Similar to my thread about bypasses that take longer, which bypass route saves the most time from the route it bypasses?
I-95, compared to US 1.
I-610 in New Orleans, especially when the Claiborne elevated portion of I-10 is taken down [emoji849]
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I-475 around Macon, Georgia
Is US-301 still considered a good bypass route to take around Baltimore and DC? I know that Delaware Route 896 to US-301 all the way to Richmond, Virginia almost totally bypasses Baltimore and DC so I'd think that'd almost be a better route than I-95.
US-23 (bypassing I-75) between Flint MI and Toledo OH.
I-295 northeast quadrant between I-64 east and I-95 north.
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 30, 2018, 11:35:39 PM
Is US-301 still considered a good bypass route to take around Baltimore and DC? I know that Delaware Route 896 to US-301 all the way to Richmond, Virginia almost totally bypasses Baltimore and DC so I'd think that'd almost be a better route than I-95.
Lots of traffic lights in the communities in MD on 301 south of US 50, especially Waldorf. That makes US 301 usually a lousy bypass around DC, not that I-95 is a great option either.
US 301 often works better as a Baltimore bypass, depending on traffic across the Chesapeake heading to or from the beaches. The new toll US 301 opening soon (probably in the next few days) in Delaware should make for smoother, though more expensive, travel.
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Is US-301 still considered a good bypass route to take around Baltimore and DC? I know that Delaware Route 896 to US-301 all the way to Richmond, Virginia almost totally bypasses Baltimore and DC so I'd think that'd almost be a better route than I-95.
Lots of traffic lights in the communities in MD on 301 south of US 50, especially Waldorf. That makes US 301 usually a lousy bypass around DC, not that I-95 is a great option either.
US 301 often works better as a Baltimore bypass, depending on traffic across the Chesapeake heading to or from the beaches.
That's what I was seeing. The extra milage on I-97 vs. taking SR-3 through Crofton I know saved a few minutes because of the lights. That merge with SR-5 at Brandywine seems like a bottleneck all the time too. I took the route a long time ago about 15 years ago I want to say and just wondered if it still made sense to use it. I liked the route in Delaware and eastern Maryland.
Reason I was wondering is because I have to take a car with a trailer on it from Allentown, PA to Orlando, FL next week and really would like to avoid Philly, Baltimore and DC if I can.
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Reason I was wondering is because I have to take a car with a trailer on it from Allentown, PA to Orlando, FL next week and really would like to avoid Philly, Baltimore and DC if I can.
When moving from Tampa to Philadelphia a couple of years ago in a 26-foot box truck with my car towed behind on a trailer, I took I-95 → I-26 → I-77 → I-81. Though more mileage, it wasn't a great deal more time, and I found it much less stressful and more truck-friendly than the I-95 alternative.
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Reason I was wondering is because I have to take a car with a trailer on it from Allentown, PA to Orlando, FL next week and really would like to avoid Philly, Baltimore and DC if I can.
When moving from Tampa to Philadelphia a couple of years ago in a 26-foot box truck with my car towed behind on a trailer, I took I-95 → I-26 → I-77 → I-81. Though more mileage, it wasn't a great deal more time, and I found it much less stressful and more truck-friendly than the I-95 alternative.
That was basically my plan was to avoid I-95 until at least Richmond. I'm wondering how (leaving from Allentown) taking I-78 to I-81 to I-77 to I-26 to I-95 to I-4 would be. I know that I would have to travel through Charlotte taking that route but I think traveling through Charlotte is going to be less stressful than traveling through the Philly-Baltimore-DC combo.
Quote from: Flint1979 on December 31, 2018, 12:47:27 AM
I would have to travel through Charlotte taking that route but I think traveling through Charlotte is going to be less stressful than traveling through the Philly-Baltimore-DC combo.
As I recall, I drove through Charlotte in the mid-evening hours (around 7-8 p.m.) and it was no big deal. Overall, I'm happy to have taken that route.
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I would have to travel through Charlotte taking that route but I think traveling through Charlotte is going to be less stressful than traveling through the Philly-Baltimore-DC combo.
As I recall, I drove through Charlotte in the mid-evening hours (around 7-8 p.m.) and it was no big deal. Overall, I'm happy to have taken that route.
I've been through Charlotte before but can't really recall how the traffic patterns are there. I think around the time you mentioned would be an alright time to hit Charlotte.
If you're at all concerned about Charlotte, use I-485 around the west side of the city unless you're after a clinch of I-77. There's a lot of messy HO/T lane construction near the interchange of I-77 and I-85 that may slow things down (it did yesterday morning) and may make it more difficult to follow your lane, etc., due to lane shifts. If you're towing a trailer, that work zone could make life miserable.
I suggest the western side of I-485 because it's a much shorter distance than the eastern side. I used it around the northwestern quadrant from I-85 back to I-85 heading north a few years ago and it was a good road, fairly empty and an easy drive. I'd suggest checking the NBA schedule to see whether the Hornets would be playing when you pass through if you plan on using I-77. The Panthers are done until next season.
This weekend, I-26 and I-77 were MUCH more pleasant than I-95. The latter had a lot of traffic and a lot of bad behavior (left-lane hogs, people tailgating in both lanes, aggressive cut-offs, etc.). It was especially annoying at night.
New Jersey Turnpike around Philadelphia as opposed to I-95 thru.
I-295 around Richmond as opposed to I-64 / I-95 thru.
I-664 around Norfolk as opposed to I-64 thru (really only beneficial for traffic going west of the Elizabeth River and good for keeping Outer Banks traffic off of I-64)
I-85 around Greensboro as opposed to I-85 Business thru.
I-40 around Winston-Salem as opposed to I-40 Business thru.
Florida's Turnpike as opposed to I-95 or I-75.
I-76 around Pittsburgh as opposed to I-376 / I-279 thru (does this even count??)
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New Jersey Turnpike around Philadelphia as opposed to I-95 thru.
I-295 around Richmond as opposed to I-64 / I-95 thru.
I-664 around Norfolk as opposed to I-64 thru (really only beneficial for traffic going west of the Elizabeth River and good for keeping Outer Banks traffic off of I-64)
I-85 around Greensboro as opposed to I-85 Business thru.
I-40 around Winston-Salem as opposed to I-40 Business thru.
Florida's Turnpike as opposed to I-95 or I-75.
I-76 around Pittsburgh as opposed to I-376 / I-279 thru (does this even count??)
The I-76 one isn't really a bypass, I-376 and I-279 is more like the bypass into Pittsburgh.
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New Jersey Turnpike around Philadelphia as opposed to I-95 thru.
I-295 around Richmond as opposed to I-64 / I-95 thru.
I-664 around Norfolk as opposed to I-64 thru (really only beneficial for traffic going west of the Elizabeth River and good for keeping Outer Banks traffic off of I-64)
I-85 around Greensboro as opposed to I-85 Business thru.
I-40 around Winston-Salem as opposed to I-40 Business thru.
Florida's Turnpike as opposed to I-95 or I-75.
I-76 around Pittsburgh as opposed to I-376 / I-279 thru (does this even count??)
The I-76 one isn't really a bypass, I-376 and I-279 is more like the bypass into Pittsburgh.
You mean, "more like the route into Pittsburgh?" I-76 does bypass Pittsburgh although that isn't what it's intended to do.
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bypass into
This seems like a contradiction in terms.
Yeah, I don't know what term to use. "Business Loop" sounds wrong.
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bypass into
This seems like a contradiction in terms.
Yeah, I don't know what term to use. "Business Loop" sounds wrong.
I guess you could also consider I-490 a "bypass into" Rochester. It bypasses 30 miles of complete snoozefest on the Thruway, anyways. :-D
The bypass around Kokomo, Indiana saves you 6 minutes (11 minutes on bypass) compared to the old routing of US 31 (17 minutes on old route)...
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New Jersey Turnpike around Philadelphia as opposed to I-95 thru.
I-295 around Richmond as opposed to I-64 / I-95 thru.
