Like Northwest Arizona near I-15 are very isolated from the rest of AZ and they associate more with UT.
The Upper Peninsula of Michigan tends to run more with the Wisconsin types than the Lower Peninsula.
Northeastern North Carolina towns and cities such as Elizabeth City, Moyock, Currituck County, etc. are closer to Hampton Roads and travel there more frequently than south to metro areas in North Carolina.
A lot of residential development is occurring just over the border in the Moyock / Currituck County area, and a lot of people nowadays move there for the cheaper cost of living, and commute into Virginia daily.
You'll see a decent amount of North Carolina plates when driving in the Hampton Roads area. Not a large amount, but you'll certainly see them here and there.
Here, it's NC since we literally sit on the border and, as our former mayor put it:
https://www.godanriver.com/business/coca-cola-brand-presence-to-leave-danville/article_cdf6dde4-c989-11e7-a208-4b031dc16128.html (https://www.godanriver.com/business/coca-cola-brand-presence-to-leave-danville/article_cdf6dde4-c989-11e7-a208-4b031dc16128.html)
QuoteDanville Mayor John Gilstrap said he hates to see a company leave, but doesn't believe its departure will have a huge effect on the city.
"I do not think it will be a major impact," Gilstrap said. "As far as employees, most can easily commute to Greensboro, as many of our residents do."
Hyder AK and Point Roberts WA come to mind, both next to British Columbia and isolated from their own states.
For Hyder, the association with BC extends to doing business mainly with Canadian money (because the local bank is across the border in Stewart BC), and having its phone numbers in BC's 250 area code. There is also no road access to Hyder, except through Canada.
Superior, WI
Not really "isolated", but Hudson and the surrounding area are definitely Twin Cities suburbs, as is the Kenosha area with Chicago.
West Virginia's three easternmost counties, attached to the state against their will long ago, have much more in common with Virginia and Maryland. Unless a resident is involved in something organized on a state basis, like HS athletics or politics or such, a resident of that area will never be in any other part of the state, and v-v.
Similarly, the part of Virginia that is further west than West Virginia, the so called "Fighting 9th District" is far more associated with SE Kentucky, southern WV, and upper east Tennessee than with the rest of Virginia. Although, like the rest of the state, they all follow the Redskins, even though there are at least three teams closer. Again, very few people in that area will ever even be in any other part of Virginia.
Quote from: SP Cook on July 25, 2019, 09:17:15 AM
Similarly, the part of Virginia that is further west than West Virginia, the so called "Fighting 9th District" is far more associated with SE Kentucky, southern WV, and upper east Tennessee than with the rest of Virginia. Although, like the rest of the state, they all follow the Redskins, even though there are at least three teams closer. Again, very few people in that area will ever even be in any other part of Virginia.
I checked out of curiosity and it looks like some of them may have as many as EIGHT closer NFL teams: Panthers, Falcons, Titans, Bengals, Colts, Browns, Steelers, and if you go all the way to the Tennessee state line on US 58, the Lions are about five miles closer by straight-line distance.
Northern Virginia has more in common with Boston, MA than South Boston, VA, and it's not even close (I picked a quirky example of course). This is my way of saying that close-in Northern VA has everything to do with the Northeastern urbanized corridor, and very little to do with the rural downstate areas.
Fishers Island, NY. It's 2 miles off the coast of Groton, CT and is closer to Providence geographically than NYC. It's a member of the Archdiocese of Norwich, plays CT schools in sports, sends its garbage to CT, and even has a CT formatted ZIP code (06390). However, it falls under Southold jurisdiction for policing, which means police have to take the Orient Point ferry to New London, then take another ferry from there.
Quote from: LM117 on July 25, 2019, 05:02:45 AM
"As far as employees, most can easily commute to Greensboro, as many of our residents do."
That's an hour drive each way. I'm sure a lot of people don't do that, maybe some but that's it.
Ontario/Vale/Nyssa Oregon are basically just Idaho. We even used to play them in high school sports
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"As far as employees, most can easily commute to Greensboro, as many of our residents do."
That's an hour drive each way. I'm sure a lot of people don't do that, maybe some but that's it.
It's not that unbelievable. The local economy here is in the shitter and more jobs have been lost since that article was printed. Telvista shut down not too long ago and IKEA just announced that they're shutting down their plant here in December, which means 300 people are fixing to have a not-so-merry Christmas. A lot of retail jobs have also been lost since then (Kmart, Sears, Toys R Us, Dick's Sporting Goods, Petco, Save-a-Lot, LifeWay Christian Store).
On top of the shitty economy, we pay one of the highest utility rates in the state:
https://www.godanriver.com/business/danville-electric-rates-second-highest-in-state-most-expensive-among/article_9ff60ad6-1377-11e8-8d4e-c701363b5913.html (https://www.godanriver.com/business/danville-electric-rates-second-highest-in-state-most-expensive-among/article_9ff60ad6-1377-11e8-8d4e-c701363b5913.html)
There's been a proposal to bring in a casino, but the bible-thumpers are raising hell over it. State sen. Bill Stanley opposes the casino, since he thinks it will give the impression that Danville is dying. Newsflash, genius: Danville IS dying! :pan:
https://www.godanriver.com/business/casino-would-send-message-that-danville-is-dying-stanley-says/article_d2d66d08-5a4b-11e9-9356-0376df9b0af5.html (https://www.godanriver.com/business/casino-would-send-message-that-danville-is-dying-stanley-says/article_d2d66d08-5a4b-11e9-9356-0376df9b0af5.html)
I'd argue that Danville is dead, not dying, but that's another discussion.
I would guess that both Needles & Blythe, CA associate more with Arizona than California.
For that matter, I would probably include Winterhaven as well.
Quote from: Mark68 on July 25, 2019, 01:19:19 PM
I would guess that both Needles & Blythe, CA associate more with Arizona than California.
For that matter, I would probably include Winterhaven as well.
But all three are connected by Interstates with the rest of California. Not exactly "isolated".
Quote from: oscar on July 25, 2019, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: Mark68 on July 25, 2019, 01:19:19 PM
I would guess that both Needles & Blythe, CA associate more with Arizona than California.
For that matter, I would probably include Winterhaven as well.
But all three are connected by Interstates with the rest of California. Not exactly "isolated".
They are isolated in the length of the drive across desert to get to them (especially Needles). Although, in Winterhaven's case, the drive between there and the populated parts of the Imperial Valley is not so bad. However, its location just across the river from Yuma probably is a highly contributing factor to Winterhaven's "isolation".
Quote from: AlexandriaVA on July 25, 2019, 01:04:32 PM
I'd argue that Danville is dead, not dying, but that's another discussion.
No argument from me. It's toast.
The very tip of Long Island (the end of I-495 is not far enough) supports the Red Sox more than the two New York baseball teams. Combined with precinct voting patterns, this makes me think that the tip of Long Island associates with Rhode Island more than New York. I'm not sure, though.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on July 25, 2019, 11:46:27 AM
Fishers Island, NY. It's 2 miles off the coast of Groton, CT and is closer to Providence geographically than NYC. It's a member of the Archdiocese of Norwich, plays CT schools in sports, sends its garbage to CT, and even has a CT formatted ZIP code (06390). However, it falls under Southold jurisdiction for policing, which means police have to take the Orient Point ferry to New London, then take another ferry from there.
I'd think Block Island, RI (municipality of New Shoreham, to be technical) would be isolated from the rest of the state, as one has to take the ferry to reach it. I can't think of any place in CT that would fit this topic!
As for the zip code thingy? That
IS quite odd! I know that Kittery, ME, along with one or two other towns in southern York County near Portsmouth have zip codes of 039xx. Every other area in Maine has zip codes of 04xxx. All of Connecticut's 169 municipalities use 06xxx, the last time I checked. (05xxx for Vermont and 03xxx for New Hampshire)
Most of Alpine County, CA lies east of the Sierra Crest. CA 4 is closed all winter and travel over CA 88 is often difficult, though the CA 89 connection to South Lake Tahoe is almost always open. There are elementary schools in Alpine County but no high school, and high school kids in Markleeville, the county seat, are sent by bus to Douglas High School in Minden, NV.
I would also say "anybody who lives along CA 266 in the Fish Lake Valley" and it's true but you can probably count the permanent residents on your fingers and toes.
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Superior, WI
Based on my experiences as a resident I don't really agree. There's a lot of Wisconsin pride in Superior and they're very invested in Wisconsin issues.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 25, 2019, 07:47:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on July 25, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
Superior, WI
Based on my experiences as a resident I don't really agree. There's a lot of Wisconsin pride in Superior and they're very invested in Wisconsin issues.
True, but the flip side of that is some resentment that Madison doesn't care about anyone north of WI 29.
Here's a good one: The NYC area is isolated from the rest of New York state, and associates more with New Jersey and Connecticut.
:popcorn:
Quote from: gonealookin on July 25, 2019, 05:06:24 PM
Most of Alpine County, CA lies east of the Sierra Crest. CA 4 is closed all winter and travel over CA 88 is often difficult, though the CA 89 connection to South Lake Tahoe is almost always open. There are elementary schools in Alpine County but no high school, and high school kids in Markleeville, the county seat, are sent by bus to Douglas High School in Minden, NV.
I would also say "anybody who lives along CA 266 in the Fish Lake Valley" and it's true but you can probably count the permanent residents on your fingers and toes.
For most part you could say Mono and Inyo County on the whole are much more like Nevada than the rest of California. That giant barrier with the High Sierras certainly makes life out there far more different than most of California. Accessibility is largely along the corridor of US 395 with almost no all-year access across the mountains.
Perhaps Bristol, VA being closer to Bristol, TN and the northern TN cities?
Not too familiar with the area, but makes sense looking on a map.
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on July 24, 2019, 10:07:14 PM
Like Northwest Arizona near I-15 are very isolated from the rest of AZ and they associate more with UT.
That's because many, if not most of the few people (roughly 5000 people in Beaver Dam, Littlefield, and Scenic) who live in the area are Mormon. Besides I-15, the only marked highway is Mohave County Rt. 91 (old US 91).
Quote from: thspfc on July 25, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
Not really "isolated", but Hudson and the surrounding area are definitely Twin Cities suburbs, as is the Kenosha area with Chicago.
For quite a few years, Kenosha was put in with the Chicago media market, but I believe that was changed to Milwaukee quite a while ago. I don't believe Kenosha residents ever considered themselves a part of the Chicago area.
Another area that is part of metro Chicago, isn't physically isolated from the rest of Indiana, but definitely is politically and demographically, is the area of northwest Indiana that butts up with the southern end of Lake Michigan: Lake, Porter, and LaPorte Counties (major cities Gary, Hammond, Merrillville, Valparaiso, and Michigan City), aka the Calumet Region or "The Region."
Downstate Indiana considers them a de facto part of Illinois, not the Hoosier State. They're in the Chicago media market, tend to vote Democratic while most of the state is Republican, is heavily Catholic in a mostly Protestant state, and has a history of ethnic neighborhoods like Chicago.
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Quote from: thspfc on July 25, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
Not really "isolated", but Hudson and the surrounding area are definitely Twin Cities suburbs, as is the Kenosha area with Chicago.
For quite a few years, Kenosha was put in with the Chicago media market, but I believe that was changed to Milwaukee quite a while ago. I don't believe Kenosha residents ever considered themselves a part of the Chicago area.
Another area that is part of metro Chicago, isn't physically isolated from the rest of Indiana, but definitely is politically and demographically, is the area of northwest Indiana that butts up with the southern end of Lake Michigan: Lake, Porter, and LaPorte Counties (major cities Gary, Hammond, Merrillville, Valparaiso, and Michigan City), aka the Calumet Region or "The Region."
Downstate Indiana considers them a de facto part of Illinois, not the Hoosier State. They're in the Chicago media market, tend to vote Democratic while most of the state is Republican, is heavily Catholic in a mostly Protestant state, and has a history of ethnic neighborhoods like Chicago.
Regarding Kenosha, I've lived there almost my entire life except for a few years in Madison. I would say that there is definitely a split between the long-time Kenoshans who associate more with Wisconsin and the more recent "moved to Kenosha from Illinois (but probably still work in Illinois)" people who associate more with Illinois.
I think that Kenosha is still a part of the Chicago Metro Statistical area and it does have the northern most METRA station, the only stop in Wisconsin. On the weekends there are tons of people coming up from Illinois to shop at the outlet mall or downtown Kenosha and the lakefront. There is probably less of a "Wisconsin feel" in Kenosha than there is in Racine, for example, but I think long-time residents still feel more of a connection with Wisconsin.
An international example: Estcourt Station, ME is more closely tied to Pohénégamook, QC than to the rest of Maine. It's actually a strip of houses that was cut off from the rest of the town when the border was properly surveyed; in fact, the border passes through some of the houses! They receive electricity from Hydro Québec and other services from Pohénégamook. Telephones use the Québec area code 418. It is not accessible from the rest of Maine except via hundreds of miles of difficult to traverse (at best) private logging roads. There are no permanent year-round residents at this time, though some people do reside there in the summer. There is a gas station, which displays prices in Canadian dollars per liter. Said station (and the town) were made famous by the Michel Jalbert incident, in which a man was arrested and imprisoned for 35 days for illegally buying gas without reporting to US customs. The border post is down the road (requiring people to turn around) and only open a few hours on certain days, meaning that residents can't even legally leave their homes between 5 PM Friday and 9 AM Monday.
The Idaho Panhandle? The only route is the mostly 2-lane US 95 and they are part of the Spokane media market.
Quote from: RoadMaster09 on July 26, 2019, 02:02:18 PM
The Idaho Panhandle? The only route is the mostly 2-lane US 95 and they are part of the Spokane media market.
