Yes, we all know of such a thing, although they aren't found everywhere. The debated regional treatments have been covered here before, I think, but I just found these linkies that stir the pot a bit, and try to give an origin to the term 'feeder road'. Warning, the podcast in the second link is a bit cringeworthy at times, especially in the musical interludes.
https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/talk-like-texan-story-behind-feeder-road/
https://www.texasmonthly.com/podcast/talk-like-texan-feeder-roads/
You mean service drives? Like along the Detroit freeways?
I've never seen one outside Atlanta, and I find the fact that they're one-way and it requires such a long detour to go back in the other direction to be a giant pain and far more trouble than it's worth.
Missouri calls them Frontage Roads
QuoteMissouri calls them Frontage Roads
Most of the Upper Midwest does...
In Virginia its half of the previous arterial like the frontage road alongside I-64 near Williamsburg, VA. It used to be the EB lanes of defunct VA 168 where VDOT made the former WB lanes of the road into part of today's freeway. However, at one time that was the sole carriageway of VA 168 as its former WB roadway was added later.
Most states where a freeway took over an existing arterial or expressway has them to access the businesses that were not in the way when the freeway ROW was being transformed. For example, most of the I-70 Frontage Roads in Missouri were once part of US 40 that is now on the freeway except from Booneville to Columbia where I-70 did get put on its very own path. Also I-70 east of Wentzville, where US 40 runs with I-64 (also an upgraded arterial to freeway from the original US 40 & 61), that I believe was another old route. I am not sure its number, but I heard from Alex that it might of been an ALT US 40 designation there.
Quote from: US71 on August 13, 2018, 09:30:42 AM
Missouri calls them Frontage Roads
Seems 'Outer Road' is used more often in eastern Missouri, if not overall in Missouri:
WB Route E near I-55 Exit 111 (https://goo.gl/maps/quy2cBR1dWn)
Route HH near I-55 Exit 69 (https://goo.gl/maps/sT3VupGCpA82)
Imperial Main Street west of I-55 Exit 186 (https://goo.gl/maps/J3P5LRHsLfE2)
US 50 at I-44 Exit 247 (https://goo.gl/maps/MmbsDDEDq4z)
"South Outer 364" in St. Charles County (https://goo.gl/maps/9g5BZUEjaA12)
"North Outer Fourty" near Chesterfield (https://goo.gl/maps/ov26M8rocCx)
East Outer Road east of US 61 at Frankford (https://goo.gl/maps/7GYFJzYqjqy)
Outer Road along I-29 at US 136 (https://goo.gl/maps/ddZPu9FSGTM2)
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Quote from: US71 on August 13, 2018, 09:30:42 AM
Missouri calls them Frontage Roads
Seems 'Outer Road' is used more often in eastern Missouri, if not overall in Missouri:
WB Route E near I-55 Exit 111 (https://goo.gl/maps/quy2cBR1dWn)
Route HH near I-55 Exit 69 (https://goo.gl/maps/sT3VupGCpA82)
Imperial Main Street west of I-55 Exit 186 (https://goo.gl/maps/J3P5LRHsLfE2)
US 50 at I-44 Exit 247 (https://goo.gl/maps/MmbsDDEDq4z)
"South Outer 364" in St. Charles County (https://goo.gl/maps/9g5BZUEjaA12)
"North Outer Fourty" near Chesterfield (https://goo.gl/maps/ov26M8rocCx)
East Outer Road east of US 61 at Frankford (https://goo.gl/maps/7GYFJzYqjqy)
Outer Road along I-29 at US 136 (https://goo.gl/maps/ddZPu9FSGTM2)
That may be what the official name is. But I lived in St Louis from 1987 until two months ago and we always referred to them frontage roads unless it has a regular name.
Dunn Road and Pershall Road
[url=https://www.google.com/maps/@38.6260868,-90.4510564,16z?hl=en (https://www.google.com/maps/@38.771041,-90.2803847,16z?hl=en%5B/url) Des Peres Road, Cedar Valley Road, and Municipal Center Drive
If I heard someone refer to Outer Road, that is what I would assume is the official name. It's a handy reference (and normally preceded by the number before Road). But I think that's a quick way for the state to name the road rather than a generic term for use.
Quote from: froggie on August 13, 2018, 09:44:48 AM
QuoteMissouri calls them Frontage Roads
Most of the Upper Midwest does...
Michigan begs to differ with you. We use "Service Drive" if you use them to exit and enter the freeway. "Frontage Roads" do not connect to the freeway in any way, shape, or form.
Quote from: abefroman329 on August 13, 2018, 09:25:28 AM
I've never seen one outside Atlanta, and I find the fact that they're one-way and it requires such a long detour to go back in the other direction to be a giant pain and far more trouble than it's worth.
I'll bet you've seen them closer to home, they're just not called anything special in Chicago.
Example on the Ryan: https://goo.gl/maps/S9Adbg7uwQr
Example on the Ike: https://goo.gl/maps/RdmmBfUYK6w
As for Detroit, they're Service Drives (as noted before), and they're pretty consistent throughout the freeway system.
11 Mile Rd aka Reuther Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/XJuuTGD4zYM2
Chrysler Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/Aq8Jb8hqSm72
Davison Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/mYKzkLvSk312
Lodge Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/W3Z9L8ebMkL2
Jeffries Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/9E5auYaKdMn (and Schoolcraft Rd)
Southfield Rd aka Southfield Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/73T113XZyAL2
Fisher Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/ZudtqQ72Bn12
Ford Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/LFZbpSGxiUQ2
Quote from: Brandon on August 14, 2018, 12:52:27 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on August 13, 2018, 09:25:28 AM
I've never seen one outside Atlanta, and I find the fact that they're one-way and it requires such a long detour to go back in the other direction to be a giant pain and far more trouble than it's worth.
I'll bet you've seen them closer to home, they're just not called anything special in Chicago.
Example on the Ryan: https://goo.gl/maps/S9Adbg7uwQr
Example on the Ike: https://goo.gl/maps/RdmmBfUYK6w
As for Detroit, they're Service Drives (as noted before), and they're pretty consistent throughout the freeway system.
