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Title: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: index on September 26, 2018, 01:14:54 PM
Here in the Carolinas, surface roads that are concrete aren't exactly common (except bridges, those don't count as most of them are concrete) - you can usually only find them on freeways here. However, there are a few exceptions to this.


https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0428752,-81.4064942,3a,75y,242.21h,77.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s7Tu2chtFWcEP2PTJmIlziw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D7Tu2chtFWcEP2PTJmIlziw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D165.8254%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.0428752,-81.4064942,3a,75y,242.21h,77.41t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s7Tu2chtFWcEP2PTJmIlziw!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D7Tu2chtFWcEP2PTJmIlziw%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D165.8254%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)


Here is an example - SC 97 in Smyrna, South Carolina. This one may have been re-paved. I know of another example near Siler City, NC, but I can't find it. I will have to look up my saved GSV locations when I get home...


Edit: Here's the ones in Siler City.


https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7326459,-79.4669924,3a,60y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN_4a_pW9aNWIVfY_QBk3fA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.7326459,-79.4669924,3a,60y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sN_4a_pW9aNWIVfY_QBk3fA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)


https://www.google.com/maps/@35.73037,-79.4665858,3a,75y,332.96h,77.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLXtKDMiDU8jOHPvRc2497w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@35.73037,-79.4665858,3a,75y,332.96h,77.84t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sLXtKDMiDU8jOHPvRc2497w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

There are also a few four lane surface roads that are paved in concrete here, such as Charlottetowne Ave in Charlotte, and University Parkway in Winston-Salem.


https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1102887,-80.2544612,3a,60y,352.29h,93.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skNVBzpA5jjESwAzP2ZHxHQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1102887,-80.2544612,3a,60y,352.29h,93.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skNVBzpA5jjESwAzP2ZHxHQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)


https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1125418,-80.2557823,3a,25y,346.37h,89.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAKqveIWCGPzZ3cxq8B64FQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1125418,-80.2557823,3a,25y,346.37h,89.19t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAKqveIWCGPzZ3cxq8B64FQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)


University Parkway in Winston-Salem also features yellow-on-black object markers, which are quite a rarity here, as well as black signals, although the latter is becoming more common. Charlottetowne Ave in Charlotte intersects a road with dynamic lane control, which is also extremely rare for NC.


A lot of roads in SC look like concrete, but they're actually just faded asphalt - similar to Florida.


https://www.google.com/maps/@33.3722041,-79.288491,165a,35y,344.28h,45t/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.3722041,-79.288491,165a,35y,344.28h,45t/data=!3m1!1e3)

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.3741716,-79.2883782,3a,75y,40.69h,71.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXQLkhXQDF94IicFhXNI6Pg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.3741716,-79.2883782,3a,75y,40.69h,71.17t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXQLkhXQDF94IicFhXNI6Pg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

Georgetown, South Carolina had some roads repaved, and concrete was used.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: jakeroot on September 26, 2018, 01:53:23 PM
I think it's quite common in most states for bridges to be concrete, right? That's definitely the case here in WA (no asphalt overlay), so I won't mention anything in that regard.

I hope this relates to your question, index:

What I do find to be unusual is intersections that are concrete. The vast majority of intersections in my area are asphalt (as are the roads leading up to them), but sometimes they're concrete (https://goo.gl/Ws4sMY).

In Puyallup, the city finally finished a widening project which included the use of permeable concrete (https://goo.gl/w8jbcc), which allows the water to sink into the roadbed (IIRC). Street View (https://goo.gl/L5swWL). I'm not aware of any other road project in the area that includes this type of concrete. From what I've read, there are concerns in cold-weather climates that constant freezing/thawing could ruin the roadbed, but I have not seen this happen (despite most winter days dropping below freezing at night).

In the Port of Tacoma, several road widening projects have included the use of concrete (https://goo.gl/eACF64), as it stands up better overtime to tractor/trailers.

In Seattle, despite the overwhelming majority of roads being asphalt, many new arterial roads are concrete (https://goo.gl/B8rx4u) (as is the new tunnel).

To clarify, although I just gave quite a few examples, asphalt lane-miles still far exceed those of concrete.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: index on September 26, 2018, 04:57:24 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 26, 2018, 01:53:23 PM
I think it's quite common in most states for bridges to be concrete, right? That's definitely the case here in WA (no asphalt overlay), so I won't mention anything in that regard.

I hope this relates to your question, index:

What I do find to be unusual is intersections that are concrete. The vast majority of intersections in my area are asphalt (as are the roads leading up to them), but sometimes they're concrete (https://goo.gl/Ws4sMY).



I am not sure of the reason behind the concrete intersections in the least bit, but if I were to take a wild guess I'd say that perhaps the intersection is subject to heavy wear, and because concrete is more durable in the long run than asphalt, that would be a better option. However, historical GSVs don't show that when it was asphalt, so it must not be the case.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: SSOWorld on September 26, 2018, 06:20:37 PM
I-40 in NC has a concrete base - covered with an asphalt overlay - around Asheville to the west at least - one significant change I saw between 1995 and this year (yea that's over 20 years - any questions? )
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: Bruce on September 26, 2018, 07:06:02 PM
Even for asphalt streets in Seattle, there's concrete pads at bus stops to prevent additional damage. Also makes it easier to spot the bus stop if the sign is obscured.

(https://nacto.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Bus-Bulb-with-Pad-high-volume_Seattle_BBryant.jpg)

This stop in particular, on 3rd Avenue, has recently been rebuilt since the street is now all concrete.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: formulanone on September 26, 2018, 07:34:58 PM
Except for bridges, flyovers, culverts, and raised highways, Florida does not use concrete much for "on the surface" roads. I-95 south of Golden Glades Interchange to its terminus is all concrete. I want to say a good bit of I-95 around Jacksonville is also primarily concrete.

Some parts of US 441 around Mount Dora and Tavares did, but a curious application would be this intersection of Powerline and Sample Road (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.2730133,-80.1520768,3a,90y,104.33h,37.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sY463wII4Tl7x_OwUiLT-yg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). The trucks would rut the asphalt under braking for the traffic lights, so FDOT used concrete for the intersection to reduce the swelling and bumps in the road. The concrete slabs were a good idea, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: Mapmikey on September 26, 2018, 08:05:46 PM
More from the Carolinas:

NC 32 had a short stretch southeast of Edenton that was still there as of 2014 - https://goo.gl/maps/UjCpPE1owp82

US 15's original approach into Virginia was concrete as late as 2015 - https://goo.gl/maps/V6T7VJxFDN32

US 52-78 in North Charleston between the US 52-78 split and Durant Ave (about 3 miles) has been concrete for almost 80 years.  The asphalt patches in this link (https://goo.gl/maps/rkA53bJ51CE2) used to be raised median strips (see picture from 1960s in same location - https://goo.gl/images/hE74ay)

St Johns Ave in North Charleston which was SC 525 until the late 1940s - https://goo.gl/maps/vUHTEUMFJLr

Old Lake City Hwy - https://goo.gl/maps/uXZTBizkFbz

Of course, NC still has some original brick highways left - old US 17/NC 30 near Vanceboro - https://goo.gl/maps/BYa8NLAhCBP2 and old US 70/NC 10 west of New Bern - https://goo.gl/maps/ZJZsncbvFM72

The concrete just at intersections is to prevent rutting by heavy trucks when coming to a stop or taking off.  There are some in South Carolina where the asphalt would badly rut every few years...
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: froggie on September 26, 2018, 09:10:30 PM
Surprised Mapmikey didn't mention the US 460 Appomattox Bypass in Virginia.

Another one:  the freeway portion of the US 82 Starkville Bypass in Mississippi.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: thenetwork on September 26, 2018, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: index on September 26, 2018, 04:57:24 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 26, 2018, 01:53:23 PM
I think it's quite common in most states for bridges to be concrete, right? That's definitely the case here in WA (no asphalt overlay), so I won't mention anything in that regard.

I hope this relates to your question, index:

What I do find to be unusual is intersections that are concrete. The vast majority of intersections in my area are asphalt (as are the roads leading up to them), but sometimes they're concrete (https://goo.gl/Ws4sMY).



I am not sure of the reason behind the concrete intersections in the least bit, but if I were to take a wild guess I'd say that perhaps the intersection is subject to heavy wear, and because concrete is more durable in the long run than asphalt, that would be a better option. However, historical GSVs don't show that when it was asphalt, so it must not be the case.

A lot of times at intersections that are concrete, it's because that heavy vehicles (buses and trucks) that are stopped on asphalt for an extended time, especially in hot weather, they do "sink" into the pavement and, over time, you will gradually see "ruts" where the asphalt is literally pushed to the sides.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: RobbieL2415 on September 26, 2018, 10:45:58 PM
CT has three left:
I-84 in Manchester
I-84 in Waterbury
I-691 in Southington/Meriden
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: hotdogPi on September 27, 2018, 07:39:41 AM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on September 26, 2018, 10:45:58 PM
CT has three left:
I-84 in Manchester
I-84 in Waterbury
I-691 in Southington/Meriden

Those are not surface roads.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: Mapmikey on September 27, 2018, 08:27:16 AM
Quote from: froggie on September 26, 2018, 09:10:30 PM
Surprised Mapmikey didn't mention the US 460 Appomattox Bypass in Virginia.



Didn't qualify as "more from the Carolinas..."

Some ones from Virginia besides the US 460 Bypass of Appomattox...

