on January 24, 2019, 05:16:18 PM
I have heard about the snow issue, but it seems to me that burned out bulbs are (probably) more often problematic than snow-socked lenses.
As long as there is redundancy, a burnt-out bulb causes no issues. But, even with loads of redundancy, blowing snow can make every single signal in one direction functionally dark.
Burned out bulbs are fine, as long as another signal is visible. Even with redundancy, that's not always the case. Ideally, all signals should function normally all the time.
Regardless, the best option is for more inventive visors, like those with scoops, or those with shields. Alternatively, coating the signals with some sort of water-repellent. Ultimately, all of these solutions will be cheaper than maintaining incandescent signals.
There are quite a few fixed 4-way signals in Michigan:
Croswell, MI (Crouse-Hinds type M)
https://youtube.com/shorts/dOPqZxOzEpY?si=M8e4-qALT5Tugywk
East Tawas, MI (Sargent Sowell, in permanent flashing mode)
https://youtube.com/shorts/_2oORRj8QZE?si=Hy2B7B2V-UTHhJRn
East Lansing, MI (Eagle beacon, and it's actually the closest 4-way signal to where I live)
https://youtu.be/zsuzvNSeeJg?si=hyrlO2W4uaCL2Q4i
Onsted, MI (Sargent Sowell beacon)
https://youtu.be/0QxhQMc-200?si=n_p0_Ee-KrlA3s3i
Has anyone ever documented this rare type L Marbelite signal before:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7895/33251183418_010f4aae6a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SEi1nQ)12-inch Marbelite Type L (https://flic.kr/p/SEi1nQ) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
I found this in Oak Lane (A neighborhood in northwest Philly), and this is the only one of these type L signal heads that I know of. I was told by other signalgeeks that this was a prototype of the regular 12-inch Marbelite head that was manufactured later on. I tried doing a few google searches, and nothing came up except for my photos. I think I'm the first person to ever document such a rare signal breed! The housing looks like a weird blend between the marbelite flattop and the Crouse-Hinds type H.
Here are a few more videos of mine of 4-way signals in Michigan:
Darley 4-way beacon in Maple Rapids: https://youtu.be/1YtBJS-fqB8
Another Darley 4-way beacon in Hubbardston: https://youtu.be/6A872gECiUw
Marbelite 4-way beacon in Westphalia: https://youtu.be/HDcPI45SAro
Quote from: CJResotko on February 22, 2019, 06:23:01 PM
Here are a few more videos of mine of 4-way signals in Michigan:
Darley 4-way beacon in Maple Rapids: https://youtu.be/1YtBJS-fqB8
Another Darley 4-way beacon in Hubbardston: https://youtu.be/6A872gECiUw
Marbelite 4-way beacon in Westphalia: https://youtu.be/HDcPI45SAro
Nice beacons, especially the Darleys. Funny thing about my area, my area is filled with tons of ancient single faced signals, but no 4-ways. I've also noticed that I'm the only signalgeek who lives somewhere where mast-arms are used more often than span wires.
Here are a few extremely old signals in my area:
Here are a few ancient single-faced 12-inch Crouse-Hinds type Ms:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7868/32184472427_9da2276d25_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R32Qn2)12-inch Crouse-Hinds type M (https://flic.kr/p/R32Qn2) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Here's another type M, this one has tunnel visors:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7913/33251261208_c7ffb378f6_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SEipv3)12-inch Crouse-Hinds type M (https://flic.kr/p/SEipv3) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Here's a third type M, except this one is mounted overhead, instead of on the side like the others:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7827/46403098064_1fa6d642e6_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dGu1oU)12-inch Crouse-Hinds type M (https://flic.kr/p/2dGu1oU) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
One intersection has these two square-door bull's eyes:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7808/40161625203_f8d9cb171b_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24bWPXR)Square-Door Econolite Bullseye (https://flic.kr/p/24bWPXR) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7834/46403000674_f89e60a6c2_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dGtvrL)Square-door Econolite Bullseye (https://flic.kr/p/2dGtvrL) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Here's a Marbelite mounted beside a Highway Signal & Sign Co.:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7855/32184566597_903c0bf05a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/R33jmD)Marbelite with a Highway Signal & Sign Co. (https://flic.kr/p/R33jmD) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Here's an old Eagle, which is nothing too special, since this is one out of several of them, spread throughout Philly:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7819/40161588363_c97014a1b0_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24bWD1F)12-inch Eagle Flatback (https://flic.kr/p/24bWD1F) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
And some Crouse-Hinds type Rs, which just like the Eagles, are nothing too specail:
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7907/33251224558_4d503e185a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SEidB9)12" Crouse-Hinds type R signals (https://flic.kr/p/SEidB9) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7834/46403191744_0466eaa61e_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2dGuuf5)12-inch Crouse-Hinds type R (https://flic.kr/p/2dGuuf5) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
There was a side-mounted bullseye that was at the same intersection as the type L, but it got replaced.
The world of signals is a foreign world to me. I don't know models, types, names or anything. but here are a few that I am aware of. Most of these have been here all of my life. Enjoy.
This was leaving the lunch place from my Louisiana road meet in March 2018. I don't know why one signal is facing the grassy lawn of Centenary College:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.4818419,-93.7316955,3a,75y,126.44h,90.44t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swJHESne_-xACyDSve5_H4Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Line Ave. @ Kings Hwy. Shreveport:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.4813123,-93.7461251,3a,75y,125.41h,99.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srY9tdcKnyTGbU5rPAIkh_w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Bonner St. @ E. Arizona Ave., Ruston, LA:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5255642,-92.6370871,3a,75y,295.89h,112.86t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVgn48xjOf_6q9R2V06NXJg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en
Bond Blvd. @ Dan Reneau Dr., Louisiana Tech Univ. Ruston, LA:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5260869,-92.6463373,3a,75y,272.02h,101.21t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1shlWJKx6KCDVFiY2DPq1RdA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!9m2!1b1!2i35?hl=en
Quote from: cjk374 on February 23, 2019, 02:05:21 PM
. I don't know why one signal is facing the grassy lawn of Centenary College:
It is for pedestrian use as there are no pedestrian signals.
The Sultan, WA visitor's center has their old traffic signal hooked up and still blinking.
(https://i.imgur.com/HQTO8Ad.jpg)
So old, they had to define the meaning of a blinking red light!
Here's one I will definitely be taking photos of soon:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1479343,-72.6071039,3a,27.3y,93.58h,96.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stxIOjsvkDWfPd_EoUe-5QA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
There is a straight and left arrow signal, very classic and neat!
Quote from: Amtrakprod on March 02, 2019, 07:46:16 AM
Here's one I will definitely be taking photos of soon:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1479343,-72.6071039,3a,27.3y,93.58h,96.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stxIOjsvkDWfPd_EoUe-5QA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
There is a straight and left arrow signal, very classic and neat!
What in the world...?
Quote from: ipeters61 on March 02, 2019, 06:24:54 PM
Quote from: Amtrakprod on March 02, 2019, 07:46:16 AM
Here's one I will definitely be taking photos of soon:
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.1479343,-72.6071039,3a,27.3y,93.58h,96.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stxIOjsvkDWfPd_EoUe-5QA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
There is a straight and left arrow signal, very classic and neat!
What in the world...?
Very odd and interesting.
An extremely rare and old setup of traffic signals in Detroit, Michigan (Marbelites and Eagle Durasigs): https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3661447,-83.0805183,3a,44.2y,62.22h,88.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYBRBnlKvYgWLan6ALsQQcg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Fayette, Ohio: https://youtu.be/_Lpo9olSAJo
Petersburg, Michigan - Darley 4-way beacon: https://goo.gl/maps/F5e4NthiCv52
Stanwood, Michigan - Darley 4-way beacon: https://goo.gl/maps/BvyurHLFwQD2
Stevensville, Michigan - Eagle 4-way beacon: https://goo.gl/maps/n3idDEW2PbT2
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4897/31947656538_14d33c8c8c_z_d.jpg)
Jeromesville, OH
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1949/44802759764_67dcb5306f_z_d.jpg)
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1960/31655779748_7b87821ef9_z_d.jpg)
Zanesville, OH
Cool find!
iPhone
Utica, NY still has many old signals, but the numbers are dwindling fast.
A lot have been taken down due to no need anymore since the population has
declined so much, no need for a signal every other intersection, and others were beyond repair
(https://i.imgur.com/kZeZVTz.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VkdjRvC.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7QNhzNY.jpg)
^^ Did they take the one in the middle photo out of Kentucky?
Those 12" decos have been there since I can remember which is at least the mid 1960's so they are original to the intersection.
Utica had 100's of Crouse Hinds signals installed. Still a bunch left.
Here's for those who haven't seen this bad boy:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/7895/33251183418_010f4aae6a_o.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/SEi1nQ)12-inch Marbelite type L (https://flic.kr/p/SEi1nQ) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Quote from: Bruce on February 27, 2019, 07:05:22 PM
The Sultan, WA visitor's center has their old traffic signal hooked up and still blinking.
(https://i.imgur.com/HQTO8Ad.jpg)
That is so cool, I may just lose it. The embossed signs underneath give it a nice touch. I don't know if the simplicity of it is what makes it so great, or if that's just a less important factor, but I really envy Sultan, Washington for being able to hold onto this signal.
Quote from: Big John on May 11, 2019, 08:44:29 AM
^^ Did they take the one in the middle photo out of Kentucky?
Either Kentucky or Akron, Ohio. :P
Although Akron has way fewer of that variety anymore--recent replacement campaigns have gotten rid of a lot of signals with the yellow tunnel visor only which had been an Akron hallmark for decades.
A few fabulous oldies seen in Nashville, Tennessee in late December.
