You get a toll ticket, but you don't have to pay.
Two examples that I know of:
A trip from I-88 to I-87 north, or the reverse trip, has a $0.00 toll on the Thruway.
Previously, the Mass Pike had a $0.00 toll if your starting and ending destinations were both west of Exit 6, at least for standard cars (I believe trucks still had to pay).
AP-7 around Girona, Spain. Between Fornells de la Selva to the South and Vilademuls to the North, toll is €0.00 ($0.00 with current exchange rate), but one has still to get a toll ticket.
From NY 17 East north on the Thruway to I-84 in Newburgh. You pay the toll at the end of Route 17, then proceed onto the northbound ramp, where you get a ticket upon entering the mainline, then owe nothing as you surrender the ticket at Exit 17.
Quote from: 1 on August 31, 2018, 08:24:59 AM
You get a toll ticket, but you don't have to pay.
Two examples that I know of:
A trip from I-88 to I-87 north, or the reverse trip, has a $0.00 toll on the Thruway.
Previously, the Mass Pike had a $0.00 toll if your starting and ending destinations were both west of Exit 6, at least for standard cars (I believe trucks still had to pay).
Does it have to be a legal exit? :-D :-D
The Skyway McDonalds used to have some sort of ticket/barrier system in place to prevent people from using it to make a toll-free U-turn.
Quote from: 1 on August 31, 2018, 08:24:59 AM
A trip from I-88 to I-87 north, or the reverse trip, has a $0.00 toll on the Thruway.
Also between I-88 and the I-890 exits, but not between I-890 and I-87. This creates the weird effect where it's cheaper (free, actually) to drive from exit 24 to exit 25A, get off and turn around, and then drive to exit 25, then it is to just drive from 24 to 25 in the first place.
Cherokee Turnpike in Oklahoma. if you're EB and stop at the service area, you can exit WB and turn off the the next exit (Alt 412 Rose/Leach) because it's assumed you paid at the toll plaza one mile east.
I recall once around 2000 (as a passenger) taking a somewhat circuitous route (I-99 > I-70 > I-81) to visit my brother at Virginia Tech. We picked up a PA Turnpike toll ticket at Bedford, but exiting at Breezewood, the attendant just took the ticket and said "No charge" .
At the time, I was wondering: Did Bud Shuster pull some strings and get the toll suspended between I-99 and I-70 to make I-99 a more attractive N-S route? I seem to recall seeing an article later that tolls had been suspended temporarily between the two interchanges for a specific reason, but now I can't remember what that was. If anyone knows, please remind me.
Quote from: abefroman329 on August 31, 2018, 09:20:01 AM
The Skyway McDonalds used to have some sort of ticket/barrier system in place to prevent people from using it to make a toll-free U-turn.
I don't recall seeing anything there to stop a U-turn, but the last time I stopped there was 2004. The McDonald's had a drive-thru and parking on the southwest side of the building.
Not sure this counts because it's not a paper "toll ticket," but it does involve roads with distance-based tolls similar in concept to a ticket system: The HO/T lanes in Virginia will post a $0.00 toll if you have an E-ZPass Flex in HOV mode. I don't know what happens with HO/T lanes elsewhere, as the only other ones I've used are in Miami and we paid the 25¢ toll there.
Quote from: briantroutman on August 31, 2018, 01:15:46 PM
I recall once around 2000 (as a passenger) taking a somewhat circuitous route (I-99 > I-70 > I-81) to visit my brother at Virginia Tech. We picked up a PA Turnpike toll ticket at Bedford, but exiting at Breezewood, the attendant just took the ticket and said "No charge" .
At the time, I was wondering: Did Bud Shuster pull some strings and get the toll suspended between I-99 and I-70 to make I-99 a more attractive N-S route? I seem to recall seeing an article later that tolls had been suspended temporarily between the two interchanges for a specific reason, but now I can't remember what that was. If anyone knows, please remind me.
