https://abc7news.com/sports/heres-what-the-as-have-planned-for-new-oakland-ballpark/4780369/
According to the article the proposed new stadium will be at the Howard Terminal area.
That must be a high tech stadium, able to talk to guests.
Same story as the last 14 Oakland stadium proposals, they just do not have the $$ and, neither does the government (SF's ballpark was paid for by the team).
I look for the A's to be in Montreal by the mid 20s. The current ballpark is long past it useful life.
Quote from: SP Cook on November 29, 2018, 09:23:39 AM
Same story as the last 14 Oakland stadium proposals, they just do not have the $$ and, neither does the government (SF's ballpark was paid for by the team).
I look for the A's to be in Montreal by the mid 20s. The current ballpark is long past it useful life.
I would hate to see the A's move to Montreal and they kill the "A's" name in favor of the Montreal Expos. There's so much history with that name, dating back to Connie Mack and the days in Philly, that I'd want the A's team name to survive.
The A's will probably move to Montreal but I don't know how to navigate the naming issue.
Quote from: SP Cook on November 29, 2018, 09:23:39 AM
Same story as the last 14 Oakland stadium proposals, they just do not have the $$ and, neither does the government (SF's ballpark was paid for by the team).
I look for the A's to be in Montreal by the mid 20s. The current ballpark is long past it useful life.
I think that one of those multi-purpose "concrete ashtray" stadiums should be preserved as a museum. Perhaps the Astrodome (I forget if it is still standing.) We have memorials for wars, why not a memorial for something almost as terrible?
Oakland Alameda was the worst stadium I recall seeing a ballgame at; and that was 30 years ago. I've been to a couple other stadiums of a similar age (Shea and Three Rivers.) I actually liked the latter and, once I adjusted to the noise of airplanes, Shea wasn't that bad, either. That might be due to my low expectations coming in. There's a flip side to this. After hearing the hype about Jacobs Field in Cleveland, I was disappointed when I visited it in '08.
That new ballpark looks a lot like Dodger Stadium, if it were built by the water.
I'm a little disappointed that the soon-to-be-former site of Oracle Arena wasn't considered, seeing that the Warriors will move back to San Francisco; it would be the most ideal location to build a new park. At the very least, there needs to be a sale of the team to an owner with deep pockets who is committed to keeping them in Oakland and will do whatever it takes to make this happen.
The A's and Rays may as well be contracted if neither team gets what it deserves most, and that's a new home to play in.
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 12:18:09 PM
I think that one of those multi-purpose "concrete ashtray" stadiums should be preserved as a museum. Perhaps the Astrodome (I forget if it is still standing.) We have memorials for wars, why not a memorial for something almost as terrible?
What a load of privilege.
Quote from: NE2 on November 29, 2018, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 12:18:09 PM
I think that one of those multi-purpose "concrete ashtray" stadiums should be preserved as a museum. Perhaps the Astrodome (I forget if it is still standing.) We have memorials for wars, why not a memorial for something almost as terrible?
What a load of privilege.
"Privilege" for what? Define it, please.
Quote from: Brandon on November 29, 2018, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 29, 2018, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 12:18:09 PM
I think that one of those multi-purpose "concrete ashtray" stadiums should be preserved as a museum. Perhaps the Astrodome (I forget if it is still standing.) We have memorials for wars, why not a memorial for something almost as terrible?
What a load of privilege.
"Privilege" for what? Define it, please.
I think "privilege" is one of the word filters in place for those who enable censorship on this site.
Quote from: Henry on November 29, 2018, 12:24:14 PM
I'm a little disappointed that the soon-to-be-former site of Oracle Arena wasn't considered, seeing that the Warriors will move back to San Francisco; it would be the most ideal location to build a new park.
The stadium and arena on that site have never done much to contribute to the economy of Oakland. People drive in from the suburbs, pull off 880 into the enormous parking lot, see their event and leave without spending any other money in the area. There has not been any commercial development tied to the stadium; the hotels along Hegenberger Road are tied more to Oakland Airport business. Nobody in any city builds stadiums surrounded by enormous parking lots any more. Ballparks can bring along businesses like bars and restaurants to bring life to previously derelict parts of town; that's exactly what happened when the other local ballclub moved from the similarly desolate Candlestick Park to the new place in a formerly rundown part of San Francisco.
Quote from: Alps on November 29, 2018, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 29, 2018, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 29, 2018, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 12:18:09 PM
I think that one of those multi-purpose "concrete ashtray" stadiums should be preserved as a museum. Perhaps the Astrodome (I forget if it is still standing.) We have memorials for wars, why not a memorial for something almost as terrible?
What a load of privilege.
"Privilege" for what? Define it, please.