11 Mile Rd aka Reuther Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/XJuuTGD4zYM2
Chrysler Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/Aq8Jb8hqSm72
Davison Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/mYKzkLvSk312
Lodge Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/W3Z9L8ebMkL2
Jeffries Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/9E5auYaKdMn (and Schoolcraft Rd)
Southfield Rd aka Southfield Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/73T113XZyAL2
Fisher Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/ZudtqQ72Bn12
Ford Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/LFZbpSGxiUQ2
Might be worth noting that the Lodge Service Drive turns into the James Couzens Service Drive at the Wyoming curve but the freeway itself keeps the Lodge name. I know at one time the Lodge turned into the James Couzens at that curve but they never switched the service drive names when they switched the freeway name. And even further, the service drive switches names again after 8 Mile while the freeway keeps the Lodge name before turning into Northwestern Highway after the Mixing Bowl interchange which is the service drive name that it became after 8 Mile.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4053747,-83.1604587,17.2z
Quote from: abefroman329 on August 13, 2018, 09:25:28 AM
I’ve never seen one outside Atlanta, and I find the fact that they’re one-way and it requires such a long detour to go back in the other direction to be a giant pain and far more trouble than it’s worth.
Obviously you’ve never been to Texas. Those things are all over the place out there. In fact, they are so ubiquitous out there that they’re commonly called “Texas style frontage roads”.
They’re called “frontage roads” here in Utah. Never anything else like “service drive”, “access road” or “feeder”. One-way frontage roads with slip ramps are rare in the state, though they do exist on the US 89 freeway in Farmington, and there are plans to install them on several future freeways. However, two-way roads running alongside a freeway are quite common. These are always called “Frontage Road” unless the city has come up with another name for it.
"Frontage road" here in WA, and in OR as well. Not always roads with freeway ramps, and some that are two-way.
To be honest, they're quite rare. In WA, the only examples of this type of road are signed with the term "Frontage":
- "South Frontage Road", WA-509 in Tacoma (legit frontage road): https://goo.gl/Yjkz95
- "North Frontage Road", WA-509 in Tacoma (other side of above): https://goo.gl/4AWcMV
- "Frontage Road", in Auburn (two-way, no freeway ramps): https://goo.gl/rQDhro
- "Frontage Road", in Kent (same as above): https://goo.gl/htJp6y
The parallel road west of the Eastshore Freeway (I-80/I-580) in Emeryville is simply called "Frontage Road" if I recall:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/W+Frontage+Rd,+Emeryville,+CA/@37.8437465,-122.3003087,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x80857ee4550b0c8f:0xf54095d5f99e2419!8m2!3d37.8437423!4d-122.2981147
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 14, 2018, 01:24:13 AM
Quote from: Brandon on August 14, 2018, 12:52:27 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on August 13, 2018, 09:25:28 AM
I've never seen one outside Atlanta, and I find the fact that they're one-way and it requires such a long detour to go back in the other direction to be a giant pain and far more trouble than it's worth.
I'll bet you've seen them closer to home, they're just not called anything special in Chicago.
Example on the Ryan: https://goo.gl/maps/S9Adbg7uwQr
Example on the Ike: https://goo.gl/maps/RdmmBfUYK6w
As for Detroit, they're Service Drives (as noted before), and they're pretty consistent throughout the freeway system.
11 Mile Rd aka Reuther Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/XJuuTGD4zYM2
Chrysler Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/Aq8Jb8hqSm72
Davison Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/mYKzkLvSk312
Lodge Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/W3Z9L8ebMkL2
Jeffries Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/9E5auYaKdMn (and Schoolcraft Rd)
Southfield Rd aka Southfield Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/73T113XZyAL2
Fisher Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/ZudtqQ72Bn12
Ford Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/LFZbpSGxiUQ2
Might be worth noting that the Lodge Service Drive turns into the James Couzens Service Drive at the Wyoming curve but the freeway itself keeps the Lodge name. I know at one time the Lodge turned into the James Couzens at that curve but they never switched the service drive names when they switched the freeway name. And even further, the service drive switches names again after 8 Mile while the freeway keeps the Lodge name before turning into Northwestern Highway after the Mixing Bowl interchange which is the service drive name that it became after 8 Mile.
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4053747,-83.1604587,17.2z
The Chrysler Service Drive also changes to Stephenson Highway north of I-696.
Quote from: Brandon on August 14, 2018, 12:42:54 AM
Quote from: froggie on August 13, 2018, 09:44:48 AM
QuoteMissouri calls them Frontage Roads
Most of the Upper Midwest does...
Michigan begs to differ with you. We use "Service Drive" if you use them to exit and enter the freeway. "Frontage Roads" do not connect to the freeway in any way, shape, or form.
Michigan isn't Upper Midwest...😌
Hey, in New York they're known as "service roads," even when they're two-way. I tend to call the ones that run in the same direction as the lanes in the main roads as "service roads" and the bi-directional ones as "frontage roads," even in New York.
In NJ: Frontage Road: https://goo.gl/maps/gHkzb7mRHJ42 :cool:
Otherwise, NJ has very few true parallel roads. One along 295 near Exits 21-22 is termed an Access Road in their documents: https://www.state.nj.us/transportation/refdata/traffic_orders/speed/crownpoint_east.shtm
Quote from: froggie on August 14, 2018, 07:11:02 AM
Quote from: Brandon on August 14, 2018, 12:42:54 AM
Quote from: froggie on August 13, 2018, 09:44:48 AM
QuoteMissouri calls them Frontage Roads
Most of the Upper Midwest does...
Michigan begs to differ with you. We use "Service Drive" if you use them to exit and enter the freeway. "Frontage Roads" do not connect to the freeway in any way, shape, or form.
Michigan isn't Upper Midwest...😌
Excuse me!?! Upper Midwest is Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Dakotas. Lower Midwest is Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, northern Missouri, Nebraska, and Kansas. Look it up.
Quote from: Brandon on August 14, 2018, 12:52:27 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on August 13, 2018, 09:25:28 AM
I've never seen one outside Atlanta, and I find the fact that they're one-way and it requires such a long detour to go back in the other direction to be a giant pain and far more trouble than it's worth.
I'll bet you've seen them closer to home, they're just not called anything special in Chicago.
Example on the Ryan: https://goo.gl/maps/S9Adbg7uwQr
Example on the Ike: https://goo.gl/maps/RdmmBfUYK6w
As for Detroit, they're Service Drives (as noted before), and they're pretty consistent throughout the freeway system.
11 Mile Rd aka Reuther Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/XJuuTGD4zYM2
Chrysler Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/Aq8Jb8hqSm72
Davison Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/mYKzkLvSk312
Lodge Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/W3Z9L8ebMkL2
Jeffries Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/9E5auYaKdMn (and Schoolcraft Rd)
Southfield Rd aka Southfield Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/73T113XZyAL2
Fisher Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/ZudtqQ72Bn12
Ford Service Dr: https://goo.gl/maps/LFZbpSGxiUQ2
Right, plus, for example, Bryn Mawr where it runs alongside the Kennedy.
Quote from: US 89 on August 14, 2018, 01:46:33 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on August 13, 2018, 09:25:28 AM
I've never seen one outside Atlanta, and I find the fact that they're one-way and it requires such a long detour to go back in the other direction to be a giant pain and far more trouble than it's worth.
Obviously you've never been to Texas. Those things are all over the place out there. In fact, they are so ubiquitous out there that they're commonly called "Texas style frontage roads" .
They're called "frontage roads" here in Utah. Never anything else like "service drive" , "access road" or "feeder" . One-way frontage roads with slip ramps are rare in the state, though they do exist on the US 89 freeway in Farmington, and there are plans to install them on several future freeways. However, two-way roads running alongside a freeway are quite common. These are always called "Frontage Road" unless the city has come up with another name for it.
That is mostly correct, I have been to Texas, but only to change planes at DFW and IAH, and did not leave the airport.
Quote from: Brandon on August 14, 2018, 08:55:56 AM
Quote from: froggie on August 14, 2018, 07:11:02 AM
Quote from: Brandon on August 14, 2018, 12:42:54 AM
Quote from: froggie on August 13, 2018, 09:44:48 AM
QuoteMissouri calls them Frontage Roads
Most of the Upper Midwest does...
Michigan begs to differ with you. We use "Service Drive" if you use them to exit and enter the freeway. "Frontage Roads" do not connect to the freeway in any way, shape, or form.
Michigan isn't Upper Midwest...😌
Excuse me!?! Upper Midwest is Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Dakotas. Lower Midwest is Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, northern Missouri, Nebraska, and Kansas. Look it up.
I looked it up and saw the same thing you did. I agree, although an argument could be made for splitting Iowa along US 20.
From the '50's to the late '80's, a number of exits on US 99, and later CA 99, in the San Joaquin Valley were simply signed as "Frontage Road", as that was the first surface facility the ramps reached (some of them were barely more than RIRO's). Starting in the '80's, though, many of these were either removed or re-signed with the names of the closest intersecting road in order to provide improved local navigation.
Quote from: BrandonExcuse me!?! Upper Midwest is Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Dakotas. Lower Midwest is Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, northern Missouri, Nebraska, and Kansas. Look it up.
As with the Midwest in general, there are several different definitions, hence the smiley face. Some definitions skip Michigan. Others include Michigan but skip the Dakotas. Then there's the Weather Service which includes both.
Of course, if you go back to my initial post, I didn't say that all of the Upper Midwest uses Frontage Road. But you seemed to take it as such.
Quote from: froggie on August 14, 2018, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: BrandonExcuse me!?! Upper Midwest is Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Dakotas. Lower Midwest is Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, northern Missouri, Nebraska, and Kansas. Look it up.
As with the Midwest in general, there are several different definitions, hence the smiley face.
Not seeing a smiley face on Chrome:
(https://i.imgur.com/fW3cdw7.png)
Michigan is indeed in the Midwest and it's in the northern part of the Midwest, what else you going to call it? I remember several years ago someone tried telling me that Michigan isn't a part of the Midwest but rather the Northeast. My comment was yeah maybe if your in California but Michigan is not a part of the Northeast.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 14, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Michigan is indeed in the Midwest and it's in the northern part of the Midwest, what else you going to call it? I remember several years ago someone tried telling me that Michigan isn't a part of the Midwest but rather the Northeast. My comment was yeah maybe if [you're] in California but Michigan is not a part of the Northeast.
You would be punctilious in assuming that. As a native west-coaster, I wouldn't readily consider Michigan part of the upper midwest. Why? It's part of the Eastern Time Zone.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2018, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 14, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Michigan is indeed in the Midwest and it's in the northern part of the Midwest, what else you going to call it? I remember several years ago someone tried telling me that Michigan isn't a part of the Midwest but rather the Northeast. My comment was yeah maybe if [you're] in California but Michigan is not a part of the Northeast.
You would be punctilious in assuming that. As a native west-coaster, I wouldn't readily consider Michigan part of the upper midwest. Why? It's part of the Eastern Time Zone.
Why would that matter? Time zone is determined by longitude, and whether it's "upper" or not is determined by latitude.
Quote from: 1 on August 14, 2018, 03:26:18 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2018, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 14, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Michigan is indeed in the Midwest and it's in the northern part of the Midwest, what else you going to call it? I remember several years ago someone tried telling me that Michigan isn't a part of the Midwest but rather the Northeast. My comment was yeah maybe if [you're] in California but Michigan is not a part of the Northeast.
You would be punctilious in assuming that. As a native west-coaster, I wouldn't readily consider Michigan part of the upper midwest. Why? It's part of the Eastern Time Zone.
Why would that matter? Time zone is determined by longitude, and whether it's "upper" or not is determined by latitude.
?? -- it can't be in any area of the Midwest at all if it's in the eastern time zone.
^ Are you seriously implying that the majority of da UP is part of the "northeast"? :rolleyes:
Around here the parallel roads alongside major roads are generally two-way; "frontage road" and "service road" are used interchangeably and, in my experience, rather evenly. It's not just exclusively freeways, either: College Ave/WI-125 between the US (I) 41 interchange and the big bridge between Perkins St and Linwood Ave has a frontage road on each side, though they are RIRO on intersecting streets so as to avoid some idiot zooming down the frontage roads at 50 mph trying to bypass traffic.
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Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2018, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 14, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Michigan is indeed in the Midwest and it's in the northern part of the Midwest, what else you going to call it? I remember several years ago someone tried telling me that Michigan isn't a part of the Midwest but rather the Northeast. My comment was yeah maybe if [you're] in California but Michigan is not a part of the Northeast.
You would be punctilious in assuming that. As a native west-coaster, I wouldn't readily consider Michigan part of the upper midwest. Why? It's part of the Eastern Time Zone.
Why would that matter? Time zone is determined by longitude, and whether it's "upper" or not is determined by latitude.
?? -- it can't be in any area of the Midwest at all if it's in the eastern time zone.
Time zones are lines on a map. They don't make any cultural or geographical distinctions. For example: most of the South lies in the Central time zone. Would you say Georgia can't be part of the South because it's in the Eastern time zone?
Ohio and most of Indiana are in the Eastern time zone, and parts of Kansas, Nebraska, and both Dakotas are even in the
Mountain time zone, but that doesn't make those places any less Midwestern.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2018, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 14, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Michigan is indeed in the Midwest and it's in the northern part of the Midwest, what else you going to call it? I remember several years ago someone tried telling me that Michigan isn't a part of the Midwest but rather the Northeast. My comment was yeah maybe if [you're] in California but Michigan is not a part of the Northeast.
You would be punctilious in assuming that. As a native west-coaster, I wouldn't readily consider Michigan part of the upper midwest. Why? It's part of the Eastern Time Zone.
The Midwest is generally anywhere between the mountains on either side of the country. The border of Michigan is only about one hour away from Chicago, and there are no major regional differences in geography or culture in between. Michigan is part of the Midwest.
Quote from: Super Mateo on August 14, 2018, 06:48:18 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2018, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 14, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Michigan is indeed in the Midwest and it's in the northern part of the Midwest, what else you going to call it? I remember several years ago someone tried telling me that Michigan isn't a part of the Midwest but rather the Northeast. My comment was yeah maybe if [you're] in California but Michigan is not a part of the Northeast.
You would be punctilious in assuming that. As a native west-coaster, I wouldn't readily consider Michigan part of the upper midwest. Why? It's part of the Eastern Time Zone.
The Midwest is generally anywhere between the mountains on either side of the country. The border of Michigan is only about one hour away from Chicago, and there are no major regional differences in geography or culture in between. Michigan is part of the Midwest.
I grew up and was a resident of Wisconsin until I was 31. I also majored in Geography. So by both anecdotal experience and my education, Michigan is part of the Upper Midwest.
The Midwest is usual considered the pre-expansion Big Ten states - MN, WI, MI, OH, IN, IL, and IA - along with MO, ND, SD, NE, and KS. OH is rarely lumped into the Northeast or northeast subregions. MO is sometimes part of the South. The four westernmost states are sometimes lumped into a separate category called the Great Plains states with OK (and occasionally TX). But I've never seen MI considered anything but Midwest.
When I first heard of the Garden State Parkway in Brick Township, NJ adding a service road between NJ 70 and Ocean County 528, I thought they were adding normal off freeway frontage roads for local access. It turns out that the NJTA considers what everyone else calls a collector distributor roadway a service road.
At one time NJDOT signed NJ 173 from Exit 13 as Frontage Road, but changed it later to Service Road.
I really believe NJ does not care what a parallel road is called as most have street names to em, and are just another road like in Irvington, the Eastern Parkway (which fronts the GSP) is not looked at by locals as part of the Parkway, but as a city street in the municipality.
Quote from: froggie on August 14, 2018, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: BrandonExcuse me!?! Upper Midwest is Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Dakotas. Lower Midwest is Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, northern Missouri, Nebraska, and Kansas. Look it up.
As with the Midwest in general, there are several different definitions, hence the smiley face. Some definitions skip Michigan. Others include Michigan but skip the Dakotas. Then there's the Weather Service which includes both.
Of course, if you go back to my initial post, I didn't say that all of the Upper Midwest uses Frontage Road. But you seemed to take it as such.
Froggie, there's
never a definition that places Michigan outside the Midwest. Ditto Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, and Illinois. Midwest = Old Northwest plus some Plains states west of the Mississippi.
Quote from: US 89 on August 14, 2018, 05:31:54 PM
Time zones are lines on a map. They don't make any cultural or geographical distinctions. For example: most of the South lies in the Central time zone. Would you say Georgia can't be part of the South because it's in the Eastern time zone?
I would say that Michigan is in the upper part of the country, in the same way that Georgia is in the lower part of the country. No argument there. The concern here is longitudinal placement, not latitudinal. My original thought was that, while Michigan is the upper part of the country, it's not in "the [mid]dle".
Not sure about everyone else, but to me, there's four main geographic/cultural areas of the US: the West Coast, the South, the Midwest, and the East Coast. Sure, you could slice that up quite a bit more, but I think that's your four primary areas.
Quote from: 20160805 on August 14, 2018, 05:30:28 PM
^ Are you seriously implying that the majority of da UP is part of the "northeast"? :rolleyes:
I don't think it should be, but it's in the eastern time zone for some reason. Not being intamitely familiar with the area, I would assume that areas in the eastern time zone are on the east coast.
Geographical nomenclatures generally are defined as areas in between "this" and "that". For a lot of west coasters, the Midwest would be everything east of the Rockies, up to an invisible line coming south out of Lake Michigan. Lake Michigan is obviously a gigantic body of water, with enough width to be more-or-less the edge of the Midwest, and where you start to get into the East Coast. Sure, there's still Lake Erie, but it's more of an east-west lake, and it mostly cuts off Canada. Conveniently, Lake Michigan also lines up with the Eastern Time Zone. I genuinely believe that many west coasters forget about the Appalachians, since they're puny compared to the Sierras, the Cascades, or the Rockies. As a result, we have a harder time defining the eastern edge of the Midwest. Lake Michigan is a more obvious line than the Appalachians.
Keep in mind that Chicago is 10 hours east on I-80 from the central longitudinal line of the contiguous US: 98°35′W (just east of Kearney, NE). While, in many ways, Chicago is the heart of the Midwest, it is by no means in the middle of it.
With that in mind, I would consider the Upper Peninsula to be part of the Midwest, since it's "west" of Lake Michigan (or at least on the near-side of the water to the obvious "Midwest").
