Inside cloverleaves are my favorite.
https://www.historicaerials.com/location/42.26476510723859/-83.27083110809326/1973/16
https://goo.gl/maps/R4BnqJBo4rC2
Any others?
Self-identified involuntary cloverleaves can fuck right off.
Quote from: Alps on March 08, 2019, 10:19:20 PM
Inside cloverleaves are my favorite.
https://www.historicaerials.com/location/42.26476510723859/-83.27083110809326/1973/16
https://goo.gl/maps/R4BnqJBo4rC2
Any others?
A reasonably close contender in your beloved state of NJ: NJ 90 East to US 130 South: https://goo.gl/maps/GmtGvJE4LVy . although unlike your example, not within the confines of the same highway but rather between two nearly parallel roadways here.
Also, the left-to-left ramp from 141 North to 95 North.
Quote from: NE2 on March 09, 2019, 09:00:16 AMSelf-identified involuntary cloverleaves can fuck right off.
Dude ... :confused:
Quote from: NE2 on March 09, 2019, 09:00:16 AM
Self-identified involuntary cloverleaves can fuck right off.
Please, if you're drunk, don't post.
I-77 & I-85 interchange in Charlotte is worth a mention. But I think the interchange is being reconstructed now:
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2728793,-80.8460648,864m/data=!3m1!1e3
This interchange in Borger, Tx also has inside cloverleafs:
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.661295,-101.3987013,359m/data=!3m1!1e3
Quote from: NE2 on March 09, 2019, 09:00:16 AM
Self-identified involuntary cloverleaves can fuck right off.
Why do you care?
Quote from: NE2 on March 09, 2019, 09:00:16 AM
Self-identified involuntary cloverleaves can fuck right off.
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who got this joke.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on March 11, 2019, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 09, 2019, 09:00:16 AM
Self-identified involuntary cloverleaves can fuck right off.
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who got this joke.
You're not alone.
I expected to see something like the US 202 NB to I-95/295 NB ramp: https://goo.gl/maps/bExvMtuyKEJ2
Four of those could be part of a strange "inclo" where all the ramps are inside the square. No weaving, but all left exits.
(Maybe NE2's talking about a redpill cloverleaf with a fedora...)
Quote from: paulthemapguy on March 11, 2019, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 09, 2019, 09:00:16 AM
Self-identified involuntary cloverleaves can fuck right off.
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who got this joke.
If there was a non-obvious way to interpret it, you will have to fill us in.
These examples remind me of the US 7/VT 279 "fused trumpet" interchange in Bennington, Vermont.
https://goo.gl/maps/33GgLcq44972
Quote from: webny99 on March 11, 2019, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on March 11, 2019, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 09, 2019, 09:00:16 AM
Self-identified involuntary cloverleaves can fuck right off.
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who got this joke.
If there was a non-obvious way to interpret it, you will have to fill us in.
It's a wordplay on the so-called "incel" (involuntary celibate) movement. I'll leave out the political commentary.
Carr. Federal 15-D @ Carr. Estatal 1-D
Culiacán, Sinaloa, México
https://goo.gl/maps/58hSmFb3WhK2 (https://goo.gl/maps/58hSmFb3WhK2)
N4 and M50 near Dublin qualifies, doesn't it?
Quote from: tradephoric on March 11, 2019, 07:54:20 AM
I-77 & I-85 interchange in Charlotte is worth a mention. But I think the interchange is being reconstructed now:
https://www.google.com/maps/@35.2728793,-80.8460648,864m/data=!3m1!1e3
All of Charlotte wishes it were being reconstructed to get rid of those stupid crossovers and left entrances. But no, they're only augmenting this cluster to add in the HOT lanes. Same deal with the 77/277 interchange a couple of miles south of there. All that the private HOT lane operator is doing is augmenting what is already there by adding extravagant flyovers for the HOT lanes, and doing nothing to what is preexisting.
As for Alps' Myrtle Beach example, it's crap. SC 31 mainline has a reduction in the legal speed limit from either 70 or 65 down to 55 or 50 just to swing around these unnecessary inner movements. Creates a speed trap that I'm sure LEOs have exploited.
I mean, this is a flat coastal plain, and they could have built anything. Why this?
