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Title: Flashing red ball at a grade crossing?
Post by: RobbieL2415 on January 28, 2019, 09:47:52 PM
Just came across this video of an Amtrak train rolling through a grade crossing in Windsor Locks, CT.  A fairly normal occurrence.  The crossing is to the right of the intersection.  Everything seems in order except for what happens starting at 0:41.

https://youtu.be/eE1GXsxs69g?t=41 (https://youtu.be/eE1GXsxs69g?t=41)

Is it normal for this to happen at grade crossings adjacent to an intersection?

For reference, the light at this intersection is single-direction permissive phases across (from the perspective of the video), one protected phase oncoming, then a bi-directional permissive phase.  Also, there is no left turn heading northbound (forward).
Title: Re: Flashing red ball at a grade crossing?
Post by: Ace10 on January 29, 2019, 03:15:14 AM
Since the signal for the right turn lane uses circular signals, not arrows, it's counter-intuitive and probably against MUTCD to show a red ball for right-turns and a green ball for straight-through traffic and have both signals viewable at the same time. The flashing ball for through traffic is probably the only way around that without having to change the right-turn signal to use arrows. Definitely an unusual setup and not one I've ever seen before, but that's my best explanation.
Title: Re: Flashing red ball at a grade crossing?
Post by: lepidopteran on January 29, 2019, 10:33:10 AM
I've seen this a lot.  In Toledo, OH, at the intersection of Kenwood Blvd. and Douglas, the traffic signal there went into all-red flash whenever the adjacent RR signals were activated.  This section of track was ripped out in 2010, but a gravel path and pave-over is present.  The grade crossing at Central Ave. north of there did the same thing.
https://goo.gl/maps/ggkHu9uPzPu (https://goo.gl/maps/ggkHu9uPzPu)
This was the former Toledo Terminal switching line, which literally made a complete loop around the city until 1982, when the Maumee River bridge just north of the Ohio Turnpike was damaged in a derailment.  The bridge is currently being demolished.

The traffic signal still has a single stanchion east of the tracks so people waiting for a train to pass can see it.  From what I remember, it flashed red as well, but I would expect that it turned solid red beforehand to clear the crossing.  Note how the mast arms, which are unchanged since 1974 at the latest, essentially "simulate" a diagonal span-wire.
Title: Re: Flashing red ball at a grade crossing?
Post by: jamess on January 29, 2019, 11:41:48 AM
In downtown Fresno, all the signals near the rail line go to flashing red in all directions when a freight train goes by. As the trains can take 5+ minutes to clear the crossing, the entire area would get backed up if they used standard timings
Title: Re: Flashing red ball at a grade crossing?
Post by: 6a on January 29, 2019, 05:23:18 PM
This is a fairly common occurrence here in Columbus. Not quite the same setup (only one flashing), however. Usually it's all the way around the intersection.
Title: Re: Flashing red ball at a grade crossing?
Post by: SectorZ on February 03, 2019, 04:43:29 PM
So with the flashing red you could proceed straight after yielding (though everyone else has a red anyways). Yet the van driver just, well, does nothing?
Title: Re: Flashing red ball at a grade crossing?
Post by: Amtrakprod on February 03, 2019, 07:44:19 PM
Quote from: SectorZ on February 03, 2019, 04:43:29 PM
So with the flashing red you could proceed straight after yielding (though everyone else has a red anyways). Yet the van driver just, well, does nothing?
I do not understand why they couldn't have it work like this: