My thread a few days ago on the 1934 California highway numbering system made me think of the times that a later route number for a road is a direct descendant of the previous one in some form, as this has occurred occasionally in this state. Curious of examples elsewhere!
The California ones I can think of:
pre-1964
440 > 44 (technically a realignment after US 299 replaced the original 44, but 440 had been a child route of 44)
7 > 107 (the most notable early example, and still in existence today)
6 > 26 (the original 1934 Route 26 was gone by then, and US 6 needed to be accommodated)
8 eastern segment > 88
Wonder if one could count former 150 between Santa Barbara and the Solvang area becoming 154 in the late 1950s as part of this.
post-1964
5W > 505 and 580
466 > 46
24 in Concord > 242
30 east of San Bernardino > 330
71 southeast of Temecula > 371
11 > 110
7 > 710
M-227 comes to mind out Michigan having been spun off when US 27 was decommissioned.
Something like Old US 51 becoming IL 251, when US 51 was put on the I-39 Freeway?
Were I-55 and I-44 derived from replacing part of the US 66 corridor (in addition to The Grid placement)?
Quote from: ilpt4u on May 16, 2019, 01:34:26 AM
Something like Old US 51 becoming IL 251, when US 51 was put on the I-39 Freeway?
I would consider that easily yeah.
Other examples that I'm remembering now:
- MO 366 near St. Louis (former US 66)
- NY 417 (former NY 17 before the construction of the modern parallel expressway alignment to the north)
- Ottawa Road 417 (former Ontario Highway 17)
Ohio has several of these in the 400s and 800s, on either old alignments of a current route (like OH-423 on a portion of US-23 that was bypassed), or a portion of a route that was truncated (the eastern end of OH-16 became OH-416 after a long concurrency with US-36 was eliminated).
Oregon's are a bit more obscure, but seem to have come as a result of ODOT and the OTC wanting to sign the ORH designations without external Routes as Routes as the ORH system was becoming more and more known by the general public (which still is probably in the dark about it, really) as some ORHs (notably 2 and 2W) would find their way on maps.
A couple examples (and they retain their underlying ORH number)
ORH 51 -> OR 551, because OR 51 already existed.
ORH 69 -> OR 569, because ODOT didn't want to deal with having 69 signed.
ORH 240 -> OR 540, because OR 240 already existed.
Some directly transitioned from ORH to OR without any modifications --
ORH 103 -> OR 103
ORH 131 -> OR 131
Some already inadvertantly matched their OR Route --
ORH 138 - OR 138
ORH 26 - US 26
And a trio I'm not too sure of are the non-spurred suffixed Highways:
ORH 1E -> ORH 91
ORH 1W -> ORH 9x?
ORH 2W -> ORH 92
(Spurred suffix Highways are rare; there are two I know off hand: 39Y (OR 18S), 422Y (OR 422S). Spur Routes like 104S (unsigned?), 42S have ORH 4xx numbers)
CT-184 used to be CT-84. Then I-84 came to the state.
There was an interlude when it was CT-95. Kurumi used the phrase "number compatibility." I think that it was a gap between the CT and RI portions of I-95 at the time.
Semi-related: about two dozen Minnesota state route numbers are loosely based on their original Constitutional Route. These Constitutional Routes retained their original route number at least in part during the massive 1933 renumbering and route system expansion.
There are also the cases of MN 135 and MN 194, which were originally MN 35 and MN 94 respectively and renumbered when the Interstates came around. I believe the reason why there isn't an I-294 is because MN 294 was already being used and MnDOT's predecessor did not feel like renumbering it.
All state routes in MA that are 200+ have something to do with a lower-numbered route or are extensions of another state's state route.
I believe MA 203 used to be MA 3, but I'm not sure.
MA 225 used to be MA 25
MA 228 used to be part of MA 128 (not sure)
MA/NH 286 used to be MA/NH 86
213 and 240 are just related to 1xx instead of being on the same alignment, and 220 and 295 are extensions of routes from other states.
West Virginia.
The Silver Bridge crossed the Ohio just north of the Kanawha, and US 35 was the road on the north bank of the Kanawha; WV 17 was the route on the south bank. The bridge collapsed and the replacement was built just south of the Kanawha, so WV 17 became US 35 and US 35 became WV 62. Meanwhile, a section of Corridor G, signed as US 119 was completed on a different alignment from the original, so the state repurposed 17, renaming this bypassed section of US 119, WV 17. But now, US 35 is getting a long needed upgrade, and the old US 35, which is the old WV 17, is being renumbered WV 817.
US 52 used to follow a inland route in Wayne County, through the town of Wayne, crossing I-64 at the 5th Street Hill in Huntington, and then following city streets to the 6th Street Bridge into Ohio. A new alignment moved US 52 to follow the Big Sandy further west. The state renamed the old US 52 as WV 152 up to the JCT with I-64, and then as WV 527 from that point (this was because Ohio and WV use joint state route numbers for Ohio River bridges and Ohio already was using OH 152 elsewhere, but why the whole route was not named WV 527 is unknown).
US 21 was decommissioned north of Wytheville, VA, WV renamed the old US 21 north of Charleston as CR 21 (remember in WV, a CR is just a part of the numbering system, still under state control), and a small part of US 21 in Beckley was renamed as WV 210.
If ever built, the Coalfields Expressway, will carry US 121, subject to approval, as if it was a child route of US 21, which it would be, if US 21 still existed. The small part currently open is signed as WV 121.
Illinois 38 was preceded by US 30A. Just pronounce those together.
Wis 241 was US 41 routing.
Mississippi does this with old alignments of US highways. I know of one instance of this sort in Tennessee.
SSR 243 is the old alignment of US 43 from Mount Pleasant to Columbia.
Quote from: ibagli on May 16, 2019, 06:01:49 AM
Ohio has several of these in the 400s and 800s, on either old alignments of a current route (like OH-423 on a portion of US-23 that was bypassed), or a portion of a route that was truncated (the eastern end of OH-16 became OH-416 after a long concurrency with US-36 was eliminated).
OH 800 itself is a former segment of OH 8 (and longer than the remaining portion of OH 8) that was created in 1969 to avoid a concurrency with I-77.
Most CT state routes above 220 "rhyme" (have the same number modulo 100) of an earlier unsigned state road. For example, CT 305 was SR 905; CT 263 was SR 863. (There are a few oddballs like 286 and 287 where I haven't found the origin yet.)
Some signed route history comes in to play as well: CT 289 was part of 89; CT 209 was part of 109; CT 272, CT 372 and (older) SR 572 were parts of 72.
Quote from: TheStranger on May 16, 2019, 01:10:27 AM
My thread a few days ago on the 1934 California highway numbering system made me think of the times that a later route number for a road is a direct descendant of the previous one in some form, as this has occurred occasionally in this state. Curious of examples elsewhere!
There's former LRNs too, like CA 58.
Quote from: kurumi on May 16, 2019, 11:22:32 AM
Most CT state routes above 220 "rhyme" (have the same number modulo 100) of an earlier unsigned state road. For example, CT 305 was SR 905; CT 263 was SR 863. (There are a few oddballs like 286 and 287 where I haven't found the origin yet.)
Some signed route history comes in to play as well: CT 289 was part of 89; CT 209 was part of 109; CT 272, CT 372 and (older) SR 572 were parts of 72.
DIGRESSION ALERT:
I spent most of my childhood in Ellington, CT, so I am very aware of the L-shaped CT-286.
You may now return back to topic.
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on May 16, 2019, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on May 16, 2019, 01:10:27 AM
My thread a few days ago on the 1934 California highway numbering system made me think of the times that a later route number for a road is a direct descendant of the previous one in some form, as this has occurred occasionally in this state. Curious of examples elsewhere!
There's former LRNs too, like CA 58.
The other route that went from LRN to post-1964 number was Route 189 (which if I hadn't known that history, would appear to be a child route of the nearby Route 18).
For Ontario, obvious cases where a 400-series route has superseded a King's Highway route (407, 410, 412, 416, 417, 420, 427).
My favourite one is Hwy 144, which used to be Secondary Highway 544. But they kept it going with an old alignment that has an MTO internal number of 7044.
Quote from: ibagli on May 16, 2019, 06:01:49 AM
Ohio has several of these in the 400s and 800s, on either old alignments of a current route (like OH-423 on a portion of US-23 that was bypassed), or a portion of a route that was truncated (the eastern end of OH-16 became OH-416 after a long concurrency with US-36 was eliminated).
Several numbers, in Ohio, got recasted outside of the 400 & 800 series...
Former US 30 S became Oh 309
Former Alt US 50 became Oh 550
Western half of Oh 113 became Oh 613
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Within Ohio's 400 series, a couple of numbering oddities.
When US 42 bypassed Lodi, the old section was numbered 421 (instead of 442)
When Oh 4 was rerouted between Springfield and Dayton (bypassing Wright-Patterson AFB), some of the old routing was numbered 444 (instead of 404)
As mentioned previously upthread, former Oh 8 (south of Canton) became Oh 800 (instead of 808)
Kentucky has been doing this recently when the state keeps control of a highway that's bypassed by a new alignment. Examples are KY xx50 along the old route of US 150 in Rockcastle and Lincoln counties,and KY 3630 along the old route of KY 30 in Jackson and Laurel counties. There's also a KY xx27 along the old route of US 27 in Pulaski County north of Somerset.
SP mentioned the WV 152 example and I also think WV 211 may have been an old route of US 21.
In Spooner, WI, STH-253 was part of US 53 until the Spooner bypass opened in 1988. Also, the Miller Parkway (formerly the Stadium South Freeway) in Milwaukee was STH-341 (unposted) from 1999, when US 41 was relocated to an all-freeway alignment between Interstate 94's Exits 308 B-C and former Exit 325, until 2015 when STH-341 became the southernmost portion of STH-175.
Quote from: froggie on May 16, 2019, 07:20:47 AM
Semi-related: about two dozen Minnesota state route numbers are loosely based on their original Constitutional Route. These Constitutional Routes retained their original route number at least in part during the massive 1933 renumbering and route system expansion.
There are also the cases of MN 135 and MN 194, which were originally MN 35 and MN 94 respectively and renumbered when the Interstates came around. I believe the reason why there isn't an I-294 is because MN 294 was already being used and MnDOT's predecessor did not feel like renumbering it.
There are also MN 149 and MN 156, which are surviving segments of the original MN 49 (later decommissioned fully) and MN 56 after those became discontinuous.
The second US 164 was probably numbered after the Arizona state route it largely replaced, AZ 64. It never connected to US 64 during its existence, since 64 ended in Santa Fe at the time (although 64 now ends at old 164). In addition, Arizona state routes 264, 364, and 564 branched off US 164 during its existence.
Some additional Ohio examples include
When US-25 was decommissioned in Ohio, part of it was made OH-25 and multiple segments are called County Road 25A
When US-21 was decommissioned, part of it became OH-21 and part became OH-821
Not sure if this counts, but when the great renumbering of the mid-1920s happened, most of old rt 28 became US-42, but at London, 42 turned more northerly and the balance of old 28 became OH-142.
* IL 267 is a former alignment of US 67, and had also been prior to the last sawp.
* MO 267 and MO 367 in the St. Louis area are both former alignments of US 67
IL 54 is part of former US 54, after US 54 was truncated in IL
In Michigan:
- the second M-10 was part of US 10;
- the current M-25 was part of US 25;
- the current M-27 was part of US 27;
- M-99 was once M-9;
- the current M-120 was part of M-20;
- M-121 was part of M-21;
- M-183 was part of CR 483;
- M-227 was once part of US 27;
- The former M-331 was once US 131;
- M-343 was a part of M-43; and
- M-553 was CR 553.
I'll leave it to others to decide if M-38's number was derived from M-35 or not.
Continuing Minnesota then,
-MN 61 was once part of US 61, made discontinuousm by I-35.
-MN 210 and MN 371 are both decommissioned US routes, although I think MN 210 existed alongside US 210 west of Staples. MN 210 also goes further east than its counterpart.
-MN 110 (former) and MN 120 are/were extant remaining sections of the old MN 100 beltway (generally replaced by I-494 and I-694), just adding multiples of 10.
-MN 62 was the state number assigned to Hennepin County Road 62 when the state took it over. An unrelated MN 62 already existed, and still does.
-The old route of US 12 through Maple Plain is now Hennepin County 112.
MA 38 was MA 3B. Guess they just picked the closest looking number...
The only Jersey answer that truly meets the OP's intent is current Route 109 being former US 9. The next closest example is NJDOT playing Two Away (https://i.imgur.com/yO576Oy.jpg) when renumbering the former alignment of US 322 to the Chester, PA ferry to Route 324.
IL 250 was US 50. IL 251 and IL 351 were US 51. IL 316 (now gone) was IL 16. IL 203 was IL 3.
WI-16, at large, was US-16. WI-110 was US-110. That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
CA 197 (former LRN 81) is a connector for traffic to & from northward US 101 to US 199; using the closest odd/unused number to 199 was likely not coincidental. Incidentally, under the old system LRN 1 (the Redwood Highway, mostly US 101 north of the Golden Gate Bridge) turned inland with US 199; US 101 from US 199 to the Oregon state line was LRN 71.
In Maryland, MD 450 is the number used by an older routing of US 50.
In Pennsylvania, PA 272 (south of Lancaster, to Wakefield) was formerly a southern extension of PA 72.
I'm sure this happens a lot when a former alignment of a US highway "xx" gets replaced by a state highway "nxx".
Quote from: thspfc on May 16, 2019, 10:33:26 PM
WI-16, at large, was US-16. WI-110 was US-110. That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
WIS 213 (other than the extension to the IL line) is a surviving section of WIS 13 after that was truncated to the Dells.
Quote from: jon daly on May 16, 2019, 12:49:40 PM
Quote from: kurumi on May 16, 2019, 11:22:32 AM
Most CT state routes above 220 "rhyme" (have the same number modulo 100) of an earlier unsigned state road. For example, CT 305 was SR 905; CT 263 was SR 863. (There are a few oddballs like 286 and 287 where I haven't found the origin yet.)
Some signed route history comes in to play as well: CT 289 was part of 89; CT 209 was part of 109; CT 272, CT 372 and (older) SR 572 were parts of 72.