It was during a bunch of construction on US-30 in between Bedford and the Everett Bypass. The Turnpike was the official detour, so I believe PennDOT paid the PTC for this.
Quote from: Mr_Northside on August 31, 2018, 01:42:59 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on August 31, 2018, 01:15:46 PM
I recall once around 2000 (as a passenger) taking a somewhat circuitous route (I-99 > I-70 > I-81) to visit my brother at Virginia Tech. We picked up a PA Turnpike toll ticket at Bedford, but exiting at Breezewood, the attendant just took the ticket and said "No charge" .
At the time, I was wondering: Did Bud Shuster pull some strings and get the toll suspended between I-99 and I-70 to make I-99 a more attractive N-S route? I seem to recall seeing an article later that tolls had been suspended temporarily between the two interchanges for a specific reason, but now I can't remember what that was. If anyone knows, please remind me.
It was during a bunch of construction on US-30 in between Bedford and the Everett Bypass. The Turnpike was the official detour, so I believe PennDOT paid the PTC for this.
This was the first thing I thought of when I read the topic. Here's an article on it:
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2006/01/19/Free-ride-s-over-on-turnpike-from-Bedford-to-Breezewood/stories/200601190445 (http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2006/01/19/Free-ride-s-over-on-turnpike-from-Bedford-to-Breezewood/stories/200601190445)
And yes, Bud pulled some strings...
If we eliminate the requirement of a toll ticket:
NJ's Garden State Parkway has numerous toll-free possibilities.
On the Atlantic City Expressway, the only real way to travel it toll free is by entering eastbound between Rt. 42 and the Frank Farley toll plaza and making a U-turn at the Frank Farley toll plaza, although there's little reason to do so unless you want some overpriced rest stop food. If you did this to avoid a ramp toll, even the closest interchange (NJ 50) would take you 12 miles out of your way roundtrip, so the distance to make the U-turn to avoid the 75 cent toll negates any savings.
One could also enter westbound from Atlantic City, make a U-turn at the Welcome Center/Bus Intercept Lot/Sunoco, and then travel back east to pick up the exit for Rt. 322, but again no real reason to do that.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 31, 2018, 02:11:39 PMOn the Atlantic City Expressway, the only real way to travel it toll free is by entering eastbound between Rt. 42 and the Frank Farley toll plaza and making a U-turn at the Frank Farley toll plaza, although there's little reason to do so unless you want some overpriced rest stop food.
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One could also enter westbound from Atlantic City, make a U-turn at the Welcome Center/Bus Intercept Lot/Sunoco, and then travel back east to pick up the exit for Rt. 322, but again no real reason to do that.
Unless one's a cheapskate roadgeek needing to drive those sections for
clinching purposes. :sombrero:
Quote from: Mr_Northside on August 31, 2018, 01:42:59 PM
It was during a bunch of construction on US-30 in between Bedford and the Everett Bypass. The Turnpike was the official detour, so I believe PennDOT paid the PTC for this.
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on August 31, 2018, 01:49:10 PM
Here's an article on it:
http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2006/01/19/Free-ride-s-over-on-turnpike-from-Bedford-to-Breezewood/stories/200601190445 (http://www.post-gazette.com/news/transportation/2006/01/19/Free-ride-s-over-on-turnpike-from-Bedford-to-Breezewood/stories/200601190445)
And yes, Bud pulled some strings...
Thanks for reminding me! A detour makes perfect sense.
That makes me wonder–and I guess it would be pertinent to this thread: Have there been any other occasions where either a construction project on a nearby free road–or perhaps an incident like a major vehicle crash or significant winter weather event–necessitated a detour onto the Turnpike, and the PTC similarly waived tolls for detoured vehicles?
