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Title: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: kphoger on April 15, 2019, 04:45:38 PM
Have you ever seen this?

For example, there's this Yield sign (https://goo.gl/maps/aYR1u9kWRxC2) on US-281 in Hardtner, KS.  It seems to only apply to traffic going straight or turning right, unless I'm interpreting things incorrectly.  Oncoming traffic and traffic from the left have Stop signs, traffic from the right has nothing.
Title: Re: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: NoGoodNamesAvailable on April 15, 2019, 05:20:02 PM
Definitely not MUTCD compliant, and I see no reason for this sort of control at this intersection.

QuoteSection 2B.04 Right-of-Way at Intersections
. . .
11 Except as provided in Section 2B.09, STOP signs and YIELD signs shall not be installed on different approaches to the same unsignalized intersection if those approaches conflict with or oppose each other.
Title: Re: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: US 89 on April 15, 2019, 06:15:06 PM
Also, if you look at the beacons above the intersection, there are flashing yellow beacons on two conflicting movements: traffic going straight and traffic from the right. If I'm not mistaken, the flashing yellow beacon is only supposed to be used for a movement with the right of way; traffic going straight here most certainly does not have the right of way, because of that yield sign. Honestly, the whole thing should just be a four-way stop IMO.




Does that MUTCD guideline also ban things like this (https://goo.gl/maps/N1FafJndrov), where the westbound traffic has a stop sign but eastbound has a yield?
Title: Re: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: jakeroot on April 16, 2019, 01:10:35 AM
Very similar situation in Arlington, VA (http://bit.ly/2vft3WB) (near Pentagon City). IIRC, there are now lane lines, plus a tiny gore area, between the yield and stop approaches to make the yield look more like a slip lane.

(https://i.imgur.com/7D3Gwu2.png)
Title: Re: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: CYoder on May 12, 2019, 02:02:55 AM
In Bristol VA, the intersection of Meadow Dr and Long Crescent Rd (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.6188749,-82.1767068,3a,75y,96.85h,79.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjfF8uQCqinlxiTfh2POhFQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) contains 2 stops, 1 yield, and 1 unsigned approach.  It's... interesting.  (Not shown in GSV are new placards below the stop and yield signs indicating that westbound traffic has right of way.)
Title: Re: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: wxfree on May 12, 2019, 02:52:41 AM
Quote from: kphoger on April 15, 2019, 04:45:38 PM
Have you ever seen this?

For example, there's this Yield sign (https://goo.gl/maps/aYR1u9kWRxC2) on US-281 in Hardtner, KS.  It seems to only apply to traffic going straight or turning right, unless I'm interpreting things incorrectly.  Oncoming traffic and traffic from the left have Stop signs, traffic from the right has nothing.

US 281 turns right there and functions as the "straight" maneuver.  My interpretation of that is that going straight is essentially a left turn, and requires yielding to traffic from the right.  There's a similar intersection not far from me, in which a state highway turns and the traffic going left has no sign, but in that case the other three approaches have stop signs, which is better, but still not ideal because a driver could assume that it's a four-way stop. 
Title: Re: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: Revive 755 on May 12, 2019, 10:16:01 PM
IIRC Rolla, MO used to have one or two intersections similar to the one in the first post.
Title: Re: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: sprjus4 on May 12, 2019, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 16, 2019, 01:10:35 AM
Very similar situation in Arlington, VA (http://bit.ly/2vft3WB) (near Pentagon City). IIRC, there are now lane lines, plus a tiny gore area, between the yield and stop approaches to make the yield look more like a slip lane.

(https://i.imgur.com/7D3Gwu2.png)
Looking at older imagery, it appears that was the original intent.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8605118,-77.0674792,3a,75y,138.76h,69.69t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDPCxyqJH2gx__c6-JuzhlA!2e0!5s20090701T000000!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: Big John on May 12, 2019, 11:02:41 PM
^^Similar to this: https://goo.gl/maps/MsnKmjU4fekz5FiR6

It used to be a signalized intersection with a raised island separating the movements.
Title: Re: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: jakeroot on May 13, 2019, 02:00:20 AM
Quote from: sprjus4 on May 12, 2019, 10:48:06 PM
Quote from: jakeroot on April 16, 2019, 01:10:35 AM
Very similar situation in Arlington, VA (http://bit.ly/2vft3WB) (near Pentagon City). IIRC, there are now lane lines, plus a tiny gore area, between the yield and stop approaches to make the yield look more like a slip lane.

https://i.imgur.com/7D3Gwu2.png
Looking at older imagery, it appears that was the original intent.

https://www.google.com/maps/@38.8605118,-77.0674792,3a,75y,138.76h,69.69t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sDPCxyqJH2gx__c6-JuzhlA!2e0!5s20090701T000000!7i13312!8i6656

Thanks for the link. Never realized how clear that slip lane used to be. The newer painted gore area is nowhere near that large, but the yield sign remains.
Title: Re: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: Mergingtraffic on May 13, 2019, 02:33:24 PM
Do you know how many people stop at the YIELD sign regardless?
Stamford, CT

https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0463866,-73.5297498,3a,75y,279.18h,84.61t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sa3odfX_8aEnAFvZlVVW0vQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Title: Re: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: Brian556 on May 14, 2019, 01:10:41 AM
Heres a STOP and YIELD right next to each other:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8779745,-96.8823696,3a,18.6y,259.25h,90.42t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6qoshr7YFAAZBYqm5N9U5A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D6qoshr7YFAAZBYqm5N9U5A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D278.22668%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8779745,-96.8823696,3a,18.6y,259.25h,90.42t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6qoshr7YFAAZBYqm5N9U5A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D6qoshr7YFAAZBYqm5N9U5A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D278.22668%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: jeffandnicole on May 14, 2019, 06:06:05 AM
NJDOT tried doing something similar - without the yield sign - at a newly constructed jughandle from NJ 73 South to Century Pkwy towards Fellowship Road: https://goo.gl/maps/CnB6zovtwqaZUQVy7 .  Last time I drove by though, a Stop Sign was put up on the free-flowing right turn lane, no doubt after hearing complaints from people that can't understand how NJDOT could've missed that stop sign.  Clearly, the traffic coming from the left had a stop sign as well, as shown in the pic.  I could only imagine that some of that traffic figured it was a 3 way stop and just kept going thru the intersection, hitting people that had the true right-of-way.
Title: Re: STOP and YIELD at the same intersection
Post by: michravera on May 14, 2019, 10:04:44 AM
Quote from: kphoger on April 15, 2019, 04:45:38 PM
Have you ever seen this?

For example, there's this Yield sign (https://goo.gl/maps/aYR1u9kWRxC2) on US-281 in Hardtner, KS.  It seems to only apply to traffic going straight or turning right, unless I'm interpreting things incorrectly.  Oncoming traffic and traffic from the left have Stop signs, traffic from the right has nothing.

This is a fairly common practice in many suburban and exurban areas in California. It's really common to give a <YIELD> to the right turning traffic and a <STOP> to the straight ahead traffic, especially when the street that is being crossed or joined is wider than the street that is being controlled (so that right turning traffic often has a free lane into which to turn).