Quote from: Brandon on August 14, 2018, 11:57:27 PM
Froggie, there's never a definition that places Michigan outside the Midwest. Ditto Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, and Illinois. Midwest = Old Northwest plus some Plains states west of the Mississippi.
This contradicts something you said before, where it depends on where in Ohio, Illinois, and Indiana you are; in your post, you say that almost all, but not quite all, of those three states are in the Midwest.
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Do you say "buyed" instead of "bought"? I do.
I'm also a "bring/brang/brung" guy.
Is this only a Midwest thing?
Midwest thing? Dude, you're from Kentucky, which is The South, not in any way, shape, or form, the Midwest.
He's from the suburbs of Cincinnati. Do things really change that much just by crossing the Ohio River?
Despite the fact that much of northern Kentucky (the three northernmost counties) and southwestern Ohio is populated by displaced eastern and southeastern Kentuckians and their children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren, that region is much more midwestern than southern/southeastern.
Speaking from a Chicago/Detroit perspective, Cincy is more southern than midwestern. It's roots are Appalachian, not Midlands or from New England. Therefore, it's more southern than midwestern. Same goes for far downstate Illinois and Indiana.
Quote from: Brandon on August 14, 2018, 11:57:27 PM
Quote from: froggie on August 14, 2018, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: BrandonExcuse me!?! Upper Midwest is Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and the Dakotas. Lower Midwest is Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, northern Missouri, Nebraska, and Kansas. Look it up.
As with the Midwest in general, there are several different definitions, hence the smiley face. Some definitions skip Michigan. Others include Michigan but skip the Dakotas. Then there's the Weather Service which includes both.
Of course, if you go back to my initial post, I didn't say that all of the Upper Midwest uses Frontage Road. But you seemed to take it as such.
Froggie, there's never a definition that places Michigan outside the Midwest. Ditto Ohio, Indiana, Wisconsin, and Illinois. Midwest = Old Northwest plus some Plains states west of the Mississippi.
Apologies...I meant
Upper Midwest with the above. Sorry I didn't make that more clear.
I like how this went from Frontage roads to whether Michigan is Midwestern enough (which it is part of the Midwest and/or Great Lakes region) :popcorn:
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2018, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 14, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Michigan is indeed in the Midwest and it's in the northern part of the Midwest, what else you going to call it? I remember several years ago someone tried telling me that Michigan isn't a part of the Midwest but rather the Northeast. My comment was yeah maybe if [you're] in California but Michigan is not a part of the Northeast.
You would be punctilious in assuming that. As a native west-coaster, I wouldn't readily consider Michigan part of the upper midwest. Why? It's part of the Eastern Time Zone.
Michigan has counties in the Central Time Zone as well.
To be honest Michigan isn't much different than Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana or Illinois in terms of scenery it's all the same basically. How are you going to exclude one state from being the Midwest when that state has no other region to clam? Is it the Northeast? I don't think so. Are you going to call a city like Marquette, Michigan part of the Northeast for real? Michigan is part of the Midwest and is in the upper part of the country and the time zone has nothing to do with what region it is.
Quote from: jakeroot on August 15, 2018, 01:53:06 AM
Quote from: US 89 on August 14, 2018, 05:31:54 PM
Time zones are lines on a map. They don't make any cultural or geographical distinctions. For example: most of the South lies in the Central time zone. Would you say Georgia can't be part of the South because it's in the Eastern time zone?
I would say that Michigan is in the upper part of the country, in the same way that Georgia is in the lower part of the country. No argument there. The concern here is longitudinal placement, not latitudinal. My original thought was that, while Michigan is the upper part of the country, it's not in "the [mid]dle".
Not sure about everyone else, but to me, there's four main geographic/cultural areas of the US: the West Coast, the South, the Midwest, and the East Coast. Sure, you could slice that up quite a bit more, but I think that's your four primary areas.
Quote from: 20160805 on August 14, 2018, 05:30:28 PM
^ Are you seriously implying that the majority of da UP is part of the "northeast"? :rolleyes:
I don't think it should be, but it's in the eastern time zone for some reason. Not being intamitely familiar with the area, I would assume that areas in the eastern time zone are on the east coast.
Geographical nomenclatures generally are defined as areas in between "this" and "that". For a lot of west coasters, the Midwest would be everything east of the Rockies, up to an invisible line coming south out of Lake Michigan. Lake Michigan is obviously a gigantic body of water, with enough width to be more-or-less the edge of the Midwest, and where you start to get into the East Coast. Sure, there's still Lake Erie, but it's more of an east-west lake, and it mostly cuts off Canada. Conveniently, Lake Michigan also lines up with the Eastern Time Zone. I genuinely believe that many west coasters forget about the Appalachians, since they're puny compared to the Sierras, the Cascades, or the Rockies. As a result, we have a harder time defining the eastern edge of the Midwest. Lake Michigan is a more obvious line than the Appalachians.
Keep in mind that Chicago is 10 hours east on I-80 from the central longitudinal line of the contiguous US: 98°35′W (just east of Kearney, NE). While, in many ways, Chicago is the heart of the Midwest, it is by no means in the middle of it.
With that in mind, I would consider the Upper Peninsula to be part of the Midwest, since it's "west" of Lake Michigan (or at least on the near-side of the water to the obvious "Midwest").
Time Zone doesn't have anything to do with region. And the U.P. of Michigan isn't entirely in the Eastern Time Zone either, all the counties that border Wisconsin are in the Central Time Zone. And since you broke it down into just the West Coast, the South, the East Coast and Midwest then where else is Michigan going to fall? It's not east enough to be on the east coast, it's nowhere near the south or west coast so midwest would have to be it. So if you're going to stop the Midwest at the middle of Lake Michigan you're excluding Indiana as part of the Midwest then too and Indiana is indeed part of the Midwest.
Lake Michigan is NOT the line since Michigan, Indiana and Ohio are indeed part of the Midwest regardless of what anyone says.
Quote from: ET21 on August 15, 2018, 09:20:12 AM
I like how this went from Frontage roads to whether Michigan is Midwestern enough (which it is part of the Midwest and/or Great Lakes region) :popcorn:
Lol yep. Pass me the popcorn.
Also, as for the debate about what said roads are called, it's different enough across the country that it's a question on this quiz... https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/upshot/dialect-quiz-map.html
and that question was enough for me to be miscategorized the first time I took it. I call it a frontage road, but apparently that's not the name other Marylanders use. That and my use of "y'all" (which is split 50/50 with you guys here) was enough for it to place me in Jackson, MS!! The questions change, so when I took it again and got a less road heavy docket, they correctly placed me in Baltimore/Newark, NJ/Richmond.
North Carolina mostly just uses normal road names for such roads, however Service Road has been occasionally used. In general, roads of this type are pretty rare to see here.
I've always called them frontage roads. There are different terms used in the KC area for them - I mostly hear outer road or service road in the Missouri half, and frontage road in the Kansas half. My girlfriend is from St. Louis and calls them service roads. To me, "feeder" is a term for a collector ramp.
Some additional Texas insight here:
The term "feeder" is used mostly by Houstonians. The rest of the state uses "frontage road" or "frontage" for short. All official TxDOT signage reads "Frontage Road"–even those in the Houston area.
Quote from: SCtoKC on August 15, 2018, 07:41:34 PM
I've always called them frontage roads. There are different terms used in the KC area for them - I mostly hear outer road or service road in the Missouri half, and frontage road in the Kansas half. My girlfriend is from St. Louis and calls them service roads. To me, "feeder" is a term for a collector ramp.
"Feeder", in Chicago, is a very specific term, referring to only one ramp, the Ohio/Ontario Feeder Ramp between River North ans the Kennedy Expressway. Usually, it's just called "The Feeder Ramp" on the radio.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 15, 2018, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2018, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 14, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Michigan is indeed in the Midwest and it's in the northern part of the Midwest, what else you going to call it? I remember several years ago someone tried telling me that Michigan isn't a part of the Midwest but rather the Northeast. My comment was yeah maybe if [you're] in California but Michigan is not a part of the Northeast.
You would be punctilious in assuming that. As a native west-coaster, I wouldn't readily consider Michigan part of the upper midwest. Why? It's part of the Eastern Time Zone.
Michigan has counties in the Central Time Zone as well.
Sure, but the other 79 are in Eastern.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 15, 2018, 12:26:32 PM
Time Zone doesn't have anything to do with region. And the U.P. of Michigan isn't entirely in the Eastern Time Zone either, all the counties that border Wisconsin are in the Central Time Zone. And since you broke it down into just the West Coast, the South, the East Coast and Midwest then where else is Michigan going to fall? It's not east enough to be on the east coast, it's nowhere near the south or west coast so midwest would have to be it. So if you're going to stop the Midwest at the middle of Lake Michigan you're excluding Indiana as part of the Midwest then too and Indiana is indeed part of the Midwest.
Lake Michigan is NOT the line since Michigan, Indiana and Ohio are indeed part of the Midwest regardless of what anyone says.
Fine, I'm not from the area. My responses here originally transpired because you suggested that people from California might think of Michigan as being on the east coast, and I've been trying to explain to you why that is indeed the case.
I would not shy away from considering Ohio or Indiana as being part of the east coast, when having to place them in either the east coast or Midwest.
FWIW, I would have no problem with someone calling Wyoming or Montana "West Coast", since culturally and geographically, the areas are very similar. The main difference being, they're in the Mountain Time Zone. MI, OH, and IN are all in the eastern time zone, so it's harder to make the "not east coast" argument with that in mind. There are no areas in Pacific Time that I wouldn't consider west coast, and quite a few areas in the Mountain Zone that I would consider west coast as well.
Some users here seem to think of the midwest as being this gigantic land mass. I never have. To be, it's always been the plains east of the Rockies up to Lake Michigan.
Quote from: Marc on August 16, 2018, 12:31:06 AM
Some additional Texas insight here:
The term "feeder" is used mostly by Houstonians. The rest of the state uses "frontage road" or "frontage" for short. All official TxDOT signage reads "Frontage Road"–even those in the Houston area.
FWIW, I think that high-type one-way frontage roads with U-turn ramps and conflict-free access to the mainline are so different from simple two-way frontage roads that they should be referred to by a separate term, feeder roads being an obvious choice since that's what they're called in the place where they first appeared on a large scale.
Quote from: Brandon on August 16, 2018, 12:55:11 AM
Quote from: SCtoKC on August 15, 2018, 07:41:34 PM
I've always called them frontage roads. There are different terms used in the KC area for them - I mostly hear outer road or service road in the Missouri half, and frontage road in the Kansas half. My girlfriend is from St. Louis and calls them service roads. To me, "feeder" is a term for a collector ramp.
"Feeder", in Chicago, is a very specific term, referring to only one ramp, the Ohio/Ontario Feeder Ramp between River North ans the Kennedy Expressway. Usually, it's just called "The Feeder Ramp" on the radio.
I don't know why the expressway that runs north of the Dan Ryan/Stevenson interchange to Cermak isn't also a "feeder."
Quote from: Tom958 on August 16, 2018, 05:04:22 AM
Quote from: Marc on August 16, 2018, 12:31:06 AM
Some additional Texas insight here:
The term "feeder" is used mostly by Houstonians. The rest of the state uses "frontage road" or "frontage" for short. All official TxDOT signage reads "Frontage Road"–even those in the Houston area.
FWIW, I think that high-type one-way frontage roads with U-turn ramps and conflict-free access to the mainline are so different from simple two-way frontage roads that they should be referred to by a separate term, feeder roads being an obvious choice since that's what they're called in the place where they first appeared on a large scale.
Ahem. Houston is a much younger city and grew most of its freeway system later than Detroit, which has had these types of roads along its freeways since 1942 (opening of the Davison Freway). If anything, "Service Drive" is the original term on a system that grew before Houston's, and is the first place such one-way roads appeared on a large scale.
I don't know the local name for frontage roads in general in the Boston area, but the ones on I-93 south of downtown Boston are actually named Frontage Rd. This is not the case on MA 2 in Arlington, though.
Quote from: abefroman329 on August 16, 2018, 07:56:41 AM
Quote from: Brandon on August 16, 2018, 12:55:11 AM
Quote from: SCtoKC on August 15, 2018, 07:41:34 PM
I've always called them frontage roads. There are different terms used in the KC area for them - I mostly hear outer road or service road in the Missouri half, and frontage road in the Kansas half. My girlfriend is from St. Louis and calls them service roads. To me, "feeder" is a term for a collector ramp.
"Feeder", in Chicago, is a very specific term, referring to only one ramp, the Ohio/Ontario Feeder Ramp between River North ans the Kennedy Expressway. Usually, it's just called "The Feeder Ramp" on the radio.
I don't know why the expressway that runs north of the Dan Ryan/Stevenson interchange to Cermak isn't also a "feeder."
It's called the Chinatown feeder on radio reports
Quote from: jakeroot on August 16, 2018, 01:37:51 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 15, 2018, 12:13:08 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on August 14, 2018, 03:14:42 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 14, 2018, 02:26:02 PM
Michigan is indeed in the Midwest and it's in the northern part of the Midwest, what else you going to call it? I remember several years ago someone tried telling me that Michigan isn't a part of the Midwest but rather the Northeast. My comment was yeah maybe if [you're] in California but Michigan is not a part of the Northeast.
You would be punctilious in assuming that. As a native west-coaster, I wouldn't readily consider Michigan part of the upper midwest. Why? It's part of the Eastern Time Zone.
Michigan has counties in the Central Time Zone as well.
Sure, but the other 79 are in Eastern.
Quote from: Flint1979 on August 15, 2018, 12:26:32 PM
Time Zone doesn't have anything to do with region. And the U.P. of Michigan isn't entirely in the Eastern Time Zone either, all the counties that border Wisconsin are in the Central Time Zone. And since you broke it down into just the West Coast, the South, the East Coast and Midwest then where else is Michigan going to fall? It's not east enough to be on the east coast, it's nowhere near the south or west coast so midwest would have to be it. So if you're going to stop the Midwest at the middle of Lake Michigan you're excluding Indiana as part of the Midwest then too and Indiana is indeed part of the Midwest.
Lake Michigan is NOT the line since Michigan, Indiana and Ohio are indeed part of the Midwest regardless of what anyone says.
Fine, I'm not from the area. My responses here originally transpired because you suggested that people from California might think of Michigan as being on the east coast, and I've been trying to explain to you why that is indeed the case.
I would not shy away from considering Ohio or Indiana as being part of the east coast, when having to place them in either the east coast or Midwest.
FWIW, I would have no problem with someone calling Wyoming or Montana "West Coast", since culturally and geographically, the areas are very similar. The main difference being, they're in the Mountain Time Zone. MI, OH, and IN are all in the eastern time zone, so it's harder to make the "not east coast" argument with that in mind. There are no areas in Pacific Time that I wouldn't consider west coast, and quite a few areas in the Mountain Zone that I would consider west coast as well.
Some users here seem to think of the midwest as being this gigantic land mass. I never have. To be, it's always been the plains east of the Rockies up to Lake Michigan.
Michigan isn't on the east coast though even though most of it is in the Eastern Time Zone it's kind of out there in the middle and has more in common with Wisconsin, Minnesota, Ohio, Indiana and Illinois than it does New York, Pennsylvania, New Jersey and those states. Michigan has more in common with probably Wisconsin than it does any other state.
As a native Midwesterner, here's my two cents worth on this thread. First, calling the roads parallel to a freeway "service roads" or "service drives" seems wrong, IMHO. To me that invokes an image of them being restricted for maintenance use only, or leading to a "service plaza" (like on a tollway). The proper term for these highways is "frontage road". They can be of several types: 1-way, 2-way, ramp connected, or no freeway connection at all.
As for the second topic, NONE of the geographically central states are "east coast" or "west coast". If anything, most of us are "NO coast" (sorry, MI, I know you have a LOT of shoreline, being the Great Lakes State). I am sick of the people on BOTH of our coasts thinking there is nothing but "flyover country" in between, or trying to lump us in with states that do have an OCEAN coastline. And yes, times zones are an arbitrary and political creation (and apparently, beyond the comprehension of the current occupant of the White House).
The only TRUE Midwest states are OH, IN, MI, IL, WI, and part of MN. The others can claim to be Midwestern all they want, but they are NOT (especially Missouri). Everything WEST of the Mississippi River is excluded, those areas are part of the Great Plains, not the Midwest! Sorry Iowa (and the rest of Minnesota, you're the closest (culturally & geographically), but still, no cigar. Kansas, Nebraska & the Dakotas certainly do not qualify as Midwest under any circumstances.
I don't care what sources who differ may say, if a state wasn't part of the original Northwest Territories, in my book they are NOT part of the Midwest!
Agreed. Those large definitions of "Midwest" seem to be based on the idea that the Great Plains are not a separate region.
I didn't know Kansas, Iowa, the Dakotas, Nebraska, and Missouri were thrown out of the midwest? When did that happen, how was that decided, and did SSR_317 and vdeane make the decision?
Missouri has Ozarks and is therefore relegated to the South.
I would not put Michigan on the East Coast if I was allowed to put it somewhere besides the Midwest or East Coast.
My dad calls them "feeder roads". His parents lived in Houston for awhile and he did briefly, so I suspect that is where he picked it up.
Later they moved to eastern Missouri along I-44; I recall them being signed almost everywhere as "outer roads" in that area, though they still called them feeder roads out of habit. My mother (from the northeast) calls them frontage roads, which is generally what I've always called them. I've lived most of my life in the midwest.
To settle the whole midwest thing, here is the US Census' take on US regions:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kristina_Lacommare/publication/252701502/figure/fig5/AS:341238713733148@1458369057862/Map-Relating-US-Manufacturing-Regions-to-Census-Divisions.png
Quote from: 20160805 on August 17, 2018, 06:45:38 AM
To settle the whole midwest thing, here is the US Census' take on US regions:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kristina_Lacommare/publication/252701502/figure/fig5/AS:341238713733148@1458369057862/Map-Relating-US-Manufacturing-Regions-to-Census-Divisions.png
That might be the best way to do it if states can't be split, but some arguments could be made for splitting states, such as:
- Not splitting the Cincinnati or Louisville metro areas
- Defining the western boundary as where it becomes arid, mentioned earlier in this thread (most, but not all, of SD and ND are included)
- Putting Pittsburgh and possibly Erie in the Midwest, but not the rest of Pennsylvania
- Splitting Missouri in half (as someone just mentioned that Ozarks = South)
- Splitting this thread because this thread is about frontage roads
EDIT: I've created a new thread in Off-Topic as a thread split.