I would argue the opposite – rural WA and OR belong in Idaho.
Surprised there's no mention of Wendover, Utah here. They're so attached to their neighboring community of West Wendover, Nevada, they nearly got to secede and join Nevada but it was blocked by Congress.
On another note, here in North Carolina, Brunswick County seems to identify closer with the Grand Strand in SC then it does with Wilmington, and this is reflected in its switch to the Grand Strand's MSA.
Quote from: index on July 26, 2019, 02:37:31 PM
On another note, here in North Carolina, Brunswick County seems to identify closer with the Grand Strand in SC then it does with Wilmington, and this is reflected in its switch to the Grand Strand's MSA.
Even the eastern parts that are on the other side of the river from Downtown Wilmington?
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on July 26, 2019, 01:55:06 AM
Quote from: thspfc on July 25, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
Not really "isolated", but Hudson and the surrounding area are definitely Twin Cities suburbs, as is the Kenosha area with Chicago.
For quite a few years, Kenosha was put in with the Chicago media market, but I believe that was changed to Milwaukee quite a while ago. I don't believe Kenosha residents ever considered themselves a part of the Chicago area.
Another area that is part of metro Chicago, isn't physically isolated from the rest of Indiana, but definitely is politically and demographically, is the area of northwest Indiana that butts up with the southern end of Lake Michigan: Lake, Porter, and LaPorte Counties (major cities Gary, Hammond, Merrillville, Valparaiso, and Michigan City), aka the Calumet Region or "The Region."
Downstate Indiana considers them a de facto part of Illinois, not the Hoosier State. They're in the Chicago media market, tend to vote Democratic while most of the state is Republican, is heavily Catholic in a mostly Protestant state, and has a history of ethnic neighborhoods like Chicago.
While Northwest Indiana is very much a part of the Chicago area, the majority of people here most definitely do not associate more with Illinois than Indiana. Many people in this area relocated from Illinois to escape the suffocating taxes from a corrupt state.
Quote from: sprjus4 on July 26, 2019, 03:30:18 PM
Quote from: index on July 26, 2019, 02:37:31 PM
On another note, here in North Carolina, Brunswick County seems to identify closer with the Grand Strand in SC then it does with Wilmington, and this is reflected in its switch to the Grand Strand's MSA.
Even the eastern parts that are on the other side of the river from Downtown Wilmington?
Well obviously not those. If you live in Leland or Belville you're going to associate more with ILM. I was thinking more of Shalotte, OIB, etc... This is also based from a bunch of comments in an article I had read about it a few years back that had a few people from the county saying it's better off that Brunswick be lumped in with the Myrtle Beach MSA.
Quote from: RoadMaster09 on July 26, 2019, 02:02:18 PM
The Idaho Panhandle? The only route is the mostly 2-lane US 95 and they are part of the Spokane media market.
I agree. Northern Idaho and Southern Idaho (splitting somewhere around Riggins) feel like 2 different states (you could even argue 3, splitting SW and SE, though those are well connected so I'll stick with 2). We don't really "associate" with each other that much. People from CDA, Moscow, Lewiston, etc. interact with Washington much more than with Southern Idaho. And SW Idaho associates with Oregon more than with Northern Idaho (though more like, SE Oregon associates with Idaho). And SE Idaho associates with Utah and Wyoming. Being in different time zones (which I'm all for, makes sense in this situation) only makes it feel more true. Someone from Idaho Falls probably has little care for CDA or Lewiston, and probably deals with Salt Lake City or Ogden much more (possibly even more than Boise).
Yep. The southern part of Brunswick County is basically Myrtle Beach north. The sprawl from Myrtle Beach has long gone into Calabash, Sunset Beach, and other areas.
But there is a big buffer between that and Shallotte, and Wilmington itself.
None of MB's TV stations are offered anymore in Brunswick County, even though Little River, the last town in SC going up US 17, is only 50 miles from downtown Wilmington. Until 2008, WECT, the NBC in Wilmington, was offered all the way to Pawleys Island, over a 100 mile drive from Wilmington (before they got their NBC in Myrtle Beach).
The three strongest FM stations in Wilmington (91.3 WHQR, 97.3 WMNX, 102.7 WGNI) all have their transmitters in Brunswick County and can easily be heard in Myrtle Beach and further south. In fact, WHQR (Wilmington's public radio station) has two translators in Myrtle Beach.
Talking about SC, York County, especially the Rock Hill and Fort Mill areas, are basically Charlotte south. They don't have very many ties with the rest of South Carolina, especially down here in the Lowcountry. You can tell because they support the Carolina Panthers more than the college teams, which isn't the case in the rest of SC.
Quote from: Sctvhound on July 26, 2019, 04:02:50 PM
Talking about SC, York County, especially the Rock Hill and Fort Mill areas, are basically Charlotte south. They don't have very many ties with the rest of South Carolina, especially down here in the Lowcountry. You can tell because they support the Carolina Panthers more than the college teams, which isn't the case in the rest of SC.
Yeah, definitely. I knew a few people who lived in South Carolina but would commute here to Union County in NC for work. With the Panthers' HQ moving down to SC in Rock Hill that solidifies its status of 'Charlotte South' even more.
Quote from: Rothman on July 25, 2019, 10:07:11 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 25, 2019, 07:47:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on July 25, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
Superior, WI
Based on my experiences as a resident I don't really agree. There's a lot of Wisconsin pride in Superior and they're very invested in Wisconsin issues.
True, but the flip side of that is some resentment that Madison doesn't care about anyone north of WI 29.
Yeah, but my point was the local response to that problem is typically to go to Madison and bitch about it, rather than saying "fuck them, let's just pretend to be part of Duluth."
Quote from: KeithE4Phx on July 26, 2019, 01:55:06 AM
Quote from: thspfc on July 25, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
Not really "isolated", but Hudson and the surrounding area are definitely Twin Cities suburbs, as is the Kenosha area with Chicago.
For quite a few years, Kenosha was put in with the Chicago media market, but I believe that was changed to Milwaukee quite a while ago. I don't believe Kenosha residents ever considered themselves a part of the Chicago area.
Another area that is part of metro Chicago, isn't physically isolated from the rest of Indiana, but definitely is politically and demographically, is the area of northwest Indiana that butts up with the southern end of Lake Michigan: Lake, Porter, and LaPorte Counties (major cities Gary, Hammond, Merrillville, Valparaiso, and Michigan City), aka the Calumet Region or "The Region."
Downstate Indiana considers them a de facto part of Illinois, not the Hoosier State. They're in the Chicago media market, tend to vote Democratic while most of the state is Republican, is heavily Catholic in a mostly Protestant state, and has a history of ethnic neighborhoods like Chicago.
and they are also in Central time.
Quote from: webny99 on July 25, 2019, 11:02:49 PM
Here's a good one: The NYC area is isolated from the rest of New York state, and associates more with New Jersey and Connecticut.