I'd expect an "inclo" to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:
EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
Quote from: SSR_317 on March 11, 2019, 02:22:59 PM
Quote from: webny99 on March 11, 2019, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: paulthemapguy on March 11, 2019, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: NE2 on March 09, 2019, 09:00:16 AM
Self-identified involuntary cloverleaves can fuck right off.
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one who got this joke.
If there was a non-obvious way to interpret it, you will have to fill us in.
It's a wordplay on the so-called "incel" (involuntary celibate) movement. I'll leave out the political commentary.
LOL what a joke movement.
I trust the parkway (Rte 31) used in the example at the top of the thread was supposed to extend south to US-17? What killed the rest of it?
Quote from: DJ Particle on March 13, 2019, 02:15:52 AM
I trust the parkway (Rte 31) used in the example at the top of the thread was supposed to extend south to US-17? What killed the rest of it?
I don't think it's dead, just delayed due to funding. It has been built with full shoulders and seemingly to interstate standards (except maybe for this stupid interchange). Will probably become some sort of spur for I-73, or will actually become I-74, or maybe I-101. Either way it'll only need a signage change to make it official.
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo" to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:
EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
It's a feature, not a bug...
Quote from: CrystalWalrein on March 11, 2019, 05:46:48 PMN4 and M50 near Dublin qualifies, doesn't it?
Not sure - seems half in, half-out (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3568059,-6.3838912,697m/data=!3m1!1e3).
Though if it does, the next junction to the south (https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.3186134,-6.3675859,568m/data=!3m1!1e3) (N7/M50) does too.
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo" to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:
EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
i wanna see it anyway
Quote from: X99 on March 18, 2019, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo" to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:
EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
i wanna see it anyway
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7821/46438541555_a09e4cf2f8_c.jpg)
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7811/32477270297_89d65909f1_z.jpg)
Quote from: briantroutman on March 18, 2019, 10:58:03 AM
Quote from: X99 on March 18, 2019, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo" to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:
EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
i wanna see it anyway
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7821/46438541555_a09e4cf2f8_c.jpg)
Yeah, that'd kill people ...
Quote from: renegade on March 19, 2019, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 18, 2019, 10:58:03 AM
Quote from: X99 on March 18, 2019, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo" to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:
EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
i wanna see it anyway
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7821/46438541555_a09e4cf2f8_c.jpg)
Yeah, that'd kill people ...
That's basically a double grade-separated diverging diamond interchange. Traffic isn't exiting head-on into other traffic; it all lines up perfectly. I'm sure China would make one if you sent them the design.
Quote from: X99 on March 19, 2019, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: renegade on March 19, 2019, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 18, 2019, 10:58:03 AM
Quote from: X99 on March 18, 2019, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo" to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:
EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
i wanna see it anyway
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7821/46438541555_a09e4cf2f8_c.jpg)
Yeah, that'd kill people ...
That's basically a double grade-separated diverging diamond interchange. Traffic isn't exiting head-on into other traffic; it all lines up perfectly. I'm sure China would make one if you sent them the design.
The four inside loops could be replaced with short straight ramps on the outside.
The four U-turn ramps could also be replaced with much longer ramps, and they should – try entering from the south and exiting to the east without getting killed.
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo" to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:
EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
Early Mapquest directions on the Coquihalla Highway in BC told me to take a sharp turn off the end of a cloverleaf and onto oncoming traffic.
Quote from: 1 on March 19, 2019, 10:16:01 PM
The four inside loops could be replaced with short straight ramps on the outside.
that kinda ruins the whole "inclo" idea if you take out the cloverleafs
Quote from: X99 on March 19, 2019, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: renegade on March 19, 2019, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 18, 2019, 10:58:03 AM
Quote from: X99 on March 18, 2019, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo" to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:
EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
i wanna see it anyway
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7821/46438541555_a09e4cf2f8_c.jpg)
Yeah, that'd kill people ...
That's basically a double grade-separated diverging diamond interchange. Traffic isn't exiting head-on into other traffic; it all lines up perfectly. I'm sure China would make one if you sent them the design.
Taking any of the eight outer ramps will put you on a perpendicular road going the wrong direction. Those aren't U-turns.
Quote from: skluth on March 21, 2019, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: X99 on March 19, 2019, 08:18:30 PM
Quote from: renegade on March 19, 2019, 12:38:06 PM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 18, 2019, 10:58:03 AM
Quote from: X99 on March 18, 2019, 10:24:41 AM
Quote from: briantroutman on March 11, 2019, 06:38:24 PM
I'd expect an "inclo" to look something like this (admittedly pointless, inefficient, unsafe, and ridiculously expensive) design:
EDIT: Just realized my two-minute design sketch had traffic exiting head-on into other traffic.
i wanna see it anyway
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7821/46438541555_a09e4cf2f8_c.jpg)
Yeah, that'd kill people ...
