It's been rehashed over and over by politicians and even on this site, but Bob Hugin, a NJ state senator is pushing to get Route 55 to finally come to fruition. There is no actual approval, but he seems to be urging feds to get this done after many decades of delay and disinterest. IMO, this highway is a vital link for travelers from the Philadelphia metro area to points south, including Glassboro, Vineland and Cape May. If it were to be extended further, this would lessen traffic on the unsafe Delsea Drive which faces some serious congestion for shore traffic. It seems to be that one of the major negative aspects of this proposal are the environmental impacts.
https://www.insidernj.com/press-release/hugin-extend-route-55-south-jersey/
Quote from: J Route Z on October 02, 2018, 10:12:53 PMIt seems to be that one of the major negative aspects of this proposal are the environmental impacts.
Such has always been the reason why this highway extension has, to date, not become reality.
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 03, 2018, 09:04:28 AM
Quote from: J Route Z on October 02, 2018, 10:12:53 PMIt seems to be that one of the major negative aspects of this proposal are the environmental impacts.
Such has always been the reason why this highway extension has, to date, not become reality.
Perhaps 20 miles long if extended to the Parkway near Avalon? So somewhere between $500 and $800 million would be in the ballpark. Could bridge over some areas of wetlands.
It's pretty much like clockwork that someone brings this up every 2 years. Expect to hear the same thing repeated around October, 2020.
The actual price, I would expect, would be well over $1 billion; approaching $2 billion. It's costing NJDOT $150 million just to build a 1 mile, half-elevated ramp between 295 and 42. The only thing going for the area is land prices are relatively cheaper.
Quote from: J Route Z on October 02, 2018, 10:12:53 PM
You thread title
should read, "NJ 55 extension brought up by
US Senatorial Candidate"
Bob Hugin is not currently serving in any political capacity/office.
Placing this story in Fictional Highways is a nice bit of shade
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2018, 10:48:53 AM
The actual price, I would expect, would be well over $1 billion; approaching $2 billion. It's costing NJDOT $150 million just to build a 1 mile, half-elevated ramp between 295 and 42. The only thing going for the area is land prices are relatively cheaper.
No, it wouldn't cost $100 million per mile, probably not even $50 million. The I-295 interchange with the North-South Freeway is a whole different project with the complex elevated ramps.
Quote from: Beltway on October 03, 2018, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2018, 10:48:53 AM
The actual price, I would expect, would be well over $1 billion; approaching $2 billion. It's costing NJDOT $150 million just to build a 1 mile, half-elevated ramp between 295 and 42. The only thing going for the area is land prices are relatively cheaper.
No, it wouldn't cost $100 million per mile, probably not even $50 million. The I-295 interchange with the North-South Freeway is a whole different project with the complex elevated ramps.
Given that the entire route would likely be elevated causeway in order to forestall the environmental impacts, and that there are 20 miles to build, $1 billion doesn't seem all that out of line.
Quote from: TXtoNJ on October 03, 2018, 01:52:51 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 03, 2018, 01:41:49 PM
It wouldn't cost $100 million per mile, probably not even $50 million. The I-295 interchange with the North-South Freeway is a whole different project with the complex elevated ramps.
Given that the entire route would likely be elevated causeway in order to forestall the environmental impacts, and that there are 20 miles to build, $1 billion doesn't seem all that out of line.
I reviewed the likely route on Google Maps Satellite View. I would predict 4 bridges in the 1,000 to 1,500 foot long range to pass over wetlands, and maybe a total of 3 miles of raised embankment. Some of the more difficult areas could be avoided.
I agree Scott. The route would mostly traverse forest land and not wet land. I think the route would mostly be a bit north of the current route. I think they could reuse/upgrade most of NJ 347. The trickiest part I think would actually be getting that last few miles to reach the GSP. This might not even be built as a freeway. I could see a local four lane highway being built like US 322 north of there to minimize the ROW:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4717145,-74.6996293,3a,60y,291.93h,80.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soxzglMS71TGLTynhX6oqqg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Of course a full height jersey barrier would be used instead of that speed bump.