Most of VA 316 is still concrete - https://goo.gl/maps/Z1ssW4K36zy

All of VA 272 and a lot of solo VA 189 - https://goo.gl/maps/bjkGQHc7uTo

US 60 between VA 249 and VA 33 still has long sections of concrete - https://goo.gl/maps/si3rwvETBAL2

S. Atlantic Ave in Virginia Beach (below Rudee Inlet) which was US 60 at one time - https://goo.gl/maps/tLZoJmoq6Gq

US 58 Byp Virginia Beach - https://goo.gl/maps/2eaZqvZcTUD2

VA 166 Diamond Springs Rd - https://goo.gl/maps/eCnRJbPdfrS2

Another part of VA 166 - https://goo.gl/maps/nsKoDRv4rN82

There are definitely others in the Hampton Roads region - all the original twinnings of roads were concrete.

The Colonial Pkwy and a lot of the George Washington Parkway are still concrete.

Forgot this nifty one from North carolina I found last year...this is old US 1 near the Virginia line: https://goo.gl/maps/3iat3RW4rrw
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: jeffandnicole on September 27, 2018, 08:39:53 AM
A number of NJ's older streets, say in the Philly suburbs, were concrete.  There's still some around; Camden County seems to have a number of concrete streets still in use.  Many others though have been paved over, only to be rediscovered briefly when the asphalt is milled and repaved.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: formulanone on September 27, 2018, 09:48:47 AM
Quote from: 1 on September 27, 2018, 07:39:41 AM
Those are not surface roads.

I can see where the thread wording could imply "concrete surface" rather than "surface roads".
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: kphoger on September 27, 2018, 10:05:18 AM
Quote from: Bruce on September 26, 2018, 07:06:02 PM
Even for asphalt streets in Seattle, there's concrete pads at bus stops to prevent additional damage.
(https://nacto.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Bus-Bulb-with-Pad-high-volume_Seattle_BBryant.jpg)

That is an excellent idea!
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: BrianP on September 27, 2018, 11:21:04 AM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 27, 2018, 08:39:53 AM
A number of NJ's older streets, say in the Philly suburbs, were concrete.  There's still some around; Camden County seems to have a number of concrete streets still in use.  Many others though have been paved over, only to be rediscovered briefly when the asphalt is milled and repaved.
I've wondered why this road from Erial to Clementon is concrete:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7735339,-75.0059834,3a,75y,69.42h,76t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1stfw62F_aMGSMJKg1NTXOsQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

I'm also a fan of this concrete section of CR 561:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8082341,-74.9413793,3a,75y,143.06h,77.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s12MlWRNYkj87uzA56tMFnQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
There's more further east:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7846404,-74.9247998,3a,75y,171.13h,70.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1so6EsQFHcVb7qY8ZxpwgCnA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I also like how the old concrete road still cuts through this intersection. 
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7691892,-74.9192927,3a,60y,161.86h,81.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sY7vmLx6tmYvMbAY-tpUc2g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Church St in Blackwood:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8021381,-75.0665072,3a,75y,81.14h,79.12t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sbETPcGCMPuln3qbmuW8Lfw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
I miss parts of the Black Horse Pike that were concrete.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: thenetwork on September 27, 2018, 12:03:16 PM
In Western Colorado, only a small section of I-70 between West Rifle and Silt is concrete.  Looks to be original from the 70's, and was diamond ground about 10 years ago and looked and drove like new.  Now it's really showing it's age as studded tires have worn off that 'new life' surface.

Otherwise, most of the miles of Colorado freeways of concrete are in the Front Range, east of the Rockies.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 27, 2018, 12:07:44 PM
Many Maryland arterial highways in the suburbs of Washington, D.C. built in the 1950's and 1960's were concrete surface, but have since had one or more layers of asphalt applied above the concrete.

D.C. itself has a decent number of concrete-surface residential streets, though asphalt predominates around the city.   One fairly new section of New York Avenue, N.E. (U.S. 50) is concrete surface from prior to the interchange at South Dakota Avenue, N.E. to the border with  Maryland. 
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: cpzilliacus on September 27, 2018, 12:10:58 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 27, 2018, 08:27:16 AM
The Colonial Pkwy and a lot of the George Washington Parkway are still concrete.

I think the Colonial Parkway is deliberately kept concrete by the National Park Service (and the mix that was used there has an unusual amount of stone, at least at the surface, to keep it a "rough" (and presumably "colonial" type of surface)).
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: Beltway on September 27, 2018, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: froggie on September 26, 2018, 09:10:30 PM
Surprised Mapmikey didn't mention the US 460 Appomattox Bypass in Virginia.

