http://www.bentoneveningnews.com/news/x1090831594/FREDCO-members-receive-update-on-Interstate-57-widening-project (http://www.bentoneveningnews.com/news/x1090831594/FREDCO-members-receive-update-on-Interstate-57-widening-project)
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Lots of fluff in that article, and some very dangerous assumptions on the part of the economic development folks.
Took a look at IDOT's traffic numbers. Looks like that stretch of I-57 averages low 30s for overall traffic, and about 10K for trucks. That's a good bit of trucks, comparable to I-10 across the Gulf Coast or I-40 across Tennessee, but not a high overall traffic level. And neither number compares to the slog that is I-81 through Virginia, so the claim from the article that I-57 "might be the busiest section of rural interstate in the United States" is bunk.
I could see 6-laning the I-57/64 duplex. But I'm not so sure about the need further south towards I-24.
Not too happy about this. I-57 is a rural freeway downstate that carries only a fraction of what is seen around Chicagoland. IDiOT would be better to put that money into widening I-80 first (which is a far busier rural freeway than I-57).
Not sure I quite agree with rural, maybe semi-rural, but I would agree with I-80 being a better candidate for widening - or for IDOT to start work on an Illinana bypass for I-80. Course I'm biased so I'd rather see I-24 be extended to a more useful terminus.
Populations along I-57 according to the 2000 census via Wikipedia:
Benton: 6880
West Frankfort: 12,949
Marion: 17,282 (micro area population of 63,617)
Herrin (Not on I-57 but fairly close): 11,835
Traffic volumes look close to those on I-70 across Missouri (but since IDOT can't have a more cooperative ADT map like Missouri, I can't look at most of the corridor today).
While that section of I-57 is the busiest outside Chicagoland, it's still very low, about 30,000 AADT. four-lane freeways can easily handle double that, and I even know of 4-lane freeways that carry over 100,000 AADT (not that that's something to desire, but it's possible).
I agree with Brandon here, putting tax dollars into road improvement would serve much more people in the Chicagoland area. However, I guess the widening can be very cheap, as such roads generally have a wide ROW in the median to support a third lane.
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2F9vdt34.png&hash=7a08c4a2be453cf46d9b9afa1f7fd90baf1e461f)
Quote from: Revive 755 on February 02, 2010, 04:15:38 PM
Traffic volumes look close to those on I-70 across Missouri (but since IDOT can't have a more cooperative ADT map like Missouri, I can't look at most of the corridor today).
Aside from their interactive map, which is indeed horrible, IDOT also publishes PDF files, check here (http://www.dot.il.gov/trafficmaps/table.htm)
http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2010/2010-2044.htm
The above s for Illinois 29 from Peoria to 80
I happen to think shared 4s would work just fine for most of the downstate arterials
As to 6 lanes IDOT wants to make 74 six near Champaign. 55 is near Springfield and its 30,000 as is 80 in Iowa 90/94 in WI and 65 in IN
False comparisons. Where 90/94 in Wisconsin is 6 lanes never drops below 46K ADT, with much of it being over 60K. The main places in Iowa where IaDOT wants to widen 80...Council Bluffs and Iowa City...are around 75K and 50K ADT respectively. Much more traffic than the Illinois location comparisons.
Yes they are busier.80 in Iowa is 30,000 in most of eastern Iowa and there are no planes for 6 lanes except in the Iowa City area. I think we agree there isnt really a need to widen 57 .
I should add there is no funding in IDOTs 5 year plan for this.
There is however money to study 74 near Mahomet even though no one has even asked for it
Okay, I wasn't sure where you were going with your previous post...
I have not been on the stretch of highway of I-57 for many years, but it kind of makes sense if there is more traffic coming from Nashville, TN to St Louis,MO during the summer season.
Wow. I don't have a horse in the race, but there are PLENTY of rural Interstates around the country with 30k. I don't know anything about the stats but 10k trucks seems like a lot. That's 417 trucks an hour assuming they were even all day and they weren't.