I also found this report:
South JerSey tranSportation planning organization
NJ 55/47/347 PurPose aNd Need statemeNt FiNal rePort
april 2017 (https://www.sjtpo.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Final_NJ_55-47-347_Purpose__Need_Statement_Summary_Report_4-3-17.pdf)(Love copy/pasting from PDFs)
From what I've seen - Most building estimates are hugely underestimated by most people. Simply look thru NJDOT's pages for construction projects. A simply intersection modification can cost several million.
Quote from: Beltway on October 03, 2018, 01:41:49 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2018, 10:48:53 AM
The actual price, I would expect, would be well over $1 billion; approaching $2 billion. It's costing NJDOT $150 million just to build a 1 mile, half-elevated ramp between 295 and 42. The only thing going for the area is land prices are relatively cheaper.
No, it wouldn't cost $100 million per mile, probably not even $50 million. The I-295 interchange with the North-South Freeway is a whole different project with the complex elevated ramps.
I wasn't referring to that project. I was referring to the 295-42 Missing Moves ramps.
Another seemingly easy project: The missing moves between 295 and NJ 38. That one is about $121 million, all in. And they're relatively simple ramps.
Quote from: BrianP on October 03, 2018, 02:51:33 PM
I agree Scott. The route would mostly traverse forest land and not wet land. I think the route would mostly be a bit north of the current route. I think they could reuse/upgrade most of NJ 347. The trickiest part I think would actually be getting that last few miles to reach the GSP. This might not even be built as a freeway. I could see a local four lane highway being built like US 322 north of there to minimize the ROW:
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4717145,-74.6996293,3a,60y,291.93h,80.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1soxzglMS71TGLTynhX6oqqg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Of course a full height jersey barrier would be used instead of that speed bump.
I also found this report:
South JerSey tranSportation planning organization
NJ 55/47/347 PurPose aNd Need statemeNt FiNal rePort
april 2017 (https://www.sjtpo.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Final_NJ_55-47-347_Purpose__Need_Statement_Summary_Report_4-3-17.pdf)(Love copy/pasting from PDFs)
The long-proposed route doesn't go along NJ 347. It cuts more west-east, and hits the GSP in the Stone Harbor/Avalon area.
There's also a large state park in the area that people have long-opposed the highway going through.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2018, 03:45:59 PM
From what I've seen - Most building estimates are hugely underestimated by most people. Simply look thru NJDOT's pages for construction projects. A simply intersection modification can cost several million.
I base my estimates on what I see modeled in current STIPs, and in the case of rural freeways about $25 to $40 million per mile, and up to about $50 million if there is substantial bridgework.
In the case of NJ-55 it would obviously help to see a current preliminary design by NJDOT if one exists.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2018, 03:45:59 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 03, 2018, 01:41:49 PM
No, it wouldn't cost $100 million per mile, probably not even $50 million. The I-295 interchange with the North-South Freeway is a whole different project with the complex elevated ramps.
I wasn't referring to that project. I was referring to the 295-42 Missing Moves ramps.
That is the project that I am referring to.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2018, 03:45:59 PM
Another seemingly easy project: The missing moves between 295 and NJ 38. That one is about $121 million, all in. And they're relatively simple ramps.
I would need to know what all they are planning to do there. That office building and property alone could cost $40-50 million to acquire if they want to build a ramp and loop that meets modern standards. Given the age and condition of the NJ-38 bridges over I-295 and the Turnpike, are their replacements part of this project?
I think New Jersey is just as likely to build new roads, and extend existing ones as Connecticut. As in: NOT IN A MILLION YEARS!
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on October 03, 2018, 04:52:00 PM
I think New Jersey is just as likely to build new roads, and extend existing ones as Connecticut. As in: NOT IN A MILLION YEARS!
Yes the no build option is still the favorite. So far from what I saw in that report that has included adding a couple of left turn lanes at intersections. And improving both ends of NJ 347 seems likely, especially the east end. That may mean adding lanes through the intersections. But what fun is that? (We're skirting at the edge of fictional because at least it's brought up from time to time in the news)
The analogy of clockwork every two years made me chuckle. When we study it again looking for Federal funding, someone please emphasize that it is essential for the purposes of coastal evacuation. That may get the meter to every so slightly tick closer towards yes.
And another thing... If they are going to build/widen it to a four-lane section, don't bother.
Quote from: Don'tKnowYet on October 03, 2018, 09:12:58 PM
And another thing... If they are going to build/widen it to a four-lane section, don't bother.
Requirements thruout: 4 lanes, new location, freeway standards.
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 03, 2018, 10:51:44 AM
Quote from: J Route Z on October 02, 2018, 10:12:53 PM
You thread title should read, "NJ 55 extension brought up by US Senatorial Candidate"
Bob Hugin is not currently serving in any political capacity/office.
Done and done.
Quote from: Beltway on October 03, 2018, 04:21:50 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 03, 2018, 03:45:59 PM
From what I've seen - Most building estimates are hugely underestimated by most people. Simply look thru NJDOT's pages for construction projects. A simply intersection modification can cost several million.
I base my estimates on what I see modeled in current STIPs, and in the case of rural freeways about $25 to $40 million per mile, and up to about $50 million if there is substantial bridgework.
Which, at about 20 miles, puts this project in the ballpark of $1 Billion. Also, in addition to the bridges over wetlands, there are several bridges over local roads. A few interchanges would be built, along with the mega interchange at the GSP. Exit 21 of Rt. 55 could service NJ 47 in that area, although ramps to and from Rt. 55 south would need to be built to complete the interchange.
Quote from: Beltway on October 03, 2018, 04:21:50 PM
In the case of NJ-55 it would obviously help to see a current preliminary design by NJDOT if one exists.
There's no current preliminary design. The last time NJDOT looked into this appears to be in the early 1990's, and it was so quickly eliminated that no cost estimate was ever developed or disclosed.
Quote from: Don'tKnowYet on October 03, 2018, 07:34:32 PM
The analogy of clockwork every two years made me chuckle. When we study it again looking for Federal funding, someone please emphasize that it is essential for the purposes of coastal evacuation. That may get the meter to every so slightly tick closer towards yes.
That's been brought up every time. However, NJDOT has never actually looked at this project for decades, so they're also not seeking federal funding. They are, ever so slowly, looking at making improvements to the existing network, and most of that is along the lines of better traffic lights, cameras and VMS signs without adding new capacity.[/quote]
Now here's some fun reading, which gets you a lot of detail to where we are today:
Here's a recent study NJDOT had commissioned regarding NJ 55, 47 & 347 in 2017: https://www.sjtpo.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Final_NJ_55-47-347_Purpose__Need_Statement_Summary_Report_4-3-17.pdf . Early in the report, it notes back in the early 1990's a full-fledged Route 55 was reviewed, and, as noted on PDF Page 6, "Following the issuance of the Route 55 Freeway Extension Feasibility Study, the State determined that a freeway extension would not be feasible due to existing environmental constraints along the route."
No cost estimate was provided. Again, this story was published in 1994. Things are even more strict today.
There's also https://capemaycountynj.gov/DocumentCenter/View/3204/Route-55-Freeway-Extension-Feasibility-Study-Gannet-Fleming-Inc-1993 . This appears to be the actual report cited above. PDF Page 9 shows a possible route of Rt. 55 (Marked Rt. 55E). Route 670 is mentioned several times; I believe that is now current day NJ 347 (also referred to as Alt 47 in some diagrams).
This is kinda significant: On PDF Page 38: "The Route 55 Freeway Extension alternative provides an additional four lanes of capacity in the corridor which results in an exceptional level of service; however, it would be largely underutilized, even on a summer weekend".
Ouch.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 04, 2018, 09:19:40 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 03, 2018, 04:21:50 PM
I base my estimates on what I see modeled in current STIPs, and in the case of rural freeways about $25 to $40 million per mile, and up to about $50 million if there is substantial bridgework.
Which, at about 20 miles, puts this project in the ballpark of $1 Billion. Also, in addition to the bridges over wetlands, there are several bridges over local roads. A few interchanges would be built, along with the mega interchange at the GSP. Exit 21 of Rt. 55 could service NJ 47 in that area, although ramps to and from Rt. 55 south would need to be built to complete the interchange.
For a 20 mile long rural freeway the bridgework on the balance would be fairly routine. Yes some wetlands bridges but no river crossing bridges.
So that would be in the $500 to $800 million range.
Quote from: Beltway on October 04, 2018, 02:43:57 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 04, 2018, 09:19:40 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 03, 2018, 04:21:50 PM
I base my estimates on what I see modeled in current STIPs, and in the case of rural freeways about $25 to $40 million per mile, and up to about $50 million if there is substantial bridgework.
Which, at about 20 miles, puts this project in the ballpark of $1 Billion. Also, in addition to the bridges over wetlands, there are several bridges over local roads. A few interchanges would be built, along with the mega interchange at the GSP. Exit 21 of Rt. 55 could service NJ 47 in that area, although ramps to and from Rt. 55 south would need to be built to complete the interchange.
For a 20 mile long rural freeway the bridgework on the balance would be fairly routine. Yes some wetlands bridges but no river crossing bridges.
So that would be in the $500 to $800 million range.
Virginia prices or New Jersey prices?
Remember, we have laws up here that state regardless if it's a union job or not, all workers must be paid union wages. That immediately drives up the price of all projects in this state.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 04, 2018, 09:21:58 AM
This is kinda significant: On PDF Page 38: "The Route 55 Freeway Extension alternative provides an additional four lanes of capacity in the corridor which results in an exceptional level of service; however, it would be largely underutilized, even on a summer weekend".
Ouch.
Errmm... that traffic projection was 25 years ago. VMT steadily increases and even when in small percentages it really adds up after that many years.
In 1993 the use of bridging over wetlands hadn't really come into vogue yet, so I would question the use of environmental analysis from back then when the standard practice was to utilize earthen fill across wetlands.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 04, 2018, 02:47:10 PM
Quote from: Beltway
For a 20 mile long rural freeway the bridgework on the balance would be fairly routine. Yes some wetlands bridges but no river crossing bridges. So that would be in the $500 to $800 million range.
Virginia prices or New Jersey prices?
Remember, we have laws up here that state regardless if it's a union job or not, all workers must be paid union wages. That immediately drives up the price of all projects in this state.
Here it would more trend toward the $25 million level. The $40 to $50 million per mile would include things such as places with high construction costs.
But unless NJDOT conducts a location/EIS study currently including cost estimates, it is still speculation.
Quote from: Beltway on October 04, 2018, 02:51:21 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 04, 2018, 09:21:58 AM
This is kinda significant: On PDF Page 38: "The Route 55 Freeway Extension alternative provides an additional four lanes of capacity in the corridor which results in an exceptional level of service; however, it would be largely underutilized, even on a summer weekend".
Ouch.
Errmm... that traffic projection was 25 years ago. VMT steadily increases and even when in small percentages it really adds up after that many years.
In 1993 the use of bridging over wetlands hadn't really come into vogue yet, so I would question the use of environmental analysis from back then when the standard practice was to utilize earthen fill across wetlands.
I would say the bridging was well into vogue by then, but I completely agree with VMT conclusions.
Would it be fair to say that the extension would be worth it if there was a bridge from Cape May south or when there is a hurricane?