DIGRESSION ALERT:
I spent most of my childhood in Ellington, CT, so I am very aware of the L-shaped CT-286.
You may now return back to topic.
Photo of the Conn Hwy Dept Route Numbering Committee finishing up with CT 286:
(https://i.imgur.com/JnFGDiT.jpg)
In Washington:
When US 12 was extended to the Pacific Ocean in 1967, it took over the route of State Route 14 across White Pass. The existing State Route 12 ran on the north bank of the Columbia River and was renumbered to SR 14. Thus, the auxiliary routes were switched over. SR 120 became SR 140, SR 122 became SR 142, and old SR 143 became SR 123.
Luckily a few of the existing routes in the 12X range lined up with the routing of US 12 near Walla Walla.
When US 830 was decommissioned in 1968, it was replaced with SR 4 and the auxiliary routes followed suit (831 to 833 became 431 to 433).
In Poland the new DW333 seems to have come from it's old number DK3 (though it could just be that that number is spare). Similarly, in England the A333 is part of the old A3 (that one is certainly 'its a free number').
The UK has quite a few of them:
A3400 is old A34
B4100 is old A41 (both of them)
B430 is old A43
A4421 is old A421
A4260 is old A426
(these are all one large renumbering blitz when the M40 opened)
A1000 is old A1
A1010 is old A10
A2020 was old A20 (now back as A20)
B384 is old A38 (was B38, with the Government telling Birmingham city council that as the road is in the 4-zone, it needs a 4, so they put it at the end rather than the beginning - should be B438)
B2259 is old B259
A4361 is old A361
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You also have the French stuff where they might add 600, 900, 1000, 2000 (depending on the authority doing it) or whatever when downgrading/bypassing, etc - N2043 (old A43), N2350 (old A350), a huge number of D roads that were N roads, etc. For example, these bits of N2 through villages that were bypassed (https://routes.fandom.com/wiki/Route_nationale_fran%C3%A7aise_2002) became N2002 (add 2000) before becoming D2602 and D602 (with 600 added to 2002 and 2 respectively)
There are probably a bunch of these in Florida, but one that I know of for fact is Hernando County Road 550 being former Florida State Road 50. And plenty of people here know this too, but I had to bring it up before someone else did.
Quote from: dlsterner on May 16, 2019, 11:40:12 PM
In Pennsylvania, PA 272 (south of Lancaster, to Wakefield) was formerly a southern extension of PA 72.
Also in PA, when the PA 60 freeway became I-376, the southern non-freeway portion remained PA 60, but the northern portion, north of I-80, became PA 760.
That's the only signed change that I can think of off the top of my head.
PA 512 was derived from PA 12 that was its parent at the time. PA 191 was old PA 12. Today's PA 12 was commissioned in the late 80s or early 90s.
Also in Michigan, M-125 became part of the old US-25 alignment in 1974.
Before US 136 was commissioned in Indiana, it was IN 34. IN 134, 234, and the now defunct 334 were all child routes of IN 34.
Before US 35 was commissioned in Indiana, part of it was IN 21, and IN 121 was a child route.
Quote from: bulldog1979 on May 16, 2019, 07:05:15 PM
In Michigan:
- the second M-10 was part of US 10;
The 2nd M-10 was in Flint in the 1930 and the 3rd M-10 (since 1987) is the current one. both M-10 was put on a former aliment of US-10. The Flint M-10 was then renumbered to BUS-US-10 in 1941.
I-510 In Phoenix became AZ 51
Quote from: ClassicHasClass on May 16, 2019, 12:38:46 PM
Quote from: TheStranger on May 16, 2019, 01:10:27 AM
My thread a few days ago on the 1934 California highway numbering system made me think of the times that a later route number for a road is a direct descendant of the previous one in some form, as this has occurred occasionally in this state. Curious of examples elsewhere!
There's former LRNs too, like CA 58.
CA-127 was part of the original LRN 127. It's the only pre-1964 road I can find where the LRN and State Sign Route line up even in part. LRN 189, which did not have a pre-1964 SSR number, is CA-189.
Quote from: froggie on May 16, 2019, 07:20:47 AM
Semi-related: about two dozen Minnesota state route numbers are loosely based on their original Constitutional Route. These Constitutional Routes retained their original route number at least in part during the massive 1933 renumbering and route system expansion.
There are also the cases of MN 135 and MN 194, which were originally MN 35 and MN 94 respectively and renumbered when the Interstates came around. I believe the reason why there isn't an I-294 is because MN 294 was already being used and MnDOT's predecessor did not feel like renumbering it.
The old MN 190 can also be lumped in with that group.
For Nebraska, the former NE 38 was renumbered from US 38, which had followed a large part of its route. Also, NE 128 was previously NE 129, before I-129 came to Nebraska.
As for Iowa, I don't think any current state highway designation exists which is a pure derivative of a previous designation, but unsigned IA 906 and IA 930 used to be US 6 and US 30, respectively. County road D20 in the Fort Dodge area, F90 going west from Des Moines, H34 going east and west from Red Oak and X99 going north from Burlington all got the numeric portion of their name from the previous highway designation.
There's one instance I can think of in Nevada... SR 38 became SR 318 in the 1976 renumbering. Possibly a bit of a stretch since the new number fits with the county-cluster numbering in Lincoln County–but when you look at the locations of SR 317 through 322 in Lincoln County and also factor that a significant chunk of SR 318 is also in Nye County (which could have put the number in the 370s), I think NDOT chose 318 as an homage to old 38.
In Indiana, along the new US-24 expressway/Hoosier Heartland Highway, former routings of US-24 which still service towns or have plenty of traffic are designated x24. I believe the same is true along US-31.
PA 106, 120, 230, 309, and 611 are all former US Routes decommissioned into their respective PA routes.
NY 414 used to be NY 44, but then US 44 happened and it was renumbered, wiki says around 1935.
Portions of PA 136 and PA 844 were one part of a longer PA 31.
PA 462 is a previous alignment of US 30.
Everybody's 2nd favorite section of I-70 in PA (Washington-New Stanton) was originally PA 71 Alternate.
PA 378 was I-378, until PennDOT had to move I-78 to the south of Allentown and Bethlehem.
PA 655 was previously PA 76 before I-76 happened.
PA 199 is mostly old US 220.
PA 405 is a hodgepodge of former alignments of many routes including PA 147, and US 111/220/711.
PA/MD 97 from Gettysburg to Westminster and then MD 140 from Westminster to Baltimore were once US 140.
PA 297 was PA 295 until December 2018.
MD 45, Business I-83, and certain portions of PA 297, 382, and 392, were previously US 111. I-83 itself was an upgraded US 111, at least in PA.
Portions of PA 382 and PA 114 were once a part of a longer PA 24.
MN (not mentioned earlier):
Some county routes got their numbers from previous state/US highway designations, like Ramsey-49, Hennepin-122, Hennepin/Anoka-81, three different counties of County 101, and numerous instances of County 61 north of the Twin Cities. Also, part of Hennepin-152 used to be a former routing of US-52.
Sometimes a future routing will get a temporary number based off its future number, like when MN-312 existed before that freeway was completed to be US-212.
