Post your findings on demonstrating that the new alignment is far from the old alignment. I guess far is subjective in this instance.
US 12 in Michigan diverged significantly south when it was realigned over what was US 112. US 50 in western Utah/eastern Nevada took a huge swing north originally to reach US 40. US 160 Used to end in Crescent Junction,UT before it was shifted far to the south in the Navajo Nation of Arizona. US 19 in Florida used to multiplex US 41 for a long time in Florida before it was shifted more to the Gulf Coast in Pasco, Hernando, Citrus and Levy Counties. The original alignment of US 60 followed the original alignment of AZ 73 until the Salt River Canyon Route was built a significant distance to the west. US 40 in California likely used the Benicia-Martinez Ferry before the Carnquinez Bridge was built. US 66 lost a large chunk of its mileage in New Mexico when it was realigned out of Santa Fe directly through Albuquerque. US 97 has ended at US 99 in Oregon and California. Before US 70 was extended to California it took drastically different alignments to varying western terminus points.
Depends on how far is "far" enough:
MN:
US 65 used to swing northeast from Faribault to Northfield on its way into downtown St. Paul. First the terminus was changed to Minneapolis resulting in a swing back to the northwest from Northfield, then the route as a whole was realigned to what is roughly I-35 today before being decommissioned about 1980.
US 169 used to take an east-northeast path into downtown Minneapolis where it scraped the west side of downtown before turning northwest toward Anoka. Was realigned bit by bit to its present freeway alignment in the west suburbs.
US 212 went to Willmar in its earliest days, with its present alignment well to the south of that city.
US 80 dipping south toward the Mexican border at Douglas, Arizona compared to the I-10 corridor.
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US 395's course in northern Oregon/southern Washington state changed in 1986-7, leaving the two routings rather different and somewhat widely spaced (today along I-84 and I-82 and some connecting pieces rather than along US 730 and US 12/former US 410).
US 6 used to go to Greeley, CO until 1937 (along what is now US 85 and US 34), when it then moved to the cutoff routing between Denver and Wiggins, CO now largely represented by I-76.
Just two examples off the top of my head that I've personally traveled.
US-10 was built onto a freeway east of Midland, before the freeway was built US-10 use to go through Saginaw on what is today M-47 and M-58 and continuing on what are now streets with local control (E. Genesee/Dixie Hwy/Saginaw Road, etc.) to Detroit. US-10 now ends in Bay City on the freeway. The change to the freeway put US-10 about 11 miles more north.
US-202 on Paoli Pike between West Chester and Paoli, PA.
Quote from: bassoon1986 on May 07, 2019, 09:44:46 PM
US 80 dipping south toward the Mexican border at Douglas, Arizona compared to the I-10 corridor.
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Well, if you want to get technical I-10 took more of the general alignment of AZ 86 and AZ 84 over US 80 from the New Mexico State Line west to Gila Bend.
In Montana, US 212 originally ended in Miles City, using what's now MSR 59 north of Broadus. At that point US 12 multiplexed with US 10 between Miles City and Laurel, heading to a terminus at Yellowstone NP over what is now US 212. In 1960 US 12 was rerouted over previous MT 6 via Roundup and Harlowton, with a temporary end at US 10N at Townsend. The previous western portion of US 12 was redesignated as US 312 from Forsyth to Yellowstone. Two years later US 212 was routed over former MT 8 from Broadus to US 87 at Crow Agency, then multiplexing over US 87 and later US 10 and replacing US 312 from Billings to Yellowstone. And finally US 312 took over the former US 212 southeast from Miles City to present US 212 near Broadus. Eventually US 12 was extended west through Helena, Missoula, and Lolo Pass into Idaho and Washington; it reached US 95 by 1963 and was extended through WA by 1967. Eventually US 312 was decommissioned after I-94 was completed in the Yellowstone Valley. Thus, in the space of 7 years both US 12's and US 212's paths ended up quite different from their pre-1960 historical alignments.
US 191 has to rank pretty far up there, given it now runs around 150-200 miles east of the original routing. Before the interstates, it went southwest from West Yellowstone MT along what is now essentially the US 20 and I-15 corridors through eastern Idaho and northern Utah, ending at US 91/89/30S in Brigham City. I-15 construction made that segment redundant, so it was truncated back up to West Yellowstone. But in the early 1980s it was extended south through more of Wyoming, a completely different part of Utah, and eastern Arizona to I-40, and later was extended all the way to Mexico to replace the southern part of US 666.