I-664 around Norfolk as opposed to I-64 thru (really only beneficial for traffic going west of the Elizabeth River and good for keeping Outer Banks traffic off of I-64)
I-85 around Greensboro as opposed to I-85 Business thru.
I-40 around Winston-Salem as opposed to I-40 Business thru.
Florida's Turnpike as opposed to I-95 or I-75.
I-76 around Pittsburgh as opposed to I-376 / I-279 thru (does this even count??)
The I-76 one isn't really a bypass, I-376 and I-279 is more like the bypass into Pittsburgh.
You mean, "more like the route into Pittsburgh?" I-76 does bypass Pittsburgh although that isn't what it's intended to do.
Not the intent of the I-76, but it does act as one. I-376 & I-279 can work to go through (I've driven it before - big mistake), but thru-traffic obviously stays on the turnpike (which sort of bypasses it, yet really is just a straight shot). Kind of how I-10 goes through New Orleans and I-12 takes the direct path.
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New Jersey Turnpike around Philadelphia as opposed to I-95 thru.
I-295 around Richmond as opposed to I-64 / I-95 thru.
I-664 around Norfolk as opposed to I-64 thru (really only beneficial for traffic going west of the Elizabeth River and good for keeping Outer Banks traffic off of I-64)
I-85 around Greensboro as opposed to I-85 Business thru.
I-40 around Winston-Salem as opposed to I-40 Business thru.
Florida's Turnpike as opposed to I-95 or I-75.
I-76 around Pittsburgh as opposed to I-376 / I-279 thru (does this even count??)
The I-76 one isn't really a bypass, I-376 and I-279 is more like the bypass into Pittsburgh.
You mean, "more like the route into Pittsburgh?" I-76 does bypass Pittsburgh although that isn't what it's intended to do.
Not the intent of the I-76, but it does act as one. I-376 & I-279 can work to go through (I've driven it before - big mistake), but thru-traffic obviously stays on the turnpike (which sort of bypasses it, yet really is just a straight shot). Kind of how I-10 goes through New Orleans and I-12 takes the direct path.
I-76 is on the Turnpike so I'm not sure if we can even say it acts as one. The Turnpike also bypasses Philly.
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New Jersey Turnpike around Philadelphia as opposed to I-95 thru.
I-295 around Richmond as opposed to I-64 / I-95 thru.
I-664 around Norfolk as opposed to I-64 thru (really only beneficial for traffic going west of the Elizabeth River and good for keeping Outer Banks traffic off of I-64)
I-85 around Greensboro as opposed to I-85 Business thru.
I-40 around Winston-Salem as opposed to I-40 Business thru.
Florida's Turnpike as opposed to I-95 or I-75.
I-76 around Pittsburgh as opposed to I-376 / I-279 thru (does this even count??)
The I-76 one isn't really a bypass, I-376 and I-279 is more like the bypass into Pittsburgh.
You mean, "more like the route into Pittsburgh?" I-76 does bypass Pittsburgh although that isn't what it's intended to do.
Not the intent of the I-76, but it does act as one. I-376 & I-279 can work to go through (I've driven it before - big mistake), but thru-traffic obviously stays on the turnpike (which sort of bypasses it, yet really is just a straight shot). Kind of how I-10 goes through New Orleans and I-12 takes the direct path.
I-76 is on the Turnpike so I'm not sure if we can even say it acts as one. The Turnpike also bypasses Philly.
Maybe not I-76 for that reason, but I'd say the New Jersey Turnpike bypassing Philadelphia is a "bypass". You have to exit I-95 which goes into Philadelphia then merge back with I-95 (which in reality merges into the turnpike, not the other way around).
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New Jersey Turnpike around Philadelphia as opposed to I-95 thru.
I-295 around Richmond as opposed to I-64 / I-95 thru.
I-664 around Norfolk as opposed to I-64 thru (really only beneficial for traffic going west of the Elizabeth River and good for keeping Outer Banks traffic off of I-64)
I-85 around Greensboro as opposed to I-85 Business thru.
I-40 around Winston-Salem as opposed to I-40 Business thru.