I think "privilege" is one of the word filters in place for those who enable censorship on this site.
A mod? Those are the only ones I know who should censor anything here.
Quote from: Brandon on November 29, 2018, 02:37:41 PM
Quote from: Alps on November 29, 2018, 02:22:32 PM
Quote from: Brandon on November 29, 2018, 02:14:59 PM
Quote from: NE2 on November 29, 2018, 12:29:14 PM
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 12:18:09 PM
I think that one of those multi-purpose "concrete ashtray" stadiums should be preserved as a museum. Perhaps the Astrodome (I forget if it is still standing.) We have memorials for wars, why not a memorial for something almost as terrible?
What a load of privilege.
"Privilege" for what? Define it, please.
I think "privilege" is one of the word filters in place for those who enable censorship on this site.
A mod? Those are the only ones I know who should censor anything here.
There are a few automatic word filters, but as far as I can tell, this is not one of them.
I fell like I accidentally crossed a line here that regulars know about but isn't apparent to less devoted posters like me.
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 12:18:09 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on November 29, 2018, 09:23:39 AM
Same story as the last 14 Oakland stadium proposals, they just do not have the $$ and, neither does the government (SF's ballpark was paid for by the team).
I look for the A's to be in Montreal by the mid 20s. The current ballpark is long past it useful life.
I think that one of those multi-purpose "concrete ashtray" stadiums should be preserved as a museum. Perhaps the Astrodome (I forget if it is still standing.) We have memorials for wars, why not a memorial for something almost as terrible?
Oakland Alameda was the worst stadium I recall seeing a ballgame at; and that was 30 years ago. I've been to a couple other stadiums of a similar age (Shea and Three Rivers.) I actually liked the latter and, once I adjusted to the noise of airplanes, Shea wasn't that bad, either. That might be due to my low expectations coming in. There's a flip side to this. After hearing the hype about Jacobs Field in Cleveland, I was disappointed when I visited it in '08.
For baseball, the best multipurpose stadium I've been to was RFK. We sat in the upper deck and we could see everything. Fulton County Stadium was a pit, and I don't remember much about the old Busch Stadium (the round one that hosted the St. Louis Football and Baseball Cardinals).
I've never seen a football game at a multipurpose stadium.
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 08:12:46 PM
I fell like I accidentally crossed a line here that regulars know about but isn't apparent to less devoted posters like me.
I can't tell, either. And I'm a regular.
If they have to move, I'd rather see the A's go to like North Carolina or Tennessee. The Braves need to give up some of that disproportionately large market down there in those SEC states.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 30, 2018, 09:16:56 AM
If they have to move, I'd rather see the A's go to like North Carolina or Tennessee. The Braves need to give up some of that disproportionately large market down there in those SEC states.
Same here, the mid-south could use another MLB team.
Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 30, 2018, 09:16:56 AM
If they have to move, I'd rather see the A's go to like North Carolina or Tennessee. The Braves need to give up some of that disproportionately large market down there in those SEC states.
Charlotte would be great but they just recently opened their minor league stadium with great location and skyline view but it's been said time and time againntheir stadium cannot be expanded whichnkills mlb expansion their for the foreseeable future
Quote from: triplemultiplex on November 30, 2018, 09:16:56 AM
If they have to move, I'd rather see the A's go to like North Carolina or Tennessee. The Braves need to give up some of that disproportionately large market down there in those SEC states.
If the NBA, NFL, and NHL have managed to expand into both states, and MLB hasn't, I'm assuming there isn't a market for it.
Quote from: 1 on November 29, 2018, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 08:12:46 PM
I fell like I accidentally crossed a line here that regulars know about but isn't apparent to less devoted posters like me.
I can't tell, either. And I'm a regular.
We have a few boarders whose spittle-flecked rants it's best to ignore, NE2 being one of them.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 02, 2018, 06:46:55 AM
Quote from: 1 on November 29, 2018, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 08:12:46 PM
I fell like I accidentally crossed a line here that regulars know about but isn't apparent to less devoted posters like me.
I can't tell, either. And I'm a regular.
We have a few boarders whose spittle-flecked rants it's best to ignore, NE2 being one of them.
I'm not sure what he meant by privilege there either. But, that said, it's a terrible idea. What city would want to be the one that has to keep one of those multi purpose stadiums for no reason? There really isn't a baseball or football fan out there that honestly misses those places. In Philly, if anything, we miss the 700 level....which was practically a war zone during Eagles games.
Did the Vet really have its own criminal court to handle cases where attendees were arrested?
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 02, 2018, 06:46:55 AM
Quote from: 1 on November 29, 2018, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 08:12:46 PM
I fell like I accidentally crossed a line here that regulars know about but isn't apparent to less devoted posters like me.