Quote from: Alps on October 04, 2018, 04:58:21 PM
Quote from: Beltway on October 04, 2018, 02:51:21 PM
In 1993 the use of bridging over wetlands hadn't really come into vogue yet, so I would question the use of environmental analysis from back then when the standard practice was to utilize earthen fill across wetlands.
I would say the bridging was well into vogue by then, but I completely agree with VMT conclusions.
I was trying to think of examples of bridging over wetlands ... it has been more like around 2003 that I can think of some.
Quote from: seicer on October 04, 2018, 05:00:21 PM
Would it be fair to say that the extension would be worth it if there was a bridge from Cape May south or when there is a hurricane?
It's hard to predict the traffic patterns from a hypothetical bridge. If there were a hurricane ion the right (wrong?) place, certainly getting inland quicker and more capacity in general is always helpful. But such a hurricane is extremely unlikely. Even with Sandy none of the major mandatory evacuation areas (mostly barrier islands) would have been significantly helped by a completed NJ 55
I wasn't aware just how far back the official planning of this freeway began --
In the mid-1950s, the New Jersey State Highway Department proposed two expressway connections from the Walt Whitman Bridge to shore points in southern New Jersey. The first connection, between the bridge and Atlantic City, was constructed as the NJ 42 Freeway and the Atlantic City Expressway. The second connection, between the bridge and Cape May County, eventually became known as the NJ 55 Freeway.
Soon after its inception, the NJ 55 Freeway was planned as a toll road: the "Cape May Expressway." On January 16, 1962, Governor Robert Meyner signed the New Jersey Expressway Authority Act into law. The Expressway Authority was authorized to issue revenue bonds to construct, maintain and operate both the Atlantic City Expressway and the Cape May Expressway.
When construction began in 1965, the Expressway Authority ceded control over the Cape May Expressway (NJ 55 Freeway) to the New Jersey State Highway Department, which became the New Jersey Department of Transportation (NJDOT) soon thereafter. In its 1967 report New Jersey Highway Facts, the NJDOT described the purpose of the NJ 55 Freeway as follows:
The Route 55 Freeway will extend from US 9 in the vicinity of Cape May Court House, Cape May County to I-295 at Westville, Gloucester County. The route of this freeway was legislated in 1960.
http://www.phillyroads.com/roads/NJ-55/
Quote from: Beltway on October 04, 2018, 06:40:18 PM
The Route 55 Freeway will extend from US 9 in the vicinity of Cape May Court House, Cape May County to I-295 at Westville, Gloucester County. The route of this freeway was legislated in 1960.
http://www.phillyroads.com/roads/NJ-55/
I've read this before. I have never seen any hint of where Rt. 55 would've branched off from its current path, and headed towards US 130 (the actual statement shown below was written before I-295 existed, so it actually was going to terminate at US 130 in the Westville area). I'd love to see a projected alignment though. The originally proposed alignment had to change sometime in the 60's or 70's to go through Deptford instead.
BTW, here's the legislation: (27:6-1. State highway routes set forth) ROUTE NO. 55 . Beginning at a point in Route U.S. 130 in the vicinity of Westville in the county of Gloucester, thence in a general southeasterly direction passing west of Vineland in the county of Cumberland and east of Millville in the county of Cumberland to a point in Route U.S. 9 in the vicinity of Cape May Court House in the county of Cape May. The route shall traverse the counties of Gloucester, Salem, Cumberland and Cape May.(L.1964, c. 16, s. 1.)
For other good reads, go to https://lis.njleg.state.nj.us/nxt/gateway.dll?f=templates&fn=default.htm&vid=Publish:10.1048/Enu and type in "State highway routes set forth" in the search box. State Statute 27:6-1 should be one of the first few results, and it'll detail all the routes written into law.