That's basically a double grade-separated diverging diamond interchange. Traffic isn't exiting head-on into other traffic; it all lines up perfectly. I'm sure China would make one if you sent them the design.
Taking any of the eight outer ramps will put you on a perpendicular road going the wrong direction. Those aren't U-turns.
To clarify, I wasn't seeing that the outside ramps had a connection to the perpendicular highway, I thought they were just U-turn ramps.
Here's my two-minute sketch of what I thought an inclo would look like. Not as good as briantroutman's, but I don't have that kind of editing software. One disadvantage: left exits.
(https://i.imgur.com/t9hJxlT.png)
i made an imgur for this
Quote from: X99 on March 21, 2019, 10:17:09 PM
Here's my two-minute sketch of what I thought an inclo would look like. Not as good as briantroutman's, but I don't have that kind of editing software. One disadvantage: left exits.
(https://i.imgur.com/t9hJxlT.png)
Advantage: no weaving.
Also: the diagonal ramps are superfluous -- the loops take care of those movements. However, outside loops can handle the missing movements, giving you an 8-loop cloverleaf. C/D roads on the outside can mitigate weaving.
A solution with all ramps inside the square is left to the student.
Quote from: kurumi on March 22, 2019, 12:39:51 AM
Quote from: X99 on March 21, 2019, 10:17:09 PM
Here's my two-minute sketch of what I thought an inclo would look like. Not as good as briantroutman's, but I don't have that kind of editing software. One disadvantage: left exits.
(https://i.imgur.com/t9hJxlT.png)
Advantage: no weaving.
Also: the diagonal ramps are superfluous -- the loops take care of those movements.
That's because half the movements are missing. For example, there's no path to go north-to-west.
Quote from: kurumi on March 22, 2019, 12:39:51 AM
A solution with all ramps inside the square is left to the student.
Well, it requires a lot of carriageway spread, but...
(https://i.imgur.com/4pU9waI.png)
Quote from: Duke87 on March 22, 2019, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: kurumi on March 22, 2019, 12:39:51 AM
A solution with all ramps inside the square is left to the student.
Well, it requires a lot of carriageway spread, but...
(https://i.imgur.com/4pU9waI.png)
I have a feeling that would take up more space than a regular cloverleaf.
Quote from: MantyMadTown on March 22, 2019, 08:35:37 PM
Quote from: Duke87 on March 22, 2019, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: kurumi on March 22, 2019, 12:39:51 AM
A solution with all ramps inside the square is left to the student.
Well, it requires a lot of carriageway spread, but...
(https://i.imgur.com/4pU9waI.png)
I have a feeling that would take up more space than a regular cloverleaf.
Still less acreage than some of tradephoric's designs. :popcorn:
Quote from: kphoger on March 22, 2019, 01:30:55 PM
Quote from: kurumi on March 22, 2019, 12:39:51 AM
Quote from: X99 on March 21, 2019, 10:17:09 PM
Here's my two-minute sketch of what I thought an inclo would look like. Not as good as briantroutman's, but I don't have that kind of editing software. One disadvantage: left exits.
(https://i.imgur.com/t9hJxlT.png)
Advantage: no weaving.
Also: the diagonal ramps are superfluous -- the loops take care of those movements.
That's because half the movements are missing. For example, there's no path to go north-to-west.
(https://i.imgur.com/9XQeR2T.png)
I fixed it- sort of. I didn't have access to my original drawing, so I did this in Paint. My point was to extend the outside ramps as flyovers to the missing movement (example: NB-to-EB diagonal ramp is now a flyover going to WB)
Still no weaving, unless some idiot took a wrong turn.
Bumping the thread because
(https://i.imgur.com/iVWJ4k4.png)
I found one.
This is the interchange of the A4 and A50 northwest of Milan, Italy. The real-life version is contorted and hard to follow (and has a tollbooth in the middle of it), so this image comes from Euro Truck Simulator 2's ProMods map mod.
I found it:
(https://i.imgur.com/jAsfbqu.png)
(45.512256, 9.061581)