I'd guess this is more about throwing a bone to the folks in southern Illinois, who are frequently disgruntled by the perception of all their tax dollars going to Chicagoland, then actual logic.
Quote from: corco on May 30, 2010, 01:47:00 AM
I'd guess this is more about throwing a bone to the folks in southern Illinois, who are frequently disgruntled by the perception of all their tax dollars going to Chicagoland, then actual logic.
We have the same problem in Louisiana. North LA (which has few cultural ties to South Louisiana) complains about a lot of tax dollars being spent down here. Guess what? 75% of Louisiana lives below 31 north! I'd imagine Chicagoans are saying the same thing that they are the ones paying the taxes for the state so they should get their rightful proportional share.
It is mostly subrbanites that complain about the funding formula Downstate and the City are satsified with it Dwonstate gets about 60 percent of the money -We have the most road milage the Chicago area gets 40 PLUS transit money. Its suburbs with not a lotransitand tollroads that are least happy -Yet its those areas that are the most NIMBY on any new project
There is disagreemnet downstate about priorites however. A 6 laning of 74 in Champaign county was canceled and funding redirected
It would be wiser to widen I-57 through southern Cook, Will and Kankakee counties as expansion of the south suburbs continue. Every time I'm in the area, I see more new homes and businesses being built (which generates more traffic) and if a third Chicago airport is built near Peotone, there will be no choice but to widen.
IDOT has a website up for the I-57 widening project, with a brief power point presentation:
http://www.dot.state.il.us/i57/index.html (http://www.dot.state.il.us/i57/index.html)
Sound like the widening could include the multiplex with I-64.
Being familiar with this area, I can tell you the fact IDOT been building up bridges on 57 on this section for the past 10 years. Neither north-south alternate to 57, IL 37 and IL 148, can't handle any additional traffic if something bad happens to 57 on that section. (Someone posted a youtube video of a 3 mile long backup on IL 148 following a July 2010 accident that shut the interstate down for hours.) There has been several major interstate-closing accidents on that section of 57 in the past 10 years and that includes a train derailment on the railroad overpass over 57 in Benton and multiple fatal accidents (with quite a few in construction zones to boot). Back in 2004, IDiOT had to maintain 2 lanes in each direction traffic between Mt. Vernon and Benton for bridge work on that section of 57 that had construction. It gotten so bad that even the St. Louis TV news media has made past fatal accidents on that section of 57 as their top stories in the past, even though that section of 57 is on the outlying area of their viewing area.
The AADT in Mt. Vernon is pushing 50k vehicles per day, and Mt. Vernon is quickly transforming into "Fairview Heights East" with a big development boom that led IDiOT in building that new interchange because you couldn't get around town on Broadway (IL 15). There is a new hospital being built over there, and Marion built a new hospital near the corridor about 5 years ago. IDiOT also has recently announced plans of arevamped 57-13 interchange in Marion (http://www.thesouthern.com/news/local/article_ee6a2d3c-2450-11e0-b1c1-001cc4c002e0.html).
Last trip thru Mount Vernon in August. I was shocked how bad in shape I-57 is thru that area.
Quote from: ShawnP on January 22, 2011, 09:16:14 PM
Last trip thru Mount Vernon in August. I was shocked how bad in shape I-57 is thru that area.
Shawn-it's been that bad for a while now. I am excited to see the widening, as that is the only busy stretch of 57 in that area.
signs NB at the new exit (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=mt.+vernon,+il&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Mt+Vernon,+Jefferson,+Illinois&gl=us&ll=38.293877,-88.943639&spn=0.016336,0.042272&z=15&layer=c&cbll=38.294048,-88.943689&panoid=VXVwPnFjzEAlAagELqvTHQ&cbp=12,350.37,,0,-17.5) in clearview
wide bridge over IL 148 in Mt. Vernon (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=mt.+vernon,+il&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Mt+Vernon,+Jefferson,+Illinois&gl=us&ll=38.284614,-88.940163&spn=0.032675,0.084543&z=14&layer=c&cbll=38.284259,-88.939947&panoid=cp0CdYznts44YERtf_DvUQ&cbp=12,159.13,,0,5)
IDOT has set a date of 2013 by the time they widen I-57 in Mt. Vernon according to the Mt. Vernon Register News
http://register-news.com/local/x135629895/Interstate-57-expanding-to-six-lanes
I also drove down that entire corridor, and IDOT is building up some bridges near West Frankfort. Several bridges have been built up though there are several more to go.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMY8TXYpBP8
Here is a video I filmed on that section in question (sorry for that glare)
this morning there was another TT crash that shut down I-57 for hours in West Frankfort near that construction zone that has a past history of bad accidents
http://www.kfvs12.com/Global/story.asp?S=14039527
http://www.dot.state.il.us/I57-IL13/index.html
Brand new stuff from IDOT regarding to the interchange with IL 13 in Marion
IDOT also got I-57 restricted south of Mt. Vernon that is causing long delays during the daytime hours for a bridge project (another one they are beefing up). They're trying to get as much work done quickly because the bridge is near Rend Lake College and that college is in its summer semester session that gets much fewer students than the fall or spring semesters. I will have to go through there at least twice in the next 2 weeks.
Quote from: kharvey10 on June 08, 2011, 11:00:30 PM
http://www.dot.state.il.us/I57-IL13/index.html
Brand new stuff from IDOT regarding to the interchange with IL 13 in Marion
IDOT also got I-57 restricted south of Mt. Vernon that is causing long delays during the daytime hours for a bridge project (another one they are beefing up). They're trying to get as much work done quickly because the bridge is near Rend Lake College and that college is in its summer semester session that gets much fewer students than the fall or spring semesters. I will have to go through there at least twice in the next 2 weeks.
We used "Alternate A" to avoid that last week. Construction VMS touted "major delays ahead", and you could see the non-moving traffic beyond the I-57/64 southbound split. "Alternate A" follows Illinois 37 south to Illinois 154 west. We opted for all of that, though after the first exit, I-57 southbound appeared to be moving. Several truckers and a couple of other cars were using IL-37 to do the same thing. Definitely worked out better.
What I did not get was a random back up along Interstate 64, east of the split with US 50. We came to a complete stop, for nothing that seemed abnormal. There was a large burn pile by a barn to the south, and maybe that is what everyone stopped to see? Anyway, during one stoppage, Interstate 64 east looked more like a railroad line with freight cars lined up than a freeway. An insane amount of trucks! :-o
So will I-57 at Marion have the first instance of a DDI and SPUI next to each other?
won't be a DDI its more of a standard diamond with C/D ramps and a spui
I went back through that zone northbound and there was about a 8 mile delay from Rend Lake College exit (Ina) almost to 64 south split in the southbound lanes. Most of the traffic stuck in the delay was truck traffic (the locals know better, they either been using 37 or 148 in the area).
Quote from: kharvey10 on June 11, 2011, 09:23:01 PM
won't be a DDI its more of a standard diamond with C/D ramps and a spui
Looks like a DDI to me, unless there has been another revision.
http://www.dot.state.il.us/I57-IL13/docs/2%20-%20090607%20Plan%20Exhibit%20%28DDI%29.pdf (http://www.dot.state.il.us/I57-IL13/docs/2%20-%20090607%20Plan%20Exhibit%20%28DDI%29.pdf)
I will be driving that section of I-57 in mid August, as I head back to Atlanta from St. Louis. I am assuming that I will have to be mindfull of delays in the Marion/Carbondale area. Are these days all the time, or just at certain hours? I may want to consider SR 37 to get through that area.
Quote from: RoadWarrior56 on June 21, 2011, 07:16:50 AM
I will be driving that section of I-57 in mid August, as I head back to Atlanta from St. Louis. I am assuming that I will have to be mindfull of delays in the Marion/Carbondale area. Are these days all the time, or just at certain hours? I may want to consider SR 37 to get through that area.
Most of the delays are southbound only. The worst of the delays tend to happen during daylight hours as workers are more likely going to be out there.
There is work going on at the West Frankfort exit but that has no lane restrictions (there is a lane shift, however, and things will get tight).
Southbound is the direction I will be traveling on I-57 and likely in the morning hours. My northbound trip will be via Evansville, so I won't be anywhere near the construction zone in that direction. I may want to explore an alternate route in that area when I head south.
Widening work is underway in Mt. Vernon as I speak, with the northbound exit for IL 15 (Broadway) partially closed.
has nothing to do with the widening but the section of 57 through southern Illinois is 50 years old now
http://www.wsiltv.com/news/local/I-57-Marks-50th-Anniversary-130599218.html
Good link and the pavement thru Mt. Vernon looks every bit of 50 years old.
http://www.wsiltv.com/news/your-community/jefferson-washington/I-57-Work-Continues-in-Mt-Vernon-133572338.html
WSIL got this article tonight
I used to drive this highway pretty much every day between late 2006 and the end of 2007. I drove a delivery truck, and my usual route included I-57 from at least Mount Vernon (sometimes as far north as Effingham) down to Marion. Sometimes I would cover a route that would take me down to western Kentucky.
Traffic volumes are not substantially high in the area, and don't fluctuate much. I never encountered traffic backed up the entire time I lived and worked in the area except for road work and major accidents. However, as already noted, traffic volume is high enough to get nasty when lanes are reduced due to an accident or road work. I used to use IL-37, parallel to I-57, all the time - but only because I was making deliveries in every town along the way, and once when my personal car had a transaxle issue which caused it not to go over 2nd gear all the way from the Sesser exit to my home in Herrin. That road is two lanes with moderate traffic, no shoulders, and local access all along the way; Benton's downtown has an uncontrolled traffic circle which is terrible even with normal traffic; I have experienced it once when traffic was diverted from I-57, and I would never want to again. IL-148 is a decent alternate route (one I'm only familiar with south of Christopher), but only if you're going all the way from Mount Vernon to south of Marion.
The multiplex in Mount Vernon should have been three lanes each way for years now, and I wish I had lived there when they put in the Vets Memorial exit. In my opinion, this stretch is right on the line between needing to be widened and not needing to. I-64, I-70, and I-24 do just fine with their four lanes; if the money is there, I-57 is where it should go.
Yep, that traffic circle in Benton is a horrible mess.
If they would turn it into a proper roundabout with yield signs and no parking (though allowing ped traffic to the courthouse), it would be a little better. But, honestly, traffic volume is high enough that both streets need to be four-laned (which would turn the intersection into a two-lane roundabout); unfortunately, there isn't really room enough to do that.
My wife used to work at an office right on "The Square", as the circle is called, and I used to navigate it pretty much every day. At times, it barely functions at all, queueing traffic up for blocks in either direction. Totally insufficient as a relief route for I-57, and no real way around it (any potential bypass uses bumpy city and county roads).
Its been a long time since this been replied but there are several updates
1. The IL 13/Morgan Street interchange project is nearing completion, the SPUI is virtually complete and Morgan Street is getting some finishing touches.
2. Widening work is underway north of Marion.
3. Widening work in Mt. Vernon wrapped up November 2013. However, there is now work on the north split with I-64, now with lane closures and complete with black on orange I-57 and I-64 shields that just popped up last week.
4. I-57 from Mt. Vernon to Effingham is very rough, especially in Marion County (hint: controlled by District 8, long known to give zero **** to counties not in the Metro East - and there were some big epic fails this past winter on this part of 57).
What's IDOT doing at the north split between I-57 and I-64? That seems pretty recent.
Quote4. I-57 from Mt. Vernon to Effingham is very rough, especially in Marion County (hint: controlled by District 8, long known to give zero **** to counties not in the Metro East - and there were some big epic fails this past winter on this part of 57).
In fact, there are rough road signs as you enter Marion County on 57.
Cody: work at the interchange itself
By the way, these such signs are found in Ashley, Centralia, Mt. Vernon, and Sesser
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10204322407411120&set=pcb.720425928040660&type=1&theater
Good stuff. I've traveled that segment of I-57 many times and always felt that a third lane in each direction would help alleviate the rolling road blocks.
I've been looking at this portion of I-57 on Google Maps tonight (on street view), and thought about this thread, which I have looked at before in recent months.
I'd say this is indeed a good idea to widen the stretch, not to mention the asphalt looks like it could use a resurfacing anyway
https://www.google.com/maps/@37.7053327,-88.9629447,3a,75y,31.39h,88.42t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sm7iCcBNFSe0ChMEk8YJcXA!2e0
It kinda sucks how I-24 doesn't have a more direct path to St. Louis.
Quote from: Bobby5280 on October 21, 2014, 04:13:53 PM
It kinda sucks how I-24 doesn't have a more direct path to St. Louis.
If that were the case, then potentially I-57 wouldn't need to be widened between I-24 and I-64. I always wonder why it wasn't tied into I-255 at the IL 3 South interchange.
Quote from: codyg1985 on October 22, 2014, 07:51:21 AM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on October 21, 2014, 04:13:53 PM
It kinda sucks how I-24 doesn't have a more direct path to St. Louis.
If that were the case, then potentially I-57 wouldn't need to be widened between I-24 and I-64. I always wonder why it wasn't tied into I-255 at the IL 3 South interchange.
I think IDOT (or their predecessor) had a plan for I-24 to continue into either there or East St Louis. There's an odd stub of a freeway that I've never understood the existence for. Maybe one of the others could shed some light on it.
Here's the stub: https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.61231,-90.161533&spn=0.019986,0.042272&t=h&z=15
Quote from: Brandon on October 22, 2014, 10:41:21 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on October 22, 2014, 07:51:21 AM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on October 21, 2014, 04:13:53 PM
It kinda sucks how I-24 doesn't have a more direct path to St. Louis.
If that were the case, then potentially I-57 wouldn't need to be widened between I-24 and I-64. I always wonder why it wasn't tied into I-255 at the IL 3 South interchange.
I think IDOT (or their predecessor) had a plan for I-24 to continue into either there or East St Louis. There's an odd stub of a freeway that I've never understood the existence for. Maybe one of the others could shed some light on it.
Here's the stub: https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.61231,-90.161533&spn=0.019986,0.042272&t=h&z=15
That was built for the unconstructed US 460 freeway (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=u0460il). One proposal took it east a short distance to Illinois 15 at I-255.
Quote from: Alex on October 22, 2014, 11:21:19 AM
Quote from: Brandon on October 22, 2014, 10:41:21 AM
Quote from: codyg1985 on October 22, 2014, 07:51:21 AM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on October 21, 2014, 04:13:53 PM
It kinda sucks how I-24 doesn't have a more direct path to St. Louis.
If that were the case, then potentially I-57 wouldn't need to be widened between I-24 and I-64. I always wonder why it wasn't tied into I-255 at the IL 3 South interchange.
I think IDOT (or their predecessor) had a plan for I-24 to continue into either there or East St Louis. There's an odd stub of a freeway that I've never understood the existence for. Maybe one of the others could shed some light on it.
Here's the stub: https://www.google.com/maps?ll=38.61231,-90.161533&spn=0.019986,0.042272&t=h&z=15
That was built for the unconstructed US 460 freeway (https://www.aaroads.com/guide.php?page=u0460il). One proposal took it east a short distance to Illinois 15 at I-255.
That's what I thought, ultimately connecting to the IL-15 expressway around Belleville. It would've worked for connecting I-24 as well. However, IIRC, the route could never be justified due to traffic counts and the proximity of I-55 on the west side of the Mississippi River. There was a study to extend I-24 as a tollway in the 1970s/1980s, and the proposed traffic counts were still too low.