Florida's Turnpike as opposed to I-95 or I-75.
I-76 around Pittsburgh as opposed to I-376 / I-279 thru (does this even count??)
The I-76 one isn't really a bypass, I-376 and I-279 is more like the bypass into Pittsburgh.
You mean, "more like the route into Pittsburgh?" I-76 does bypass Pittsburgh although that isn't what it's intended to do.
Not the intent of the I-76, but it does act as one. I-376 & I-279 can work to go through (I've driven it before - big mistake), but thru-traffic obviously stays on the turnpike (which sort of bypasses it, yet really is just a straight shot). Kind of how I-10 goes through New Orleans and I-12 takes the direct path.
I-76 is on the Turnpike so I'm not sure if we can even say it acts as one. The Turnpike also bypasses Philly.
Maybe not I-76 for that reason, but I'd say the New Jersey Turnpike bypassing Philadelphia is a "bypass". You have to exit I-95 which goes into Philadelphia then merge back with I-95 (which in reality merges into the turnpike, not the other way around).
I thought that the turnpike was advertised as the through route?
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New Jersey Turnpike around Philadelphia as opposed to I-95 thru.
I-295 around Richmond as opposed to I-64 / I-95 thru.
I-664 around Norfolk as opposed to I-64 thru (really only beneficial for traffic going west of the Elizabeth River and good for keeping Outer Banks traffic off of I-64)
I-85 around Greensboro as opposed to I-85 Business thru.
I-40 around Winston-Salem as opposed to I-40 Business thru.
Florida's Turnpike as opposed to I-95 or I-75.
I-76 around Pittsburgh as opposed to I-376 / I-279 thru (does this even count??)
The I-76 one isn't really a bypass, I-376 and I-279 is more like the bypass into Pittsburgh.
You mean, "more like the route into Pittsburgh?" I-76 does bypass Pittsburgh although that isn't what it's intended to do.
Not the intent of the I-76, but it does act as one. I-376 & I-279 can work to go through (I've driven it before - big mistake), but thru-traffic obviously stays on the turnpike (which sort of bypasses it, yet really is just a straight shot). Kind of how I-10 goes through New Orleans and I-12 takes the direct path.
I-76 is on the Turnpike so I'm not sure if we can even say it acts as one. The Turnpike also bypasses Philly.
Maybe not I-76 for that reason, but I'd say the New Jersey Turnpike bypassing Philadelphia is a "bypass". You have to exit I-95 which goes into Philadelphia then merge back with I-95 (which in reality merges into the turnpike, not the other way around).
It might act as the same but I-295 is the bypass around Philly.
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New Jersey Turnpike around Philadelphia as opposed to I-95 thru.
I-295 around Richmond as opposed to I-64 / I-95 thru.
I-664 around Norfolk as opposed to I-64 thru (really only beneficial for traffic going west of the Elizabeth River and good for keeping Outer Banks traffic off of I-64)
I-85 around Greensboro as opposed to I-85 Business thru.
I-40 around Winston-Salem as opposed to I-40 Business thru.
Florida's Turnpike as opposed to I-95 or I-75.
I-76 around Pittsburgh as opposed to I-376 / I-279 thru (does this even count??)
The I-76 one isn't really a bypass, I-376 and I-279 is more like the bypass into Pittsburgh.
You mean, "more like the route into Pittsburgh?" I-76 does bypass Pittsburgh although that isn't what it's intended to do.
Not the intent of the I-76, but it does act as one. I-376 & I-279 can work to go through (I've driven it before - big mistake), but thru-traffic obviously stays on the turnpike (which sort of bypasses it, yet really is just a straight shot). Kind of how I-10 goes through New Orleans and I-12 takes the direct path.
I-76 is on the Turnpike so I'm not sure if we can even say it acts as one. The Turnpike also bypasses Philly.
Maybe not I-76 for that reason, but I'd say the New Jersey Turnpike bypassing Philadelphia is a "bypass". You have to exit I-95 which goes into Philadelphia then merge back with I-95 (which in reality merges into the turnpike, not the other way around).