Being I live in that general area, I look around and nearly the entire area had already been built up by then, highly spurred by the Ben Franklin and newer Walt Whitman Bridges. I can't think of anyplace it could've gone without knocking down entire neighborhoods, which was fairly common back then. It probably would've been no more than a mile or so from where I live now.
Quote from: bzakharin on October 04, 2018, 06:02:51 PM
Quote from: seicer on October 04, 2018, 05:00:21 PM
Would it be fair to say that the extension would be worth it if there was a bridge from Cape May south or when there is a hurricane?
It's hard to predict the traffic patterns from a hypothetical bridge. If there were a hurricane ion the right (wrong?) place, certainly getting inland quicker and more capacity in general is always helpful. But such a hurricane is extremely unlikely. Even with Sandy none of the major mandatory evacuation areas (mostly barrier islands) would have been significantly helped by a completed NJ 55
Hurricanes thrive on warmer waters. By the time they reach New Jersey, even the warmest waters are rarely about the mid-70's, and this along reduces the severity of many hurricanes. Also, hurricanes that approach this area have tended to do so in September and October. While the water tends to be warm in September, by the time October hits the temps have started to retreat. Sandy is an example, hitting October 29, well after most post-season events occur. As there are greatly fewer people in the shore area after Labor Day, the current routes appear to have sufficient capabilities to get people away from the shore during the most likely time they'll hit. Even if one were to approach in August, as we've seen in Florida and the Carolinas you need a good 3 days to evacuate people, even on highways.
It's also important to note just how far people will be evacuating. In Florida, people evacuated a few hundred miles. Up here, a few hundred miles puts you near well, Breezewood! Unless they evacuate the entire state, the evacuations won't be nearly as long or far as what is experienced further south.
Don't get me wrong - I would absolutely love an all-highway route to the shore, even if they need to complete Route 55 as a toll road. Not only is traffic getting heavier, but getting on a local roadway with a 50 mph speed limit, with the average traffic going 55 - 60, and getting stuck behind someone doing 45 is probably one of the biggest reasons why I hate roadtripping, or in this case going to the shore.
While it's true that some growth has occurred along the shore area, and a full highway to the southern Jersey shore would be substantially better than dumping traffic onto Rt. 47, the numbers (and the excuse of the coastal evacuation needs) just don't justify the data that's out there. And in the end, the engineers are going to rely on data, not scare tactics.
Quote from: Beltway on October 04, 2018, 06:40:18 PMhttp://www.phillyroads.com/roads/NJ-55/
It's interesting that the 1969 map displayed in the site's
Unbuilt NJ 55 Freeway section shows a proposed extension corridor
that nearby to what later became NJ 347 and a parallel route to NJ 83.
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 05, 2018, 08:48:11 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 04, 2018, 06:40:18 PMhttp://www.phillyroads.com/roads/NJ-55/
It's interesting that the 1969 map displayed in the site's Unbuilt NJ 55 Freeway section shows a proposed extension corridor that later became NJ 347 and a parallel route to NJ 83.
If you look carefully, proposed 55 is slightly to the east of where 347 actually is located (which was basically a county route that the state slapped their shields on.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 05, 2018, 08:58:46 AMIf you look carefully, proposed 55 is slightly to the east of where 347 actually is located (which was basically a county route that the state slapped their shields on.
Previous post edited/corrected to reflect such.
Regarding 347: if such is still a county route &
if 55 was ever extended; would the NJ 347 designation go away?
Bring on the NIMBYs...or the BANANAs, if you will. While the NJ 55 extension would be nice to see, I'm afraid that it will be shot down the same way as previous efforts. Then again, a toll road was built through the Everglades, so I guess anything is possible.