Quote from: 20160805 on August 17, 2018, 06:45:38 AM
To settle the whole midwest thing, here is the US Census' take on US regions:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kristina_Lacommare/publication/252701502/figure/fig5/AS:341238713733148@1458369057862/Map-Relating-US-Manufacturing-Regions-to-Census-Divisions.png
Map looks pretty complete; I'd question putting DE and MD in South Atlantic rather than Mid-Atlantic -- although I realize the PA/MD border is the age-old "Mason-Dixon" line. Culturally, they're a mix, but Wilmington & Baltimore seem more like classic "Northeast" cities than southern, and, population-wise, they pretty much define at least the urban parts of those states (although the rural Delmarva can seem more like VA than PA or NJ!). Still, populated areas count and skew those states northward.
Quote from: SSR_317 on August 16, 2018, 04:48:05 PM
As a native Midwesterner, here's my two cents worth on this thread. First, calling the roads parallel to a freeway "service roads" or "service drives" seems wrong, IMHO. To me that invokes an image of them being restricted for maintenance use only, or leading to a "service plaza" (like on a tollway). The proper term for these highways is "frontage road". They can be of several types: 1-way, 2-way, ramp connected, or no freeway connection at all.
As for the second topic, NONE of the geographically central states are "east coast" or "west coast". If anything, most of us are "NO coast" (sorry, MI, I know you have a LOT of shoreline, being the Great Lakes State). I am sick of the people on BOTH of our coasts thinking there is nothing but "flyover country" in between, or trying to lump us in with states that do have an OCEAN coastline. And yes, times zones are an arbitrary and political creation (and apparently, beyond the comprehension of the current occupant of the White House).
The only TRUE Midwest states are OH, IN, MI, IL, WI, and part of MN. The others can claim to be Midwestern all they want, but they are NOT (especially Missouri). Everything WEST of the Mississippi River is excluded, those areas are part of the Great Plains, not the Midwest! Sorry Iowa (and the rest of Minnesota, you're the closest (culturally & geographically), but still, no cigar. Kansas, Nebraska & the Dakotas certainly do not qualify as Midwest under any circumstances.
I don't care what sources who differ may say, if a state wasn't part of the original Northwest Territories, in my book they are NOT part of the Midwest!
Huh? Kansas is as midwestern as it gets.
Quote from: Rothman on August 16, 2018, 11:02:09 PM
Missouri has Ozarks and is therefore relegated to the South.
The Ozarks are only in southern (and a bit in east central) Missouri. You might could argue that Springfield is in the south, but are you really saying that Kansas City is a southern city? Do you think the US 136 corridor is part of Dixie?
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 14, 2018, 08:24:45 AM
In NJ: Frontage Road: https://goo.gl/maps/gHkzb7mRHJ42 :cool:
Oh, I frequent that one. It's not really a frontage road though.
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Otherwise, NJ has very few true parallel roads. One along 295 near Exits 21-22 is termed an Access Road in their documents: https://www.state.nj.us/transportation/refdata/traffic_orders/speed/crownpoint_east.shtm
As has been mentioned there are others, but have their own street names. Most are not in any way relevant to the freeways they are frontaging, but the one around 280 is called Freeway Drive.
Here is a map with regional terminology:
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBI6Na2.img?h=1536&w=2560&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f
"Frontage Road" is most common out west (except in the Pacific Northwest), while "Service Road" is most common in the east. "Access Road" is common in the San Antonio and Atlanta metropolitan areas. That pocket of green around Houston is actually where such roads are usually called "Feeders".
When we were in St. Louis nearly 40 years ago, I saw a green and white sign marking a road as "Frontage Road." Unfamiliar with the term, I told my wife that it must be a French name, FRON-tage. She thought I was kidding, since she could see that it provided access to businesses along the freeway. I passed it off as a joke, not wanting to admit my mistake. She has plenty of other reasons to think I'm foolish.
While here in the Phoenix area "Frontage Road" is most common, transplants from other areas may use other terminology, so the term isn't completely universal here (I have heard "Access Road" before, but have yet to hear "Service Road"). The term "Frontage Road" according to the map is strongest in Southern Arizona.
Quote from: sparker on August 17, 2018, 09:52:00 PM
Quote from: 20160805 on August 17, 2018, 06:45:38 AM
To settle the whole midwest thing, here is the US Census' take on US regions:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Kristina_Lacommare/publication/252701502/figure/fig5/AS:341238713733148@1458369057862/Map-Relating-US-Manufacturing-Regions-to-Census-Divisions.png
Map looks pretty complete; I'd question putting DE and MD in South Atlantic rather than Mid-Atlantic -- although I realize the PA/MD border is the age-old "Mason-Dixon" line. Culturally, they're a mix, but Wilmington & Baltimore seem more like classic "Northeast" cities than southern, and, population-wise, they pretty much define at least the urban parts of those states (although the rural Delmarva can seem more like VA than PA or NJ!). Still, populated areas count and skew those states northward.
IMO this map should've been the basis for dividing up the country into 9 regions for the sake of this forum. Clean definable borders. It's especially regretful that the Midwest is divided into two regions: Great Lakes and Ohio Valley and that multiple states are divided between the two regions.
Quote from: US 89 on August 14, 2018, 05:31:54 PM
parts of Kansas, Nebraska, and both Dakotas are even in the Mountain time zone, but that doesn't make those places any less Midwestern.
Well the Black Hills is more like Wyoming than the rest of SD
Quote from: Pink Jazz on August 30, 2018, 05:40:20 PM
Here is a map with regional terminology:
http://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/BBI6Na2.img?h=1536&w=2560&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f
I'm used to "Service Road", as you can see by the small blue island surrounded by red. Yes we're a bit odd.