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49474944_10111087424404548_4977132841339977728_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=a7e3fe31fa8bbda3791fc28d0cc57ad5&oe=5D5C3A94)
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49344975_10111087426195958_3518450209749204992_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=74423a81c47f79e9d1722bc2a3787cf3&oe=5D7043CF)
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49178404_10111087417298788_6969364296446771200_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=6308729236ac30e564666123bfa796c3&oe=5D63C20B)
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48950337_10111087427892558_2645360629229027328_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=ea2c7dc774e7b16067ce9950bfb515e8&oe=5D707774)
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49037972_10111087421430508_7992848148315766784_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=aa36664ba907addad8077637d6cc9700&oe=5D67CD06)
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48947165_10111087526489968_1431645352900952064_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=fcd97c89a6e45e687fbd18a5fe1f93a1&oe=5D72C271)
And one where I caught it as it changed from Don't Walk to Walk
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48989503_10111087501539968_571997293440401408_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=eac78217ab35fde8cf5cc836c5c1605b&oe=5D5EE730)
Middletown CT, on CT-66 at the western approach to the Arrigoni Bridge. All of the ped signals at this intersection are of this style. However, the photo is overexposed as I didn't have much time to get the settings right on my camera.
(https://i.ibb.co/nR12NpM/IMG-6170.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Tr0XxyM)
Quote from: PurdueBill on May 11, 2019, 11:28:19 PM
A few fabulous oldies seen in Nashville, Tennessee in late December.
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49474944_10111087424404548_4977132841339977728_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=a7e3fe31fa8bbda3791fc28d0cc57ad5&oe=5D5C3A94)
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49344975_10111087426195958_3518450209749204992_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=74423a81c47f79e9d1722bc2a3787cf3&oe=5D7043CF)
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49178404_10111087417298788_6969364296446771200_o.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=6308729236ac30e564666123bfa796c3&oe=5D63C20B)
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48950337_10111087427892558_2645360629229027328_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=ea2c7dc774e7b16067ce9950bfb515e8&oe=5D707774)
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49037972_10111087421430508_7992848148315766784_o.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=aa36664ba907addad8077637d6cc9700&oe=5D67CD06)
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48947165_10111087526489968_1431645352900952064_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=fcd97c89a6e45e687fbd18a5fe1f93a1&oe=5D72C271)
And one where I caught it as it changed from Don't Walk to Walk
(https://scontent-ort2-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48989503_10111087501539968_571997293440401408_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-ort2-2.xx&oh=eac78217ab35fde8cf5cc836c5c1605b&oe=5D5EE730)
The signals appear to be Eagles with 3M lenses
^^
Not sure I've seen an 8-inch 3M lens before.
Check out this legendary street in Albany NY (Quail st)
highlights: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6679178,-73.769648,3a,31.7y,205.68h,102.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJKCS57iXQ6E3a3egjey71Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6691758,-73.7683138,3a,60y,68.53h,94.62t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sqregrgM5InKhz66HPtL5Dg!2e0
and more, check out the whole street!
Quote from: Amtrakprod on June 02, 2019, 09:58:24 PM
Check out this legendary street in Albany NY (Quail st)
highlights: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6679178,-73.769648,3a,31.7y,205.68h,102.31t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJKCS57iXQ6E3a3egjey71Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.6691758,-73.7683138,3a,60y,68.53h,94.62t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sqregrgM5InKhz66HPtL5Dg!2e0
and more, check out the whole street!
Type D 4-way goodness
US 50 at the California-Nevada state line.
The picture of this traffic signal assembly is from 2018.
https://www.instagram.com/p/Bne5AcYgS-I/
This video from 1977 shows this same traffic signal assembly (start watching at the 0:37 mark)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1nrWDU45n8
Quote from: roadman65 on June 09, 2018, 10:24:53 PM
NYC, although they have replaced their signals over the past 6 decades, still love the old double guy mast arms that went out long before bell bottom pants did. So even though they are not old (unless NYC still has some left that are mast arms or signal heads from the 1950's) the style is still 1940 or 50 ish.
What is a double guy mast arm and what does it look like?
Spring Garden Street has the threshold of old signals in my area:
Old Crouse-Hinds type M 12" signals:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48135521568_c58ff09a26_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gkz8xE)12-inch Crouse-Hinds type M signal (https://flic.kr/p/2gkz8xE) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48144571662_5184fba5d8_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gmnvPL)12-inch Crouse-Hinds type M signals (https://flic.kr/p/2gmnvPL) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48144506191_bc65ffe5d5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gmnbmX)12" Crouse-Hinds type M signal (https://flic.kr/p/2gmnbmX) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48135456921_525af07093_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gkyNk4)12-inch Crouse-Hinds type M (https://flic.kr/p/2gkyNk4) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Then there was an intersection with a square-door bull's eye:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48135724858_d865e8b0a3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gkAaYE)Square-Door Econolite Bullseye (https://flic.kr/p/2gkAaYE) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Some type R signals:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48144580297_90dd11a3a5_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gmnyoD)12" Crouse-Hinds type R signals (https://flic.kr/p/2gmnyoD) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Highway Signal-Sign Co. brand signals and Marbelites:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48144723322_6fe43a2f4c_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gmohUA)Highway Signal & Sign Co. with a Marbelite (https://flic.kr/p/2gmohUA) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
And some Eagles:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48138334127_660dffddcd_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gkPxC4)12-inch Eagle Flatback (https://flic.kr/p/2gkPxC4) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48135252132_24360190a3_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gkxKsd)12-inch Eagle Flatback (https://flic.kr/p/2gkxKsd) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48135269482_1f65fc6950_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2gkxQBm)Eagle Flatback with chipped backplate (https://flic.kr/p/2gkxQBm) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
That backplate is so faded, it almost looks like the backplates used in parts of Canada...all yellow!
Could be a reflection, too.
Quote from: jakeroot on June 30, 2019, 01:18:35 AM
That backplate is so faded, it almost looks like the backplates used in parts of Canada...all yellow!
Could be a reflection, too.
The signal is really old.......
Some older railroad signals on VA 141 near downtown Portsmouth, VA. Railroad is abandoned.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/sqrQFoLM1tBTZgDF8
Quote from: jakeroot on June 30, 2019, 01:18:35 AM
That backplate is so faded, it almost looks like the backplates used in parts of Canada...all yellow!
Could be a reflection, too.
I noticed something like this on Oyster Point Rd between I-64 and VA 143 in Newport News. They're either completely yellow (especially the backs of the backplates) or getting there. Even one of the visors has "yellowed"
Images from GSV
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Quote from: plain on July 03, 2019, 03:28:21 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on June 30, 2019, 01:18:35 AM
That backplate is so faded, it almost looks like the backplates used in parts of Canada...all yellow!
Could be a reflection, too.
I noticed something like this on Oyster Point Rd between I-64 and VA 143 in Newport News. They're either completely yellow (especially the backs of the backplates) or getting there. Even one of the visors has "yellowed"
There are quite a few cities around me that paint the entire rear of the signals yellow, but I've never seen any that have faded to yellow. Unless those along Oyster Road were actually painted yellow (instead of just looking like it).
(https://i.imgur.com/5ZrC5PV.jpg)
Quote from: dbz77 on June 29, 2019, 08:20:08 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 09, 2018, 10:24:53 PM
NYC, although they have replaced their signals over the past 6 decades, still love the old double guy mast arms that went out long before bell bottom pants did. So even though they are not old (unless NYC still has some left that are mast arms or signal heads from the 1950's) the style is still 1940 or 50 ish.
What is a double guy mast arm and what does it look like?
A "guy wire" or "guy line" is a tension cable or rope used to stabilize a structure. The ropes used to stabilize the mast on sailing ships are guy ropes, and the metal cables used to keep a utility pole from leaning are guy lines.
In the context of traffic signals, an common older style in New York City (and also used in some other areas) employed a thin curved mast arm to mount a single signal head overhead. To ensure stability of the mast arm under loading (i.e. wind force and weight of the traffic signal head), these installations would have two guy wires attached between the mast and the end of the mast arm.
NYC Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_light#/media/File:9th-food.jpg
One of a decreasing number of examples left in Las Vegas: https://goo.gl/maps/X57uPzcrxqySJv5e7
Quote from: roadfro on July 05, 2019, 04:24:21 AM
Quote from: dbz77 on June 29, 2019, 08:20:08 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on June 09, 2018, 10:24:53 PM
NYC, although they have replaced their signals over the past 6 decades, still love the old double guy mast arms that went out long before bell bottom pants did. So even though they are not old (unless NYC still has some left that are mast arms or signal heads from the 1950's) the style is still 1940 or 50 ish.
What is a double guy mast arm and what does it look like?
A "guy wire" or "guy line" is a tension cable or rope used to stabilize a structure. The ropes used to stabilize the mast on sailing ships are guy ropes, and the metal cables used to keep a utility pole from leaning are guy lines.
In the context of traffic signals, an common older style in New York City (and also used in some other areas) employed a thin curved mast arm to mount a single signal head overhead. To ensure stability of the mast arm under loading (i.e. wind force and weight of the traffic signal head), these installations would have two guy wires attached between the mast and the end of the mast arm.
NYC Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_light#/media/File:9th-food.jpg
One of a decreasing number of examples left in Las Vegas: https://goo.gl/maps/X57uPzcrxqySJv5e7
So that is what they are called.
I have seen a lot of those in Long Beach, CA.
there was such a traffic signal near the entrance to Disneyland sometime in the 1960's, but before 1995.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.disneyhistoryinstitute.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F09%2F1962lasvegas1.png&hash=0fcebc0c55ae734c27347f09e63e4d5c9978de4b)
If I were in charge of traffic signal installation, I would make sure all new installations were the double-guy mast arms!
Double-guy mast arms are very rare in WA, but Spokane has several that are left-over from days of yore. Image below of an example.
Unlike the other examples, the Spokane examples are all straight (https://goo.gl/maps/eqF617EwxBb8ybcT6). Weirdly, the signals are "hung" from the top (note signal placement in the image below), but they don't swing around like the NYC signals. I've seen this style of signal placement along mast arms in some western states (chiefly CA, where they are especially common for left turn signals); never have fully understood why this was done.