I recall that the Franklin map for Gloucester County (local Philly area map company) in the late 70s/early 80s used to show a couple of different proposed alignments for the northern section of 55, that was completed in the late 80s. I wish I could find one of those maps - if it's not gone completely it's probably boxed up somewhere in the basement, a refugee from the old map drawer I spent a lot of time with as a child. I think it might have shown one alignment closer to Westville/Woodbury (as referenced above) than the completed alignment. I do remember that it was unusual (for their maps) in that it showed the multiple alignments as single dashed lines (as opposed to the double dashes it showed for other proposed divided highways) and that it used the rectangular 'County route' box for the route number rather than the state highway circle shown for 55 on the completed section further south. As a side note, I recall the proposed alignment for the unbuilt US 322 freeway further south on their maps as well (when is someone going to resurrect that proposal again?)
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 05, 2018, 08:34:48 AM
Hurricanes thrive on warmer waters. By the time they reach New Jersey, even the warmest waters are rarely about the mid-70's, and this along reduces the severity of many hurricanes. Also, hurricanes that approach this area have tended to do so in September and October. While the water tends to be warm in September, by the time October hits the temps have started to retreat. Sandy is an example, hitting October 29, well after most post-season events occur. As there are greatly fewer people in the shore area after Labor Day, the current routes appear to have sufficient capabilities to get people away from the shore during the most likely time they'll hit. Even if one were to approach in August, as we've seen in Florida and the Carolinas you need a good 3 days to evacuate people, even on highways.
It's also important to note just how far people will be evacuating. In Florida, people evacuated a few hundred miles. Up here, a few hundred miles puts you near well, Breezewood! Unless they evacuate the entire state, the evacuations won't be nearly as long or far as what is experienced further south.
Don't get me wrong - I would absolutely love an all-highway route to the shore, even if they need to complete Route 55 as a toll road. Not only is traffic getting heavier, but getting on a local roadway with a 50 mph speed limit, with the average traffic going 55 - 60, and getting stuck behind someone doing 45 is probably one of the biggest reasons why I hate roadtripping, or in this case going to the shore.
While it's true that some growth has occurred along the shore area, and a full highway to the southern Jersey shore would be substantially better than dumping traffic onto Rt. 47, the numbers (and the excuse of the coastal evacuation needs) just don't justify the data that's out there. And in the end, the engineers are going to rely on data, not scare tactics.
While partially true, there have been category 3 hurricanes hitting New England in August. The Gulf Stream is warm enough that a storm in the right place can strengthen or maintain strength very close to the area. New Jersey is inland compare to the Carolinas to the south and Long Island / New England to the north. Hurricanes in this area that make landfall are usually moving in a Northeast direction, meaning they hit land from the southwest. This is not possible for New Jersey unless the storm already made landfall further south and re-emerged over water. That means it has already weakened considerably. Hurricane Sandy's track is highly unusual, and it is unlikely that there would be a repeat any time soon.
Quote from: Beltway on October 04, 2018, 02:51:21 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 04, 2018, 09:21:58 AM
This is kinda significant: On PDF Page 38: "The Route 55 Freeway Extension alternative provides an additional four lanes of capacity in the corridor which results in an exceptional level of service; however, it would be largely underutilized, even on a summer weekend".
Ouch.
Errmm... that traffic projection was 25 years ago. VMT steadily increases and even when in small percentages it really adds up after that many years.
In 1993 the use of bridging over wetlands hadn't really come into vogue yet, so I would question the use of environmental analysis from back then when the standard practice was to utilize earthen fill across wetlands.
The Madison, WI Beltline freeway (US 12/18) has such a bridge. It dates to the mid-late 1980s and crosses the Yahara Marsh between Monona Dr and South Towne Dr.
https://goo.gl/maps/vwvMGmrf2n12
Mike
Quote from: Roadrunner75 on October 05, 2018, 09:51:03 AM
I recall that the Franklin map for Gloucester County (local Philly area map company) in the late 70s/early 80s used to show a couple of different proposed alignments for the northern section of 55, that was completed in the late 80s. I wish I could find one of those maps - if it's not gone completely it's probably boxed up somewhere in the basement, a refugee from the old map drawer I spent a lot of time with as a child. I think it might have shown one alignment closer to Westville/Woodbury (as referenced above) than the completed alignment. I do remember that it was unusual (for their maps) in that it showed the multiple alignments as single dashed lines (as opposed to the double dashes it showed for other proposed divided highways) and that it used the rectangular 'County route' box for the route number rather than the state highway circle shown for 55 on the completed section further south. As a side note, I recall the proposed alignment for the unbuilt US 322 freeway further south on their maps as well (when is someone going to resurrect that proposal again?)
