It appears Kum and Go (https://www.ozarksfirst.com/news/longest-piece-of-route-66-left-in-springfield-bought-by-kum-go/1306689012) has purchased a section of property from MoDOT at Kearney St (Mo 744) and Glenstone (BL I-44) for a new store. On this land, lies a section of old US 66 and it appears Kum and Go intends to pave it over and post commemorative signage.
Here is Kum and Go's official response:
We don't have plans to change where the access road sits, but the road does need to be widened and resurfaced. And since this is considered to be part of the original Route 66, we'll be installing commemorative signage near the road when the store opens.
At least they are installing something to denote that 66 was there, that's a lot better than a lot sections have gotten. I had to look up the company "Kum & Go," I didn't realize that was even a thing with so many locations. The name sure isn't something you're likely to forget suffice to say.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 17, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
At least they are installing something to denote that 66 was there, that's a lot better than a lot sections have gotten. I had to look up the company "Kum & Go," I didn't realize that was even a thing with so many locations. The name sure isn't something you're likely to forget suffice to say.
They are a mainstay of the heartland.
Despite the name, the restrooms are usually quite clean. :-D
Quote from: triplemultiplex on July 18, 2018, 09:26:13 AM
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 17, 2018, 02:57:54 PM
At least they are installing something to denote that 66 was there, that's a lot better than a lot sections have gotten. I had to look up the company "Kum & Go," I didn't realize that was even a thing with so many locations. The name sure isn't something you're likely to forget suffice to say.
They are a mainstay of the heartland.
Despite the name, the restrooms are usually quite clean. :-D
Usually....
I bet nobody would give a shit if this were part of any other former route.
Could a US 66 historical marker be placed in front of the new store?
Quote from: NE2 on July 18, 2018, 01:03:16 PMI bet nobody would give a shit if this were part of any other former route.
US99?
Quote from: english si on July 18, 2018, 05:04:39 PM
Quote from: NE2 on July 18, 2018, 01:03:16 PMI bet nobody would give a shit if this were part of any other former route.
US99?
There is a following for US 99 that is pretty large as far as highways go but it's nowhere near as big as the 66 crowd. I've never heard anyone complain about segments of US 99 being endangered outside of a road forum. Here in Fresno they slapped a minor league ballpark on what was US 99 in Broadway only to turn around to try to convince everyone Fulton Street was the real Main Street of the City. Say that was US 66 there would be some minor uproar in the general populace. The High Speed Rail is threaten a lot of old US 99 segments, really outside of here nobody cares asides from general apathy towards said project.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 18, 2018, 04:53:11 PM
Could a US 66 historical marker be placed in front of the new store?
That seems to be what's proposed: paving over the endangered segment then posting a commemorative marker. I suggested: Under this parking lot lies old Route 66 than we paved over for our parking lot.
Quote from: US71 on July 18, 2018, 06:52:23 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 18, 2018, 04:53:11 PM
Could a US 66 historical marker be placed in front of the new store?
That seems to be what's proposed: paving over the endangered segment then posting a commemorative marker. I suggested: Under this parking lot lies old Route 66 than we paved over for our parking lot.
I don't know how serious ole Kum & Go is about branding standardization but there probably is an opportunity for them to deck the store out with some US 66 motifs aside from just a historic sign. Might lure in a curious passerby out some sort 66 excursion, seems to work out west.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 18, 2018, 07:20:16 PM
Quote from: US71 on July 18, 2018, 06:52:23 PM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on July 18, 2018, 04:53:11 PM
Could a US 66 historical marker be placed in front of the new store?
That seems to be what's proposed: paving over the endangered segment then posting a commemorative marker. I suggested: Under this parking lot lies old Route 66 than we paved over for our parking lot.
I don't know how serious ole Kum & Go is about branding standardization but there probably is an opportunity for them to deck the store out with some US 66 motifs aside from just a historic sign. Might lure in a curious passerby out some sort 66 excursion, seems to work out west.
That is supposedly part of the plan. Sort of like the suburbs where they cut down all the trees then name the streets after them. </s>
Based on the satellite imagery, it doesn't look like they'll be putting a parking lot there, just making the road (which is basically a glorified turning lane) wider to support access (likely putting the convenience store in the grassy area).
Saw a Facebook post from the Best Western Route 66 Rail Haven motel about stopping Kum 'n' Go and saving 66. Now I know what they were talking about.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 24, 2018, 10:03:08 AM
Saw a Facebook post from the Best Western Route 66 Rail Haven motel about stopping Kum 'n' Go and saving 66. Now I know what they were talking about.
I don't think they will totally stop them, but maybe work out a compromise of some kind. I know the Missouri 66 Association is involved.
Saved! (https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/now/2018/08/02/after-feedback-kum-go-preserve-part-route-66/879127002/) :clap: :clap:
Quote from: US71 on August 02, 2018, 07:48:03 PM
Saved! (https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/local/ozarks/now/2018/08/02/after-feedback-kum-go-preserve-part-route-66/879127002/) :clap: :clap:
That's great news, I'm sure they'll get more business with the historic section of the road still preserved at the store site. Part of my long range goals is to do all of 66 in photo albums, I definitely would stop in now that I know the original section will be preserved.
A couple photos I took during the Birthplace of 66 Featival
(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39091782_10214844480537999_832121871758524416_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=fe2a9208f8c69c797c41c755f639e4e2&oe=5C027E40)
(https://scontent-dfw5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/39070127_10214844472777805_5440861254858047488_o.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=7bf16e5d6c45a6a2ecf9aace2334afff&oe=5BFB264A)
I do agree that any original pavement that still exists of Old 66 (with possible exception to currently-utilized roadways) must be preserved at any cost.
Quote from: Road Hog on August 26, 2018, 08:24:00 PM
I do agree that any original pavement that still exists of Old 66 (with possible exception to currently-utilized roadways) must be preserved at any cost.
Why? What makes 66 special?
This is an original US-66 alignment built in 1926. Per the US-66 website, when the road was realigned out of Strafford, it came down and made a turn south at this location to reach downtown Springfield.
In 1936, downtown Springfield had become heavily congested with so many US routes converging, so they built Bypass US-66, which is now Kearney Street.
When the bypass opened, they stopped using this alignment and abandoned it in preference for a signaled intersection with Glenstone and small turn lanes.
I checked the aerials back to 1955 and it was not used even by then.
I am surprised it not only has lasted so long with the surrounding development, but also the fact its 82 years old!
Quote from: NE2 on August 26, 2018, 09:06:22 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on August 26, 2018, 08:24:00 PM
I do agree that any original pavement that still exists of Old 66 (with possible exception to currently-utilized roadways) must be preserved at any cost.
Why? What makes 66 special?
Because it represents a major change in American culture and mobility. Just 20 years prior we had to take a train to reach the west coast and it wasn't very cheap.
Now one could take a personal automobile, travel west at their own time and leisure, not beholden to a time schedule from a railroad.
A boy born in 1860 and who rode a wagon train moving 3-4 mph to California when he was 9, could now drive a car back east to where he came from in just a few days.
Quote from: edwaleni on August 27, 2018, 08:13:29 AM
Quote from: NE2 on August 26, 2018, 09:06:22 PM
Quote from: Road Hog on August 26, 2018, 08:24:00 PM
I do agree that any original pavement that still exists of Old 66 (with possible exception to currently-utilized roadways) must be preserved at any cost.
Why? What makes 66 special?
Because it represents a major change in American culture and mobility. Just 20 years prior we had to take a train to reach the west coast and it wasn't very cheap.
Now one could take a personal automobile, travel west at their own time and leisure, not beholden to a time schedule from a railroad.
A boy born in 1860 and who rode a wagon train moving 3-4 mph to California when he was 9, could now drive a car back east to where he came from in just a few days.
Several routes reached California, though. 6, 50, 80, ...
C'mon 1. 66 has a legendary status possibly above any other road in the U.S. "Get Your Kicks on Route 50" just doesn't have the same ring to it.
It's hard to explain to a non-believer like NE2, but it was a major road from Chicago to Los Angeles. It's not just about the road, but the stories that are told.
The roadway at Springfield is one of the last if not THE last section of roadway in Springfield or possibly Missouri. Word is it was finished by hand: something rarely seen anymore. Something you don't notice until you're actually walking it, is the texture of the pavement is different from how it is now. It's not just that it was 66, but the historical significance/relevance of the road itself.
Quote from: US71 on August 27, 2018, 09:28:07 AM
It's hard to explain to a non-believer like NE2, but it was a major road from Chicago to Los Angeles. It's not just about the road, but the stories that are told.
The roadway at Springfield is one of the last if not THE last section of roadway in Springfield or possibly Missouri. Word is it was finished by hand: something rarely seen anymore. Something you don't notice until you're actually walking it, is the texture of the pavement is different from how it is now. It's not just that it was 66, but the historical significance/relevance of the road itself.
66 in general does have a certain allure to it that other highways don't. Part of the charm of the original surface routes was the road side attractions and things you could see. Out west it's much of the same but then you have stories of infamy associated with places like Sitgreaves Pass and La Bajada Hill (granted almost everything west of Santa Fe has a lot in common with the NOTR). I can't think of any other highways in the US that still have or rather had so much to see and do that was worthwhile. Also, despite being decommissioned 66 essentially has become the highway that has refused to die. The only other highways that I've ever seen come close to the same level of reverence would be The Lincoln Highway and US 99.
The original IL-127 north of Greenville Illinois was laid in 1927 and it still exists. It's only 1 lane however as that was as wide as they made them back then.
My uncle said when opposing traffic would come, the rule was the northbound driver had to pull off into the grass and let the southbound go by.
It doesn't get the reverence US-66 does, but the locals won't let the county highway department tear it out. They finally had to close the bridge at IL-140, but Bond County built an access road around it so people could still drive it.
Old roads are a reminder to different eras, different ways of life. When you drove slow enough to see the world, enjoy the surroundings and not have to worry about cops running radar, left lane blockers and brake checkers.
I had the fortune of traversing the original US-66 back in 1968. I can still recall eating some of the best fried chicken, staying at "non-chain" motor inns (with air conditioning! yahoo!) and collecting NFL themed drinking glasses at Shell gas stations along the way.
Quote from: edwaleni on August 27, 2018, 12:07:05 PM
The original IL-127 north of Greenville Illinois was laid in 1927 and it still exists. It's only 1 lane however as that was as wide as they made them back then.
My uncle said when opposing traffic would come, the rule was the northbound driver had to pull off into the grass and let the southbound go by.
It doesn't get the reverence US-66 does, but the locals won't let the county highway department tear it out. They finally had to close the bridge at IL-140, but Bond County built an access road around it so people could still drive it.
Old roads are a reminder to different eras, different ways of life. When you drove slow enough to see the world, enjoy the surroundings and not have to worry about cops running radar, left lane blockers and brake checkers.
I had the fortune of traversing the original US-66 back in 1968. I can still recall eating some of the best fried chicken, staying at "non-chain" motor inns (with air conditioning! yahoo!) and collecting NFL themed drinking glasses at Shell gas stations along the way.
I think I explored old 127 when Kim Harvey did her St Louis meet a couple years ago.