It might act as the same but I-295 is the bypass around Philly.
I-295 is the suburb connecter and the shunpiking route. The Turnpike is the long distance route.
If we are talking pre bypass to post bypass: Newberg Dundee: turned a 30 minute trip down to 11. It is now 11:16 ratio.
Outherwise: McMinnville bypass, ratio 10:22 minutes for 10 miles.
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New Jersey Turnpike around Philadelphia as opposed to I-95 thru.
I-295 around Richmond as opposed to I-64 / I-95 thru.
I-664 around Norfolk as opposed to I-64 thru (really only beneficial for traffic going west of the Elizabeth River and good for keeping Outer Banks traffic off of I-64)
I-85 around Greensboro as opposed to I-85 Business thru.
I-40 around Winston-Salem as opposed to I-40 Business thru.
Florida's Turnpike as opposed to I-95 or I-75.
I-76 around Pittsburgh as opposed to I-376 / I-279 thru (does this even count??)
The I-76 one isn't really a bypass, I-376 and I-279 is more like the bypass into Pittsburgh.
You mean, "more like the route into Pittsburgh?" I-76 does bypass Pittsburgh although that isn't what it's intended to do.
Not the intent of the I-76, but it does act as one. I-376 & I-279 can work to go through (I've driven it before - big mistake), but thru-traffic obviously stays on the turnpike (which sort of bypasses it, yet really is just a straight shot). Kind of how I-10 goes through New Orleans and I-12 takes the direct path.
I-76 is on the Turnpike so I'm not sure if we can even say it acts as one. The Turnpike also bypasses Philly.
Maybe not I-76 for that reason, but I'd say the New Jersey Turnpike bypassing Philadelphia is a "bypass". You have to exit I-95 which goes into Philadelphia then merge back with I-95 (which in reality merges into the turnpike, not the other way around).
I thought that the turnpike was advertised as the through route?
The turnpike is the preferred through route for obvious reasons, but I-95 keeps the continuity. You have to exit off of I-95, hop on the bypass (the turnpike), then I-95 meets back way north of the city.
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New Jersey Turnpike around Philadelphia as opposed to I-95 thru.
I-295 around Richmond as opposed to I-64 / I-95 thru.
I-664 around Norfolk as opposed to I-64 thru (really only beneficial for traffic going west of the Elizabeth River and good for keeping Outer Banks traffic off of I-64)
I-85 around Greensboro as opposed to I-85 Business thru.
I-40 around Winston-Salem as opposed to I-40 Business thru.
Florida's Turnpike as opposed to I-95 or I-75.
I-76 around Pittsburgh as opposed to I-376 / I-279 thru (does this even count??)
The I-76 one isn't really a bypass, I-376 and I-279 is more like the bypass into Pittsburgh.
You mean, "more like the route into Pittsburgh?" I-76 does bypass Pittsburgh although that isn't what it's intended to do.
Not the intent of the I-76, but it does act as one. I-376 & I-279 can work to go through (I've driven it before - big mistake), but thru-traffic obviously stays on the turnpike (which sort of bypasses it, yet really is just a straight shot). Kind of how I-10 goes through New Orleans and I-12 takes the direct path.
I-76 is on the Turnpike so I'm not sure if we can even say it acts as one. The Turnpike also bypasses Philly.
Maybe not I-76 for that reason, but I'd say the New Jersey Turnpike bypassing Philadelphia is a "bypass". You have to exit I-95 which goes into Philadelphia then merge back with I-95 (which in reality merges into the turnpike, not the other way around).
It might act as the same but I-295 is the bypass around Philly.
I-295 is more of a local route with many exits, where as the turnpike is very limited on access-points. I've always found it weird why both I-295 and the turnpike exist, paralleling each other, though it's not a bad thing, especially for local traffic.
Even with traffic, I'd probably say I-294 in IL which will only get better once they completely rebuild it over the next 6ish years
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New Jersey Turnpike around Philadelphia as opposed to I-95 thru.
I-295 around Richmond as opposed to I-64 / I-95 thru.
I-664 around Norfolk as opposed to I-64 thru (really only beneficial for traffic going west of the Elizabeth River and good for keeping Outer Banks traffic off of I-64)
I-85 around Greensboro as opposed to I-85 Business thru.
I-40 around Winston-Salem as opposed to I-40 Business thru.
Florida's Turnpike as opposed to I-95 or I-75.
I-76 around Pittsburgh as opposed to I-376 / I-279 thru (does this even count??)
The I-76 one isn't really a bypass, I-376 and I-279 is more like the bypass into Pittsburgh.
You mean, "more like the route into Pittsburgh?" I-76 does bypass Pittsburgh although that isn't what it's intended to do.
Not the intent of the I-76, but it does act as one. I-376 & I-279 can work to go through (I've driven it before - big mistake), but thru-traffic obviously stays on the turnpike (which sort of bypasses it, yet really is just a straight shot). Kind of how I-10 goes through New Orleans and I-12 takes the direct path.
I-76 is on the Turnpike so I'm not sure if we can even say it acts as one. The Turnpike also bypasses Philly.
Maybe not I-76 for that reason, but I'd say the New Jersey Turnpike bypassing Philadelphia is a "bypass". You have to exit I-95 which goes into Philadelphia then merge back with I-95 (which in reality merges into the turnpike, not the other way around).
I thought that the turnpike was advertised as the through route?
The turnpike is the preferred through route for obvious reasons, but I-95 keeps the continuity. You have to exit off of I-95, hop on the bypass (the turnpike), then I-95 meets back way north of the city.
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New Jersey Turnpike around Philadelphia as opposed to I-95 thru.
I-295 around Richmond as opposed to I-64 / I-95 thru.
I-664 around Norfolk as opposed to I-64 thru (really only beneficial for traffic going west of the Elizabeth River and good for keeping Outer Banks traffic off of I-64)
I-85 around Greensboro as opposed to I-85 Business thru.
I-40 around Winston-Salem as opposed to I-40 Business thru.
Florida's Turnpike as opposed to I-95 or I-75.
I-76 around Pittsburgh as opposed to I-376 / I-279 thru (does this even count??)
The I-76 one isn't really a bypass, I-376 and I-279 is more like the bypass into Pittsburgh.
You mean, "more like the route into Pittsburgh?" I-76 does bypass Pittsburgh although that isn't what it's intended to do.
Not the intent of the I-76, but it does act as one. I-376 & I-279 can work to go through (I've driven it before - big mistake), but thru-traffic obviously stays on the turnpike (which sort of bypasses it, yet really is just a straight shot). Kind of how I-10 goes through New Orleans and I-12 takes the direct path.
I-76 is on the Turnpike so I'm not sure if we can even say it acts as one. The Turnpike also bypasses Philly.
Maybe not I-76 for that reason, but I'd say the New Jersey Turnpike bypassing Philadelphia is a "bypass". You have to exit I-95 which goes into Philadelphia then merge back with I-95 (which in reality merges into the turnpike, not the other way around).
It might act as the same but I-295 is the bypass around Philly.
I-295 is more of a local route with many exits, where as the turnpike is very limited on access-points. I've always found it weird why both I-295 and the turnpike exist, paralleling each other, though it's not a bad thing, especially for local traffic.
I don't think that the NJ Turnpike was built to be a bypass of Philly but rather as a route through New Jersey. It goes all the way to the GWB. Now I-295 was built to be a bypass around Philly. At least that's how I see it. It's the highway that connects to I-95 on both ends since the NJ Turnpike doesn't enter Delaware for obvious reasons. Myself I think I'd take the NJ Turnpike since I think that'd be the fastest route to bypass Philly.
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I don't think that the NJ Turnpike was built to be a bypass of Philly but rather as a route through New Jersey. It goes all the way to the GWB.
Not by itself, because the NJTPA couldn't build the connection into Delaware. That required an interstate compact between the two states to build the bridge that in conjunction with the turnpike provided a clear bypass of Philadelphia and SE PA.