MA:
Yes, MA-203 was old MA-3... as was MA-53 and most of MA-3A (the portion of MA-3A from Kingston to Quincy was always MA-3A)
Yes, MA-228 was part of MA-128...sorta...but that part of MA-228 (Derby Rd) is no longer even MA-228 (it used to have an odd routing in that area where 228 North ran along its current routing from Exit 14, but 228 South ran along Derby Rd to Exit 15, but that was scrapped last decade - both directions now meet MA-3 at Exit 14) . It was MA-128 before the MA-3 freeway reached north enough to join it.
MA-149 was once MA-49
MA-124 was once MA-24, until the number got re-assigned to the current freeway.
And many older routings of current state routes that retain its designations as state highways carry the "A" designation, like most of the aforementioned MA-3A, and also MA-6A, MA-28A, MA-2A, etc... There is an anomaly in Seekonk where MA-114A not only was never MA-114, but it's signed that way as an alternate to **RI-114**.
Quote from: DJ Particle on May 20, 2019, 08:08:33 AM
Also, part of Hennepin-152 used to be a former routing of US-52.
That road was also, for a while, MN-152, which is where the county designation probably comes from.
^ MNHighwayMan's right. CSAH 152 stems from MN 152. The only part of CSAH 152 that was ever a former part of US 52 was along Washington from 3rd Ave to West Broadway. North of West Broadway was MN 152 for 50ish years before being turned back to the county in stages from 1980 to 1988.
Quote from: TEG24601 on May 19, 2019, 03:58:58 PM
In Indiana, along the new US-24 expressway/Hoosier Heartland Highway, former routings of US-24 which still service towns or have plenty of traffic are designated x24. I believe the same is true along US-31.
The only state highways currently numbered x24 are 124 and 524, and while both derive their numbering from US 24, I can't find any previous routing of US 24 that follows those routes. Former routings through Wabash and Peru are designated as Bus US 24 (though poorly signed) and former routings through Fort Wayne, Huntington and Logansport are not designated as anything.
Former routings of US 30 and US 31 do have 900 series state routes along former routings in Fort Wayne, South Bend and Kokomo.
Quote from: DJ Particle on May 20, 2019, 08:08:33 AMYes, MA-228 was part of MA-128...sorta...but that part of MA-228 (Derby Rd) is no longer even MA-228 (it used to have an odd routing in that area where 228 North ran along its current routing from Exit 14, but 228 South ran along Derby Rd to Exit 15, but that was scrapped last decade - both directions now meet MA-3 at Exit 14) . It was MA-128 before the MA-3 freeway reached north enough to join it.
Actually, MA 228 came into existence circa 1967; several years
after the Pilgrim's Highway (current MA 3) was completed.
It, along with the truncation of 128 to Braintree at the time, likely was done due to the increased usage of direction cardinals on routes throughout the state. At the time, MA simply used just the route number(s) for signage. Such created a rather awkward scenario where the then-southernmost leg of 128 (current 228) ran opposite with respect to actual direction of the road (i.e. northbound was actually south & vice-versa).
VA 293 was US 29
VA 158 was US 58A
VA 457 was VA 57
VA 360 was US 360
VA 13 was VA 13 (that’s not a typo)
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 21, 2019, 01:34:01 PM
It, along with the truncation of 128 to Braintree at the time, likely was done due to the increased usage of direction cardinals on routes throughout the state. At the time, MA simply used just the route number(s) for signage. Such created a rather awkward scenario where the then-southernmost leg of 128 (current 228) ran opposite with respect to actual direction of the road (i.e. northbound was actually south & vice-versa).
So there was a time when 128 was co-signed to (current) Exit 15 AFTER the freeway was done? Didn't know that. I knew 128 was signed over current 228 due to a map I found from the early 1960s, but I didn't know how it got to its late-1970s configuration.
I just remembered another one. Hernando CR 439 from former Florida State Road 39.
Actually I remembered it on the day I posted my message about CR 550, but I put off that addition.
Oh, and there's also Hernando CR 541 from former Florida SR 41. Did you know there are signs in Pasco County that still call it Hernando CR 41?
Quote from: TheStranger on May 16, 2019, 01:10:27 AM
My thread a few days ago on the 1934 California highway numbering system made me think of the times that a later route number for a road is a direct descendant of the previous one in some form, as this has occurred occasionally in this state. Curious of examples elsewhere!
The California ones I can think of:
pre-1964
440 > 44 (technically a realignment after US 299 replaced the original 44, but 440 had been a child route of 44)
7 > 107 (the most notable early example, and still in existence today)
6 > 26 (the original 1934 Route 26 was gone by then, and US 6 needed to be accommodated)
8 eastern segment > 88
Wonder if one could count former 150 between Santa Barbara and the Solvang area becoming 154 in the late 1950s as part of this.
post-1964
5W > 505 and 580
466 > 46
24 in Concord > 242
30 east of San Bernardino > 330
71 southeast of Temecula > 371
11 > 110
7 > 710
And don't forget part of and extension of US-50 became CASR-51 (and I wish to hell that they would sign it that way!).
CASR-12-> CASR-121; CASR-16 -> CASR-160;
Here is a couple from the California State Highway renumbering:
CA 58 replaced parts of CA 178 and US 466 but was derived from Legislative Route Number 58.
LRN 189 became CA 189.
Some obvious ones like 99, 66, 91, 60 and 299 came from previous US Route designations. Some Signed County Routes like S80 and San Bernardino County Route 66 came from US Route designations. Some Signed County Routes like J59 and J132 are obvious extensions of State Highways. N7 might be a reference to the original CA 7 or a coincidence.
Quote from: michravera on May 22, 2019, 10:10:09 AM
Quote from: TheStranger on May 16, 2019, 01:10:27 AM
My thread a few days ago on the 1934 California highway numbering system made me think of the times that a later route number for a road is a direct descendant of the previous one in some form, as this has occurred occasionally in this state. Curious of examples elsewhere!
The California ones I can think of:
pre-1964
440 > 44 (technically a realignment after US 299 replaced the original 44, but 440 had been a child route of 44)
7 > 107 (the most notable early example, and still in existence today)
6 > 26 (the original 1934 Route 26 was gone by then, and US 6 needed to be accommodated)
8 eastern segment > 88
Wonder if one could count former 150 between Santa Barbara and the Solvang area becoming 154 in the late 1950s as part of this.
post-1964
5W > 505 and 580
466 > 46
24 in Concord > 242
30 east of San Bernardino > 330
71 southeast of Temecula > 371
11 > 110
7 > 710
And don't forget part of and extension of US-50 became CASR-51 (and I wish to hell that they would sign it that way!).
CASR-12-> CASR-121; CASR-16 -> CASR-160;
221 in Napa is an interesting example, as the number was originally planned in that area for a bridge that never was built, but the route it ended up on (former Route 29) operates as a spur from Route 121.
Quote from: Mr. Matté on May 16, 2019, 10:13:23 PM
The only Jersey answer that truly meets the OP's intent is current Route 109 being former US 9. The next closest example is NJDOT playing Two Away (https://i.imgur.com/yO576Oy.jpg) when renumbering the former alignment of US 322 to the Chester, PA ferry to Route 324.
There's a few more:
NJ 138 was the eastern portion of the discontinuous NJ 38; the western portion kept the numbering, but the eastern portion displayed mile markers that included the never-built mileage until they were updated after its 1988 renumbering.