Not a surface road ... it is built to full freeway standards ... https://tinyurl.com/yct43hhp

There are many surface roads in Virginia that have a concrete base that later was overlaid with 4 to 6 inches of asphalt pavement.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: jakeroot on September 27, 2018, 12:38:55 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 26, 2018, 08:05:46 PM
The concrete just at intersections is to prevent rutting by heavy trucks when coming to a stop or taking off.  There are some in South Carolina where the asphalt would badly rut every few years...

Thank you for the explanation. As you can see in my post, I am aware of the advantage that concrete provides in terms of durability, however, I did not consider that to be likely factor in the intersection that I linked to, as it is within a couple hundred feet of a major interstate, where the vast majority of trucks are traveling.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: vdeane on September 27, 2018, 01:01:05 PM
There are a few in NY, notably a piece of US 9 in North Hudson, the intersection of NY 155/Albany Shaker Road near the Airport, the intersection of NY 36/NY 408 in Mount Morris, NY 15/NY 253 in Henrietta, the central SPUI ramps at I-87 exit 6, and at least at one time (may have been paved since), Delaware Avenue in Sidney.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: index on September 27, 2018, 09:18:57 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on September 26, 2018, 08:05:46 PM

The concrete just at intersections is to prevent rutting by heavy trucks when coming to a stop or taking off.  There are some in South Carolina where the asphalt would badly rut every few years...


Perhaps this is why the pavement on the complex of intersections in Georgetown, SC (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.3744832,-79.288921,357m/data=!3m1!1e3 (https://www.google.com/maps/place/Georgetown,+SC+29440/@33.3723047,-79.2935444,1700m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89002b60b93fc761:0xe9d84f5266cbec7d!8m2!3d33.376834!4d-79.2944964)) is concrete. There's also industrial facilities around that area so I suppose there could be some amount of truck traffic greater than average.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: steviep24 on September 28, 2018, 09:15:31 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 27, 2018, 01:01:05 PM
There are a few in NY, notably a piece of US 9 in North Hudson, the intersection of NY 155/Albany Shaker Road near the Airport, the intersection of NY 36/NY 408 in Mount Morris, NY 15/NY 253 in Henrietta, the central SPUI ramps at I-87 exit 6, and at least at one time (may have been paved since), Delaware Avenue in Sidney.
The intersection of NY 531/NY 31/NY 36 (The recently completed NY 531 Terminus Project) is in concrete as well.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: GenExpwy on September 29, 2018, 03:51:18 AM
Quote from: steviep24 on September 28, 2018, 09:15:31 PM
Quote from: vdeane on September 27, 2018, 01:01:05 PM
There are a few in NY, notably a piece of US 9 in North Hudson, the intersection of NY 155/Albany Shaker Road near the Airport, the intersection of NY 36/NY 408 in Mount Morris, NY 15/NY 253 in Henrietta, the central SPUI ramps at I-87 exit 6, and at least at one time (may have been paved since), Delaware Avenue in Sidney.
The intersection of NY 531/NY 31/NY 36 (The recently completed NY 531 Terminus Project) is in concrete as well.

Also on NY 408 at I-390 Exit 7 (where the truck traffic is so heavy, especially the Buffalo-to-Corning turn, that the concrete has already been extensively redone once and still has problem spots).

And, a very short distance away, on NY 63 at the truck entrance to the salt mine (this one's just a couple of years old).
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: UCFKnights on September 29, 2018, 09:19:38 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on September 26, 2018, 09:48:35 PM
Quote from: index on September 26, 2018, 04:57:24 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on September 26, 2018, 01:53:23 PM
I think it's quite common in most states for bridges to be concrete, right? That's definitely the case here in WA (no asphalt overlay), so I won't mention anything in that regard.

I hope this relates to your question, index:

What I do find to be unusual is intersections that are concrete. The vast majority of intersections in my area are asphalt (as are the roads leading up to them), but sometimes they're concrete (https://goo.gl/Ws4sMY).



I am not sure of the reason behind the concrete intersections in the least bit, but if I were to take a wild guess I'd say that perhaps the intersection is subject to heavy wear, and because concrete is more durable in the long run than asphalt, that would be a better option. However, historical GSVs don't show that when it was asphalt, so it must not be the case.

A lot of times at intersections that are concrete, it's because that heavy vehicles (buses and trucks) that are stopped on asphalt for an extended time, especially in hot weather, they do "sink" into the pavement and, over time, you will gradually see "ruts" where the asphalt is literally pushed to the sides.
Concrete intersections in Florida, where the roads are not otherwise concrete, is typically for aesthetic reasons as far as I know. Stained concrete and the "patterns" they can do with the cuts/joints make it more interesting. Stained asphalt typically doesn't seem to last as well since its not in the mixture, its more a paint.

Florida is typically uncommon for concrete but there is plenty of it around. The new I-4 express lanes are being built with concrete (although the shoulders are asphalt). I find that a bit strange as quite often Florida also does the reverse (concrete shoulders with asphalt roads). When concrete is cheaper then asphalt, FDOT has no problem just doing everything with concrete. While asphalt is far more common, I don't think there is a true consistent reason to the choice in this state.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: webny99 on September 30, 2018, 12:21:30 PM
I took the thread title to mean all roads in general which have a concrete surface... not specific to surface streets. Seems like most replies are including only non-freeways; would be good to get clarification.

The expressway portion of NY 441 is concrete - the
concrete portion does, however, pass through a traffic signal at Linden Ave.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: hotdogPi on September 30, 2018, 12:27:41 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2018, 12:21:30 PM
I took the thread title to mean all roads in general which have a concrete surface... not specific to surface streets. Seems like most replies are including only non-freeways; would be good to get clarification.

It's already clear. The OP has the phrase "surface roads that are concrete".
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: kphoger on October 01, 2018, 02:23:36 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 30, 2018, 12:27:41 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2018, 12:21:30 PM
I took the thread title to mean all roads in general which have a concrete surface... not specific to surface streets. Seems like most replies are including only non-freeways; would be good to get clarification.

It's already clear. The OP has the phrase "surface roads that are concrete".

:rolleyes:  Like people can be expected to go through ALL that work of reading the OP before posting a reply to it...
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: webny99 on October 01, 2018, 03:30:20 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 01, 2018, 02:23:36 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 30, 2018, 12:27:41 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2018, 12:21:30 PM
I took the thread title to mean all roads in general which have a concrete surface... not specific to surface streets. Seems like most replies are including only non-freeways; would be good to get clarification.
It's already clear. The OP has the phrase "surface roads that are concrete".
:rolleyes:  Like people can be expected to go through ALL that work of reading the OP before posting a reply to it...

There wasn't an obvious reason why freeways would be excluded. Combine that with multiple applications of "surface", and the result is a lack of clarity.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: kphoger on October 01, 2018, 03:57:19 PM
Quote from: index on September 26, 2018, 01:14:54 PM
Here in the Carolinas, surface roads that are concrete aren't exactly common (except bridges, those don't count as most of them are concrete) - you can usually only find them on freeways here.

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There was a clear distinction made in the very first sentence of the OP.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: index on October 02, 2018, 12:45:52 AM
Here's a few more in Lumberton:
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.6245574,-79.0058255,3a,75y,98.99h,83.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAHUcqiC0LJ-1u_JUPqm_Nw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.6245574,-79.0058255,3a,75y,98.99h,83.01t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sAHUcqiC0LJ-1u_JUPqm_Nw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.6260217,-79.0057967,3a,60y,98.99h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz4cyElr2npxVeBiOtRBqkQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.6260217,-79.0057967,3a,60y,98.99h,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sz4cyElr2npxVeBiOtRBqkQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.6269799,-79.007436,3a,43.7y,1.97h,84.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc0iWHGr5Z5gN-kktMw_-8Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.6269799,-79.007436,3a,43.7y,1.97h,84.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc0iWHGr5Z5gN-kktMw_-8Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) (There's an 8 inch signal with 8 inch arrows further down)
https://www.google.com/maps/@34.625906,-79.0099398,3a,54.1y,1.38h,87.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKSPyWDbVvaI00zqR48tTvw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 Here's one with markings


There's a few more like this in Lumberton, most of them being residential streets. On another note, Lumberton has some interesting and old signals, but I won't dive into that too much as I don't want to be going off topic.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: ftballfan on October 02, 2018, 09:15:03 PM
A short portion of LaSalle Rd near Manistee, MI is concrete: https://goo.gl/maps/9BRNybGdkvj
This dates back to when this stretch of LaSalle Rd was part of US-31
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: roadman on October 09, 2018, 02:28:22 PM
At a couple of the rebuilt McDonalds in my area (the design that looks like a bank building), the parking lots are asphalt except for the handicap spaces, which are concrete.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: wriddle082 on October 09, 2018, 08:19:08 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 26, 2018, 07:34:58 PM
Except for bridges, flyovers, culverts, and raised highways, Florida does not use concrete much for "on the surface" roads. I-95 south of Golden Glades Interchange to its terminus is all concrete. I want to say a good bit of I-95 around Jacksonville is also primarily concrete.

Some parts of US 441 around Mount Dora and Tavares did, but a curious application would be this intersection of Powerline and Sample Road (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.2730133,-80.1520768,3a,90y,104.33h,37.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sY463wII4Tl7x_OwUiLT-yg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). The trucks would rut the asphalt under braking for the traffic lights, so FDOT used concrete for the intersection to reduce the swelling and bumps in the road. The concrete slabs were a good idea, in my opinion.

The final stretch of I-4 to be widened, from 95 SW about 15 miles or so, was done in concrete.  I believe they finally finished this off about a year ago.  Also I think there is a concrete section near the western terminus in Tampa, and last time I was in Orlando it was too early to tell if the I-4 Ultimate project would utilize concrete for its final driving surface.  But prior to this project starting it did have concrete from downtown to at least OBT.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: formulanone on October 09, 2018, 08:40:11 PM
Wilson Street in Decatur, Alabama (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.6176598,-86.9871914,831m/data=!3m1!1e3) (Alternate US 72 / AL 20) has concrete pavement for about half a mile; likely due to heavy traffic.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: thenetwork on October 09, 2018, 11:02:08 PM
In Western Colorado, there is a section of US-550 going thru Durango as well as two short stretches of US-6/US-50/BL-70 in Grand Junction -- one just west of downtown and one at the DDI at I-70.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: adventurernumber1 on October 10, 2018, 12:08:35 AM
Quote from: webny99 on October 01, 2018, 03:30:20 PM
Quote from: kphoger on October 01, 2018, 02:23:36 PM
Quote from: 1 on September 30, 2018, 12:27:41 PM
Quote from: webny99 on September 30, 2018, 12:21:30 PM
I took the thread title to mean all roads in general which have a concrete surface... not specific to surface streets. Seems like most replies are including only non-freeways; would be good to get clarification.
It's already clear. The OP has the phrase "surface roads that are concrete".
:rolleyes:  Like people can be expected to go through ALL that work of reading the OP before posting a reply to it...

There wasn't an obvious reason why freeways would be excluded. Combine that with multiple applications of "surface", and the result is a lack of clarity.

To clarify, a "surface street" is a non-limited-access road. I could see where the confusion could arise, since a "surface street" could be interpreted as simply a road that is not elevated or something else (and in that definition could include freeways). But in this definition, freeways are excluded, which is why people are not mentioning them in this thread.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: adventurernumber1 on October 10, 2018, 01:11:31 AM
Georgia's surface roads are very rarely concrete (though when it comes to their interstates and freeways, concrete shows up very often, especially on many of the rural, four-lane stretches of interstate within the state such as I-16 and I-20). But every once in a while - usually on divided highways - you will see concrete surface roads in the state.

Georgia Highway 316, (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9437921,-83.7495411,3a,75y,110.98h,90.3t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQH0CM_ZV4-tV2wAu3jh_wA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DQH0CM_ZV4-tV2wAu3jh_wA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D195.4074%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) in its entirety, is mostly concrete.

In my very own home town of Dalton, GA, the great majority of the northern section of the bypass (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.8001214,-84.9929722,3a,75y,219.81h,83.92t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s25knyCJiCx-FbXGWAeQzKA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D25knyCJiCx-FbXGWAeQzKA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D300.20157%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) (US 41/US 76/GA 3), from I-75's Exit 336 to GA SR 52, is concrete, albeit the pavement is very old now (dates back to circa 1987, according to my grandfather). The southern section of the bypass (US 41/GA 3, then just GA 3 CONN from I-75's Exit 328 to the US 41 intersection) is all asphalt, however (except for the bridges).

Much of the new, west Rome Bypass is also concrete (though the street-view listed is a little older). (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.2256561,-85.2879298,3a,75y,342.85h,84.65t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spsVka2CoLfj13TfynHFhvA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DpsVka2CoLfj13TfynHFhvA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D60.231747%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)

The new US 41 bypass in Barnesville, GA (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.044048,-84.1319188,3a,75y,22.88h,88.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sPIKlNVemvuaTTd_7-P0aAQ!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DPIKlNVemvuaTTd_7-P0aAQ%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D280.16818%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) is not only concrete, but it is also a two-lane road, which makes it an even rarer occurrence around these parts.

Much of GA SR 515, including but not limited to both the Jasper area (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.4051434,-84.4207674,3a,75y,142.5h,86.74t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sWGEwDCp4CnLw3zeP9LXCuA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DWGEwDCp4CnLw3zeP9LXCuA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D231.36494%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) and west of Blairsville, (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.8767958,-84.0888311,3a,75y,282.97h,86.79t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1shxpP1Py13U--VqRqSi3wog!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DhxpP1Py13U--VqRqSi3wog%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D26.867435%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) is concrete.

US 278 in some of the Powder Springs and Austell area (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.8244425,-84.6630805,3a,75y,135.88h,92.25t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s8aibf-fBq8TS6ga0rbEb7Q!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D8aibf-fBq8TS6ga0rbEb7Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D45.440952%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656) (in the western Atlanta Metro Area) is concrete.

Some of GA SR 136 near the nearly configured Exit 320 with it and I-75 (https://www.google.com/maps/@34.5791297,-84.9428237,3a,75y,249.24h,95.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMmIC9SPLBHwkPp8gsA8OlQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in Resaca, GA is now concrete.

There are many, many more examples of that other than those, but overall, it is still a rather rare sight to see concrete surface roads around here.

However, most bridges (on both surface streets and limited-access roads) are concrete around here as well, so when it comes to that, it would be more rare for me to see asphalt covering a bridge on either a surface road or a freeway.


Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: ipeters61 on October 17, 2018, 08:56:17 PM
In Connecticut, I can think of one example (CT-322 near I-691, for a very brief period):

(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/HIWFTkZ.png)

In Delaware, they appear more often than I'd expect in New Castle County, generally on the higher speed roads through urban areas (this is DE-9 south of I-495, others I can think of are DE-3 near I-95, DE-4 in Stanton, DE-100 near DE-48, DE-896 between the Summit Bridge and I-95):

(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/HIWH0hO.png)
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: froggie on October 19, 2018, 08:11:22 PM
A couple not yet mentioned that I traveled earlier today:

- US 5 in Springfield, MA (NOT the freeway segment across the river from downtown, but north of there near I-91)
- Eastbound US 6 for a stretch between Fall River and New Bedford, MA.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: index on July 13, 2021, 03:26:26 AM
Reviving this thread with a new find:

Trenton, SC: https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7420987,-81.8420289,3a,60y,196.66h,86.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sB9Hxy36hJCeXMCDeCdm6Nw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!5m1!1e4
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: formulanone on July 13, 2021, 07:20:32 AM
Quote from: wriddle082 on October 09, 2018, 08:19:08 PM
Quote from: formulanone on September 26, 2018, 07:34:58 PM
Except for bridges, flyovers, culverts, and raised highways, Florida does not use concrete much for "on the surface" roads. I-95 south of Golden Glades Interchange to its terminus is all concrete. I want to say a good bit of I-95 around Jacksonville is also primarily concrete.

Some parts of US 441 around Mount Dora and Tavares did, but a curious application would be this intersection of Powerline and Sample Road (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.2730133,-80.1520768,3a,90y,104.33h,37.85t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sY463wII4Tl7x_OwUiLT-yg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). The trucks would rut the asphalt under braking for the traffic lights, so FDOT used concrete for the intersection to reduce the swelling and bumps in the road. The concrete slabs were a good idea, in my opinion.

The final stretch of I-4 to be widened, from 95 SW about 15 miles or so, was done in concrete.  I believe they finally finished this off about a year ago.  Also I think there is a concrete section near the western terminus in Tampa, and last time I was in Orlando it was too early to tell if the I-4 Ultimate project would utilize concrete for its final driving surface.  But prior to this project starting it did have concrete from downtown to at least OBT.


I drove on some sections of I-4 in Orlando for the first time in many years, and there's a lot of concrete in the new construction.

(Also, a lot of of added toll lanes without any increase in non-tolled lane capacity. But that's a gripe for another thread.)
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: SectorZ on July 13, 2021, 10:04:11 AM
Surprised this one in Lowell, MA, MA 133, wasn't mentioned.

https://goo.gl/maps/PKsLej6KRufnzYra6
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: SectorZ on July 13, 2021, 10:05:24 AM
My hometown has a dead-end road made on concrete that was appropriately named "Concrete Road"

https://goo.gl/maps/2E9K575ajEJQWtfm6
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: US 89 on July 13, 2021, 10:21:17 AM
In the Salt Lake City area, concrete is fairly common on freeways and expressways but is relatively rare on surface roads. That said, it does occur on a few arterials, most of which were reconstructed in the past 5-10 years. Portions of Redwood Rd in the south and northwest Salt Lake Valley, most of 11400 South, SR 92 in Lehi, and 2000 West in Syracuse come to mind in that department. Several minor residential streets in SLC are also paved in concrete, but these are much older and probably haven't received any sort of road treatment in many years.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: thenetwork on July 13, 2021, 08:08:24 PM
There is at least two concrete stretches of CO-13 between Rifle and the Wyoming line -- both were built within the last 2-3 years as part of a total reconstruction and shoulder widening.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: froggie on August 19, 2021, 10:57:27 PM
Re-resurrecting this thread as I found (and drove on) another example from New York this morning:  BUSINESS US 219 between NY 417 and I-86/Exit 23.

To add to Mapmikey's Virginia examples from 3 years ago, there's another one that used to (I don't know if it still does) exist on the Little Creek Amphibious Base.  A stretch of Amphibious Dr east of the rail spur was (is?) a 2-lane concrete road.  Because it's a military base, the closest GMSV is along westbound Shore Dr on the other side of the fence...it seems like it might have still been concrete as recently as April 2019 but I can't tell for sure.  I did not drive that road when I stayed on base 2 months ago.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: US 89 on August 19, 2021, 11:13:41 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on July 13, 2021, 08:08:24 PM
There is at least two concrete stretches of CO-13 between Rifle and the Wyoming line -- both were built within the last 2-3 years as part of a total reconstruction and shoulder widening.

I remember noticing long stretches of concrete roadway on US 287 through eastern Colorado. I assumed that was due to the fairly heavy truck traffic on that corridor.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: bcroadguy on August 20, 2021, 06:19:40 AM
BC almost NEVER uses concrete road surfaces, with the exception of bus pads (almost never done outside of the City of Vancouver, which has fairly high bus ridership, until very recently) and some bridges (NOT including the 10 lane Port Mann bridge, which has an asphalt surface).

There are a few small older residential streets (usually in poor condition) in Vancouver that are paved with concrete but I can't think of any off the top off my head.

There are two major roads I can think of that used to be concrete (Cornwall Ave (https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2724662,-123.1471263,3a,45.8y,84.66h,92.62t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sW5AUO-F64Rw7tdjpahdB2A!2e0!5s20120701T000000!7i13312!8i6656) in Vancouver and Gaglardi Way (https://www.google.com/maps/@49.275109,-122.9284455,3a,39.8y,295.34h,91.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFaI4-ePMdT8BHGTsWq9W4A!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) in Burnaby), but not anymore.

There is a small section of Pinetree Way (https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.28018,-122.7937648,3a,45.7y,214.21h,87.71t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sVdb6GB5vCK-BPs7Pzh5xkQ!2e0!5s20210201T000000!7i16384!8i8192)in Coquitlam that uses concrete (and a style of arrow markings that seems to be extremely common in most parts of the US and Canada but rarely seen in BC) that surprisingly survived the road being almost completely redone in 2016.

Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: thenetwork on August 20, 2021, 07:04:17 PM
Quote from: US 89 on August 19, 2021, 11:13:41 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on July 13, 2021, 08:08:24 PM
There is at least two concrete stretches of CO-13 between Rifle and the Wyoming line -- both were built within the last 2-3 years as part of a total reconstruction and shoulder widening.

I remember noticing long stretches of concrete roadway on US 287 through eastern Colorado. I assumed that was due to the fairly heavy truck traffic on that corridor.

The only parts of I-70 west of the divide in Colorado that are concrete are about a newer 5-mile stretch between Mack and Loma,  and an old 10-mile stretch between West Rifle and Silt ‐‐ the diamond grading they did on it over 10 years ago to extend it's life is hardly noticeable now.

Seemed like most if not all of I-70 East of the Denver Metro area was concrete, but that's a 5-year fuzzy memory.

The only other concrete highways I'm aware of in Western Colorado are the US highways (160/491/550) within Durango's and Cortez's city limits and a stretch of US 6/50 on West side of Grand Junction.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: US 89 on August 20, 2021, 11:41:43 PM
Quote from: thenetwork on August 20, 2021, 07:04:17 PM
Seemed like most if not all of I-70 East of the Denver Metro area was concrete, but that's a 5-year fuzzy memory.

You know what, you're right. I remember noticing that when I drove from Denver to Kansas City on 70 last week.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: index on June 30, 2023, 05:36:31 AM
NC 62/Main Street in Yanceyville, NC:

https://www.google.com/maps/@36.4051192,-79.3240216,3a,75y,255.35h,88.5t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfB2wxW2Q81Lpj7br5fUxHA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: wriddle082 on June 30, 2023, 07:38:09 AM
Tennessee rarely uses concrete as the main driving surface, but has been using it at intersections with heavy truck traffic (to prevent surface buckling) and most freeway on- and off-ramps are concrete, or at least start life as concrete.  As far as mainline freeways are concerned, I can think of the following concrete stretches:

I-40 in Memphis roughly between Exits 2A and 5 has original concrete from the late 70's.

I-40 eastbound lanes only east of Jackson, past the six lane stretch east of Exit 87 up to just past the Henderson County line.

I-65 north of Nashville from the northern I-24 split to Exit 96.  Anywhere from 6 to 14 lanes of concrete along that 8 mile stretch.

I-24 has a brief concrete section in Downtown Chattanooga near US 27, and is also concrete east of the crest of Missionary Ridge almost to its end at I-75.

Most of I-75 is concrete from north of I-24 all the way to Exit 11 at Ooltewah.

And this is not a full freeway, but a few miles of Bypass US 45 in Jackson, south of I-40, is original concrete possibly from the 60's.

That's about all that I can think of.
Title: Re: Concrete surface roads in states where they are rare
Post by: Road Hog on June 30, 2023, 11:15:53 AM
TxDOT hardly ever uses concrete for non-divided highways in rural areas. But one exception is US 82 in Bowie County, between DeKalb and the I-30 junction near New Boston. This road was reconstructed in the 2015-16 time frame and is concrete with passing lanes.

Of course, concrete is widely used by TxDOT in controlled-access roads and urban divided arterials.