In Iowa, US 65 previously went west on what's now IA 2 to Leon, then north along the current US 69 to south of Indianola. It also went straight north along the current US 69 from Des Moines to Ames, then east from Ames to Colo. All this was previously the Jefferson Highway.
Several years ago, US 71 was rerouted in west central Iowa.
US 360 and VA 360 are a pretty decent example of this in Virginia. I was going to comment about US 58 and US 58 ALT but it looks like US 58 ALT was never US 58 (thanks to VA Hwys Project for clarifying that).
US 41 in Tennessee was realigned to run out to Tracy City along TN 150. It foremerly ran along what is now I-24 over Monteagle Mountain.
Another good example in Virginia is US 60 which used to use today's US 360 and US 460 to Lynchburg, then northwest back to Lexington.
South Carolina's best example is US 17 which used to run Charleston-Florence-Whiteville-Wilmington.
North Carolina has 2 good examples with US 64: Bat Cave to Morganton used to go via Old Fort; Morganton to Statesville used to go via US 70.
US-127 used to run along current US-223 between US-12 and Toledo
Though neither are part of US 101 anymore, the Santa Ana Freeway south of Route 60 and the old Whittier Boulevard/Harbor Boulevard/Anaheim Boulevard routing between Los Angeles and Anaheim are about 7 miles apart at the point where old 72 made the turn from Whittier to Harbor in La Habra.
If one considers the 1930s US 101E as a former US 101 routing, the current Bayshore Freeway routing in San Mateo is about 15 miles west of former US 101E/current Route 238 in Hayward.
US 101 in Coos County ran from Coos Bay to Coquille to Bandon until 1961. That is when a bypass was built to the west to directly connect Coos Bay to Bandon. Since Bandon and Coquille are 18 miles apart, there's your distance from the original to the "new".
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US 10 originally utilized the south shore of Lake Washington via the WA 900 corridor until the Lake Washington Floating Bridge was built.
US 50 in UT used to use US 6 instead of I-70.
US-431 doesn't follow the path of it predecessor US-241 south of Anniston. the Aliment of US-241 took it into Talladega (via todays ALA-21), But when US-431 replaced US-241, it went on a path that was much further east.
Quote from: ftballfan on May 08, 2019, 04:18:09 PM
US-127 used to run along current US-223 between US-12 and Toledo
I had not been aware of that, but I checked it out. The change was made between the publishing of the 1930 and 1931 Ohio Highway maps. Prior to that, what is now US-127 in Ohio was OH-9. Learn something new every day!
ODOT swapped designations for US 23 & Oh 199 between Fostoria & Perrysburg (suburban Toledo), back in the 1960s
Quote from: ftballfan on May 08, 2019, 04:18:09 PM
US-127 used to run along current US-223 between US-12 and Toledo
US-223 shouldn't even be a US highway anymore. Perhaps M-223 is a better fit.
Is US 17 ALT/Old US 17 through South Carolina far away enough? It's far enough away it serves a completely different corridor than mainline US 17 today.
Quote from: index on May 09, 2019, 08:06:07 PM
Is US 17 ALT/Old US 17 through South Carolina far away enough? It's far enough away it serves a completely different corridor than mainline US 17 today.
Only the part of US 17 ALT south of Walterboro has ever been US 17, which then used today's SC 64 east back to Jacksonboro. Okay technically some of the US 17 ALT multiplex with US 52 in Moncks Corner was US 17 from 1926-34.
The rest of US 17 ALT was a renumbering of SC 64 which used to extend all the way to the Georgetown area.
In Iowa there was US 20 that when the current freeway was opened to traffic it moved the alignment of US 20 several miles to the south.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 09, 2019, 10:53:57 PM
In Iowa there was US 20 that when the current freeway was opened to traffic it moved the alignment of US 20 several miles to the south.
That would be the old US 20 segment from Moorland west to Early. If you go east from Moorland through Fort Dodge all the way to Waterloo, much of that is far to the north, so much so between Iowa Falls and Cedar Falls that they made old US 20 IA 57.
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 09, 2019, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: index on May 09, 2019, 08:06:07 PM
Is US 17 ALT/Old US 17 through South Carolina far away enough? It's far enough away it serves a completely different corridor than mainline US 17 today.
Only the part of US 17 ALT south of Walterboro has ever been US 17, which then used today's SC 64 east back to Jacksonboro. Okay technically some of the US 17 ALT multiplex with US 52 in Moncks Corner was US 17 from 1926-34.
The rest of US 17 ALT was a renumbering of SC 64 which used to extend all the way to the Georgetown area.
Ah...Well now I look kind of dumb don't I? :pan: I had heard that US 17 ALT was formerly part of US 17, but what actually happened makes a lot more sense than just shifting a whole corridor throughout a state. Oh well, I learn something new every day.
Quote from: index on May 10, 2019, 01:49:38 PM
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 09, 2019, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: index on May 09, 2019, 08:06:07 PM
Is US 17 ALT/Old US 17 through South Carolina far away enough? It's far enough away it serves a completely different corridor than mainline US 17 today.
Only the part of US 17 ALT south of Walterboro has ever been US 17, which then used today's SC 64 east back to Jacksonboro. Okay technically some of the US 17 ALT multiplex with US 52 in Moncks Corner was US 17 from 1926-34.
The rest of US 17 ALT was a renumbering of SC 64 which used to extend all the way to the Georgetown area.
Ah...Well now I look kind of dumb don't I? :pan: I had heard that US 17 ALT was formerly part of US 17, but what actually happened makes a lot more sense than just shifting a whole corridor throughout a state. Oh well, I learn something new every day.
Here is how US 17 originally ran...the Florence alignment changed in 1934 and the Walterboro alignment changed in 1952...
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2Fscannex%2Froute-log%2Fimages%2F17_1930s.jpg&hash=fbdbb7838a37be89267038c378b6fe8b428840ef)
1930 SCDOT Official
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vahighways.com%2Fscannex%2Froute-log%2Fimages%2F17_1933.jpg&hash=34e34812b710f3123390955c1a69e33bf0e9f8e7)
1933 SCDOT Official
That would explain the geometry of the US 17 and SC 64 intersection as US 17 curves while SC 64 WB goes straight off of 17.
Too bad NY 17 was not made the US route it should have been, as it could be said that the freeway alignment west of Corning up to I-390 and then SW to Hornell would be far away from NY 17's original alignment. NY 417 is old 17 several miles to the south now of I-86 & NY 17 through the Southern Tier.
However, NY did not want another US route but for all practical purposes NY 17 was a defacto US route as it went several hundred miles and was a vital link in the state. Heck its even longer than US 46 or US 130 are.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 10, 2019, 11:03:49 PM
Too bad NY 17 was not made the US route it should have been, as it could be said that the freeway alignment west of Corning up to I-390 and then SW to Hornell would be far away from NY 17's original alignment. NY 417 is old 17 several miles to the south now of I-86 & NY 17 through the Southern Tier.
However, NY did not want another US route but for all practical purposes NY 17 was a defacto US route as it went several hundred miles and was a vital link in the state. Heck its even longer than US 46 or US 130 are.
Lots of states have state highways longer than US-46 and US-130.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 10, 2019, 11:03:49 PM
However, NY did not want another US route but for all practical purposes NY 17 was a defacto US route as it went several hundred miles and was a vital link in the state. Heck its even longer than US 46 or US 130 are.
Why was (is?) New York so hostile to US routes?
Quote from: Evan_Th on May 11, 2019, 04:20:22 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 10, 2019, 11:03:49 PM
However, NY did not want another US route but for all practical purposes NY 17 was a defacto US route as it went several hundred miles and was a vital link in the state. Heck its even longer than US 46 or US 130 are.
Why was (is?) New York so hostile to US routes?
I'm not sure that New York is hostile to US routes since there are 16 US routes in the state. At least US-9, US-11 and US-20 all have lengthy distances in the state.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 12, 2019, 08:55:36 AM
I'm not sure that New York is hostile to US routes since there are 16 US routes in the state. At least US-9, US-11 and US-20 all have lengthy distances in the state.
New York definitely is hostile to US routes. Compare it to any other state of similar size (suggested: IL, OH, PA). The only long US routes in New York are the three you mentioned and arguably 9W.
I recall NY and CA did have a policy to cut back the US routes. I bet they wouldn't have 20 if they could have put it on the thruway....like 51 in Illinois.
Illinois has tons of bypasses and new segments mostly close to old alignment. The farthest are 34 about 2 miles and 51 about 4 miles.
Did NY even have that many to begin with? The only one I can think of that they actually made an effort to remove was US 15. Certainly not like the states west of the Mississippi that relocated/eliminated aggressively.
EDIT: US 220 does not count.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 10, 2019, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 10, 2019, 11:03:49 PM
Too bad NY 17 was not made the US route it should have been, as it could be said that the freeway alignment west of Corning up to I-390 and then SW to Hornell would be far away from NY 17's original alignment. NY 417 is old 17 several miles to the south now of I-86 & NY 17 through the Southern Tier.
However, NY did not want another US route but for all practical purposes NY 17 was a defacto US route as it went several hundred miles and was a vital link in the state. Heck its even longer than US 46 or US 130 are.
Lots of states have state highways longer than US-46 and US-130.
LA 1 is one of many. However, the thing is that both US 46 and 130 have been bypassed by freeways also and these many other longer state routes are still independent and no parallel freeways.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 12, 2019, 08:55:36 AM
I'm not sure that New York is hostile to US routes since there are 16 US routes in the state. At least US-9, US-11 and US-20 all have lengthy distances in the state.
Yes they were and many of the veteran road enthuists here can contest hence why Long Island does not have US routes. NY 27 and 25 could have been both extensions of US 22 and 46. Also keep in mind that US 46 and 220 both end at the NY State Line and ditto for now defunct US 106 that also ended at the Delaware River (the PA/NY border). US 106 connected to NY 52 which ends at US 6 in Westchester or Putnam County further east which leads one to believe that NY did not want US 106 or the others that end at the state lines in their state.
One not mentioned yet: in the early days of the U.S. route system, US 2 ran to Wells River, VT instead of the direct routing between Montpelier and St. Johnsbury.
QuoteI recall NY and CA did have a policy to cut back the US routes.
It wasn't so much that California had it out for US highways; the 1964 Great Renumbering was a well-meaning attempt to simplify route numbering by eliminating duplicates and trying to hew to "one route, one number." And it did largely succeed.
That said, it did have its greatest negative effect on US highways because there were so many of them terminating in California and because Interstates had priority. Combine that with AASHTO's general disapproval of single-state routings under 300 miles and the result was understandable, if unfortunate.
I don't know NY's story.
Quote from: roadman65 on May 12, 2019, 10:33:38 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 12, 2019, 08:55:36 AM
I'm not sure that New York is hostile to US routes since there are 16 US routes in the state. At least US-9, US-11 and US-20 all have lengthy distances in the state.
Yes they were and many of the veteran road enthuists here can contest hence why Long Island does not have US routes. NY 27 and 25 could have been both extensions of US 22 and 46. Also keep in mind that US 46 and 220 both end at the NY State Line and ditto for now defunct US 106 that also ended at the Delaware River (the PA/NY border). US 106 connected to NY 52 which ends at US 6 in Westchester or Putnam County further east which leads one to believe that NY did not want US 106 or the others that end at the state lines in their state.
The New York representative to the AASHO effort to create the US system was definitely in favor of fewer US routes and definitely didn't want short connector pieces designated, the way Pennsylvania did:
From the June 15, 1925 meeting, pg. 35 at this link (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015021099604;view=1up;seq=71;size=125):
A general examination of the field map as brought to this group meeting at once produced the impression that too many roads had been selected and Mr. Greene of New York was especially desirous of reducing the mileage and the layout in New York was made accordingly. Mr. Greene said he thought he would on his own initiative send a copy of his State map to the other States in order that they could more clearly get his idea of a desirable density of transcontinental routes. He felt that the whole system should be very carefully gone over by the Joint Board with a view to eliminating a large number of alternates, short cuts and cross roads, which could not fairly be considered as of transcontinental significance, or even of major interstate importance.Interestingly, on page 43 at the same link, there is this passage from the August 4, 1925 meeting:
Moved and seconded that it be the sense of this Board that the so-called South Tier road in southern New York be added to the system of routes. CARRIEDThis suggests to me that the NY 17 corridor was approved as a US route. I don't see anything further that gives its number or that it was withdrawn. I am not from this area but I can't imagine this refers to US 20.
Quote from: Mapmikey on May 12, 2019, 12:06:49 PM
Quote from: roadman65 on May 12, 2019, 10:33:38 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 12, 2019, 08:55:36 AM
I'm not sure that New York is hostile to US routes since there are 16 US routes in the state. At least US-9, US-11 and US-20 all have lengthy distances in the state.
Yes they were and many of the veteran road enthuists here can contest hence why Long Island does not have US routes. NY 27 and 25 could have been both extensions of US 22 and 46. Also keep in mind that US 46 and 220 both end at the NY State Line and ditto for now defunct US 106 that also ended at the Delaware River (the PA/NY border). US 106 connected to NY 52 which ends at US 6 in Westchester or Putnam County further east which leads one to believe that NY did not want US 106 or the others that end at the state lines in their state.
The New York representative to the AASHO effort to create the US system was definitely in favor of fewer US routes and definitely didn't want short connector pieces designated, the way Pennsylvania did:
From the June 15, 1925 meeting, pg. 35 at this link (https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015021099604;view=1up;seq=71;size=125):
A general examination of the field map as brought to this group meeting at once produced the impression that too many roads had been selected and Mr. Greene of New York was especially desirous of reducing the mileage and the layout in New York was made accordingly. Mr. Greene said he thought he would on his own initiative send a copy of his State map to the other States in order that they could more clearly get his idea of a desirable density of transcontinental routes. He felt that the whole system should be very carefully gone over by the Joint Board with a view to eliminating a large number of alternates, short cuts and cross roads, which could not fairly be considered as of transcontinental significance, or even of major interstate importance.
Very interesting discussion and well thought out.
Interestingly, on page 43 at the same link, there is this passage from the August 4, 1925 meeting:
Moved and seconded that it be the sense of this Board that the so-called South Tier road in southern New York be added to the system of routes. CARRIED
This suggests to me that the NY 17 corridor was approved as a US route. I don't see anything further that gives its number or that it was withdrawn. I am not from this area but I can't imagine this refers to US 20.
Quote from: froggie on May 12, 2019, 10:39:03 AM
One not mentioned yet: in the early days of the U.S. route system, US 2 ran to Wells River, VT instead of the direct routing between Montpelier and St. Johnsbury.
The western portion of US-2 had a variety of changes in the Upper Peninsula. What are now shoreline routes west of St Ignace and around Manistique had routings that were inland. The route veered away from Lake Michigan, and then veered back to connect to the shoreline towns. Most of the old routings are now county roads, like Hiawatha Trail and Worth Road. Some short portions of the old routings are included in state routes like M-149, M-94 and M-117.
Another old routing from St Ignace to Sault Ste Marie is now covered by M-134 and M-129. (And of course, US-2 was truncated to St Ignace some time after I-75 was built.)
I would have liked to know if NY had wanted NY 17 to be a US route if NJ 17 would have been part of it too?
The eastern terminus of US 422 moved from US 611 (now PA 611) or US 1 in Philadelphia (following Germantown Ave, Germantown Pike and Ridge Pike, and before that Germantown Ave and Ridge Pike) to it's current end at US 202 in King of Prussia...14 miles as the crow flies.
Yes that is a great example! It not only got truncated but give a new shorter alignment to a new end somewhere away from its original end.
I can see why Long Island doesn't have any US routes. They would all have to end on Long Island somewhere and wouldn't be thru routes to anywhere else. Perhaps US-46 could have extended to Long Island or maybe even US-30 or 40 considering they end very close together in Atlantic City.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 14, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
I can see why Long Island doesn't have any US routes. They would all have to end on Long Island somewhere and wouldn't be thru routes to anywhere else. Perhaps US-46 could have extended to Long Island or maybe even US-30 or 40 considering they end very close together in Atlantic City.
I agree, but there are US routes that dead end (1, 41, 80, probably others)
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 14, 2019, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 14, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
I can see why Long Island doesn't have any US routes. They would all have to end on Long Island somewhere and wouldn't be thru routes to anywhere else. Perhaps US-46 could have extended to Long Island or maybe even US-30 or 40 considering they end very close together in Atlantic City.
I agree, but there are US routes that dead end (1, 41, 80, probably others)
Doesn't US 70 dead end?
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 15, 2019, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 14, 2019, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 14, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
I can see why Long Island doesn't have any US routes. They would all have to end on Long Island somewhere and wouldn't be thru routes to anywhere else. Perhaps US-46 could have extended to Long Island or maybe even US-30 or 40 considering they end very close together in Atlantic City.
I agree, but there are US routes that dead end (1, 41, 80, probably others)
Doesn't US 70 dead end?
Not technically. Route designation ends a half mile before the road ends at a former bridge location over a creek (which US 70 used to cross before ending at another street).
https://goo.gl/maps/sLh4fDte9bfCHBnc8
US 1 and US 80 technically don't dead end (though US 80 may have in the far past).
US 64 east end used to be a true dead end. US 21 south used to end at a parking area at the beach.