Quote from: Flint1979 on January 04, 2019, 01:55:32 PM
Now I-295 was built to be a bypass around Philly. At least that's how I see it. It's the highway that connects to I-95 on both ends since the NJ Turnpike doesn't enter Delaware for obvious reasons. Myself I think I'd take the NJ Turnpike since I think that'd be the fastest route to bypass Philly.
I-295 took advantage of the Delaware River bridge that had already been built. If the I-95 Somerset Freeway had been built then I-295 would have been a directly connecting Interstate bypass of Philadelphia and SE PA.
I-295 is also a local service freeway that supplements the turnpike which has very widely spaced interchanges.
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Quote from: Flint1979 on December 30, 2018, 11:35:39 PM
Is US-301 still considered a good bypass route to take around Baltimore and DC? I know that Delaware Route 896 to US-301 all the way to Richmond, Virginia almost totally bypasses Baltimore and DC so I'd think that'd almost be a better route than I-95.
Lots of traffic lights in the communities in MD on 301 south of US 50, especially Waldorf. That makes US 301 usually a lousy bypass around DC, not that I-95 is a great option either.
US 301 often works better as a Baltimore bypass, depending on traffic across the Chesapeake heading to or from the beaches. The new toll US 301 opening soon (probably in the next few days) in Delaware should make for smoother, though more expensive, travel.
I've used 95/495 around the east side of DC then 50E to the CBB.
Not sure of the mileage dif but 50E is limited access all the way across CBB then 301N is very rural. When I drove a 18 wheeler it was my go to route to the northeast.
The current I-80 around the north side of Sacramento, CA (former original I-880) saves a considerable amount of time compared with the pre-1982 route through town (the erstwhile misapplied Business Loop 80), featuring a slow (35 mph) ramp within the Oak Park turbine-type interchange where old I-80 made a right-angle alignment change. Regardless of the fact that the process whereby I-80 was relocated to the bypass has fomented numerous oddities, it did produce a singularly-signed efficient (except during commute hours, of course) cross-state corridor.
Interstate 74 around Danville, Illinois can be a major time saver, as there's an at-grade rail crossing near a grain mill on US-136 in downtown Danville where trains often move very slowly through the crossing.
I remember when the Cadillac (Michigan) bypass opened and one of the local TV stations had one reporter drive the bypass while the other reporter drove the old route through town. The person driving the bypass made it around Cadillac in about 10 minutes while the person going through Cadillac took almost a half hour to complete their journey
I'm wearing a cup to protect my nads while I say this ... but I-840 south of Nashville has cut my trips coming from the west to points south of Murfreesboro by at least 40 minutes, maybe more.
Quote from: Road Hog on January 11, 2019, 06:38:37 PM
I-840 south of Nashville has cut my trips coming from the west to points south of Murfreesboro by at least 40 minutes, maybe more.
Yeah, I-840 saves a lot of time on a good variety of trips... it just so happens that none of those trips are from one large metro to another. So it doesn't look like a good long distance bypass on paper, but it actually is when you factor in smaller cities and towns as origins/destinations.
Quote from: 1 on December 30, 2018, 10:00:10 PM
I-95, compared to US 1.
I-5 compared to CASR-1? or US-101? Quite realistically I-5 compared to CASR-99. From the split in Northern Sacramento County to the merge Kern County, I-5 saves at least half an hour. Note that the I-5 routing is only shorter by about 4 miles.
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I would have to travel through Charlotte taking that route but I think traveling through Charlotte is going to be less stressful than traveling through the Philly-Baltimore-DC combo.
As I recall, I drove through Charlotte in the mid-evening hours (around 7-8 p.m.) and it was no big deal. Overall, I'm happy to have taken that route.
I've been through Charlotte before but can't really recall how the traffic patterns are there. I think around the time you mentioned would be an alright time to hit Charlotte.
And it's not just the traffic around the cities, 95 between DC and Richmond, especially in the area where the express lanes end is to be avoided as well. Charlotte is a cake walk compared to 95.
I-295 instead of I-95 through Providence, really helps if you're coming from 146 and want to head towards TF Green or Route 4