(https://i.imgur.com/4Qi9Df8.png)
^ Interesting, those are "double double guy" mast arms, with two sets of guy wires. Never seen that before. Perhaps because those all seem to have much longer mast arms than I've seen on curved mast arms.
Quote from: roadfro on July 06, 2019, 04:50:29 PM
^ Interesting, those are "double double guy" mast arms, with two sets of guy wires. Never seen that before. Perhaps because those all seem to have much longer mast arms than I've seen on curved mast arms.
I did not notice that before. Well spotted.
Quote from: jakeroot on July 06, 2019, 05:29:57 PM
Quote from: roadfro on July 06, 2019, 04:50:29 PM
^ Interesting, those are "double double guy" mast arms, with two sets of guy wires. Never seen that before. Perhaps because those all seem to have much longer mast arms than I've seen on curved mast arms.
I did not notice that before. Well spotted.
They can be called quadruple-guy.
Here is a video of the latest old signal I found. It's in Stanwood, Michigan. https://youtu.be/xaYjo1G6sdk
While I was in the Traverse City area a few days back, I went down to Maple City, Michigan, where this old Eagle fixed 3-way beacon still operates. It flashes yellow on the southbound approach of the intersection, while the other sides flash red.
https://youtu.be/8tuJdm510iM
I also filmed a bunch of old signals in Mansfield, Ohio, and a couple towns southeast of it.
https://youtu.be/FYGgN2lHXHQ
https://youtu.be/LFluutfgxPc
https://youtu.be/JbGXqCp9kQc
https://youtu.be/GUpk5ZUADX8
While driving through Natick, MA along MA 27 last week, I stumbled across a couple of old signal assemblies (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3073727,-71.3617703,3a,75y,14.2h,91.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1swApVA3tIlrXUROiASsh7vQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) that likely date back to the mid-60s.
This one (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3075262,-71.3617601,3a,75y,42.02h,72.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slMpTSl9PAmTcSHMW4Ug10A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) had the upper-part of the large pedestrian signalhead updated to symbolic displays. The lower-part still has the old-school WALK lettering on it. I'm assuming that for the WALK-signal phase, a lighted pedestrian walking display is lit on the upper-portion.
These style signalheads, including the large pedestrian ones, used to be all over my hometown of Marblehead; although such were painted green w/black signalfaces. Visors for the vehicle signalheads were black whereas the visors for the pedestrian ones were painted green.
Quote from: CJResotko on July 11, 2019, 10:55:02 AM
Here is a video of the latest old signal I found. It's in Stanwood, Michigan. https://youtu.be/xaYjo1G6sdk
I love the collection of oldies
Found some nice pedestrian and traffic signals in Cambridge MD this weekend. This was a funky looking pedestrian signal. They had a few "downtown."
(https://i.ibb.co/MSLhNK7/IMG-8896.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pwpPXNd)
Quote from: ipeters61 on November 25, 2019, 05:08:22 PM
Found some nice pedestrian and traffic signals in Cambridge MD this weekend. This was a funky looking pedestrian signal. They had a few "downtown."
Looks a lot like the Canadian Walking Man:
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on February 02, 2019, 10:57:54 PM
A few weeks ago I went to Vancouver for the first time in seven or more years. The last time I was there they had just converted their pedestrian signals from incandescent to LED. The Canadian Walking Man, who takes a longer stride than his U.S. cousin, made the conversion. Last month I saw that Vancouver had changed out all their ped signals again, this time to add a don't walk countdown. For this project, Vancouver has used generic U.S. ped heads, and the Walking Man is gone. Added safety is nice, but now Vancouver is just a little bit like much of the rest of the places I already visit. As long as they still sell the special Kit Kat bars, it's still worth going. That and being able to walk through different city-scapes.
Back in 2006, shortly after I got a digital camera and could take a chance on taking pictures of signals and signs, I got a picture of an incandescent Walking Man, with an unlit LED hand. The incandescent lights were just normal round vehicle signals with pedestrian designs painted on. Here's the same corner now (https://goo.gl/maps/F7UkhYLm3Tp).
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4917/33090131518_68949aff83_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Sq4zfW)Incandescent Canadian Walking Man, Vancouver, BC, 2006 (https://flic.kr/p/Sq4zfW) by Arthur Allen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/116988743@N07/), on Flickr
Incandescent eaglelux signals in Norristown:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48964100746_4867d0d005_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hAMPgy)Incandescent eaglelux traffic signals (https://flic.kr/p/2hAMPgy) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
1940's Crouse-Hinds type D signal in Cheltenham:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1869/44741383302_e7f49b74f3_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2baDhuo)Crouse-Hinds Art Deco (https://flic.kr/p/2baDhuo) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1866/44741392842_950fc94c35_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2baDkjS)Crouse-Hinds Art Deco (side-view) (https://flic.kr/p/2baDkjS) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Short-fin eaglelux signals in Norristown:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48964237122_d809be0d88_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hANvNS)Incandescent eaglelux traffic signals (https://flic.kr/p/2hANvNS) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Short-fin eagelelux signals in Lower Merion:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48740552977_5f0104c6a5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hg35iF)Ancient Eaglelux (https://flic.kr/p/2hg35iF) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48740633002_190eaf4a88_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hg3u6q)Ancient Eaglelux (https://flic.kr/p/2hg3u6q) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48740520967_d5a170ff25_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hg2UMM)Eaglelux traffic signals (https://flic.kr/p/2hg2UMM) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48741100857_51b2f02d75_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hg5TaT)Ancient Eaglelux (https://flic.kr/p/2hg5TaT) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
One with 12" adapters:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/48740449057_28c911b5f2_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hg2xpX)Eaglelux signals with 12" adapters (https://flic.kr/p/2hg2xpX) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
A set of 1970's-era 12" Eagle Flatback signals on angled mast-arms in Lower Moreland:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49075448021_e17a95802e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hLCuWa)Old Eagles on an angled mast-arm (https://flic.kr/p/2hLCuWa) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49076232078_f3b3479e72_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hLGw1o)Old Eagles on an angled mast-arm (https://flic.kr/p/2hLGw1o) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49138006952_1df5123e07_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hSa8wq)Old Eagles on an angled mast-arm (https://flic.kr/p/2hSa8wq) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Southern Autoflow 4-way signal in Princeton, West Virginia. I took this photo in 2008, but as far as I know it's still there today:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3242/3112803388_8ef41cc678_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/5K4VZW)
Old four-way traffic signal, Princeton, WV (https://flic.kr/p/5K4VZW) by Andrew T's Archives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/andrew-turnbull/), on Flickr
The most interesting characteristic about this intersection? Since there is no second signal to provide redundant backup in the event of a bulb failure, the side street is protected by a stop sign bearing the words "Except when light is green."
While clinching PA-420 Truck, at the intersection of Swarthmore and Morton Avenues, I came upon this cluster of pole mounted signals (https://goo.gl/maps/rXUuKVCrKYZVbs7s7). Included in the mix were (I believe) Art Decos and Eagleluxes.
Further south, in West Virginia, I came upon these round door Bullseyes (https://goo.gl/maps/qH1pAJRr8e1incwUA) along US-19 in Adamston while clinching various state routes. Good timing on that, because when I returned through town as part of a clinch of US-19 in WV, they had been replaced.
Out in Moundsville, WV, in front of the fire department, is an inactive signal (https://goo.gl/maps/3RnyBmEZBgsxcYvF8), with what appear to be only red and yellow sections. Given that the sections appear to alternate between sides (i.e., R-Y/Y-R) and the body design, I would hazard a guess that this is a Darley.
Finally, in Loyall, KY, at the KY-840 and KY-413 junction, there are a pair of three-way signals (https://goo.gl/maps/9FjTGWdEmUJskCp3A) (the fourth side on each is blank). I believe that these are Southern Autoflows.
Quote from: Andrew T. on November 30, 2019, 09:19:34 AM
Southern Autoflow 4-way signal in Princeton, West Virginia. I took this photo in 2008, but as far as I know it's still there today:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3242/3112803388_8ef41cc678_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/5K4VZW)
Old four-way traffic signal, Princeton, WV (https://flic.kr/p/5K4VZW) by Andrew T's Archives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/andrew-turnbull/), on Flickr
The most interesting characteristic about this intersection? Since there is no second signal to provide redundant backup in the event of a bulb failure, the side street is protected by a stop sign bearing the words "Except when light is green."
Still there, (https://goo.gl/maps/ZTMe2bJV9Ns3E5m69) but no GSV of the side street, so I can't see the legend on the stop sign.
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on December 03, 2019, 06:33:58 PM
Quote from: Andrew T. on November 30, 2019, 09:19:34 AM
Southern Autoflow 4-way signal in Princeton, West Virginia. I took this photo in 2008, but as far as I know it's still there today:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3242/3112803388_8ef41cc678_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/5K4VZW)
Old four-way traffic signal, Princeton, WV (https://flic.kr/p/5K4VZW) by Andrew T's Archives (https://www.flickr.com/photos/andrew-turnbull/), on Flickr
The most interesting characteristic about this intersection? Since there is no second signal to provide redundant backup in the event of a bulb failure, the side street is protected by a stop sign bearing the words "Except when light is green."
Still there, (https://goo.gl/maps/ZTMe2bJV9Ns3E5m69) but no GSV of the side street, so I can't see the legend on the stop sign.
The signal is most likely long gone, the GSV is from 2009
Quote from: jakeroot on November 25, 2019, 05:20:41 PM
Quote from: ipeters61 on November 25, 2019, 05:08:22 PM
Found some nice pedestrian and traffic signals in Cambridge MD this weekend. This was a funky looking pedestrian signal. They had a few "downtown."
Looks a lot like the Canadian Walking Man:
Quote from: ErmineNotyours on February 02, 2019, 10:57:54 PM
A few weeks ago I went to Vancouver for the first time in seven or more years. The last time I was there they had just converted their pedestrian signals from incandescent to LED. The Canadian Walking Man, who takes a longer stride than his U.S. cousin, made the conversion. Last month I saw that Vancouver had changed out all their ped signals again, this time to add a don't walk countdown. For this project, Vancouver has used generic U.S. ped heads, and the Walking Man is gone. Added safety is nice, but now Vancouver is just a little bit like much of the rest of the places I already visit. As long as they still sell the special Kit Kat bars, it's still worth going. That and being able to walk through different city-scapes.
Back in 2006, shortly after I got a digital camera and could take a chance on taking pictures of signals and signs, I got a picture of an incandescent Walking Man, with an unlit LED hand. The incandescent lights were just normal round vehicle signals with pedestrian designs painted on. Here's the same corner now (https://goo.gl/maps/F7UkhYLm3Tp).
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4917/33090131518_68949aff83_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Sq4zfW)Incandescent Canadian Walking Man, Vancouver, BC, 2006 (https://flic.kr/p/Sq4zfW) by Arthur Allen (https://www.flickr.com/photos/116988743@N07/), on Flickr
Want to say because those signals actually use the Canadian lenses. Not sure why, but they do.
I found some ancient 1950's era Crouse-Hinds type DT heads in Collingdale, PA:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49265438921_fb4262fda0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i4qfBk)Crouse-Hinds Art Decos (https://flic.kr/p/2i4qfBk) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49264977173_865043f9c0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i4nTma)Crouse-Hinds Art Deco (https://flic.kr/p/2i4nTma) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49264827018_7a21f911b2_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i4n7Hh)Crouse-Hinds Art Decos (https://flic.kr/p/2i4n7Hh) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49265338746_36a06b3bcd_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i4pJQb)Crouse-Hinds Art Decos (https://flic.kr/p/2i4pJQb) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49265303848_435cb7dc1e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i4pysu)Crouse-Hinds Art Deco signals (https://flic.kr/p/2i4pysu) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49265523772_23e76444cb_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i4qFQh)Crouse-Hinds Art Decos (https://flic.kr/p/2i4qFQh) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49267097623_5dca001fd7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i4yKFD)Crouse-Hinds Art Deco (https://flic.kr/p/2i4yKFD) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49265385351_8069767a38_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i4pYFH)Ancient Crouse-hinds art deocs (https://flic.kr/p/2i4pYFH) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49269480177_495a108d5d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i4LXWa)Crouse-Hinds Art Deco signals (https://flic.kr/p/2i4LXWa) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49265575973_6f811bddb9_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i4qXmi)Crouse-Hinds Art Decos (https://flic.kr/p/2i4qXmi) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49269480177_495a108d5d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i4LXWa)Crouse-Hinds Art Deco signals (https://flic.kr/p/2i4LXWa) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Here is a long gone pair from Detroit that saw better days...
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49554498667_a1b7382fc5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iuXL14)Lawton at McGraw (2009)(2) (https://flic.kr/p/2iuXL14) by Silveradoman298 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187063866@N08/), on Flickr
Or this configuration just shut off and left to rot like many other's in Detroit
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49554255871_3027487fa5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iuWvPV)Hamilton Ave at Manchester Pkwy (https://flic.kr/p/2iuWvPV) by Silveradoman298 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187063866@N08/), on Flickr
I'm not too great with signal brands but I think I found some Eagle Flatbacks in Merritt, BC (the overhead signals):
https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1096444,-120.7874103,3a,45.8y,280.84h,85.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suEX9Fum7JpJ8C7jZhnFXNQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: bcroadguy on February 21, 2020, 04:34:35 AM
I'm not too great with signal brands but I think I found some Eagle Flatbacks in Merritt, BC (the overhead signals):
https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1096444,-120.7874103,3a,45.8y,280.84h,85.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suEX9Fum7JpJ8C7jZhnFXNQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Definitely looks like it!
No overhead backplates at that intersection...that really gives its age away. I can only think of one other area in BC without any overhead: https://goo.gl/maps/8vtaEtuRFbMZaCvK9
Quote from: jakeroot on February 21, 2020, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: bcroadguy on February 21, 2020, 04:34:35 AM
I'm not too great with signal brands but I think I found some Eagle Flatbacks in Merritt, BC (the overhead signals):
https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1096444,-120.7874103,3a,45.8y,280.84h,85.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suEX9Fum7JpJ8C7jZhnFXNQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Definitely looks like it!
No overhead backplates at that intersection...that really gives its age away. I can only think of one other area in BC without any overhead: https://goo.gl/maps/8vtaEtuRFbMZaCvK9
There used to be a few more in Victoria and Saanich that I remember from when I was little, but I think most of them are gone now. Kitimat has a bunch of weird old Franken-signals with Ontario / Quebec style mast arms that have no backplates:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@54.0552905,-128.6539777,3a,49.5y,294.27h,88.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxzsRUDirCWSK-fKvldSCcw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Weirdly, it looks like they replaced the post-mounted 5-section signal (super super rare around here / the only ones I've ever seen are very old) with a brand new 5-section signal, still with 8-inch arrows, at some point between 2012 and 2018. Idk what they're doing up there. :spin:
Quote from: traffic light guy on December 26, 2019, 04:13:36 PM
I found some ancient 1950's era Crouse-Hinds type DT heads in Collingdale, PA:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49265438921_fb4262fda0_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2i4qfBk)Crouse-Hinds Art Decos (https://flic.kr/p/2i4qfBk) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
That one looks like it had its green lens retrofitted with a newer type (not sure if its LED).
The rest of those Collingdale signals (I reside just a few miles from there) pics you posted appear to have their (close to) original lenses.
Quote from: CJResotko on July 11, 2019, 10:55:02 AM
Here is a video of the latest old signal I found. It's in Stanwood, Michigan. https://youtu.be/xaYjo1G6sdk
It has to date back to when Stanwood Dr/Front St was US-131 (it would be old old US-131 as old US-131 runs parallel to the west)
Quote from: bcroadguy on February 24, 2020, 06:22:54 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 21, 2020, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: bcroadguy on February 21, 2020, 04:34:35 AM
I'm not too great with signal brands but I think I found some Eagle Flatbacks in Merritt, BC (the overhead signals):
https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1096444,-120.7874103,3a,45.8y,280.84h,85.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suEX9Fum7JpJ8C7jZhnFXNQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Definitely looks like it!
No overhead backplates at that intersection...that really gives its age away. I can only think of one other area in BC without any overhead: https://goo.gl/maps/8vtaEtuRFbMZaCvK9
There used to be a few more in Victoria and Saanich that I remember from when I was little, but I think most of them are gone now. Kitimat has a bunch of weird old Franken-signals with Ontario / Quebec style mast arms that have no backplates:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@54.0552905,-128.6539777,3a,49.5y,294.27h,88.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxzsRUDirCWSK-fKvldSCcw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Weirdly, it looks like they replaced the post-mounted 5-section signal (super super rare around here / the only ones I've ever seen are very old) with a brand new 5-section signal, still with 8-inch arrows, at some point between 2012 and 2018. Idk what they're doing up there. :spin:
That's awesome! Never in my life have I seen a 12-8-8-8-8 tower. Just incredible. Of course it would be in BC, queen of 8-inch signals.
I had no idea that there were any 5-section signals in BC ("super super rare" be damned...I thought they were extinct or just plain never existed). And they're painted silver for good measure.
Too bad Kitimat is such a long drive. I would love to get some photos of those signals.
Quote from: jakeroot on February 24, 2020, 02:50:01 PM
Quote from: bcroadguy on February 24, 2020, 06:22:54 AM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 21, 2020, 04:29:47 PM
Quote from: bcroadguy on February 21, 2020, 04:34:35 AM
I'm not too great with signal brands but I think I found some Eagle Flatbacks in Merritt, BC (the overhead signals):
https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.1096444,-120.7874103,3a,45.8y,280.84h,85.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suEX9Fum7JpJ8C7jZhnFXNQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Definitely looks like it!
No overhead backplates at that intersection...that really gives its age away. I can only think of one other area in BC without any overhead: https://goo.gl/maps/8vtaEtuRFbMZaCvK9
There used to be a few more in Victoria and Saanich that I remember from when I was little, but I think most of them are gone now. Kitimat has a bunch of weird old Franken-signals with Ontario / Quebec style mast arms that have no backplates:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@54.0552905,-128.6539777,3a,49.5y,294.27h,88.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sxzsRUDirCWSK-fKvldSCcw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Weirdly, it looks like they replaced the post-mounted 5-section signal (super super rare around here / the only ones I've ever seen are very old) with a brand new 5-section signal, still with 8-inch arrows, at some point between 2012 and 2018. Idk what they're doing up there. :spin:
That's awesome! Never in my life have I seen a 12-8-8-8-8 tower. Just incredible. Of course it would be in BC, queen of 8-inch signals.
I had no idea that there were any 5-section signals in BC ("super super rare" be damned...I thought they were extinct or just plain never existed). And they're painted silver for good measure.
Too bad Kitimat is such a long drive. I would love to get some photos of those signals.
They're rare but there are a few:
https://www.google.com/maps/@49.0902585,-123.0784365,3a,18.1y,207.76h,90.7t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sXBP3Zr2g9VceA6ZWWPtv2g!2e0!5s20190701T000000!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@48.4306838,-123.4006049,3a,22.8y,197.77h,92.82t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srM-hdljjwraPibhlUz4Okg!2e0!5s20170801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@48.429906,-123.4169668,3a,41.3y,295.61h,95.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5CdamW-uP0AOx8szaT5_iw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.9205962,-122.7940833,3a,15y,305.25h,91.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGwVi3dnq-L45hJFJpWLgCA!2e0!5s20180801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Quote from: bcroadguy on February 25, 2020, 07:24:08 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on February 24, 2020, 02:50:01 PM
I had no idea that there were any 5-section signals in BC ("super super rare" be damned...I thought they were extinct or just plain never existed). And they're painted silver for good measure.