:popcorn:
Along those lines, most of lower Fairfield County is more of an extension of Westchester County than it is part of the core of CT. Basically anything south and west of CT 58 and south of Danbury.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 26, 2019, 04:27:16 PM
Quote from: Rothman on July 25, 2019, 10:07:11 PM
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on July 25, 2019, 07:47:57 PM
Quote from: thspfc on July 25, 2019, 08:13:45 AM
Superior, WI
Based on my experiences as a resident I don't really agree. There's a lot of Wisconsin pride in Superior and they're very invested in Wisconsin issues.
True, but the flip side of that is some resentment that Madison doesn't care about anyone north of WI 29.
Yeah, but my point was the local response to that problem is typically to go to Madison and bitch about it, rather than saying "fuck them, let's just pretend to be part of Duluth."
Yeah. In fact, Superior sort of takes pride in having that ugly sister identity separate from Duluth.
I took part in the complaining in Madison, too ("Superior Days").
It's not physically isolated from the rest of the state, but the northernmost part of Kentucky (Boone, Kenton and Campbell counties) seems more like Ohio than Kentucky.
Quote from: 1 on July 26, 2019, 02:08:43 PM
Quote from: RoadMaster09 on July 26, 2019, 02:02:18 PM
The Idaho Panhandle? The only route is the mostly 2-lane US 95 and they are part of the Spokane media market.
I would argue the opposite – rural WA and OR belong in Idaho.
This gets at the core question of whether the smaller place is always dependent on the bigger one. It really depends on how you measure.
In the case of NYC, it's small in area, but very densely populated, hence my comment about it being part of Jersey and Connecticut, which was not to be taken seriously. But what if Jersey was part of PA, or Connecticut was part of Massachusetts? Then those areas of both states would be perfect textbook examples for this thread.
Places like Northern Idaho, which om the other hand are sparsely populated and potentially, but not necessarily, small in area, are also good candidates for the thread.
Quote from: webny99 on July 25, 2019, 11:02:49 PM
Here's a good one: The NYC area is isolated from the rest of New York state, and associates more with New Jersey and Connecticut.
:popcorn:
Lol that was spicy. I enjoyed it.
Quote from: Sctvhound on July 26, 2019, 04:02:50 PM
Yep. The southern part of Brunswick County is basically Myrtle Beach north. The sprawl from Myrtle Beach has long gone into Calabash, Sunset Beach, and other areas.
Having just been to Brunswick County, NC, this makes sense to me. You might even call southern Brunswick "North North Myrtle Beach." :-P It's really unusual that most of the populated sprawl there is in the northeastern and southwestern portions of the county, whereas the county's government is placed in a centrally-located tiny town strung between the two populated regions. And each of those opposing population centers associate more with a different state, even.
The northern part is basically Wilmington itself. Leland and Belville are basically across the river from Wilmington. Less than 5 miles. From the Cape Fear River bridge it is 49 miles to the SC line, all in one county.
The county was at 73K in 2000, now almost 140K in 2018.
Horry County is 1,255 square miles, Brunswick County 1,050. Both larger than the state of RI.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on July 26, 2019, 08:25:09 PM
Having just been to Brunswick County, NC, this makes sense to me. You might even call southern Brunswick "North North Myrtle Beach." :-P It's really unusual that most of the populated sprawl there is in the northeastern and southwestern portions of the county, whereas the county's government is placed in a centrally-located tiny town strung between the two populated regions. And each of those opposing population centers associate more with a different state, even.
And now the area between the state line and Shallote are getting South Carolina's Carolina Bays Parkway brought up to them!
They'll have a direct freeway connection to Myrtle Beach, but not the northern end of their county. Until they extend the freeway eventually up to I-140, but that's a different story and in fictional territory.
Quote from: hbelkins on July 26, 2019, 06:23:13 PM
It's not physically isolated from the rest of the state, but the northernmost part of Kentucky (Boone, Kenton and Campbell counties) seems more like Ohio than Kentucky.
Along those lines, I'd say that the Southern OH counties of Lawrence, Scioto, and Jackson associate more with KY or WV, especially right on the Ohio River. I did not include Gallia County, which IMO is quintessential Ohio, since it's the home of Bob Evans Farms.
The Ashland area is definitely NOT isolated from the rest of KY. They follow the Kentucky Wildcats just as religiously as the rest of the state (if not more), and a few of the area cable systems carry the newscasts of WKYT and WLEX out of Lexington.
The Plattsburgh NY area which associates more with Vermont than with NY state.
Another one I can think of in Virginia is the Eastern Shore. My dad and his people are from Northampton County (Eastville) and they said that they might as well be part of Maryland since the only time VA remembers them is during tax time and elections. They can't be far from the truth since there have been times I've seen images of the state on weather broadcasts, T-shirts, etc. that didn't include the Eastern Shore.
Quote from: steviep24 on July 27, 2019, 07:10:51 AM
The Plattsburgh NY area which associates more with Vermont than with NY state.
I find that hard to believe.
Williamston and Ahoskie are lonely cities and with declining population. There's not much to do there and they are very isolated with low population.
Maybe it isn't "isolated" in the strictest sense of the word, but Franklin County, Idaho might as well be in Utah. I've been there a few times and there's pretty much no difference between the Utah and Idaho sides of the Cache Valley. In addition, Franklin is included with Cache County, UT in the Logan metropolitan area. That region is also heavily Mormon, and I wouldn't be surprised if Franklin County residents associated more with the Wasatch Front than even nearby Pocatello.
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 27, 2019, 09:12:07 PM
Williamston and Ahoskie are lonely cities and with declining population. There's not much to do there and they are very isolated with low population.
While that might be true I don't think that exactly fits the bill of the thread, as they're still very much associated with NC, also being part of the 'Inner Banks' region.
Quote from: index on July 28, 2019, 06:15:47 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 27, 2019, 09:12:07 PM
Williamston and Ahoskie are lonely cities and with declining population. There's not much to do there and they are very isolated with low population.
While that might be true I don't think that exactly fits the bill of the thread, as they're still very much associated with NC, also being part of the 'Inner Banks' region.
So, maybe Emporia or Elizabeth city?
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 28, 2019, 11:36:15 AM
Quote from: index on July 28, 2019, 06:15:47 AM
Quote from: mrhappy1261 on July 27, 2019, 09:12:07 PM
Williamston and Ahoskie are lonely cities and with declining population. There's not much to do there and they are very isolated with low population.
While that might be true I don't think that exactly fits the bill of the thread, as they're still very much associated with NC, also being part of the 'Inner Banks' region.
So, maybe Emporia or Elizabeth city?
Elizabeth City somewhat, they associate a lot with Hampton Roads.
Moyock, a growing town (thanks to sprawl and residential development spilling from Virginia) is located right over the border on NC-168, and most definitely is associated with Hampton Roads.
Can't say too much about Emporia as my knowledge isn't strong on that city. It is only 40 minutes from Petersburg and an hour from Richmond, comparable to Elizabeth City with Hampton Roads, but that's within the same state.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on July 25, 2019, 01:26:28 AM
The Upper Peninsula of Michigan tends to run more with the Wisconsin types than the Lower Peninsula.
The
central and
western U.P. is definitely that way - from about Munising/Manistique west is closer to Milwaukee and Madison than Lansing and Detroit. For example, you get more Packers fans than Lions fans. Houghton and Marquette have a large number of college students from the Lower Peninsula, which helps keeps a Michigan connection. But folks drive to Green Bay, Wausau, Duluth, or Minneapolis to shop rather than a Lower Peninsula location.
The eastern U.P. is physically closer to Lower Peninsula markets, and the residents tend to identify more with the Lower Peininsula. Radio and television markets are tied to the Traverse City area, for example (if not the Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario market).
From Munising to Newberry and south is mostly forest with few residents, which results in a Central/Western U.P. cluster and a (much smaller) Eastern U.P. cluster. Then there's Wakefield/Bessemer/Ironwood, which are in Duluth TV markets and within a 4 hour drive of the Twin Cities. To them, Detroit might as well be in another country.
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The Plattsburgh NY area which associates more with Vermont than with NY state.
I find that hard to believe.
I have only been to the Plattsburgh area once, but in general the North Country and Vermont have a lot more in common with each other, than they do with Western and Central NY.
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The Idaho Panhandle? The only route is the mostly 2-lane US 95 and they are part of the Spokane media market.
I would argue the opposite – rural WA and OR belong in Idaho.
Part of Southeastern Oregon is more closely tied to Boise, but the rest of Eastern WA and Northeastern OR are more closely tied with communities in WA (Spokane, Tri-Cities, Walla Walla, etc.)
It would be quite silly for Central WA to be part of Idaho, though. Wenatchee and the Yakima Valley have close ties to the Puget Sound region and would probably be unhappier to be ruled by far-flung Boise.
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The Plattsburgh NY area which associates more with Vermont than with NY state.
I find that hard to believe.
I have only been to the Plattsburgh area once, but in general the North Country and Vermont have a lot more in common with each other, than they do with Western and Central NY.
I still don't believe those in the Daks think that they're more of a part of Vermont than New York.
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The Plattsburgh NY area which associates more with Vermont than with NY state.
I find that hard to believe.
I have only been to the Plattsburgh area once, but in general the North Country and Vermont have a lot more in common with each other, than they do with Western and Central NY.
I still don't believe those in the Daks think that they're more of a part of Vermont than New York.
No, but that doesn't mean they have more in common with other parts of New York than they do with Vermont.
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The Plattsburgh NY area which associates more with Vermont than with NY state.
I find that hard to believe.
I have only been to the Plattsburgh area once, but in general the North Country and Vermont have a lot more in common with each other, than they do with Western and Central NY.
I still don't believe those in the Daks think that they're more of a part of Vermont than New York.
No, but that doesn't mean they have more in common with other parts of New York than they do with Vermont.
They certainly don't associate themselves with Vermont, which is where this discussion started.
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I have only been to the Plattsburgh area once, but in general the North Country and Vermont have a lot more in common with each other, than they do with Western and Central NY.
I still don't believe those in the Daks think that they're more of a part of Vermont than New York.
No, but that doesn't mean they have more in common with other parts of New York than they do with Vermont.
They certainly don't associate themselves with Vermont, which is where this discussion started.
To an "outsider" (of sorts) the area has a lot in common with Vermont. Maybe
steviep24 should have phrased it differently, so it was clear that he is the one associating Plattsburgh with Vermont, not Plattsburgh residents themselves.
Is the Northern Panhandle of WV more associated with PA do to the fact the TV and radio markets are from Pittsburgh?
One serious issue that comes up is with health insurance. I live in Nevada, about 1.5 miles from the CA/NV state line. There's a basic clinic in Nevada near where I live but no hospital. A few years ago something came up that eventually required surgery. Initially my appointments were scheduled at the hospital in South Lake Tahoe, CA, which is just a few miles from my house, but upon double-checking the insurance I verified that I wasn't covered for anything non-emergency in a California hospital. So the procedure had to be done, much less conveniently for me, at the hospital in Carson City, which is more than 25 miles from my house. I'm sure there are examples that are much worse than mine.
Quote from: index on July 26, 2019, 02:37:31 PM
Surprised there's no mention of Wendover, Utah here. They're so attached to their neighboring community of West Wendover, Nevada, they nearly got to secede and join Nevada but it was blocked by Congress.
You could also argue the other way, because West Wendover is the only part of Nevada to be officially in the Mountain time zone — due to strong economic ties with the Wasatch Front in Utah. West Wendover exists because people from the populated parts of Utah make the 120-mile drive across the deserts to the nearest location with gambling and cheap booze (and soon, dispensaries).
Although Wendover doesn’t have any of those (and isn’t doing as well economically), it does still benefit from the SLC casino traffic because Utah has substantially lower hotel and gas taxes than Nevada. As evidence of this, all the chain hotels/motels in the area are east of the line.
Quote from: roadman65 on July 29, 2019, 10:59:36 PM
Is the Northern Panhandle of WV more associated with PA do to the fact the TV and radio markets are from Pittsburgh?
Not so much. Actually the northern panhandle has its own TV and radio markets, although Pittsburgh stations come in just fine. The place was way more populated when TV stations were allocated and is certainly on the list of places that would not have their own set if stations were allocated today. Pittsburgh stations do not cover WV news at all, excepting WVU sports, as WVU has almost as many students from metro Pittsburgh as it does from WV.
In sports, of course it is Steelers/Pirates. But that is the way WV, with no teams of its own, is. Steelers/Pirates on the north edge; Ravens/Orioles-Redskins/Nats in the eastern panhandle, Reds/Bengals in the main part, with some pre-Bengals Browns remnants in the main part and some Redskins and Panthers near the Virginia border in the south edge.
What is left in that area is culturally and economically similar to the rest of steel country, pretty bombed out and no real hope of being economically significant again. And the ethnic mix is much more like northern cities, which is to say ethnic based neighborhoods of people who self-identify as "hyphenated Americans" than central Appalachia, which is to say people of Scots-Irish, Scotish, Irish, English, Welsh, and German decent, with some Italian, eastern European, and Spanish mixed in, who have all mixed together and mostly self-identify as "American" and really don't care about all that.
However, the northern panhandle has always had a grossly outsized influence on WV, particularly in politics, which is the main reason it not as oriented to Pittsburgh as it might be.
Honestly, the whole vibe I get from the river cities and counties in West Virginia is much more "northern panhandle" than anywhere else. Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me like Huntington has more in common with Parkersburg, Wheeling, Weirton, etc., than it does with Williamson or Logan, which are much closer.
Being someone that lives in central Texas, El Paso seems very removed from Texas. Its in the mountains, in another time zone and so isolated from the majority of the populated areas of Texas by hundreds of miles of desert. To me I more identify El Paso with New Mexico and Arizona than with Texas. I feel the same about Amarillo having more in common with Oklahoma and Kansas than Texas. That's an Austinite looking out, you would have to ask someone from there if that's all true. Either place when I cross the Texas state line in Anthony, TX or in the northern reaches of the panhandle, its the happiest and most depressing thing ever. Happy that I am back in Texas, but depressed that I am still very far from home.
Would Bristol County, MA count? It includes Attleboro and Fall River, but both associate with Providence, RI.
Northwest Arkansas is culturally very different from the rest of the state, and that's from being isolated by the mountains for so many years with little more than a 2-lane US highway connecting it with the River Valley.
Benton County has more of a Midwestern feel and in fact was very different politically, voting more like Kansas than the yellow dog rest of the state (before it all flipped red).
The only thing NWA had that the rest of the state cared about was the university, and even then for years the Razorbacks played four "home" games in Little Rock. Finishing I-540 (now I-49) was a game changer.
I am going to guess that Southwest Georgia is more associated with Tallahassee in Florida than its own main core in Macon-Atlanta, and of course Savanah. However, I imagine also Jasper County, SC and even Hilton Head is more associated with Savanah especially that the airport in Savanah is called Savanah- Hilton Head Island Airport.
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I have only been to the Plattsburgh area once, but in general the North Country and Vermont have a lot more in common with each other, than they do with Western and Central NY.
I still don't believe those in the Daks think that they're more of a part of Vermont than New York.
No, but that doesn't mean they have more in common with other parts of New York than they do with Vermont.
They certainly don't associate themselves with Vermont, which is where this discussion started.
To an "outsider" (of sorts) the area has a lot in common with Vermont. Maybe steviep24 should have phrased it differently, so it was clear that he is the one associating Plattsburgh with Vermont, not Plattsburgh residents themselves.
I live in the North Country. We certainly don't associate ourselves with Vermont... or anywhere else, for that matter. If anything, we associate more with Canada, but that's a stretch too.
Drive around in the North Country, then drive around in Vermont. Nothing alike. Vermont actually prides itself on beautification and natural beauty, for one, while the North Country is poor, with run-down buildings and overgrown weeds everywhere. It's long been said that this area is recession-proof because it's always in a recession. The two regions aren't even politically alike, either.
Compare the North Country to Nevada, and then compare it to Vermont. They're not identical, but you can tell you're in the same general region. The North Country is beautiful as well, and has similar scenery. It's just not as pristine and well-maintained as Vermont.
It's true the North Country is different politically than Vermont - increasingly so - but consider that education was the #1 predictor in 2016, and it's no surprise that much of the North Country turned red while Vermont remained blue.
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Honestly, the whole vibe I get from the river cities and counties in West Virginia is much more "northern panhandle" than anywhere else. Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me like Huntington has more in common with Parkersburg, Wheeling, Weirton, etc., than it does with Williamson or Logan, which are much closer.
I get what you are saying, but the flat-er parts of WV (there ain't no flat part) which is along the Ohio, Monongalia, and Kanawha and much more industrial (steel, aluminium, and chemicals) than coal oriented do have something of a more rust belt-ish vibe, but I can see the distinction between the actual north and central Appalachia. To me the transition is somewhere on WV 2 between Parkersburg and New Martinsville.
In the south, or what I call the main part of WV, while the towns are industrial, or perhaps post-industrial, the family background of most people is central Appalachian, be it one generation or four. They, or their great grandfather, moved from some place like Logan to some place like Huntington for a better life. In the northern edge, the ethnic background of the people in the city, and of the people in the nearby countryside who might move to those cities, is far different.
I can say the same thing about places like Lexington, Ashland, Ironton, Bristol-Kingsport-Johnson City, Roanoke-Lynchburg, or even the Carolina Piedmont and further south along the Appalachian crest, even Cincinnati all of which I feel (as a person who did just that, moved from rural central Appalachia to the nearest city for a better life) far more at home in that I do in northern WV.
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Honestly, the whole vibe I get from the river cities and counties in West Virginia is much more "northern panhandle" than anywhere else. Maybe it's just me, but it seems to me like Huntington has more in common with Parkersburg, Wheeling, Weirton, etc., than it does with Williamson or Logan, which are much closer.
I get what you are saying, but the flat-er parts of WV (there ain't no flat part) which is along the Ohio, Monongalia, and Kanawha and much more industrial (steel, aluminium, and chemicals) than coal oriented do have something of a more rust belt-ish vibe, but I can see the distinction between the actual north and central Appalachia. To me the transition is somewhere on WV 2 between Parkersburg and New Martinsville.
In the south, or what I call the main part of WV, while the towns are industrial, or perhaps post-industrial, the family background of most people is central Appalachian, be it one generation or four. They, or their great grandfather, moved from some place like Logan to some place like Huntington for a better life. In the northern edge, the ethnic background of the people in the city, and of the people in the nearby countryside who might move to those cities, is far different.
I can say the same thing about places like Lexington, Ashland, Ironton, Bristol-Kingsport-Johnson City, Roanoke-Lynchburg, or even the Carolina Piedmont and further south along the Appalachian crest, even Cincinnati all of which I feel (as a person who did just that, moved from rural central Appalachia to the nearest city for a better life) far more at home in that I do in northern WV.
Cincinnati and Dayton, along with the areas around those two cities, are full of families that are two or three generations removed from eastern Kentucky.
I'm getting ready to (finally) read "Hillbilly Elegy," written by an Ohio native whose family's roots were in Breathitt County. The book's been both praised and panned; I guess I'll finally see what all the hoopla was about.
The lower 3 counties in South Carolina (Jasper, Beaufort, Hampton) all lean toward the Savannah area. All 3 are in Savannah's TV market. Savannah's TV market is larger than Charleston because of that, while the SC counties strangely aren't in Savannah's radio market (even though most of Savannah's stations cover Hilton Head and it is only a 30 mile drive).
West Virginia is a varied state as SamC would know. Princeton to Wheeling is a 271 mile drive, and a good chunk of it goes through Ohio. Weirton is almost a 5 hour drive. It's a closer drive to Charlotte and even Columbia, SC from Princeton than it is to Weirton.
NJ has no identity as North Jersey tends to lean more to New York City (part of NY State of course) and South Jersey toward Philly.
However when radio comes in, like Toms River has its own market and one station (I forgot the call letters) but prides itself in saying Ocean County's best music catering to Ocean County's businesses to sponsor. In Morris County( WDHA) was made it known it was Morris County's own station and had sponsorship with Morris County businesses.
I do often wonder about Phillipsburg as its in Lehigh Valley's market both in radio and TV, so I wonder if that part of the state is neither NY or Philly but PA at that area adjacent.
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The Upper Peninsula of Michigan tends to run more with the Wisconsin types than the Lower Peninsula.
The central and western U.P. is definitely that way - from about Munising/Manistique west is closer to Milwaukee and Madison than Lansing and Detroit. For example, you get more Packers fans than Lions fans. Houghton and Marquette have a large number of college students from the Lower Peninsula, which helps keeps a Michigan connection. But folks drive to Green Bay, Wausau, Duluth, or Minneapolis to shop rather than a Lower Peninsula location.
The eastern U.P. is physically closer to Lower Peninsula markets, and the residents tend to identify more with the Lower Peininsula. Radio and television markets are tied to the Traverse City area, for example (if not the Sault Ste. Marie, Ontario market).
From Munising to Newberry and south is mostly forest with few residents, which results in a Central/Western U.P. cluster and a (much smaller) Eastern U.P. cluster. Then there's Wakefield/Bessemer/Ironwood, which are in Duluth TV markets and within a 4 hour drive of the Twin Cities. To them, Detroit might as well be in another country.
The UP appears to have a very sharp divide at about M-77. Areas west of there tend to associate more with Marquette and Green Bay, while areas east of there tend to associate more with Sault Ste. Marie and Traverse City. Outside of the Lions, most of the UP either tends to lean toward Detroit for major sports or doesn't care about major sports at all.
Several Green Bay radio stations get listenership along Lake Michigan between about Glen Arbor and Silver Lake. In fact, years ago (I'm talking 1950s and 1960s), Manistee and Mason counties were even in the Green Bay TV market! As late as the early 1990s, the Ludington Daily News had more stations from Wisconsin in their TV listings than Michigan stations! Also, Ludington and Manistee were among the few areas of Michigan that never had WKBD on cable (they had WGN and WTBS, as well as WVTV very briefly). To this day, there are still a sizable number of Packers fans in west central lower Michigan as it usually has been easier to get the Packers on radio (it helps that their longtime Milwaukee affiliate sends all their juice north and northeast) than the Lions.
I could argue that the Florida Panhandle seems more being a part of Alabama than does the rest of the state.
Plus much of it is in the Central Time Zone, just like Alabama is.
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I have only been to the Plattsburgh area once, but in general the North Country and Vermont have a lot more in common with each other, than they do with Western and Central NY.
I still don't believe those in the Daks think that they're more of a part of Vermont than New York.
No, but that doesn't mean they have more in common with other parts of New York than they do with Vermont.
They certainly don't associate themselves with Vermont, which is where this discussion started.
To an "outsider" (of sorts) the area has a lot in common with Vermont. Maybe steviep24 should have phrased it differently, so it was clear that he is the one associating Plattsburgh with Vermont, not Plattsburgh residents themselves.
I live in the North Country. We certainly don't associate ourselves with Vermont... or anywhere else, for that matter. If anything, we associate more with Canada, but that's a stretch too.
Drive around in the North Country, then drive around in Vermont. Nothing alike. Vermont actually prides itself on beautification and natural beauty, for one, while the North Country is poor, with run-down buildings and overgrown weeds everywhere. It's long been said that this area is recession-proof because it's always in a recession. The two regions aren't even politically alike, either.
I've always thought that it was interesting that you could tell exactly when you cross the state line from Vermont to NY, even without seeing a welcome sign. The same natural scenery but such different economic circumstances.
Plattsburgh and Burlington do share a media market but I imagine the the North Country gets relatively little coverage on their shared stations.
On a trip out to the Jackson Purchase area a couple of years ago, I was surprised at just how much of the area is so much closer to Union City, Tenn., than any decent-sized town in Kentucky (Murray and Paducah, and to a lesser extent, Mayfield). The state line is probably a hard dividing line between Big Blue and Rocky Top fandom, but I wonder what other sports allegiances there are in that area. Pretty sure the St. Louis Cardinals and Chicago Cubs are the dominant baseball teams.
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On a trip out to the Jackson Purchase area a couple of years ago, I was surprised at just how much of the area is so much closer to Union City, Tenn., than any decent-sized town in Kentucky (Murray and Paducah, and to a lesser extent, Mayfield). The state line is probably a hard dividing line between Big Blue and Rocky Top fandom, but I wonder what other sports allegiances there are in that area. Pretty sure the St. Louis Cardinals and Chicago Cubs are the dominant baseball teams.
How far would Tennessee Titans NFL fandom extend into that area? It's not that far from Nashville and with the Rams gone now, you'd think that the Titans could grab that entire region.
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On a trip out to the Jackson Purchase area a couple of years ago, I was surprised at just how much of the area is so much closer to Union City, Tenn., than any decent-sized town in Kentucky (Murray and Paducah, and to a lesser extent, Mayfield). The state line is probably a hard dividing line between Big Blue and Rocky Top fandom, but I wonder what other sports allegiances there are in that area. Pretty sure the St. Louis Cardinals and Chicago Cubs are the dominant baseball teams.
How far would Tennessee Titans NFL fandom extend into that area? It's not that far from Nashville and with the Rams gone now, you'd think that the Titans could grab that entire region.
I'd guess that's the dominant football team unless that place was already Cowboys country. I haven't followed the NFL in years so really, I don't pay it much mind, and if I did, well the Titans are the recycled Houston Oilers, and I couldn't stand them when they were in the Bengals' division back when I did watch the NFL.
The only good thing about the Browns moving to Baltimore and Browns 2.0 being established is that it would give me two sets of Cleveland Browns to hate. :bigass:
I remember going on vacation a couple of years ago (to St. Louis), and we stayed in Kuttawa, KY one night. There was this sports bar called the Oasis there, and they had Kentucky Wildcats, St. Louis Cardinals, and Tennessee Titans stuff all over the walls.
Western Kentucky supports the Cardinals more than any other baseball team. The Titans as well. Eastern Kentucky is mostly Bengals and Reds.
Kuttawa is 90 minutes from Nashville and Evansville, 3 hours from St. Louis, and a little over 3 from Memphis. I was getting FM from all four of those markets there on a hot summer night.
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Williamston and Ahoskie are lonely cities and with declining population. There's not much to do there and they are very isolated with low population.
While that might be true I don't think that exactly fits the bill of the thread, as they're still very much associated with NC, also being part of the 'Inner Banks' region.
So, maybe Emporia or Elizabeth city?
Elizabeth City somewhat, they associate a lot with Hampton Roads.
Moyock, a growing town (thanks to sprawl and residential development spilling from Virginia) is located right over the border on NC-168, and most definitely is associated with Hampton Roads.
Can’t say too much about Emporia as my knowledge isn’t strong on that city. It is only 40 minutes from Petersburg and an hour from Richmond, comparable to Elizabeth City with Hampton Roads, but that’s within the same state.
Emporia’s kind of its own little ecosystem, maybe a bit of cross-state tandem with Roanoke Rapids. That said, I have met people who commute between the Emporia area and the Petersburg area, but not Richmond. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, though.
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On a trip out to the Jackson Purchase area a couple of years ago, I was surprised at just how much of the area is so much closer to Union City, Tenn., than any decent-sized town in Kentucky (Murray and Paducah, and to a lesser extent, Mayfield). The state line is probably a hard dividing line between Big Blue and Rocky Top fandom, but I wonder what other sports allegiances there are in that area. Pretty sure the St. Louis Cardinals and Chicago Cubs are the dominant baseball teams.
How far would Tennessee Titans NFL fandom extend into that area? It's not that far from Nashville and with the Rams gone now, you'd think that the Titans could grab that entire region.
With the dissolution of the Rams fandom (as they were in St. Louis), the Chiefs Kingdom is expanding to the south and east. The Chiefs Radio Network has a growing number of affiliates in southern and southeast Missouri. Many affiliates in northeast Arkansas, too. See: https://www.kcchiefsradio.com/affiliate-team/ (https://www.kcchiefsradio.com/affiliate-team/).
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On a trip out to the Jackson Purchase area a couple of years ago, I was surprised at just how much of the area is so much closer to Union City, Tenn., than any decent-sized town in Kentucky (Murray and Paducah, and to a lesser extent, Mayfield). The state line is probably a hard dividing line between Big Blue and Rocky Top fandom, but I wonder what other sports allegiances there are in that area. Pretty sure the St. Louis Cardinals and Chicago Cubs are the dominant baseball teams.
How far would Tennessee Titans NFL fandom extend into that area? It's not that far from Nashville and with the Rams gone now, you'd think that the Titans could grab that entire region.
With the dissolution of the Rams fandom (as they were in St. Louis), the Chiefs Kingdom is expanding to the south and east. The Chiefs Radio Network has a growing number of affiliates in southern and southeast Missouri. Many affiliates in northeast Arkansas, too. See: https://www.kcchiefsradio.com/affiliate-team/ (https://www.kcchiefsradio.com/affiliate-team/).
I already see a large rivalry at play, thanks to the void left by the Rams.
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On a trip out to the Jackson Purchase area a couple of years ago, I was surprised at just how much of the area is so much closer to Union City, Tenn., than any decent-sized town in Kentucky (Murray and Paducah, and to a lesser extent, Mayfield). The state line is probably a hard dividing line between Big Blue and Rocky Top fandom, but I wonder what other sports allegiances there are in that area. Pretty sure the St. Louis Cardinals and Chicago Cubs are the dominant baseball teams.
How far would Tennessee Titans NFL fandom extend into that area? It's not that far from Nashville and with the Rams gone now, you'd think that the Titans could grab that entire region.
With the dissolution of the Rams fandom (as they were in St. Louis), the Chiefs Kingdom is expanding to the south and east. The Chiefs Radio Network has a growing number of affiliates in southern and southeast Missouri. Many affiliates in northeast Arkansas, too. See: https://www.kcchiefsradio.com/affiliate-team/ (https://www.kcchiefsradio.com/affiliate-team/).
I already see a large rivalry at play, thanks to the void left by the Rams.
Helps that the Chiefs are also the Defending Super Bowl Champs, with the Up&Coming Face of the League as their Starting QB
The Cape Girardeau, MO FOX and CBS stations aired every Chiefs Sunday Afternoon game in the 2019 Season ie they were given the "home" team treatment in the TV DMA. The DMA covers Southeastern MO, Western KY, Southern IL, and a little bit of extreme Northwestern TN.
None of the market broadcast networks currently carry any team's NFL Preseason TV package of games, which the teams control the broadcast rights for, other than nationally broadcast preseason games. A couple of seasons ago, the NBC affiliate out of Paducah, KY for the DMA carried Tennessee Titan preseason games, but they have not carried them for a season or two now
The first year the Rams were gone, the Chiefs, Titans, Bears, and Colts staked claims to the vacated TV markets that the Rams controlled, including this one. In the St Louis TV DMA, the Chiefs, Bears, and Packers Preseason TV games are carried on local broadcast networks. In the Evansville, IN TV DMA, the Colts, Bears, and Titans Preseason TV games are carried on local broadcast networks
With the Chiefs success the last few seasons and capturing the Lombardi Trophy in February, I think their Claim is holding strong, at least for now
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I remember going on vacation a couple of years ago (to St. Louis), and we stayed in Kuttawa, KY one night. There was this sports bar called the Oasis there, and they had Kentucky Wildcats, St. Louis Cardinals, and Tennessee Titans stuff all over the walls.
Western Kentucky supports the Cardinals more than any other baseball team. The Titans as well. Eastern Kentucky is mostly Bengals and Reds.
Kuttawa is 90 minutes from Nashville and Evansville, 3 hours from St. Louis, and a little over 3 from Memphis. I was getting FM from all four of those markets there on a hot summer night.
Part of the reason Kentucky has a big Cardinal fanbase has to do with Louisville having the long time Triple A Cardinal Affiliate, Louisville Cardinals (Not the University). They played where the football team used to play.
Desoto County, MS, would fit in more with Tennessee since it borders Memphis. It's the second most populated county in the Memphis metro. Unlike the rest of the state that are mostly Saints and Braves, I'm willing to bet Desoto are more supportive of the Titans and Cardinals. Memphis also has an NBA team, the Grizzlies.
I'm surprised that a pretty obvious one hasn't been mentioned. The Kansas suburbs of Kansas City are for more likely to go into Missouri than further into Kansas for anything. Even when I went to school in Lawrence, I would way more likely find myself in KC, MO than Topeka despite KC, MO being about 15-20 minutes farther away. Especially since there are so many KU and K-State grads in KC, no one on that side would ever call themselves "Missourians", but as far as associating more with it? Especially with most of the pro sports teams on that side, I think it's pretty easy to say yes.
I don't think there are really many examples in Colorado. Mainly because there aren't any sizable cities right outside the Colorado borders, nor really any towns of any size whatsoever in Utah near Grand Junction that would maybe feel a little more "Coloradoan". Eastern Colorado sure feels more like Kansas or Nebraska, but there aren't any large towns that would draw someone across the state lines.
I did see a University of Wyoming flag in Virginia Dale, CO as Laramie isn't too far away, but that's still certainly Coloradoan.
Chris
Kansas Jayhawks basketball is also like a pro sports team to Kansas City in lieu of the NBA or NHL (both of which had teams in Kansas City but which moved to other cities). That's a good example. There are some people there that root for KU in basketball and another university in football.
Talking about Emporia, Virginia (a place I've been to several times), I'd say it leans towards Virginia more than North Carolina. Both Richmond and Hampton Roads stations are on the television at hotels there (before places like Hampton Inn went to full satellite).
Roanoke Rapids in NC feels more like Virginia than North Carolina to me. Emporia and Roanoke Rapids are only 18 miles apart. They're one of the only towns in NC that gets MASN (the Orioles and Nationals TV channel) on basic cable. Most of North Carolina has to get satellite to watch those two teams.