There is some significant talk about a 322 Bypass around Rowan University in Glassboro. The bypass won't have anything to do with the proposal you're referencing though, which was buried 6 feet in the ground. A 1 mile bypass around Mullica Hill was built several years ago, and this new one will go around the built-up university area. I haven't seen any proposed routes yet for it, although it almost definitely will be bypassing current 322 to the south.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 05, 2018, 08:58:46 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 05, 2018, 08:48:11 AM
Quote from: Beltway on October 04, 2018, 06:40:18 PMhttp://www.phillyroads.com/roads/NJ-55/
It's interesting that the 1969 map displayed in the site's Unbuilt NJ 55 Freeway section shows a proposed extension corridor that later became NJ 347 and a parallel route to NJ 83.
If you look carefully, proposed 55 is slightly to the east of where 347 actually is located (which was basically a county route that the state slapped their shields on.
There have been adjustments in the alignment over the years as the development of the highway has taken place, that would be to be expected. Anything from 1969 would be dated and for various reasons adjustments in the alignment would be likely.
But it is interesting that actual official decisions took place as far back as 1962 when the New Jersey Expressway Authority Act became law and an Expressway Authority was authorized to issue revenue bonds to construct, maintain and operate both the Atlantic City Expressway and the Cape May Expressway.
The Cape May Expressway being conceptually what a completed NJ 55 Freeway would be.
The Atlantic City Expressway was completed in the 1960s and the Cape May Expressway was 2/3 completed by the late 1980s.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 05, 2018, 10:50:09 AMQuote from: Roadrunner75 on October 05, 2018, 09:51:03 AMI recall that the Franklin map for Gloucester County (local Philly area map company) in the late 70s/early 80s used to show a couple of different proposed alignments for the northern section of 55, that was completed in the late 80s. I wish I could find one of those maps - if it's not gone completely it's probably boxed up somewhere in the basement, a refugee from the old map drawer I spent a lot of time with as a child. I think it might have shown one alignment closer to Westville/Woodbury (as referenced above) than the completed alignment. I do remember that it was unusual (for their maps) in that it showed the multiple alignments as single dashed lines (as opposed to the double dashes it showed for other proposed divided highways) and that it used the rectangular 'County route' box for the route number rather than the state highway circle shown for 55 on the completed section further south. As a side note, I recall the proposed alignment for the unbuilt US 322 freeway further south on their maps as well (when is someone going to resurrect that proposal again?)
There is some significant talk about a 322 Bypass around Rowan University in Glassboro. The bypass won't have anything to do with the proposal you're referencing though, which was buried 6 feet in the ground. A 1 mile bypass around Mullica Hill was built several years ago, and this new one will go around the built-up university area. I haven't seen any proposed routes yet for it, although it almost definitely will be bypassing current 322 to the south.
No, 322 NEEDS to be a widened highway all the way to 295. South Jersey infrastructure is the worst in the country trying to move anywhere. With this bypass, it will have easier access from the AC Expressway near exit 33, to PA and Del Memorial Bridge without going through these towns. NJDOT needs to get that ball rolling yesterday.
Speaking of yesterday, holy necropost, Batman!
I thought it was recent news. Talk about teasing.
The NJ 55 extension is long dead. Time to move on.
Pretty much any freeway in New Jersey is dead.
Route 18 in Wall and of course Route 55 south of its current end.