They're rare but there are a few:
https://www.google.com/maps/@49.0902585,-123.0784365,3a,18.1y,207.76h,90.7t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sXBP3Zr2g9VceA6ZWWPtv2g!2e0!5s20190701T000000!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.com/maps/@48.4306838,-123.4006049,3a,22.8y,197.77h,92.82t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srM-hdljjwraPibhlUz4Okg!2e0!5s20170801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@48.429906,-123.4169668,3a,41.3y,295.61h,95.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5CdamW-uP0AOx8szaT5_iw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.9205962,-122.7940833,3a,15y,305.25h,91.39t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sGwVi3dnq-L45hJFJpWLgCA!2e0!5s20180801T000000!7i13312!8i6656
I'm glad I didn't spot those two in Delta when I was last there. Probably would have crashed my car.
I'll be there on Friday, and I will definitely be taking some photos! BC appears to be the only jurisdiction in North America to exclusively utilize 8-inch green and yellow arrows for 5-section signals (apart from that one signal in Prince George). Which is totally in-line with British Columbia practice, but, well, still unusual.
Here's a pedestrian signal with the lighted WALK border, that pretty much doesn't exist in Michigan any longer, this may be one of the only ones left in the Detroit area.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49598034541_a37020c07d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iyNTGz)Holbrook at Lumpkin (2019)(2) (https://flic.kr/p/2iyNTGz) by Silveradoman298 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/187063866@N08/), on Flickr
Sorry if this has already been asked, but define "old". Oldest I know of is the 4way signal in Kansas City.
Are we talking 20 years, 30 years?
There used to be a traffic signal at West Oak Street and Maple Avenue that you can't convince me was made after 1950. You'd be lucky if you could get me to believe it was made after 1945. I don't know who the manufacturer was, but it was replaced sometime in the 1990's.
Quote from: US71 on February 28, 2020, 08:22:33 PM
Sorry if this has already been asked, but define "old". Oldest I know of is the 4way signal in Kansas City.
Are we talking 20 years, 30 years?
At least 40 years old
(https://live.staticflickr.com/931/28624585327_32ac76bf32_z_d.jpg)
Amarillo, TX / old US 66
(https://live.staticflickr.com/5652/23708457329_a508b41c1b_z_d.jpg)
Denison, TX (now flashing 4-way)
Quote from: US71 on February 28, 2020, 08:22:33 PM
Sorry if this has already been asked, but define "old". Oldest I know of is the 4way signal in Kansas City.
Are we talking 20 years, 30 years?
IMO, I define old signals as traffic lights made of metal. By the 1980s, most traffic light housings and visors were made of a plastic/polymer material.
I found a few 12" Eagle Flatback doghouses in my area. Although these are not the first doghouses ever, since the first doghouses were obviously not 12 inch. Many areas have experimented with doghouses a decade prior, before the MUTCD approved doghouses, since standards were more ambiguous back then. However, these Doghouses are among the oldest within the Philadelphia area. Back when these Doghouses were installed, 4-section signals were used a lot more often than protected left turn signals. Thus making it very jarring to see Doghouses that are this old. As far as I know, these 12" Eagle Flatback Doghouses were installed at some point during the nineteen-seventies. I honestly believe that PennDOT didn't have any doghouses at all before these 12" Eagle flatbacks.
Two side-mounted Doghouses in Lower Merion:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1930/44252677225_4914ebe786_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aqsxcx)Eagle Signals on a silver pole w/old doghouse mounted on the side (https://flic.kr/p/2aqsxcx) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1930/44365530215_e75a7ba67a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2aAqWsK)12-inch Eagle Flatback Doghouse (https://flic.kr/p/2aAqWsK) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Three more 12" Eagle Flatback Doghouses in Bristol Township (The two mast-arm supported doghouses got replaced):
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49664119452_c744f18ae8_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2iEDArA)12-inch Eagle Flatback Doghouse traffic signal (https://flic.kr/p/2iEDArA) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/1788/29177608378_d7b7f0338e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/LsjSrq)12-inch Eagle Flatback Doghouse, 12-inch Econolite Buttonback, and an 8-inch Eagle flatback (https://flic.kr/p/LsjSrq) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/826/41012123815_d108625f30_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25u6Rz2)12-inch Eagle Flatback Doghouse, a 12-inch TCT, an 8-inch eagle flatback, and an eaglelux (https://flic.kr/p/25u6Rz2) by thesignalman (https://www.flickr.com/photos/144426590@N04/), on Flickr
Just for the record, your photography skills have improved dramatically with time. Very nice photos!
Bit of a bump:
Southern Alabama has lots of old signals (I've noticed northern Alabama is somewhat newer). Take, for instance, the barely visible green (https://www.google.com/maps/@31.0063864,-87.493723,3a,15y,355.38h,96.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqW29dJiQL6dFDDca3lbNOA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) in Atmore.
Some old 12-8-8 and 12-8-8-12 signals in Sandston, VA (near RIC airport). I'm surprised they're still there especially given the fact that this intersection is VDOT-maintained. The 8 inch aspect of these signals still has the old bulbs instead of LED's
Image from GSV
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rXGMmL5fEae6mEXT7
Quote from: plain on September 28, 2020, 04:10:28 AM
Some old 12-8-8 and 12-8-8-12 signals in Sandston, VA (near RIC airport). I'm surprised they're still there especially given the fact that this intersection is VDOT-maintained. The 8 inch aspect of these signals still has the old bulbs instead of LED's
Image from GSV
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rXGMmL5fEae6mEXT7
Could you try posting again? All I got when I clicked was the map, not knowing which intersection to GSV.
Quote from: mrsman on September 29, 2020, 08:14:08 AM
Quote from: plain on September 28, 2020, 04:10:28 AM
Some old 12-8-8 and 12-8-8-12 signals in Sandston, VA (near RIC airport). I'm surprised they're still there especially given the fact that this intersection is VDOT-maintained. The 8 inch aspect of these signals still has the old bulbs instead of LED's
Image from GSV
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rXGMmL5fEae6mEXT7
Could you try posting again? All I got when I clicked was the map, not knowing which intersection to GSV.
Yeah I landed in Republic, MO, near Springfield :confused:
Quote from: STLmapboy on September 29, 2020, 08:42:15 AM
Quote from: mrsman on September 29, 2020, 08:14:08 AM
Quote from: plain on September 28, 2020, 04:10:28 AM
Some old 12-8-8 and 12-8-8-12 signals in Sandston, VA (near RIC airport). I'm surprised they're still there especially given the fact that this intersection is VDOT-maintained. The 8 inch aspect of these signals still has the old bulbs instead of LED's
Image from GSV
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rXGMmL5fEae6mEXT7
Could you try posting again? All I got when I clicked was the map, not knowing which intersection to GSV.
Yeah I landed in Republic, MO, near Springfield :confused:
Apologies, ever since I updated GM on my phone (shouldn't have done that) it's been retarded. I'll try the link inside Street View, though it may initially point to the ground.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/mKzp5N3qjoddER2eA
Quote from: plain on October 01, 2020, 05:05:43 PM
Quote from: STLmapboy on September 29, 2020, 08:42:15 AM
Quote from: mrsman on September 29, 2020, 08:14:08 AM
Quote from: plain on September 28, 2020, 04:10:28 AM
Some old 12-8-8 and 12-8-8-12 signals in Sandston, VA (near RIC airport). I'm surprised they're still there especially given the fact that this intersection is VDOT-maintained. The 8 inch aspect of these signals still has the old bulbs instead of LED's
Image from GSV
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rXGMmL5fEae6mEXT7
Could you try posting again? All I got when I clicked was the map, not knowing which intersection to GSV.
Yeah I landed in Republic, MO, near Springfield :confused:
Apologies, ever since I updated GM on my phone (shouldn't have done that) it's been retarded. I'll try the link inside Street View, though it may initially point to the ground.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/mKzp5N3qjoddER2eA
Ah, thanks.
Check this (https://www.google.ca/maps/@38.1451568,-84.1112328,3a,63.6y,59.13h,98.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKXe65sEFGI0q_mI0d_UOFA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) out in Paris (KY).
Still a few goodies left in Utica, NY. There were so many more up until a few years ago.
Lucky to get a few of them added to my collection. The rest went POOF :banghead:
(https://i.imgur.com/fBi1Hxq.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3xXZsto.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/A1hKVMc.jpg)
Warren, PA (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8350323,-79.1284817,3a,18.7y,-2.63h,107.04t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srZA4lOOvBzl25kvJ6p2VRg!2e0!5s20081001T000000!7i13312!8i6656)
Quote from: CJResotko on October 04, 2020, 05:03:21 PM
Warren, PA (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.8350323,-79.1284817,3a,18.7y,-2.63h,107.04t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1srZA4lOOvBzl25kvJ6p2VRg!2e0!5s20081001T000000!7i13312!8i6656)
The visors (https://goo.gl/maps/yHUnfkqtxLs5buSV6) on a few of those lenses are just hilarious :-D :-D
Along the PA-54 corridor west of I-81.
Ashland (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7831312,-76.3371653,3a,75y,59.17h,93.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sevZmt5yYwebN2L6APn-eNA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), Pennsylvania.
Also Ashland (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7822777,-76.3429638,3a,75y,46.92h,89.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sYedzlGgr_nN6OGn90Xdhjg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).
Mahanoy City (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.811361,-76.1491224,3a,75y,87.1h,94.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saxxf4ckz41dWR9qUzmifRA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656), Pennsylvania.
Also Mahanoy City (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.8121167,-76.1451164,3a,75y,77.78h,91.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1saOIUDBIVkxt7m5iaETRnXA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).
And Mahanoy City (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.81434,-76.1334009,3a,75y,262.4h,92.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgyyHztFMbF6BXo_Fvz7NKA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192).
Here's (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6187041,-93.2930902,3a,75y,136.23h,94.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5cR9XNM-Ih6SA9zZN-sERg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) an old assembly in Minden, LA.
An identical one (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6162378,-93.2873329,3a,75y,302.91h,90.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1socE8qNPsXBuAQt9ZwudLkQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) a few blocks away.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3155/2530680355_8fdfa68180_z_d.jpg)
All the old 4-ways in Hugo, Oklahoma have been replaced, Looking at GSV, it was sometime after 2016.
there used to be a 4-way traffic light at the intersection of Bennett Road at Greens Lake Road in East Ridge, Tennessee but it was replaced in the 2000s but it was there in the 1990s but there isn't any picture available of what it looked like
Quote from: STLmapboy on November 17, 2020, 05:18:45 PM
Here's (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6187041,-93.2930902,3a,75y,136.23h,94.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s5cR9XNM-Ih6SA9zZN-sERg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) an old assembly in Minden, LA.
An identical one (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6162378,-93.2873329,3a,75y,302.91h,90.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1socE8qNPsXBuAQt9ZwudLkQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656/) a few blocks away.
These are what replaced the signals in Hugo.
(https://i.imgur.com/qODHZ1r.png)
Here's an old signal with at least some functioning pedestrian signals in Highland Park, MI. Most of the older signals in Detroit are long gone, however.
I happened to watch a couple of episodes of "Police Women (Of Cincinnati)" on Amazon Prime, and was surprised at the number of old signals the city still has, including Text-only Pedestrian Walk/Don't Walk signals, incandescent bulb lights (non-LED) and the number of signals that go into flash mode in the evening/overnight hours.
Of course, much of the show's footage is centered around the not-so-great parts of the town, so modernization may be on a slower pace there.
There's a body shop near Trumann, AR that has an old signal
(https://live.staticflickr.com/956/41511304864_c358ea53d8_z_d.jpg)
Here's what I believe is the oldest remaining signal in Brazoria County...
Wilkins @ Downing, Angleton, TX (https://www.google.com/maps/@29.1735773,-95.4190072,3a,28.6y,35.04h,100.33t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sb88JqeNwgM-e7yUtXPIUrw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3Db88JqeNwgM-e7yUtXPIUrw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D169.60585%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
Quote from: mrcmc888 on October 22, 2018, 05:56:55 PM
A pair of old ones in Newark, DE!
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.6747763,-75.7566509,3a,75y,279.18h,84.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sIebqGuIxldetK0ivam0KLA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
There are also several around the greater area especially in the Christiana region. It's not at all uncommon to see lights like this hanging from crossed wires over the street.
Those particular signals on Park Place in Newark were installed in the early 1990's. They previously were 12"-8"-8" Eagle four ways.
Norwood, Ohio had a bunch of them at one point. GSV picked up a bunch of them before they were replaced. Some were so dingy with incandescent bulbs that you could barely make out the light!
https://goo.gl/maps/GgB4G9pwKaX1QMUy6
https://goo.gl/maps/6G9Ep9y7GZe45UWM7
https://goo.gl/maps/WXy8uaYGfQu2Z57D7
https://goo.gl/maps/ZtKR5z5VNDyp3FyX8 - flip to the newer GSV to see the "upgrade!"
Of interest is this old signal ( https://goo.gl/maps/xNEE9qZ2TuVzaTBE7 ) that was replaced with two heavier units that caused the whole span to sag ( https://goo.gl/maps/1eAuAXq7q87VQtrJ8 ) which led to just one unit remaining ( https://goo.gl/maps/DzKc2uRA5L1YuWCr9 ).
Quote from: thenetwork on December 05, 2020, 01:54:39 PM
I happened to watch a couple of episodes of "Police Women (Of Cincinnati)" on Amazon Prime, and was surprised at the number of old signals the city still has, including Text-only Pedestrian Walk/Don't Walk signals, incandescent bulb lights (non-LED) and the number of signals that go into flash mode in the evening/overnight hours.
Of course, much of the show's footage is centered around the not-so-great parts of the town, so modernization may be on a slower pace there.
When it was filmed in 2010/2011 that was definitely the case, but the city had already started a massive modernizing project by then. There's sadly very little of that sort of stuff left anymore, but there is some. I documented a lot of it a decade ago, here's some of the more interesting ones: http://www.jjakucyk.com/transit/lights/
The few places I can think of that still have old signals are downtown at Court and Race (https://goo.gl/maps/DXiTk5pPwoxZ3Haa8), Race and 9th (https://goo.gl/maps/PSgoM8upQh5pYXj47), and 9th and Sycamore (https://goo.gl/maps/jyynwzMyScbj6djR8). I think there's a few intersections around OTR and the West End that have some old signals, but those are being whittled away too. Sadly all the good signals in Norwood and Lockland are gone (there's still old signs to be found around there), and one lonely Crouse-Hinds beacon remains in St. Bernard at Mitchell and Bertus (https://goo.gl/maps/SXRraTTAc4hsV1Pq6) though with a new LED lamp.
Quote from: jjakucyk on December 07, 2020, 02:17:17 PM
The few places I can think of that still have old signals are downtown at... 9th and Sycamore (https://goo.gl/maps/jyynwzMyScbj6djR8)...
Wow they even have both the old ONE-WAY signs and the old street blades here.
Image from GSV
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201207/f4788a1f7fc8748862e5fa4cef2b49c5.jpg)
moto g(7) optimo (XT1952DL)
Quote from: seicer on December 07, 2020, 01:28:55 PM
Norwood, Ohio had a bunch of them at one point. GSV picked up a bunch of them before they were replaced. Some were so dingy with incandescent bulbs that you could barely make out the light!
https://goo.gl/maps/GgB4G9pwKaX1QMUy6
https://goo.gl/maps/6G9Ep9y7GZe45UWM7
https://goo.gl/maps/WXy8uaYGfQu2Z57D7
https://goo.gl/maps/ZtKR5z5VNDyp3FyX8 - flip to the newer GSV to see the "upgrade!"
Of interest is this old signal ( https://goo.gl/maps/xNEE9qZ2TuVzaTBE7 ) that was replaced with two heavier units that caused the whole span to sag ( https://goo.gl/maps/1eAuAXq7q87VQtrJ8 ) which led to just one unit remaining ( https://goo.gl/maps/DzKc2uRA5L1YuWCr9 ).
Regarding Norwood...check this out (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1624864,-84.4603089,3a,24.7y,343.39h,105.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRf4c9QnpCaAd0K8UyYFqbg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192/).
Quote from: STLmapboy on December 07, 2020, 06:46:07 PM
Regarding Norwood...check this out (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.1624864,-84.4603089,3a,24.7y,343.39h,105.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRf4c9QnpCaAd0K8UyYFqbg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192/).
They just replaced all those with 8" signals, and a couple of 8-12-12 setups for the arrows. It's really something to behold.
https://youtu.be/ow6GdQnPQFs
Was that a ... quack?
Then you have Elmwood Place, Ohio:
https://goo.gl/maps/797kfHBUSjjqDUB46 (are the colors flipped?)
Portsmouth, Ohio:
https://goo.gl/maps/AvhpLez7KyYPtzwTA
https://goo.gl/maps/8SqZBS2ANd69CzvHA (not that old, from an earlier renewal project but are fading fast)
New Boston, Ohio:
https://goo.gl/maps/qukZEwskDhLpwoC4A
https://goo.gl/maps/kPNp7bj1Rdk1DrzE9
https://goo.gl/maps/N3tPyMm9hAJKTmdv7
https://goo.gl/maps/Dkkt7i167HGpHwPK6
https://goo.gl/maps/CfVnSAEB7jddA3bu6
https://goo.gl/maps/2WwKGfoCfbKAqxbc9
Sciotoville, Ohio:
https://goo.gl/maps/2GsJjFbWABHoe2d96 (some now replaced)
Ironton, Ohio:
https://goo.gl/maps/ZMejSPovApE3uM3q7
https://goo.gl/maps/egQbRUFJgiRhU5yQA
Chesapeake, Ohio:
https://goo.gl/maps/Rh2AMo9aQ3RDWG798 - Nice collection of 12-8-8's with a light randomly missing and another almost completely missing
https://goo.gl/maps/vtbuHMsdivvm7y1f8 - Left turn on red with caution
Quote from: seicer on December 07, 2020, 01:28:55 PM
Norwood, Ohio had a bunch of them at one point. GSV picked up a bunch of them before they were replaced. Some were so dingy with incandescent bulbs that you could barely make out the light!
https://goo.gl/maps/GgB4G9pwKaX1QMUy6
https://goo.gl/maps/6G9Ep9y7GZe45UWM7
https://goo.gl/maps/WXy8uaYGfQu2Z57D7
https://goo.gl/maps/ZtKR5z5VNDyp3FyX8 - flip to the newer GSV to see the "upgrade!"
Of interest is this old signal ( https://goo.gl/maps/xNEE9qZ2TuVzaTBE7 ) that was replaced with two heavier units that caused the whole span to sag ( https://goo.gl/maps/1eAuAXq7q87VQtrJ8 ) which led to just one unit remaining ( https://goo.gl/maps/DzKc2uRA5L1YuWCr9 ).
The doghouses in the third link are ugly. The only clean ways for a 8-8-8-12-12 signal are in tower format or a MD style doghouse where the 8-8-8 is stacked neatly on the right and the 12-12 on the left. It just seems wrong to have the left side dangle under like it does in the picture.
Can you explain what is going on in the fourth link? Why does the side street not have a signal face? Also, what is the upgrade, I don't see a difference between the two GSVs?
For the last example, it also seems odd that they allowed a replacement signal with only one signal face. I see that the sag is the reason, but it is a problem that there is only one signal face in each direction.
QuoteCan you explain what is going on in the fourth link? Why does the side street not have a signal face? Also, what is the upgrade, I don't see a difference between the two GSVs?
The 2011 view shows the old/historic 8" signals, which by 2019 had been replaced with mismatched 12" units. My video from a couple weeks ago show that they were replaced again with 8" signals, excepting the 8-12-12 units with arrows. This is an offset intersection with Elm coming in as a one-way from the east. It's treated as a single intersection though, which is why there's only signals facing southbound Section/Allison at "west" Elm and not at "east" Elm. After southbound Section/Allison gets a red, northbound/eastbound Allison gets a green so there's no conflict from southbound traffic clearing the intersection before "east" Elm gets its green. It's sort of like split-phasing.
QuoteFor the last example, it also seems odd that they allowed a replacement signal with only one signal face.
They didn't. If you pan around a bit you can see the hanger and bare wire for the second signal cluster. Looks like Google just happened by after it was certainly hit by a truck but before they got the replacement up.
Quote from: mrsman on December 08, 2020, 01:41:28 PM
Quote from: seicer on December 07, 2020, 01:28:55 PM
Norwood, Ohio had a bunch of them at one point. GSV picked up a bunch of them before they were replaced. Some were so dingy with incandescent bulbs that you could barely make out the light!
https://goo.gl/maps/GgB4G9pwKaX1QMUy6
https://goo.gl/maps/6G9Ep9y7GZe45UWM7
https://goo.gl/maps/WXy8uaYGfQu2Z57D7
https://goo.gl/maps/ZtKR5z5VNDyp3FyX8 - flip to the newer GSV to see the "upgrade!"
Of interest is this old signal ( https://goo.gl/maps/xNEE9qZ2TuVzaTBE7 ) that was replaced with two heavier units that caused the whole span to sag ( https://goo.gl/maps/1eAuAXq7q87VQtrJ8 ) which led to just one unit remaining ( https://goo.gl/maps/DzKc2uRA5L1YuWCr9 ).
The doghouses in the third link are ugly. The only clean ways for a 8-8-8-12-12 signal are in tower format or a MD style doghouse where the 8-8-8 is stacked neatly on the right and the 12-12 on the left. It just seems wrong to have the left side dangle under like it does in the picture.
They kinda remind me of that episode of Family Guy when Quagmire is told by Peter he can watch all the porn he wants on the internet for free..
Not sure how old these actually are but...
Minden, LA
Not too many single four-ways (not sure what the technical name is) in Louisiana anymore
https://goo.gl/maps/RcyfrFm96o5apueu8
Shreveport, LA
I keep finding the old green light fixtures and small lights every time I go home to Shreveport.
https://goo.gl/maps/jwDp7R85vMG4YFn79
iPhone
Quote from: jjakucyk on December 08, 2020, 02:33:53 PM
QuoteCan you explain what is going on in the fourth link? Why does the side street not have a signal face? Also, what is the upgrade, I don't see a difference between the two GSVs?
The 2011 view shows the old/historic 8" signals, which by 2019 had been replaced with mismatched 12" units. My video from a couple weeks ago show that they were replaced again with 8" signals, excepting the 8-12-12 units with arrows. This is an offset intersection with Elm coming in as a one-way from the east. It's treated as a single intersection though, which is why there's only signals facing southbound Section/Allison at "west" Elm and not at "east" Elm. After southbound Section/Allison gets a red, northbound/eastbound Allison gets a green so there's no conflict from southbound traffic clearing the intersection before "east" Elm gets its green. It's sort of like split-phasing.
QuoteFor the last example, it also seems odd that they allowed a replacement signal with only one signal face.
They didn't. If you pan around a bit you can see the hanger and bare wire for the second signal cluster. Looks like Google just happened by after it was certainly hit by a truck but before they got the replacement up.
Seems a bit complex for what appears to be a mostly residential intersection. Is the signal even needed?
Quote from: roadfro on December 09, 2020, 11:45:35 AM
Seems a bit complex for what appears to be a mostly residential intersection. Is the signal even needed?
From a traffic volume standpoint, probably not, though it is right next to a high school so maybe they get bursts from time to time. It'd probably work fine with Allison/Section having priority and Elm having stop signs.
Quote from: bassoon1986 on December 08, 2020, 09:40:12 PM
Not sure how old these actually are but...
Minden, LA
Not too many single four-ways (not sure what the technical name is) in Louisiana anymore
https://goo.gl/maps/RcyfrFm96o5apueu8
Shreveport, LA
I keep finding the old green light fixtures and small lights every time I go home to Shreveport.
https://goo.gl/maps/jwDp7R85vMG4YFn79
iPhone
I would guess those are from the 60s or maybe 70s, judging by the similarity to setups here in Michigan.
Now in flash mode, but some of these Holyoke signals seem pretty old (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2109371,-72.6146898,3a,75y,125.66h,84.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWjvFZRwTnbU9tc9xr34k_g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Quote from: Caps81943 on December 23, 2020, 08:17:39 PM
Now in flash mode, but some of these Holyoke signals seem pretty old (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.2109371,-72.6146898,3a,75y,125.66h,84.75t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sWjvFZRwTnbU9tc9xr34k_g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Does anyone know -- if signals are placed on permanent flash mode, are stop signs required for the sides that face flashing red?
In Lansing, Michigan, there are a pair of Eagle Flatback traffic lights along with worded pedestrian signals.
https://youtu.be/FIdhlHjh9zE
A Crouse Hinds type DT 4-way beacon with LED indications in Ferndale, MI.
https://youtu.be/qbQnAJwa6-s
A Darley 4-way beacon in St. Louis, MI,
https://youtu.be/bhotQVFSGpU
Econolite short-groove signals in Durand, MI
https://youtu.be/_QlPThmWfuM
And then here's just a collection of my videos of old signals from 2018 through 2019.
https://youtu.be/HAapVWb-O3Q
How about old railroad signals? There was a wigwag crossing signal in Timber, OR when GSV rolled through in 2007, but as far as I can tell it was replaced by a modern gate (which was in turn replaced with a simple yield sign).
(https://i.imgur.com/JViPfi8.png)
On the subject of traffic signals, Longview, WA still has some WALK/DONT WALK ped signals (mostly on 12th and 14th Ave):
(https://i.imgur.com/VITB9gb.png)
They're often paired with these old looking signals that have black borders tacked on:
(https://i.imgur.com/TK9NGV9.png)(https://i.imgur.com/Ugipm1V.png)
Any signal geeks in the thread know what they are? Whatever's on the back can't be read from GSV, but if it's branding the logo looks a lot like the number 16:
(https://i.imgur.com/CEMTMh0.png)(https://i.imgur.com/w55RjBh.png)
(click all the images for larger sizes)
There is an insane number of ancient 4-way signals in Selma, AL. I keep looking at random intersections and I keep finding more:
https://www.google.ca/maps/@32.4148395,-87.0229343,3a,44.4y,97.97h,95.99t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soZVZvkzZrH0DT9H9vypvHg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.ca/maps/@32.4105301,-87.0203097,3a,75y,48.1h,93.29t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8du4MsScvfjAgJxSNpzkOw!2e0!5s20220201T000000!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.ca/maps/@32.4224213,-87.0143057,3a,31.1y,188.8h,95.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szsAlFyNaeO-pHkEhMDRCFg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.ca/maps/@32.4109935,-87.0157831,3a,33.7y,72.94h,88.89t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1smHhQ1ORhc5LH2f6zIMxY2Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.ca/maps/@32.4220161,-87.0315827,3a,74.5y,345.83h,100.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3TpLlaEF-G2ltfHV9OIL2Q!2e0!7i16384!8i8192
https://www.google.ca/maps/@32.4085677,-87.0142987,3a,30.6y,9.57h,91.93t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sS9qsiDkKH-ufD9R5qWKFAA!2e0!5s20221201T000000!7i16384!8i8192
RIP green light (https://www.google.ca/maps/@32.4098283,-87.0149703,3a,90y,67.68h,96.52t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1saui10j1d7G49ofa-DcVlUw!2e0!5s20221201T000000!7i16384!8i8192)
Not a super old signal, but another one in Selma with lights missing (both yellow and green!). I thought this was a special one-aspect signal until I looked at 2013 Streetview lol (https://www.google.ca/maps/@32.414821,-87.0314486,3a,59.3y,113.53h,98.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMgFBm5Pqb5tZ-qRIwu4mhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
A 4-way at this intersection was replaced sometime between 2017 and 2022 with no redundant signals (https://www.google.ca/maps/@32.4148524,-87.0216686,3a,75y,97.25h,92.64t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWirkwpH2eB3jbCUuG3oUSg!2e0!5s20221201T000000!7i16384!8i8192) "Please come to a complete stop before turning right on red camera enforced" I feel like the camera enforced thing is not true.
Quote from: CovalenceSTU on February 04, 2023, 02:13:06 AM
How about old railroad signals? There was a wigwag crossing signal in Timber, OR when GSV rolled through in 2007,
There was a Wig Wag Joplin a few tears back.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3504/3767767906_95f75ab608_z_d.jpg)
Quote from: US71 on March 31, 2023, 12:36:29 PM
a few tears back.
This sounds like the title of a sad country song. :)
Quote from: US71 on March 31, 2023, 12:36:29 PM
Quote from: CovalenceSTU on February 04, 2023, 02:13:06 AM
How about old railroad signals? There was a wigwag crossing signal in Timber, OR when GSV rolled through in 2007,
There was a Wig Wag Joplin a few tears back.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/3504/3767767906_95f75ab608_z_d.jpg)
I know your photo is from 2009, but it was still there as of 2018: https://goo.gl/maps/yrbwzqi2J4CEsqe4A
Recent aerial imagery would suggest it has been removed. EDIT: There was a culvert project right where the signal was, almost certainly it is now gone.
(Yes, I had to track the location down manually).
I'm kind of surprised nobody's mentioned this abandoned traffic light by Eastgate Town Center in Chattanooga. You can see it heading north on 24 at The Split:
https://goo.gl/maps/285StvXA5F1vCiTh7
The 2/3 doghouse and light on the pole pointing to nothing also add to the weirdness. Going back in time on GSV, it looks like it was at least in flashing mode until 2015-2016, around the same time two of the signal heads were lost.