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on August 31, 2018, 08:34:32 AM
€0.00 ($0.00 with current exchange rate)
However, with the exchange rate a year ago, zero euros was equal to two cents. :bigass:
Quote from: Brandon on August 31, 2018, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on August 31, 2018, 09:20:01 AM
The Skyway McDonalds used to have some sort of ticket/barrier system in place to prevent people from using it to make a toll-free U-turn.
I don't recall seeing anything there to stop a U-turn, but the last time I stopped there was 2004. The McDonald's had a drive-thru and parking on the southwest side of the building.
It was there until it was demolished. If you exited I-90 going east to go to McDonalds, you were given a ticket that you needed to insert in a machine next to a barrier in order to continue on I-90 eastbound. Presumably it was there to prevent people from taking a toll-free ride from IN across the bridge and then back to IN.
Quote from: briantroutman on August 31, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
That makes me wonder–and I guess it would be pertinent to this thread: Have there been any other occasions where either a construction project on a nearby free road–or perhaps an incident like a major vehicle crash or significant winter weather event–necessitated a detour onto the Turnpike, and the PTC similarly waived tolls for detoured vehicles?
A version of this happens occasionally on the I-95 HOT lanes in Northern Virginia when a major mishap on the main lanes will cause VDOT to open the HOT lanes to all traffic without charge.
I believe there is getting ready to be a nighttime construction detour from mainline I-395 onto its HOV/HOT lanes...
no ticket
I-94 (IL)
IL-21 to IL-132
The last time I used the US 231 (Exit 9) northbound exit on the Natcher Parkway at Bowling Green, there was no toll. This was one of the old cloverleaf toll booths (it still has that configuration) with the toll booth beneath the bridge. I don't remember the purpose of my trip, or why I was exiting there, but I pulled into the right lane to exit, and told the attendant I was "getting off." I was told there was no charge.
Lake Ponchartrain Causeway is toll-free northbound & tolled southbound.
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 31, 2018, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on August 31, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
That makes me wonder–and I guess it would be pertinent to this thread: Have there been any other occasions where either a construction project on a nearby free road–or perhaps an incident like a major vehicle crash or significant winter weather event–necessitated a detour onto the Turnpike, and the PTC similarly waived tolls for detoured vehicles?
A version of this happens occasionally on the I-95 HOT lanes in Northern Virginia when a major mishap on the main lanes will cause VDOT to open the HOT lanes to all traffic without charge.
I believe there is getting ready to be a nighttime construction detour from mainline I-395 onto its HOV/HOT lanes...
I think it happens with other HOT facilities as well. I was going home from working the night shift one morning and was getting on the I-15 HOT lanes from a transit station when I saw the SB toll was "open to all." I found out why the hard way.
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 31, 2018, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on August 31, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
That makes me wonder–and I guess it would be pertinent to this thread: Have there been any other occasions where either a construction project on a nearby free road–or perhaps an incident like a major vehicle crash or significant winter weather event–necessitated a detour onto the Turnpike, and the PTC similarly waived tolls for detoured vehicles?
A version of this happens occasionally on the I-95 HOT lanes in Northern Virginia when a major mishap on the main lanes will cause VDOT to open the HOT lanes to all traffic without charge.
I believe there is getting ready to be a nighttime construction detour from mainline I-395 onto its HOV/HOT lanes...
People will drive in the HOV lanes on I-84 and I-91 if there's enough snow to hide the lane markings. They will even drive in the divider area!
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on September 01, 2018, 07:22:48 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 31, 2018, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on August 31, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
That makes me wonder–and I guess it would be pertinent to this thread: Have there been any other occasions where either a construction project on a nearby free road–or perhaps an incident like a major vehicle crash or significant winter weather event–necessitated a detour onto the Turnpike, and the PTC similarly waived tolls for detoured vehicles?
A version of this happens occasionally on the I-95 HOT lanes in Northern Virginia when a major mishap on the main lanes will cause VDOT to open the HOT lanes to all traffic without charge.
I believe there is getting ready to be a nighttime construction detour from mainline I-395 onto its HOV/HOT lanes...
People will drive in the HOV lanes on I-84 and I-91 if there's enough snow to hide the lane markings. They will even drive in the divider area!
When it snows, the lanes aren't painted on the road; they're where the cars in front of you have gone. :)
Quote from: US 89 on September 01, 2018, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on September 01, 2018, 07:22:48 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 31, 2018, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on August 31, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
That makes me wonder–and I guess it would be pertinent to this thread: Have there been any other occasions where either a construction project on a nearby free road–or perhaps an incident like a major vehicle crash or significant winter weather event–necessitated a detour onto the Turnpike, and the PTC similarly waived tolls for detoured vehicles?
A version of this happens occasionally on the I-95 HOT lanes in Northern Virginia when a major mishap on the main lanes will cause VDOT to open the HOT lanes to all traffic without charge.
I believe there is getting ready to be a nighttime construction detour from mainline I-395 onto its HOV/HOT lanes...
People will drive in the HOV lanes on I-84 and I-91 if there's enough snow to hide the lane markings. They will even drive in the divider area!
When it snows, the lanes aren't painted on the road; they're where the cars in front of you have gone. :)
In snowy conditions, most drivers will follow the tracks from previous drivers right off a cliff, or into a tree or other obstruction, because they are STUPID! Even on roads they drive on almost every day and thus should instinctively know where the lanes are without any guidance from pavement markings. As such, this is one of the very few situations where I believe that automated driving or driver assistance might be useful.
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 03, 2018, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 01, 2018, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on September 01, 2018, 07:22:48 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 31, 2018, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on August 31, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
That makes me wonder–and I guess it would be pertinent to this thread: Have there been any other occasions where either a construction project on a nearby free road–or perhaps an incident like a major vehicle crash or significant winter weather event–necessitated a detour onto the Turnpike, and the PTC similarly waived tolls for detoured vehicles?
A version of this happens occasionally on the I-95 HOT lanes in Northern Virginia when a major mishap on the main lanes will cause VDOT to open the HOT lanes to all traffic without charge.
I believe there is getting ready to be a nighttime construction detour from mainline I-395 onto its HOV/HOT lanes...
People will drive in the HOV lanes on I-84 and I-91 if there's enough snow to hide the lane markings. They will even drive in the divider area!
When it snows, the lanes aren't painted on the road; they're where the cars in front of you have gone. :)
In snowy conditions, most drivers will follow the tracks from previous drivers right off a cliff, or into a tree or other obstruction, because they are STUPID! Even on roads they drive on almost every day and thus should instinctively know where the lanes are without any guidance from pavement markings. As such, this is one of the very few situations where I believe that automated driving or driver assistance might be useful.
How is the self-driving car going to know where the lanes are if they can't be seen under the snow?
Quote from: 1 on August 31, 2018, 08:24:59 AM
You get a toll ticket, but you don't have to pay.
Two examples that I know of:
A trip from I-88 to I-87 north, or the reverse trip, has a $0.00 toll on the Thruway.
Previously, the Mass Pike had a $0.00 toll if your starting and ending destinations were both west of Exit 6, at least for standard cars (I believe trucks still had to pay).
That is correct. Passenger cars were free, but commercial vehicles were charged a toll. With the current AET system, it's free if starting and ending destinations are anywhere between Exit 4 (West Springfield) and Exit 7 (Ludlow), or anywhere between Exit 10 (Auburn) and Exit 11 (Millbury). I've never entered or exited within either of the "free" zones, so I'm not sure if the transaction shows up as $0.00 on your statement.
I know it's not in the spirit of the OP, but as a Thurway commuter plan holder, my E-ZPass statement is packed with $0.00 tolls all the time. My regular 27-24-27 commute is short enough to be covered by the plan. Regarding the formerly free portion of the Mass Pike, I also used to see lots of $0.00 tolls when I commuted from Pittsfield to South Hadley and took the Mass Pike between 2 and 4 or 5 regularly. The most impressive for that was when I was commuting a couple times a week from Amsterdam to South Hadley. Each ride had 3 $0.00 tolls: between 27 and 24, between B1 and B3, and Mass Pike 1 to 4 or 5.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on August 31, 2018, 02:11:39 PM
If we eliminate the requirement of a toll ticket:
NJ's Garden State Parkway has numerous toll-free possibilities.
On the Atlantic City Expressway, the only real way to travel it toll free is by entering eastbound between Rt. 42 and the Frank Farley toll plaza and making a U-turn at the Frank Farley toll plaza, although there's little reason to do so unless you want some overpriced rest stop food. If you did this to avoid a ramp toll, even the closest interchange (NJ 50) would take you 12 miles out of your way roundtrip, so the distance to make the U-turn to avoid the 75 cent toll negates any savings.
One could also enter westbound from Atlantic City, make a U-turn at the Welcome Center/Bus Intercept Lot/Sunoco, and then travel back east to pick up the exit for Rt. 322, but again no real reason to do that.
I have been told that if you exit the ACE and re-enter it quickly enough, where there's a toll to both exit and re-enter (i.e. Exit 9 or U-Turn at any other exit), you don't get charged again. I'm not sure how true that is, as I've experienced that exactly once, but was charged twice all other times. In any case, aside from the U-Turns at service plazas you will always pay *something* to travel the ACE (except maybe between exit 1 and eastern terminus; I've never done that)
Also, I believe you don't have to pay the toll on the NJ turnpike if your destination is the Meadowlands sports complex during a game. I don't know what happens to your ticket if you were using one, though.
Quote from: GaryV on September 03, 2018, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 03, 2018, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 01, 2018, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on September 01, 2018, 07:22:48 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 31, 2018, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on August 31, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
That makes me wonder–and I guess it would be pertinent to this thread: Have there been any other occasions where either a construction project on a nearby free road–or perhaps an incident like a major vehicle crash or significant winter weather event–necessitated a detour onto the Turnpike, and the PTC similarly waived tolls for detoured vehicles?
A version of this happens occasionally on the I-95 HOT lanes in Northern Virginia when a major mishap on the main lanes will cause VDOT to open the HOT lanes to all traffic without charge.
I believe there is getting ready to be a nighttime construction detour from mainline I-395 onto its HOV/HOT lanes...
People will drive in the HOV lanes on I-84 and I-91 if there's enough snow to hide the lane markings. They will even drive in the divider area!
When it snows, the lanes aren't painted on the road; they're where the cars in front of you have gone. :)
In snowy conditions, most drivers will follow the tracks from previous drivers right off a cliff, or into a tree or other obstruction, because they are STUPID! Even on roads they drive on almost every day and thus should instinctively know where the lanes are without any guidance from pavement markings. As such, this is one of the very few situations where I believe that automated driving or driver assistance might be useful.
How is the self-driving car going to know where the lanes are if they can't be seen under the snow?
Great point! Unless they use some sort of in-pavement or roadside sensor. If they rely only on the visual spotting of lane lines, they would be totally worthless in showy conditions. Just another reason I believe so-called "self driving vehicles" should not be allowed on public roadways. Just because we have the technology to do something, it doesn't mean we should.
Tge
Quote from: US71 on August 31, 2018, 12:52:30 PM
Cherokee Turnpike in Oklahioma. if you're EB and stop at the service area, you can exit WB and turn off the the next exit (Alt 412 Rose/Leach) because it's assumed you paid at the toll plaza one mile east.
The concessions (the OTA's term for service areas) has been closed for a few years now.
Nexus 5X
Quote from: bugo on September 08, 2018, 05:46:11 AM
The concessions (the OTA's term for service areas) has been closed for a few years now.
You mean C
ONCe
SSio
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I took this in 2009:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2719/4209632583_896181b58b_z.jpg)
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 06, 2018, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: GaryV on September 03, 2018, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 03, 2018, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 01, 2018, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on September 01, 2018, 07:22:48 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 31, 2018, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on August 31, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
That makes me wonder–and I guess it would be pertinent to this thread: Have there been any other occasions where either a construction project on a nearby free road–or perhaps an incident like a major vehicle crash or significant winter weather event–necessitated a detour onto the Turnpike, and the PTC similarly waived tolls for detoured vehicles?
A version of this happens occasionally on the I-95 HOT lanes in Northern Virginia when a major mishap on the main lanes will cause VDOT to open the HOT lanes to all traffic without charge.
I believe there is getting ready to be a nighttime construction detour from mainline I-395 onto its HOV/HOT lanes...
People will drive in the HOV lanes on I-84 and I-91 if there's enough snow to hide the lane markings. They will even drive in the divider area!
When it snows, the lanes aren't painted on the road; they're where the cars in front of you have gone. :)
In snowy conditions, most drivers will follow the tracks from previous drivers right off a cliff, or into a tree or other obstruction, because they are STUPID! Even on roads they drive on almost every day and thus should instinctively know where the lanes are without any guidance from pavement markings. As such, this is one of the very few situations where I believe that automated driving or driver assistance might be useful.
How is the self-driving car going to know where the lanes are if they can't be seen under the snow?
Great point! Unless they use some sort of in-pavement or roadside sensor. If they rely only on the visual spotting of lane lines, they would be totally worthless in showy conditions. Just another reason I believe so-called "self driving vehicles" should not be allowed on public roadways. Just because we have the technology to do something, it doesn't mean we should.
Being that self-driving cars have been tested for many miles and many months/years on side roads, parking lots and other areas without lane lines, your worries have been proven unfounded a long time ago.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 08, 2018, 02:19:53 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 06, 2018, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: GaryV on September 03, 2018, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: SSR_317 on September 03, 2018, 01:13:09 PM
Quote from: US 89 on September 01, 2018, 07:34:03 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on September 01, 2018, 07:22:48 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on August 31, 2018, 09:05:33 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on August 31, 2018, 02:19:01 PM
That makes me wonder–and I guess it would be pertinent to this thread: Have there been any other occasions where either a construction project on a nearby free road–or perhaps an incident like a major vehicle crash or significant winter weather event–necessitated a detour onto the Turnpike, and the PTC similarly waived tolls for detoured vehicles?
A version of this happens occasionally on the I-95 HOT lanes in Northern Virginia when a major mishap on the main lanes will cause VDOT to open the HOT lanes to all traffic without charge.
I believe there is getting ready to be a nighttime construction detour from mainline I-395 onto its HOV/HOT lanes...
People will drive in the HOV lanes on I-84 and I-91 if there's enough snow to hide the lane markings. They will even drive in the divider area!
When it snows, the lanes aren't painted on the road; they're where the cars in front of you have gone. :)
In snowy conditions, most drivers will follow the tracks from previous drivers right off a cliff, or into a tree or other obstruction, because they are STUPID! Even on roads they drive on almost every day and thus should instinctively know where the lanes are without any guidance from pavement markings. As such, this is one of the very few situations where I believe that automated driving or driver assistance might be useful.
How is the self-driving car going to know where the lanes are if they can't be seen under the snow?
Great point! Unless they use some sort of in-pavement or roadside sensor. If they rely only on the visual spotting of lane lines, they would be totally worthless in showy conditions. Just another reason I believe so-called "self driving vehicles" should not be allowed on public roadways. Just because we have the technology to do something, it doesn't mean we should.
Being that self-driving cars have been tested for many miles and many months/years on side roads, parking lots and other areas without lane lines, your worries have been proven unfounded a long time ago.
Until the self-driving vehicle kills someone... oh wait, it HAS! Of course, you are entitled to your opinion. But at this point in their development I just don't want to share the road with, or be driven around by them.