I can't tell, either. And I'm a regular.
We have a few boarders whose spittle-flecked rants it's best to ignore, NE2 being one of them.
And you're another. No singling out people for attack.
Thanks. I sometimes have trouble letting this stuff roll off of my shoulders when I see it online. In person, I'm not the most adroit non-verbal communicator, but I can detect tone easier.
In this case, it's no big deal. It's a drive by comment. The ones that get me are the ones that escalate into a back and forth argument.
It took me a very, very long time to understand what "talks" meant in the thread title.
Quote from: Alps on December 02, 2018, 04:32:35 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 02, 2018, 06:46:55 AM
Quote from: 1 on November 29, 2018, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 08:12:46 PM
I fell like I accidentally crossed a line here that regulars know about but isn't apparent to less devoted posters like me.
I can't tell, either. And I'm a regular.
We have a few boarders whose spittle-flecked rants it's best to ignore, NE2 being one of them.
And you're another. No singling out people for attack.
Steve, pot, kettle, same color. You know he does political crap to irritate people. Ask you fellow mods.
Quote from: Brandon on December 02, 2018, 08:40:06 PMYou know he does political crap to irritate people.
And, well, singles people out for attack.
Quote from: Brandon on December 02, 2018, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 02, 2018, 04:32:35 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 02, 2018, 06:46:55 AM
Quote from: 1 on November 29, 2018, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 08:12:46 PM
I fell like I accidentally crossed a line here that regulars know about but isn't apparent to less devoted posters like me.
I can't tell, either. And I'm a regular.
We have a few boarders whose spittle-flecked rants it's best to ignore, NE2 being one of them.
And you're another. No singling out people for attack.
Steve, pot, kettle, same color. You know he does political crap to irritate people. Ask you fellow mods.
You know I can read your reports, right? Ass.
Quote from: Alps on December 02, 2018, 10:59:30 PM
Quote from: Brandon on December 02, 2018, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 02, 2018, 04:32:35 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 02, 2018, 06:46:55 AM
Quote from: 1 on November 29, 2018, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 08:12:46 PM
I fell like I accidentally crossed a line here that regulars know about but isn't apparent to less devoted posters like me.
I can't tell, either. And I'm a regular.
We have a few boarders whose spittle-flecked rants it's best to ignore, NE2 being one of them.
And you're another. No singling out people for attack.
Steve, pot, kettle, same color. You know he does political crap to irritate people. Ask you fellow mods.
You know I can read your reports, right? Ass.
Ok everyone please calm down now. We shouldn't have this thread locked over pettiness.
Quote from: kevinb1994 on December 03, 2018, 12:29:00 AM
Ok everyone please calm down now. We shouldn't have this thread locked over pettiness.
I wouldn't worry about it ;-)
jeff, I think you raise an issue, a good one, wrt maintaining one of these places. My remark wasn't completely serious.
Quote from: Alps on December 02, 2018, 10:59:30 PM
Quote from: Brandon on December 02, 2018, 08:40:06 PM
Quote from: Alps on December 02, 2018, 04:32:35 PM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 02, 2018, 06:46:55 AM
Quote from: 1 on November 29, 2018, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 08:12:46 PM
I fell like I accidentally crossed a line here that regulars know about but isn't apparent to less devoted posters like me.
I can't tell, either. And I'm a regular.
We have a few boarders whose spittle-flecked rants it's best to ignore, NE2 being one of them.
And you're another. No singling out people for attack.
Steve, pot, kettle, same color. You know he does political crap to irritate people. Ask you fellow mods.
You know I can read your reports, right? Ass.
Yes, I do. And stop being an ass. This isn't the first time you've used your status as a "mod" to act in this way, Steve.
Guys, this is on me. I failed to ignore a comment and let it get under my skin. If anyone should be yelled at or disciplined (banned, suspended, et cetera) it's me. I have a history of failing to live up to the norms here (posting in threads that are later locked, asking questions that have already been answered instead of looking them up, et cetera.) I should know better.
Had I ignored things, this thread would have not snowballed. Therefore, I am ultimately responsible and I apologize for the unpleasantness that has resulted.
I'll ask a question that I just asked at another online forum: What can I do to makes this a better place? Specifically for AARoads, where do my interests coincide with the forums interests and how can I provide the spark for more stimulating conversation?
Sorry about the meltdown earlier. I'm surprised I didn't at least get a warning for it. My main internet experience has been in a non-moderated forum, so I'm not sure when I cross lines. But I did a little research earlier and it appears that I'd be notified if I actually were in trouble.
Quote from: Brandon on December 03, 2018, 07:02:54 AM
Quote from: Alps on December 02, 2018, 10:59:30 PM
Quote from: Brandon on December 02, 2018, 08:40:06 PM
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Quote from: abefroman329 on December 02, 2018, 06:46:55 AM
Quote from: 1 on November 29, 2018, 10:25:41 PM
Quote from: jon daly on November 29, 2018, 08:12:46 PM
I fell like I accidentally crossed a line here that regulars know about but isn't apparent to less devoted posters like me.
I can't tell, either. And I'm a regular.
We have a few boarders whose spittle-flecked rants it's best to ignore, NE2 being one of them.
And you're another. No singling out people for attack.
Steve, pot, kettle, same color. You know he does political crap to irritate people. Ask you fellow mods.
You know I can read your reports, right? Ass.
Yes, I do. And stop being an ass. This isn't the first time you've used your status as a "mod" to act in this way, Steve.
To tell someone to stop singling people out? I didn't warn you. I don't abuse my power. I don't understand your vendetta against me but I guess I never had a friend I thought I did.
Quote from: jon daly on December 03, 2018, 12:49:42 PM
I'll ask a question that I just asked at another online forum: What can I do to makes this a better place? Specifically for AARoads, where do my interests coincide with the forums interests and how can I provide the spark for more stimulating conversation?
Try to contribute original content and ideas on threads. Try to post once instead of 4 times. ;) You've done nothing wrong. We reserve moderation for people who either don't listen or really cause trouble that affects forum operation.
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 02, 2018, 02:52:55 PM
Did the Vet really have its own criminal court to handle cases where attendees were arrested?
<sigh> Yes! This is true. (Though, for only half a season. You'll have to read the link for the entire story)
https://billypenn.com/2015/09/11/peeing-in-sinks-fights-in-the-stands-a-flare-gun-the-awful-antics-that-birthed-eagles-court-at-the-vet-and-why-it-went-away/
Quote from: Hot Rod Hootenanny on December 05, 2018, 11:13:49 AM
Quote from: abefroman329 on December 02, 2018, 02:52:55 PM
Did the Vet really have its own criminal court to handle cases where attendees were arrested?
<sigh> Yes! This is true. (Though, for only half a season. You'll have to read the link for the entire story)
https://billypenn.com/2015/09/11/peeing-in-sinks-fights-in-the-stands-a-flare-gun-the-awful-antics-that-birthed-eagles-court-at-the-vet-and-why-it-went-away/
That was an interesting read, thank you. Peeing in sinks was also popular at Lakewood Ampitheater in Atlanta, and I'm not really sure how that's illegal.
Quote from: The Nature Boy on November 29, 2018, 09:37:00 AM
Quote from: SP Cook on November 29, 2018, 09:23:39 AM
Same story as the last 14 Oakland stadium proposals, they just do not have the $$ and, neither does the government (SF's ballpark was paid for by the team).
I look for the A's to be in Montreal by the mid 20s. The current ballpark is long past it useful life.
I would hate to see the A's move to Montreal and they kill the "A's" name in favor of the Montreal Expos. There's so much history with that name, dating back to Connie Mack and the days in Philly, that I'd want the A's team name to survive.
The A's will probably move to Montreal but I don't know how to navigate the naming issue.
Baseball is never coming back to Montreal. If they move it would likely be either Nashville or Charlotte.
Nashville and Charlotte just build new AAA baseball stadiums. Both stadiums look nice but probably aren't the right size for a major league team. And I would imagine the citizens in both cities wouldn't want to build a new stadium right away.
Quote from: tdindy88 on December 16, 2018, 09:21:58 PM
Nashville and Charlotte just build new AAA baseball stadiums. Both stadiums look nice but probably aren't the right size for a major league team. And I would imagine the citizens in both cities wouldn't want to build a new stadium right away.
How about that MLB stadium and team proposal for Portland? Same with Las Vegas? Could the A's follow the Raiders to Vegas or head north to Portland?
If & when the Howard Terminal stadium site is actually developed, it would be over the objections of most of the tourist-oriented businesses (hotels, restaurants, harbor tours, etc.) located around Jack London Square, just SE of the site along the estuary. Even with a stadium scaled down to 34K seats, the traffic accommodations and parking requirements would be tremendous -- even if moderately distant and served by shuttles. And it's hard to see Amtrak or UP, whose highly trafficked joint track flanks the stadium site, supporting this proposal, which would likely require multiple overheads for both patrons and vendors; "sinking" the tracks below ground level wouldn't be feasible due to (a) the twin Alameda tubes and (b) the recently opened (2008) downtown Oakland rail terminal.
The political battle isn't over with this site selection -- it's just starting! Bay Area socioeconomic political skirmishes are always entertaining -- grab a drink, pull up a seat, and watch. Probably more entertaining than many baseball games!