Quote from: SilverMustang2011 on July 01, 2023, 10:26:47 AM
I'm kind of surprised nobody's mentioned this abandoned traffic light by Eastgate Town Center in Chattanooga. You can see it heading north on 24 at The Split:
https://goo.gl/maps/285StvXA5F1vCiTh7
The 2/3 doghouse and light on the pole pointing to nothing also add to the weirdness. Going back in time on GSV, it looks like it was at least in flashing mode until 2015-2016, around the same time two of the signal heads were lost.
It was deactivated between May-Aug 2019 (https://goo.gl/maps/QPQqCXSdTjYHrMz78), although by that point they had swapped the yellow arrow to the other side of the doghouse and at least one side wasn't flashing.
The light facing nothing was probably for pedestrians, a long time ago (pre-ADA?) pedestrian signals were optional and that was the solution for T intersections.
Quote from: CovalenceSTU on July 01, 2023, 04:56:04 PM
Quote from: SilverMustang2011 on July 01, 2023, 10:26:47 AM
I'm kind of surprised nobody's mentioned this abandoned traffic light by Eastgate Town Center in Chattanooga. You can see it heading north on 24 at The Split:
https://goo.gl/maps/285StvXA5F1vCiTh7
The 2/3 doghouse and light on the pole pointing to nothing also add to the weirdness. Going back in time on GSV, it looks like it was at least in flashing mode until 2015-2016, around the same time two of the signal heads were lost.
It was deactivated between May-Aug 2019 (https://goo.gl/maps/QPQqCXSdTjYHrMz78), although by that point they had swapped the yellow arrow to the other side of the doghouse and at least one side wasn't flashing.
The light facing nothing was probably for pedestrians, a long time ago (pre-ADA?) pedestrian signals were optional and that was the solution for T intersections.
The signal is totally dark in a couple of other shots. Perhaps its activation was dependent on time-of-year, how well the mall was doing, etc...
Way back in 2011: https://goo.gl/maps/BKdpx7jtHs6bh2yC9
Also here in 2017: https://goo.gl/maps/h1ZNwSFRux9fRYmWA
Discovered this old Sargent Sowell 4-way beacon in Bellaire, Michigan (https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9754603,-85.2150511,3a,23.1y,104.73h,107.07t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sKYKLdr5Q0GGJ6Q91IIk25Q!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DKYKLdr5Q0GGJ6Q91IIk25Q%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D104.72553928928622%26pitch%3D-17.069427687561216%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu).
Eagle Flatback traffic signals clusters in Fenton, Michigan (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.7963959,-83.7086147,3a,16.2y,307.24h,100.05t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQHl4LjOzXQo62Z914NuC-w!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DQHl4LjOzXQo62Z914NuC-w%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.share%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26yaw%3D307.236305570739%26pitch%3D-10.05154340671676%26thumbfov%3D90!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu).
I went to film traffic signals in Ironton, Ohio, back in June, and there's a lot of old signals there (including fixed 4-ways and 3-ways!). Some of them were inactive.
https://youtu.be/7v3aeg2V-z4?si=WEPG_fDGQlRQEHyc
Erie, Pennsylvania
(https://i.imgur.com/ZLIG4QT.png)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/bFLgBzu5MBxmM2ZV7
Kingston, Ontario
(https://i.imgur.com/CzQFsOe.png)
https://maps.app.goo.gl/7nQf2qiRK6PRne3o6
New York City :bigass:
Quote from: roadman65 on September 23, 2024, 09:29:40 PMNew York City :bigass:
You don't say...
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=23032.msg2334036#msg2334036
I found some WALK/DON'T WALK pedestrian signals in Bristow, OK:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/vYveXLGkXQjQz2Nb9
What model traffic signal is this? I'm not good with signal manufacturers. Also, a signal # sign?
Marion, VA
https://maps.app.goo.gl/F63MHyD86Gu1FVNN8?g_st=ac
Quote from: plain on November 03, 2024, 11:52:29 PMWhat model traffic signal is this? I'm not good with signal manufacturers. Also, a signal # sign?
Marion, VA
https://maps.app.goo.gl/F63MHyD86Gu1FVNN8?g_st=ac
That is an Eagle fixed 4-way traffic signal (if you're referring to the signal in the middle)
Quote from: CovalenceSTU on February 04, 2023, 02:13:06 AMAny signal geeks in the thread know what these are?
(https://i.imgur.com/CEMTMh0.png)(https://i.imgur.com/w55RjBh.png)
(click all the images for larger sizes)
These are 8-inch LFE/Automatic Signal traffic signals with aluminum housings.
Also, the worded pedestrian signals in Longview all appear to be 12-inch aluminum LFEs.
These have all since been replaced (mostly) with modernized everything, but back when I was little, these lights in particular always struck out to me as odd, since they shone with a lime green color instead of the usual deep green I saw all over the rest of town. They also had these old crosswalk lights, which may have been elsewhere in town in isolated areas before they too were removed for more modern fixtures. https://maps.app.goo.gl/vbr39pvQxcLD2wGs5
Quote from: Sapphuby on November 07, 2024, 12:56:15 AMThese have all since been replaced (mostly) with modernized everything, but back when I was little, these lights in particular always struck out to me as odd, since they shone with a lime green color instead of the usual deep green I saw all over the rest of town. They also had these old crosswalk lights, which may have been elsewhere in town in isolated areas before they too were removed for more modern fixtures. https://maps.app.goo.gl/vbr39pvQxcLD2wGs5
I've noticed a lot of older polycarbonate lenses tend to be of a bit of a greener green than the more modern ones (or most of their glass counterparts). I tend to see them in Durasig signals (in fact, I suspect the 12-8-8 Durasig I picked-up recently has some) though I seem to recall the aluminum Mark IV heads around Fort Payne, AL, had them as well prior to their LED upgrade within the past decade. I've also seen some aluminum and polycarbonate LFE heads with them too.
I'm no expert when it comes to traffic signals at all, but found this double signal at Terrace and Penora in Depew, NY that at least seemed odd, if not old:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54136217671_17a47365f8_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2qtQgri)
Quote from: Rothman on November 12, 2024, 10:00:43 PMI'm no expert when it comes to traffic signals at all, but found this double signal at Terrace and Penora in Depew, NY that at least seemed odd, if not old:
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/54136217671_17a47365f8_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2qtQgri)
That could be a two color red green signal that was converted to a beacon. Two color signals were common in NY a very long time ago. They were gone in most of the state by 1970 I believe. I saw one in the 90s in Orleans county (in Olcott) that was abandoned. (It has since been removed.)
Of course NYC were the last holdouts and still had a few in use in Far Rockaways, Queens as recently as 2010. Those are all gone now.
Not incredibly old, but these rare Checker signal heads were still in place in Wilder, KY until earlier this year:
(https://i.imgur.com/o9J32v6h.jpeg)
Quote from: Harvestman on November 17, 2024, 07:13:03 PMNot incredibly old, but these rare Checker signal heads were still in place in Wilder, KY until earlier this year:
I dream of a day when span wire signals are extinct
Quote from: epzik8 on November 17, 2024, 08:09:18 PMQuote from: Harvestman on November 17, 2024, 07:13:03 PMNot incredibly old, but these rare Checker signal heads were still in place in Wilder, KY until earlier this year:
I dream of a day when span wire signals are extinct
So does NYSDOT.
Quote from: steviep24 on November 13, 2024, 05:51:50 PMThat could be a two color red green signal that was converted to a beacon. Two color signals were common in NY a very long time ago. They were gone in most of the state by 1970 I believe. I saw one in the 90s in Orleans county (in Olcott) that was abandoned. (It has since been removed.)
Of course NYC were the last holdouts and still had a few in use in Far Rockaways, Queens as recently as 2010. Those are all gone now.
Did any survive long enough to be captured on GSV? I searched the 2007 imagery but didn't find anything.
Quote from: epzik8 on November 17, 2024, 08:09:18 PMQuote from: Harvestman on November 17, 2024, 07:13:03 PMNot incredibly old, but these rare Checker signal heads were still in place in Wilder, KY until earlier this year:
I dream of a day when span wire signals are extinct
Span wire signals are being used less and less here in CT. Mast arms seem to be preferred over four-lane surface streets. Wire spans are used for 5+ lane ones.
Hartford is replacing some old span wire signals on Main St., but the ones at State House Square are remaining.
Quote from: CovalenceSTU on November 19, 2024, 02:22:12 AMQuote from: steviep24 on November 13, 2024, 05:51:50 PMThat could be a two color red green signal that was converted to a beacon. Two color signals were common in NY a very long time ago. They were gone in most of the state by 1970 I believe. I saw one in the 90s in Orleans county (in Olcott) that was abandoned. (It has since been removed.)
Of course NYC were the last holdouts and still had a few in use in Far Rockaways, Queens as recently as 2010. Those are all gone now.
Did any survive long enough to be captured on GSV? I searched the 2007 imagery but didn't find anything.
This video is from 2008.
Quote from: steviep24 on November 25, 2024, 06:18:17 PMQuote from: CovalenceSTU on November 19, 2024, 02:22:12 AMQuote from: steviep24 on November 13, 2024, 05:51:50 PMThat could be a two color red green signal that was converted to a beacon. Two color signals were common in NY a very long time ago. They were gone in most of the state by 1970 I believe. I saw one in the 90s in Orleans county (in Olcott) that was abandoned. (It has since been removed.)
Of course NYC were the last holdouts and still had a few in use in Far Rockaways, Queens as recently as 2010. Those are all gone now.
Did any survive long enough to be captured on GSV? I searched the 2007 imagery but didn't find anything.
This video is from 2008.
Reading the description, the video may predate 2008 by months, if not years:
QuoteA shot of the last remaining red-green traffic lights out in Rockaway, Queens, New York City. Note that instead of yellow, the red and green are displayed simultaneously. These lights were discovered to be gone a few months later. RIP. The ones in Queens in the neighborhood of Ozone Park along Liberty Avenue are probably gone too.