NJ 139 is what was Business US 1&9; the number was chosen because "3" resembles an ampersand.
NJ 19 and NJ 120 were each discontinuous former designations of NJ 20 (yes, there were once three "NJ 20"s in existence simultaneously. Of course, in those days you could also find signs directing you to NJ 18 North, South, East and West.)
Quote from: Takumi on May 21, 2019, 11:31:55 PM
VA 13 was VA 13 (that's not a typo)
In that vein, part of (the third) US 401 was (the second) US 401 :sombrero:.
Another Ohio example:
Former sections of State Route 18 east of Akron in Portage County (Tallmadge Road) and Mahoning County (Mahoning Avenue) are County Road 18.
In Western PA, PA 380 used to be PA 80, but was renamed to avoid confusion with I-80.
In Sullivan County, NY, pre-expressway segments of NY 17 have been renumbered as the CR 17x series.
OK 40A is a spur of US 177 that connects to Carney. The number seems odd until you realize that US 177 was extended south along what was then OK 40 around 1965. Some suffixed routes were renumbered to match the parent highway. OK 412P used to be OK 33G while OK 271A was renumbered from OK 2A. Don't get me started on OK 251A, OK 251B, OK 251C, OK 251D and OK 251E. There has never been an OK 251 to my knowledge.
AR 365 (former US 65)
AR 367 north of Jacksonville (former US 67)
AR 367 south of Little Rock (former US 167)
AR 463 (former US 63)
OK 164 (former US 64)
Former AR 471 (former US 71)
Not to mention the old US routes in Mississippi like 145, 149, 178 and 182.
Arkansas renumbered several of their state highways around the time the Interstates were commissioned:
AR 30 became AR 130
AR 40 became AR 140
AR 55 became AR 355
Arkansas doesn't typically duplicate state highway numbers between state routes and US highways and state highways. There are a few exceptions like US 59 and AR 59 and I-49 and US 49. When US 371 was established in 1994, AR 371 was renumbered to AR 13. Similarly, when US 278 was extended into Arkansas in 1998, there were three segments of AR 278 which were renumbered AR 160, AR 169 and AR 189. I-49 famously duplicates its number with US 49. At least the two highways are on opposite sides of the state. There is no word whether AR 57 and AR 69 will be renumbered. The other two duplications are I-440 and AR 440, and I-530 and AR 530. Both highways are future interstates. When these highways are upgraded to Interstates they will keep the same number.
Quote from: DJ Particle on May 20, 2019, 08:08:33 AM
MN (not mentioned earlier):
Some county routes got their numbers from previous state/US highway designations, like Ramsey-49, Hennepin-122, Hennepin/Anoka-81, three different counties of County 101, and numerous instances of County 61 north of the Twin Cities. Also, part of Hennepin-152 used to be a former routing of US-52.
Sometimes a future routing will get a temporary number based off its future number, like when MN-312 existed before that freeway was completed to be US-212.
MA:
Yes, MA-203 was old MA-3... as was MA-53 and most of MA-3A (the portion of MA-3A from Kingston to Quincy was always MA-3A)
Yes, MA-228 was part of MA-128...sorta...but that part of MA-228 (Derby Rd) is no longer even MA-228 (it used to have an odd routing in that area where 228 North ran along its current routing from Exit 14, but 228 South ran along Derby Rd to Exit 15, but that was scrapped last decade - both directions now meet MA-3 at Exit 14) . It was MA-128 before the MA-3 freeway reached north enough to join it.
MA-149 was once MA-49
MA-124 was once MA-24, until the number got re-assigned to the current freeway.
And many older routings of current state routes that retain its designations as state highways carry the "A" designation, like most of the aforementioned MA-3A, and also MA-6A, MA-28A, MA-2A, etc... There is an anomaly in Seekonk where MA-114A not only was never MA-114, but it's signed that way as an alternate to **RI-114**.
Quote from: DJ Particle on May 20, 2019, 08:08:33 AM
Sometimes a future routing will get a temporary number based off its future number, like when MN-312 existed before that freeway was completed to be US-212.
Arkansas has been doing this in recent years. I-49 from Doddridge north to US 71/59 north of Texarkana was originally AR 549 (Part of the highway in Texarkana was once AR 245.) There is a completed section of Future I-49 south of Fort Smith that is signed AR 549 and two lanes of the Bella Vista bypass is also AR 549. Incidentally, the section of I-49 from I-40 to the AR 282 junction near Mountainburg was originally AR 540. At what was then the end of the freeway, AR 540 was signed along AR 282. AR 540 then ended at US 71.
There is also AR 612 (Future US 412) in Springdale. Some parts of future interstates were once spur routes. What is now the western half of the Pine Bluff I-530 bypass was opened as Spur US 65S and part of the future Monticello I-69 bypass is officially designated as Spur US 278 (I'm not sure how it is signed in the field.)
Texas has SH 75, SH 81, and SH 290 replacing segments of US highways that were truncated to the end of a long multiplex with an interstate. Beyond that, I can't think of any. TxDOT seems to just go for the next number on the list.
Quote from: DJ Particle on May 22, 2019, 04:52:58 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on May 21, 2019, 01:34:01 PM
It, along with the truncation of 128 to Braintree at the time, likely was done due to the increased usage of direction cardinals on routes throughout the state. At the time, MA simply used just the route number(s) for signage. Such created a rather awkward scenario where the then-southernmost leg of 128 (current 228) ran opposite with respect to actual direction of the road (i.e. northbound was actually south & vice-versa).
So there was a time when 128 was co-signed to (current) Exit 15 AFTER the freeway was done?
Correct. As a matter of fact & based on old MassDPW maps, between 1959 and 1963, the northern/upper portion of the Pilgrim's Highway was
initially signed as
just 128. The MA 3 designation was added after the final piece of the Pilgrim's Highway was completed. It was at this point and time that MA 3 ran along the Southeast Expressway up to Granite Ave. (Exit 11) and exited off.
The current MA 3 routing along the entire Southeast Expressway, most of the Central Artery/O'Neill Tunnel a portion of Storrow Drive, the Longfellow Bridge and Memorial Drive east of the BU Bridge dates back to 1971. At that time, the former-MA 3 alignment between the Expressway (I-93) and the former-US 1 (until 1989) in Jamaica Plain became MA 203
Quote from: DJ Particle on May 20, 2019, 08:08:33 AM
MA:
Yes, MA-203 was old MA-3... as was MA-53 and most of MA-3A (the portion of MA-3A from Kingston to Quincy was always MA-3A)
Yes, MA-228 was part of MA-128...sorta...but that part of MA-228 (Derby Street) is no longer even MA-228 (it used to have an odd routing in that area where 228 North ran along its current routing from Exit 14, but 228 South ran along Derby Street to Exit 15, but that was scrapped last decade [actually 1990s]- both directions now meet MA-3 at Exit 14) . It was MA-128 before the MA-3 freeway reached north enough to join it. [The 128 route was moved to the current 228 route in Rockland in 1961 when the current MA 3 route (Pilgrims Highway) was extended from current exit 15 to Exit 14. MA 3 was moved onto Pilgrims highway when the route was completed from Pembroke to Rockland in 1963.]