I-24 might have been more viable there if the original plan for I-64 was followed. I-64 was supposed to follow US-50 east to Vincennes (the freeway there is a part of it). In that scenario, I-24 could've gone more directly to Carbondale from East St Louis without another freeway in close proximity.
Knowing what the area looks like from a map point of view, I'm not surprised traffic counts would be too low for I-24 to be extended to St. Louis, though it'd be cool if I-24 was extended. If it was, one interesting thing would be that St Louis would have three 2di interstates ending in 4.
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 22, 2014, 02:43:15 PM
Knowing what the area looks like from a map point of view, I'm not surprised traffic counts would be too low for I-24 to be extended to St. Louis, though it'd be cool if I-24 was extended. If it was, one interesting thing would be that St Louis would have three 2di interstates ending in 4.
And all of them would end in the St. Louis area too, in this case.
Quote from: codyg1985 on October 22, 2014, 02:46:43 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 22, 2014, 02:43:15 PM
Knowing what the area looks like from a map point of view, I'm not surprised traffic counts would be too low for I-24 to be extended to St. Louis, though it'd be cool if I-24 was extended. If it was, one interesting thing would be that St Louis would have three 2di interstates ending in 4.
And all of them would end in the St. Louis area too, in this case.
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Quote from: codyg1985 on October 22, 2014, 02:46:43 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 22, 2014, 02:43:15 PM
Knowing what the area looks like from a map point of view, I'm not surprised traffic counts would be too low for I-24 to be extended to St. Louis, though it'd be cool if I-24 was extended. If it was, one interesting thing would be that St Louis would have three 2di interstates ending in 4.
And all of them would end in the St. Louis area too, in this case.
Find a fourth one to end in St Louis that is an I-x4 (say, hypothetical I-54), and you'd have a very unlucky metro area if you believe in Chinese numerology. As it is, you'd have I-2
4, I-
44, and I-6
4.
Quote from: codyg1985 on October 22, 2014, 07:51:21 AM
Quote from: Bobby5280 on October 21, 2014, 04:13:53 PM
It kinda sucks how I-24 doesn't have a more direct path to St. Louis.
If that were the case, then potentially I-57 wouldn't need to be widened between I-24 and I-64. I always wonder why it wasn't tied into I-255 at the IL 3 South interchange.
The unbuilt supplemental freeway that probably would have be signed as an I-24 extension was to have gone through both I-255 interchanges with IL 3 and ended at the IL 3 connection to I-55 at the PSB Complex:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi1375.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fag457%2Frevive755%2FUS41FreewayStudyFigure4_zps205bb48b.jpg&hash=368714f619e3c7b8673c3394eccdc6c4c0117314)
There had been consideration of using IL 15 to tie in the corridor, but back when this concept was being proposed in the late 1960's/early 1970's the selected corridor was intended to serve the unbuilt airport near Waterloo.
Quote from: Revive 755 on October 22, 2014, 08:24:21 PM
The unbuilt supplemental freeway that probably would have be signed as an I-24 extension was to have gone through both I-255 interchanges with IL 3 and ended at the IL 3 connection to I-55 at the PSB Complex
And would not have saved any distance over 57-64. Hence it was a
supplemental freeway.
I also just thought about the fact that Illinois has four 2di interstates ending in 4 within its borders (I-24, I-64, I-74, & I-94).
Now back on topic. :bigass:
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 23, 2014, 07:36:27 AM
I also just thought about the fact that Illinois has four 2di interstates ending in 4 within its borders (I-24, I-64, I-74, & I-94).
Now back on topic. :bigass:
I thought I-74 ends in Iowa.
Quote from: Gnutella on October 23, 2014, 06:05:28 PM
Quote from: adventurernumber1 on October 23, 2014, 07:36:27 AM
I also just thought about the fact that Illinois has four 2di interstates ending in 4 within its borders (I-24, I-64, I-74, & I-94).
Now back on topic. :bigass:
I thought I-74 ends in Iowa.
No, it ends in 4.