US 74, US 76, and US 421 endpoints in North Carolina are all dead ends.
Quote from: Avalanchez71 on May 15, 2019, 12:00:24 AM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 14, 2019, 03:01:09 PM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 14, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
I can see why Long Island doesn't have any US routes. They would all have to end on Long Island somewhere and wouldn't be thru routes to anywhere else. Perhaps US-46 could have extended to Long Island or maybe even US-30 or 40 considering they end very close together in Atlantic City.
I agree, but there are US routes that dead end (1, 41, 80, probably others)
Doesn't US 70 dead end?
Do these actually dead end with no outlet other than US-41? I know where US-41's northern terminus is at.
US 421 dead ends if you exclude the ferry.
Quote from: 1 on May 15, 2019, 07:17:19 AM
US 421 dead ends if you exclude the ferry.
US 421 goes 700 feet past the ferry access (which is NC 211) into a parking lot. You have backtrack to the ferry access, so it is a dead end.
I am certainly aware of 1 not being a true dead end, but it's the same principle as a Long Island route would be.
Quote from: 1 on May 15, 2019, 07:17:19 AM
US 421 dead ends if you exclude the ferry.
Looking at the southern terminus I would indeed call that a dead end. US-421 doesn't pick up on the other side of the ferry and looks like it just dead ends in a parking area for the ferry. I was looking for a BEGIN US-421 sign and found it. https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9595838,-77.9408105,3a,15y,115.66h,87.56t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s6OYStPsWXU-mKU9T1gxgvA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
And it's right across the street from this sign
https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9596202,-77.9406727,3a,19.7y,299.82h,82.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQKIPuf9kpmZKnlRX13vi_g!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
So yep US-421 dead ends.
Quote from: dfilpus on May 15, 2019, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 15, 2019, 07:17:19 AM
US 421 dead ends if you exclude the ferry.
US 421 goes 700 feet past the ferry access (which is NC 211) into a parking lot. You have backtrack to the ferry access, so it is a dead end.
So NC-211 crosses on the ferry and then ends at US-421? That's how I'm gathering it.
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 15, 2019, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: dfilpus on May 15, 2019, 12:31:28 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 15, 2019, 07:17:19 AM
US 421 dead ends if you exclude the ferry.
US 421 goes 700 feet past the ferry access (which is NC 211) into a parking lot. You have backtrack to the ferry access, so it is a dead end.
So NC-211 crosses on the ferry and then ends at US-421? That's how I'm gathering it.
The extension of NC 211 across the ferry happened in 2013. AFAIK, it is not signed past the gate to the ferry terminal on the Southport side or on the Fort Fisher side. https://connect.ncdot.gov/resources/safety/Route%20Changes/2013_06_06.pdf
Quote from: 1 on May 12, 2019, 09:00:50 AM
Quote from: Flint1979 on May 12, 2019, 08:55:36 AM
I'm not sure that New York is hostile to US routes since there are 16 US routes in the state. At least US-9, US-11 and US-20 all have lengthy distances in the state.
New York definitely is hostile to US routes. Compare it to any other state of similar size (suggested: IL, OH, PA). The only long US routes in New York are the three you mentioned and arguably 9W.
Uh, yeah, agreed. New York and PA are night and day in this regard.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on May 12, 2019, 10:14:29 AM
Did NY even have that many to begin with? The only one I can think of that they actually made an effort to remove was US 15. Certainly not like the states west of the Mississippi that relocated/eliminated aggressively.
EDIT: US 220 does not count.
Don't forget US 104.
Also, NY 404 has seen many, many erroneous US 404 shields over the years, but I'm not sure if it was ever a US route or not.
Quote from: webny99 on May 15, 2019, 09:34:26 PM
Also, NY 404 has seen many, many erroneous US 404 shields over the years, but I'm not sure if it was ever a US route or not.
Given that U.S. Route 404 on Wikipedia is a red link (not even a redirect), it almost certainly never existed.
Quote from: 1 on May 15, 2019, 09:37:50 PM
Quote from: webny99 on May 15, 2019, 09:34:26 PM
Also, NY 404 has seen many, many erroneous US 404 shields over the years, but I'm not sure if it was ever a US route or not.
Given that U.S. Route 404 on Wikipedia is a red link (not even a redirect), it almost certainly never existed.
You'd think it existed now if you drove the length of NY 404. Some of the US shields have been replaced, but there are still a number of them.
Use to be part of US-104 not 404 and it never connected to US-4.