That didn't stop MassDOT from updating the obsolete signage last year:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fma53228dw617.jpg&hash=f5dc4038453c63e442b39d4745df9998e9a161b5)
A current project to widen the intersection of Derby Street and MA 53 hopefully will remove the incorrect signs.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on May 22, 2019, 03:56:29 PM
Quote from: Takumi on May 21, 2019, 11:31:55 PM
VA 13 was VA 13 (that's not a typo)
In that vein, part of (the third) US 401 was (the second) US 401 :sombrero:.
In the case of the 2 va 13s they were on the same road within a couple years and my theory is that va 13 signage from the original version may have still been up and that is why today's va 13 got its number instead of becoming va 284 which was the designation of the us 60 new route before it was fully opened.
The us 401 example was 20 years apart.
Another Virginia example is va 228 used to be va 28.
Also in Michigan M-247 was once part of M-47. The only part of the current M-47 that is part of the original M-47 is the southern most part between M-58 and M-46. M-47 use to run on a different route north of M-58. The current M-47 north of there was part or US-10 and M-47 ran on a concurrency with US-10 to the current M-84 and went on M-84's route towards Bay City. Most of M-84 and about two thirds of M-58 took over the route. M-58 was actually created after an extension of M-81 was scaled back after I-675 opened. M-81 ends at M-13 near the Grey Iron plant.
The majority of NY 415 (namely everything west of and including Painted Post) was formerly US 15.
Quote from: TheStranger on May 16, 2019, 04:24:48 AM
- NY 417 (former NY 17 before the construction of the modern parallel expressway alignment to the north)
Portions of NY 17C and NY 17M were also once part of NY 17.
Quote from: WNYroadgeek on May 26, 2019, 12:31:35 AM
The majority of NY 415 (namely everything west of and including Painted Post) was formerly US 15.
Quote from: TheStranger on May 16, 2019, 04:24:48 AM
- NY 417 (former NY 17 before the construction of the modern parallel expressway alignment to the north)
Portions of NY 17C and NY 17M were also once part of NY 17.
NY 17C has always been 17C. Old 17 (Owego — Binghamton) is now NY 434.
Similar examples:
- NY 474 (Chautauqua Co.) was old NY 74. (NY 74 was moved to Essex Co., presumably to match VT 74.)
- NY 404 (Monroe Co.) was old part of US/NY 104.
- NY 488 (Ontario Co.) was part of NY 88.
- NY 443 (Albany, Schoharie Cos.) was part of NY 43.
- NY/NJ 284 was NY/NJ 84, before I-84 came along.
Quote from: DJ Particle on May 20, 2019, 08:08:33 AM
MN (not mentioned earlier):
Some county routes got their numbers from previous state/US highway designations, like Ramsey-49, Hennepin-122, Hennepin/Anoka-81, three different counties of County 101, and numerous instances of County 61 north of the Twin Cities. Also, part of Hennepin-152 used to be a former routing of US-52.
Sometimes a future routing will get a temporary number based off its future number, like when MN-312 existed before that freeway was completed to be US-212.
Along those same lines, Blue Earth County road 69, which is actually by Mankato, is derived from US 169 and Faribault County 16, which is actually by Blue Earth, used to be US 16.
I seem to remember seeing it on a Minnesota map that there is a county road 52 on the way to Moorhead, but can't find it on Google maps.
^ Clay and Wilkin Counties (basically Moorhead to Rothsay). The other counties used county route numbers other than 52 for their segments of former US 52.
Quote from: bob7374 on May 23, 2019, 11:19:18 AM
That didn't stop MassDOT from updating the obsolete signage last year:
(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.malmeroads.net%2Fmass21c%2Fma53228dw617.jpg&hash=f5dc4038453c63e442b39d4745df9998e9a161b5)
*facepalm*
Quote from: GenExpwy on May 26, 2019, 03:03:43 AM
Quote from: WNYroadgeek on May 26, 2019, 12:31:35 AM
The majority of NY 415 (namely everything west of and including Painted Post) was formerly US 15.
Quote from: TheStranger on May 16, 2019, 04:24:48 AM
- NY 417 (former NY 17 before the construction of the modern parallel expressway alignment to the north)
Portions of NY 17C and NY 17M were also once part of NY 17.
NY 17C has always been 17C. Old 17 (Owego — Binghamton) is now NY 434.
Similar examples:
- NY 474 (Chautauqua Co.) was old NY 74. (NY 74 was moved to Essex Co., presumably to match VT 74.)
- NY 404 (Monroe Co.) was old part of US/NY 104.
- NY 488 (Ontario Co.) was part of NY 88.
- NY 443 (Albany, Schoharie Cos.) was part of NY 43.
- NY/NJ 284 was NY/NJ 84, before I-84 came along.
NY 17C from Owego to Waverly used to be NY 17 before the Southern Tier Expressway was built through that area in the 1970s. However, the 17C designation existed well before the STE (I believe as early as 1930), so I don't think it quite counts in this case.
Missouri: State routes 740 and 763 in Columbia, and 744 in Springfield. 366 and 367 are previous routings of US 66 and 67, respectfully, and 350 in the Kansas City area is a previous routing of US 50.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 22, 2019, 10:18:55 AM
Here is a couple from the California State Highway renumbering:
CA 58 replaced parts of CA 178 and US 466 but was derived from Legislative Route Number 58.
LRN 189 became CA 189.
Some obvious ones like 99, 66, 91, 60 and 299 came from previous US Route designations. Some Signed County Routes like S80 and San Bernardino County Route 66 came from US Route designations. Some Signed County Routes like J59 and J132 are obvious extensions of State Highways. N7 might be a reference to the original CA 7 or a coincidence.
Signed (L.A.) County N7 on the Palos Verdes peninsula was a direct extension of CA 107 (and SSR 107 after 1935 and SSR 7 before that); both 107 and N7 are part of Hawthorne Blvd. Also, SSR 128 replaced the original SSR 28 circa 1953, when NDOT pressured CA's Division of Highways to sign their north Lake Tahoe route as 28 to match NV's number. So the Division merely added 100 to the former route and signed it as SSR 128, later CA 128. However, they never actually adopted an alignment from Winters east to Davis; LRN 6 always had a gap there -- although IIRC, CSAA signed the county-maintained Russell Road as state route 28 between Winters (LRN 90) and Davis (LRN 7/US 99W) when they were doing such things; the signage eventually was removed -- possibly as late as the time of the renumbering.
Quote from: Konza on June 14, 2019, 07:26:53 PM
Missouri: State routes 740 and 763 in Columbia, and 744 in Springfield. 366 and 367 are previous routings of US 66 and 67, respectfully, and 350 in the Kansas City area is a previous routing of US 50.
And MO 249 in Joplin which predates I-49 by several years. It was named after a future interstate.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on May 16, 2019, 01:13:48 AM
M-227 comes to mind out Michigan having been spun off when US 27 was decommissioned.
Don't know if I replied to this or not but there is also a M-27 that was spun off of the old US-27 in Cheboygan County.
Quote from: bulldog1979 on May 16, 2019, 07:05:15 PM
In Michigan:
- the second M-10 was part of US 10;
- the current M-25 was part of US 25;
- the current M-27 was part of US 27;
- M-99 was once M-9;
- the current M-120 was part of M-20;
- M-121 was part of M-21;
- M-183 was part of CR 483;
- M-227 was once part of US 27;
- The former M-331 was once US 131;
- M-343 was a part of M-43; and
- M-553 was CR 553.
I'll leave it to others to decide if M-38's number was derived from M-35 or not.
In addition to those:
The current M-10 is (mostly) former US-10
M-1 might be derived from US-10 (M-1 replaced US-10 when the latter was relocated to the Lodge)
The current M-11 is part of the former M-114
Quote from: ftballfan on June 16, 2019, 11:38:42 PM
Quote from: bulldog1979 on May 16, 2019, 07:05:15 PM
In Michigan:
- the second M-10 was part of US 10;
- the current M-25 was part of US 25;
- the current M-27 was part of US 27;
- M-99 was once M-9;
- the current M-120 was part of M-20;
- M-121 was part of M-21;
- M-183 was part of CR 483;
- M-227 was once part of US 27;
- The former M-331 was once US 131;
- M-343 was a part of M-43; and
- M-553 was CR 553.
I'll leave it to others to decide if M-38's number was derived from M-35 or not.
In addition to those:
The current M-10 is (mostly) former US-10
M-1 might be derived from US-10 (M-1 replaced US-10 when the latter was relocated to the Lodge)
The current M-11 is part of the former M-114
In a twist of irony some of the US Routes took their numbers from Trunklines like M-16 and partially the original M-10.
Sorry for the late comment, but I just got around to reading this thread.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2019, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: TEG24601 on May 19, 2019, 03:58:58 PM
In Indiana, along the new US-24 expressway/Hoosier Heartland Highway, former routings of US-24 which still service towns or have plenty of traffic are designated x24. I believe the same is true along US-31.
The only state highways currently numbered x24 are 124 and 524, and while both derive their numbering from US 24, I can't find any previous routing of US 24 that follows those routes. Former routings through Wabash and Peru are designated as Bus US 24 (though poorly signed) and former routings through Fort Wayne, Huntington and Logansport are not designated as anything.
Former routings of US 30 and US 31 do have 900 series state routes along former routings in Fort Wayne, South Bend and Kokomo.
Add US 33 to the list of old US routings that got renumbered as SR-9xx. When US 33 was truncated at US 20 on Elkhart's south side, the portion in St. Joseph County became 933. I still wonder what was wrong with 33 running all the way to Benton Harbor, MI.
Quote from: theline on January 09, 2020, 03:51:52 AM
Sorry for the late comment, but I just got around to reading this thread.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2019, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: TEG24601 on May 19, 2019, 03:58:58 PM
In Indiana, along the new US-24 expressway/Hoosier Heartland Highway, former routings of US-24 which still service towns or have plenty of traffic are designated x24. I believe the same is true along US-31.
The only state highways currently numbered x24 are 124 and 524, and while both derive their numbering from US 24, I can't find any previous routing of US 24 that follows those routes. Former routings through Wabash and Peru are designated as Bus US 24 (though poorly signed) and former routings through Fort Wayne, Huntington and Logansport are not designated as anything.
Former routings of US 30 and US 31 do have 900 series state routes along former routings in Fort Wayne, South Bend and Kokomo.
Add US 33 to the list of old US routings that got renumbered as SR-9xx. When US 33 was truncated at US 20 on Elkhart's south side, the portion in St. Joseph County became 933. I still wonder what was wrong with 33 running all the way to Benton Harbor, MI.
Once the US 20 bypass was completed around Mishawaka/Elkhart, INDOT no longer wanted to maintain the previous routing of US 33. That would have forced US 33 to be concurrent with US 20 and then US 31 from Dunlap to Benton Harbor, and thus it was truncated to Dunlap.
Elkhart city and county took over their parts of the old routing, but St. Joseph County, Mishawaka and South Bend cities refused, so thus we have 933.
When I-95 in the DC area was rerouted along the eastern half of the Capitol Beltway (then, just I-495) during the late-70s; the portion of the Henry Shirley Highway inside the Beltway that was designated as I-95 became the current I-395.
More recently, last year; I-95 north of the PA Turnpike to US 1* in NJ became I-295 when I-95 was rerouted onto the PA Turnpike east of its crossing via the new connector ramps.
*Prior to 1994, the roughly 3-mile stretch stretch of I-95 between US 1 and where the Somerset Freeway portion of I-95 would've connected/interchanged was originally designated as I-295.
Another MA one: MA 145 was originally MA 45 prior to 1958. Such supposedly received its revised designation so that such route signage wouldn't be misinterpreted as a speed limit. This is probably the reason why MA also does not have an SR 50 or 55 in its present route log.
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 09, 2020, 10:02:21 AM
Such supposedly received its revised designation so that such route signage wouldn't be misinterpreted as a speed limit. This is the reason why MA also does not have an SR 50 or 55 in its present route log.
And yet we have MA 30 as a fairly major route... Also MA 40. I'd say take that claim with a huge grain of salt.
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on January 13, 2020, 10:19:23 AM
Quote from: PHLBOS on January 09, 2020, 10:02:21 AM
Such supposedly received its revised designation so that such route signage wouldn't be misinterpreted as a speed limit. This is the reason why MA also does not have an SR 50 or 55 in its present route log.
And yet we have MA 30 as a fairly major route... Also MA 40. I'd say take that claim with a huge grain of salt.
30 and 40 are reasonable speeds for those roads.
I used to think my dad thought I-96 was the speed limit, not the route number.
But now, I-75 does have 75 mph on much of the length in MI. And for the parts that are not posted such, it doesn't really matter, because everyone goes that fast anyway.
DE-202 is a former alignment of US-202.
Other WV examples:
- WV 114 and WV 214 used to be part of WV 14, before it was split up to avoid long multiplexes.
- WV 112 was the southern section of WV 12, which was truncated to avoid being disconnected by Virginia.
- Mercer CR 120 was formerly part of WV 20
- WV 123 was formerly Mercer CR 23
- WV 131 was formerly Harrison CR 13
- WV 270 was formerly Harrison CR 27
- WV 331 was a former alignment of US 33
Somebody mentioned MN 62 previously, as it was previously CR 62. What wasn't mentioned was that it was (probably) numbered CR 62 in the first place because it lines up with 62nd Street in Minneapolis's street grid.
Missouri has mostly been touched, but here are some additional ones:
MO 571 in Carthage (former alignment of US-71)
MO 413 (former alignment of MO-13)
MO 765 (former alignment if US-65)
Utah's SR-30 derives its number from the old numbering of what is now Nevada SR 233.
Quote from: pianocello on January 13, 2020, 08:53:48 PM
Somebody mentioned MN 62 previously, as it was previously CR 62. What wasn't mentioned was that it was (probably) numbered CR 62 in the first place because it lines up with 62nd Street in Minneapolis's street grid.
ROAD-CEPTION!!!! :-D
Quote from: DJ Particle on January 14, 2020, 01:00:07 AM
Quote from: pianocello on January 13, 2020, 08:53:48 PM
Somebody mentioned MN 62 previously, as it was previously CR 62. What wasn't mentioned was that it was (probably) numbered CR 62 in the first place because it lines up with 62nd Street in Minneapolis's street grid.
ROAD-CEPTION!!!! :-D
Petition to create I-62 now in the works. ;)
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on January 14, 2020, 01:51:26 AM
Quote from: DJ Particle on January 14, 2020, 01:00:07 AM
Quote from: pianocello on January 13, 2020, 08:53:48 PM
Somebody mentioned MN 62 previously, as it was previously CR 62. What wasn't mentioned was that it was (probably) numbered CR 62 in the first place because it lines up with 62nd Street in Minneapolis's street grid.
ROAD-CEPTION!!!! :-D
Petition to create I-62 now in the works. ;)
I love and hate everything about this proposal. :)
I-290 in Chicago is the former route of I-90. I was 8 when they rerouted I-90 from the Ike to the Kennedy, so I'm old enough to have ridden on its original route.
BC-99 derives its number from US-99 which no longer exists (and WA-99 makes it nowhere near the border either).
Arizona 80 is the former route of US 80 south and east of Benson. It continues east as New Mexico 80, which is also the former route of US 80.
When US 89 was truncated at Flagstaff, the routes south of I-40 that used to be US 89 and Alternate US 89 became Arizona 89 and 89A, respectively.
There are two spur routes off of I-19 north of Nogales that are Arizona 189 (which leads to the alternate International Border crossing) and 289, even though there is no longer any kind of route 89 anywhere near them.
Literally any state or county route named after US 66 or 99, etc.
Oklahoma's SH 325 was numbered because it originally connected to NM 325, which has since been rerouted and replaced by NM 456.
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 09, 2020, 07:57:06 AM
Quote from: theline on January 09, 2020, 03:51:52 AM
Sorry for the late comment, but I just got around to reading this thread.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2019, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: TEG24601 on May 19, 2019, 03:58:58 PM
In Indiana, along the new US-24 expressway/Hoosier Heartland Highway, former routings of US-24 which still service towns or have plenty of traffic are designated x24. I believe the same is true along US-31.
The only state highways currently numbered x24 are 124 and 524, and while both derive their numbering from US 24, I can't find any previous routing of US 24 that follows those routes. Former routings through Wabash and Peru are designated as Bus US 24 (though poorly signed) and former routings through Fort Wayne, Huntington and Logansport are not designated as anything.
Former routings of US 30 and US 31 do have 900 series state routes along former routings in Fort Wayne, South Bend and Kokomo.
Add US 33 to the list of old US routings that got renumbered as SR-9xx. When US 33 was truncated at US 20 on Elkhart's south side, the portion in St. Joseph County became 933. I still wonder what was wrong with 33 running all the way to Benton Harbor, MI.
Once the US 20 bypass was completed around Mishawaka/Elkhart, INDOT no longer wanted to maintain the previous routing of US 33. That would have forced US 33 to be concurrent with US 20 and then US 31 from Dunlap to Benton Harbor, and thus it was truncated to Dunlap.
Elkhart city and county took over their parts of the old routing, but St. Joseph County, Mishawaka and South Bend cities refused, so thus we have 933.
Yeah, I realized
why INDOT chose to truncate 33 at Dunlap, I just disagree with that decision. Like many such cases, INDOT makes perfectly good routes discontinuous to avoid maintaining them.
Quote from: theline on January 16, 2020, 07:02:46 AM
Quote from: cabiness42 on January 09, 2020, 07:57:06 AM
Quote from: theline on January 09, 2020, 03:51:52 AM
Sorry for the late comment, but I just got around to reading this thread.
Quote from: cabiness42 on May 21, 2019, 12:10:01 PM
Quote from: TEG24601 on May 19, 2019, 03:58:58 PM
In Indiana, along the new US-24 expressway/Hoosier Heartland Highway, former routings of US-24 which still service towns or have plenty of traffic are designated x24. I believe the same is true along US-31.
The only state highways currently numbered x24 are 124 and 524, and while both derive their numbering from US 24, I can't find any previous routing of US 24 that follows those routes. Former routings through Wabash and Peru are designated as Bus US 24 (though poorly signed) and former routings through Fort Wayne, Huntington and Logansport are not designated as anything.
Former routings of US 30 and US 31 do have 900 series state routes along former routings in Fort Wayne, South Bend and Kokomo.
Add US 33 to the list of old US routings that got renumbered as SR-9xx. When US 33 was truncated at US 20 on Elkhart's south side, the portion in St. Joseph County became 933. I still wonder what was wrong with 33 running all the way to Benton Harbor, MI.
Once the US 20 bypass was completed around Mishawaka/Elkhart, INDOT no longer wanted to maintain the previous routing of US 33. That would have forced US 33 to be concurrent with US 20 and then US 31 from Dunlap to Benton Harbor, and thus it was truncated to Dunlap.
Elkhart city and county took over their parts of the old routing, but St. Joseph County, Mishawaka and South Bend cities refused, so thus we have 933.
Yeah, I realized why INDOT chose to truncate 33 at Dunlap, I just disagree with that decision. Like many such cases, INDOT makes perfectly good routes discontinuous to avoid maintaining them.
I rather like that INDOT is focusing their resources on actual highways rather than Main Street and Franklin Street in Elkhart. I do wish there were a way to keep highway designations on these streets even though they are under local control, but I don't know how well that would work.
Anyone mention NB-95 yet? (comes from the fact that it continues from I-95)
Quote from: DJ Particle on January 17, 2020, 01:58:37 AM
Anyone mention NB-95 yet? (comes from the fact that it continues from I-95)
Ditto Manitoba 29, 59, 75, and 83.
Quote from: Konza on January 17, 2020, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: DJ Particle on January 17, 2020, 01:58:37 AM
Anyone mention NB-95 yet? (comes from the fact that it continues from I-95)
Ditto Manitoba 29, 59, 75, and 83.
MB-89, not 83; also 310. I also thought MB-29 was eliminated, since the US-75/MB-75 border crossing was closed and 75 was re-routed to meet I-29 at the border.
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on January 17, 2020, 12:44:09 PM
Quote from: Konza on January 17, 2020, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: DJ Particle on January 17, 2020, 01:58:37 AM
Anyone mention NB-95 yet? (comes from the fact that it continues from I-95)
Ditto Manitoba 29, 59, 75, and 83.
MB-89, not 83; also 310. I also thought MB-29 was eliminated, since the US-75/MB-75 border crossing was closed and 75 was re-routed to meet I-29 at the border.
You're correct on MB 29; when it did exist it (for over 40 years, apparently) was a continuation of I-29.
MB 83 is a continuation of US 83
It also appears MB 32 is a continuation of ND 32.
Quote from: Konza on January 17, 2020, 11:03:12 AM
Quote from: DJ Particle on January 17, 2020, 01:58:37 AM
Anyone mention NB-95 yet? (comes from the fact that it continues from I-95)
Ditto Manitoba 29, 59, 75, and 83.
I'm pretty sure the OP is looking for decommissioned or truncated routes, not the other sense of "previous route numberings". :-D
Quote from: Konza on January 17, 2020, 01:21:54 PM
MB 83 is a continuation of US 83
It also appears MB 32 is a continuation of ND 32.
Oops, I was just thinking of the ones in Minnesota, forgetting that there are going to be some in North Dakota too. :pan: