Rules:
-Venue must be used for at least one event per year, but not have a full-time tenant.
-Standing-but-not-operating spaces, like the Astrodome, don't count.
-Venues used by municipal boards of education for varsity athletics and artistic performances don't count.
-Venue must be a permanent structure. Cirque-du-Solei, temporary conversions (i.e. Field of Dreams for MLB next year) don't count, for example.
-Burning Man does not count.
-Festival sites do not count unless they occur in a permanent structure.
Go.
I would have to say Sprint Center in Kansas City is top of the list. No NBA or NHL.
You could reasonably say every NFL venue fits the category.
I believe the Trenton, NJ arena fits this category. Only had basketball for a few years at best, and was home to a minor league ice hockey team for several years. It now hosts school graduations, monster truck shows and numerous other one-time events, but nothing that a team in a league would call home.
Quote from: DandyDan on September 28, 2019, 04:45:04 AM
You could reasonably say every NFL venue fits the category.
You already ignored rule #1.
Quote from: DandyDan on September 28, 2019, 04:45:04 AM
I would have to say Sprint Center in Kansas City is top of the list. No NBA or NHL.
You could reasonably say every NFL venue fits the category.
Sports leagues will be considered full-time tenants.
The Dome at America's Center would count since the Rams moved to Los Angeles. The stadium will soon have another full-time tenant in 2020 when XFL comes in.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on September 28, 2019, 07:51:47 AM
I believe the Trenton, NJ arena fits this category. Only had basketball for a few years at best, and was home to a minor league ice hockey team for several years. It now hosts school graduations, monster truck shows and numerous other one-time events, but nothing that a team in a league would call home.
Quote from: DandyDan on September 28, 2019, 04:45:04 AM
You could reasonably say every NFL venue fits the category.
You already ignored rule #1.
This place. Passed by it while heading to Arm & Hammer Park, off of NJ Route 29 in Trenton...
(https://i.imgur.com/oYEagp6.jpg)
Freedom Hall in Louisville. It was U of L's home basketball court until they built the new arena downtown. They actually repainted the basketball court in UK's colors before the last home game the Wildcats played there, until Calipari decided to quit playing an annual home game in Louisville.
I think they may use the arena for state fair-related concerts now, and President Trump held a rally there the first year he was in office, but it doesn't get used for very much at all.
Outside the rules just a tad, when Rupp Arena opened in Lexington, it was a frequent concert stop for touring acts. I saw the Rolling Stones there in 1981. Now, it's rare that a big-name musical act plays there. Several of them play the Yum center in Louisville, though. The Lexington concert business has declined significantly. I saw a lot of bands in Rupp in the late 1970s and early 1980s and it was rare to pay more than $10-12 a ticket for a show. So while the UK basketball team plays its home schedule there, and the women's team plays a few games, I would say it's definitely under-utilized for concerts.
Stade Olympique in Montreal.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 28, 2019, 03:32:44 PM
Freedom Hall in Louisville. It was U of L's home basketball court until they built the new arena downtown. They actually repainted the basketball court in UK's colors before the last home game the Wildcats played there, until Calipari decided to quit playing an annual home game in Louisville.
I think they may use the arena for state fair-related concerts now, and President Trump held a rally there the first year he was in office, but it doesn't get used for very much at all.
Outside the rules just a tad, when Rupp Arena opened in Lexington, it was a frequent concert stop for touring acts. I saw the Rolling Stones there in 1981. Now, it's rare that a big-name musical act plays there. Several of them play the Yum center in Louisville, though. The Lexington concert business has declined significantly. I saw a lot of bands in Rupp in the late 1970s and early 1980s and it was rare to pay more than $10-12 a ticket for a show. So while the UK basketball team plays its home schedule there, and the women's team plays a few games, I would say it's definitely under-utilized for concerts.
The KFC-YUM Center. The most product placement arena ever.
Cotton Bowl stadium in Dallas?
Florence, SC's arena (Florence Center). Seats 10,000, largest arena between Charleston and Raleigh, and has no permanent tenant. Used to have minor league hockey for years. Had a minor league arena football team several times, but nobody went to the games.
Biggest thing in there is the Lower State high school basketball championships for South Carolina, which is 2 days in late February every year. Then the Harlem Globetrotters, a couple country music concerts, and that is about it.
Myrtle Beach doesn't have an arena larger than 3,500 seats.
Both of the arenas in downtown Charleston are under-utilized. CofC's arena is 5,100 seats, and except for a few Spoleto events, and maybe 45 games a year, it sits there. The Citadel is 6,000 seats and has even fewer events.
Brendan Byrne Continental Airlines Izod Center Meadowlands Arena in East Rutherford, NJ. May finally be some life around it with the Xanadu project FINALLY set to open.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on September 28, 2019, 04:58:50 PM
The KFC-YUM Center. The most product placement arena ever.
If they ever move out of Louisville, the name will probably change.
The DeltaPlex in Grand Rapids, MI used to be under-utilized until the Grand Rapids Drive (NBA G-League team) moved in a couple of years ago. Besides the Drive, the venue gets used for the occasional concert or trade show.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 28, 2019, 06:46:58 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on September 28, 2019, 04:58:50 PM
The KFC-YUM Center. The most product placement arena ever.
If they ever move out of Louisville, the name will probably change.
I think the arena's contract with the city also specifically bans an NBA team from ever moving in.
RFK Stadium in Washington, D.C. met this criteria in 2017, but it is due to be demolished in 2021.
Memorial Coliseum in PDX is close to the Rose Garden, which is the current home of the Trailblazers. They still have a variety of events there but without a pro team tenant, it is underutilized. We saw how the Portland Buckaroos of the Western Hockey League (a defunct franchise) was a major tenant decades ago, so maybe an NHL team might want to think about reviving the revenue for this Sixties Modern glass cube structure.
Rick
The Cow Palace...why is it still standing? When I was a kid I saw Warriors games there, and later the NHL Sharks before the arena in San Jose was completed. It hosted the Barry Goldwater Republican convention, the Beatles, Rolling Stones and Grateful Dead back in the day.
There's not much going on there now (Events calendar) (https://www.cowpalace.com/events), and I figure with the Warriors' new arena opening in San Francisco the Cow Palace-type events will likely migrate to the former "Oracle Arena" on the Coliseum property in Oakland.
Smaller market but Huntington, WV "˜s building, first named the Huntington Civic Center, then Civic Arena, and now the "Big Sandy Super-Store Arena" .
City used to have one venue, the Field House, which housed whatever came to town, plus Marshall basketball. Belonged to the county. City fathers got all uppity and decided to build the HCC in 1975, but, because it was going to be so full of big time acts, they refused to cooperate with Marshall.
MU continued to play in the Field House until it got money to build its own, basketball only, venue. County kept the Field House open for smaller acts until 2009. Meanwhile Charleston, just 50 miles away, and to a lesser extent, Pikeville, and Portsmouth, built better, and in Charleston's case, larger, venues. So the HCC sits empty for over 320 days per year. A monument to the city's arrogance.
Quote from: SP Cook on September 30, 2019, 10:15:33 AM
Smaller market but Huntington, WV "˜s building, first named the Huntington Civic Center, then Civic Arena, and now the "Big Sandy Super-Store Arena" .
City used to have one venue, the Field House, which housed whatever came to town, plus Marshall basketball. Belonged to the county. City fathers got all uppity and decided to build the HCC in 1975, but, because it was going to be so full of big time acts, they refused to cooperate with Marshall.
MU continued to play in the Field House until it got money to build its own, basketball only, venue. County kept the Field House open for smaller acts until 2009. Meanwhile Charleston, just 50 miles away, and to a lesser extent, Pikeville, and Portsmouth, built better, and in Charleston's case, larger, venues. So the HCC sits empty for over 320 days per year. A monument to the city's arrogance.
Huntington isn't really going to get any big-name concerts. Pikeville's getting acts that used to be big (Lynyrd Skynyrd, Charlie Daniels Band, Alice Cooper, Kansas, 38 Special) but are past their prime, as well as lesser-known acts like Black Label Society, Shinedown, Godsmack, etc. They also host basketball tournaments, regional conferences, and other events. I've been in it a couple of times for various things.
I'd definitely think that a larger touring act would choose Charleston over Huntington, although I do occasionally hear of someone coming to Huntington. Can't really see that Big Sandy Superstore naming being an extremely lucrative thing. They've closed a few stores in the area.
Indianapolis Motor Speedway: Three events, some testing, and lots of tours.
Quote from: hbelkins on September 30, 2019, 03:58:50 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on September 30, 2019, 10:15:33 AM
Smaller market but Huntington, WV "˜s building, first named the Huntington Civic Center, then Civic Arena, and now the "Big Sandy Super-Store Arena" .
City used to have one venue, the Field House, which housed whatever came to town, plus Marshall basketball. Belonged to the county. City fathers got all uppity and decided to build the HCC in 1975, but, because it was going to be so full of big time acts, they refused to cooperate with Marshall.
MU continued to play in the Field House until it got money to build its own, basketball only, venue. County kept the Field House open for smaller acts until 2009. Meanwhile Charleston, just 50 miles away, and to a lesser extent, Pikeville, and Portsmouth, built better, and in Charleston's case, larger, venues. So the HCC sits empty for over 320 days per year. A monument to the city's arrogance.
Huntington isn't really going to get any big-name concerts. Pikeville's getting acts that used to be big (Lynyrd Skynyrd, Charlie Daniels Band, Alice Cooper, Kansas, 38 Special) but are past their prime, as well as lesser-known acts like Black Label Society, Shinedown, Godsmack, etc. They also host basketball tournaments, regional conferences, and other events. I've been in it a couple of times for various things.
I'd definitely think that a larger touring act would choose Charleston over Huntington, although I do occasionally hear of someone coming to Huntington. Can't really see that Big Sandy Superstore naming being an extremely lucrative thing. They've closed a few stores in the area.
You've forgotten the MAC in Prestonsburg. :D
Quote from: formulanone on September 30, 2019, 04:32:42 PM
Indianapolis Motor Speedway: Three events, some testing, and lots of tours.
The Mini Marathon uses the track and there's a golf course that uses part of the infield, too. But yeah, it just stands there empty for much of the year.
Source: I drove by it every day for 4 years on my way to high school.
In the case of the Indy Speedway, would the Indy Racing League count at a tenant per the rules of this topic? Most speedways are probably in the same boat, holding one or two races (or a series of races at one or two times of the year) and sitting quiet for the rest. Still, they have official tenants, typically NASCAR, Indy Car or both. I imagine just about any speedway isn't going to be holding automobile races all the time throughout the year.
A real under-utilized racetrack to me would be more like Nashville Superspeedway, which currently holds no races and is just used to testing.
Quote from: tdindy88 on September 30, 2019, 10:58:43 PM
Most speedways are probably in the same boat, holding one or two races (or a series of races at one or two times of the year) and sitting quiet for the rest. Still, they have official tenants, typically NASCAR, Indy Car or both. I imagine just about any speedway isn't going to be holding automobile races all the time throughout the year.
Yeah, I don't keep up with them all, but until 1994, Indy used to hold one month-long sweepstakes and that was it, save some late-season tire testing. Probably the medium and smaller oval tracks get some more action; but the ones owned by conglomerates are sucked into more exclusive deals, and don't open themselves up as much for minor-league series' events. Whereas a lot of road courses tend to open themselves for club days and weekends after their 2-3 major events are held (there's less of them), and drag races can be held every weekend until winter has its say.
QuoteA real under-utilized racetrack to me would be more like Nashville Superspeedway, which currently holds no races and is just used to testing.
True enough - it's a pity that one didn't get more fans as it's just 2 hours from my home.
Quote from: formulanone on September 30, 2019, 04:32:42 PM
Indianapolis Motor Speedway: Three events, some testing, and lots of tours.
The problem with IMS, or any racetrack with a large amount of permanent seating, is that the venue isn't practical to use for anything except major events. It would be way too expensive to staff security, vendors, etc., at a 250,000 seat track for an even drawing < 75,000. So by their very nature, large capacity racetracks are going to have very low utilization, which may not be the same as under-utilization.
Quote from: Rothman on September 30, 2019, 04:50:02 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on September 30, 2019, 03:58:50 PM
Quote from: SP Cook on September 30, 2019, 10:15:33 AM
Smaller market but Huntington, WV "˜s building, first named the Huntington Civic Center, then Civic Arena, and now the "Big Sandy Super-Store Arena" .
City used to have one venue, the Field House, which housed whatever came to town, plus Marshall basketball. Belonged to the county. City fathers got all uppity and decided to build the HCC in 1975, but, because it was going to be so full of big time acts, they refused to cooperate with Marshall.
MU continued to play in the Field House until it got money to build its own, basketball only, venue. County kept the Field House open for smaller acts until 2009. Meanwhile Charleston, just 50 miles away, and to a lesser extent, Pikeville, and Portsmouth, built better, and in Charleston's case, larger, venues. So the HCC sits empty for over 320 days per year. A monument to the city's arrogance.
Huntington isn't really going to get any big-name concerts. Pikeville's getting acts that used to be big (Lynyrd Skynyrd, Charlie Daniels Band, Alice Cooper, Kansas, 38 Special) but are past their prime, as well as lesser-known acts like Black Label Society, Shinedown, Godsmack, etc. They also host basketball tournaments, regional conferences, and other events. I've been in it a couple of times for various things.
I'd definitely think that a larger touring act would choose Charleston over Huntington, although I do occasionally hear of someone coming to Huntington. Can't really see that Big Sandy Superstore naming being an extremely lucrative thing. They've closed a few stores in the area.
You've forgotten the MAC in Prestonsburg. :D
Amy Grant was there over the weekend. I've been to a couple of non-concert events there. (Awards ceremonies, etc.)
Pimlico Park in Baltimore is open for, like, two weeks a year. They run the Preakness Stakes (part two of the Triple Crown), run for a couple weeks after that, and close down for the year. The park is owned by the Stronach Group, which also owns Laurel Park, and seems to be trying to consolidate everything into Laurel (despite the fact that Pimlico is the much more historic property).
Quote from: nexus73 on September 28, 2019, 11:49:13 PM
Memorial Coliseum in PDX is close to the Rose Garden, which is the current home of the Trailblazers. They still have a variety of events there but without a pro team tenant, it is underutilized. We saw how the Portland Buckaroos of the Western Hockey League (a defunct franchise) was a major tenant decades ago, so maybe an NHL team might want to think about reviving the revenue for this Sixties Modern glass cube structure.
Rick
The Portland Winterhawks play about half their home games at the Memorial Coliseum (the rest of them at Rose Garden/Moda Center). Maybe not technically "full time", but that's still a consistent schedule and gets it plenty of use from that.
Quote from: DandyDan on September 28, 2019, 04:45:04 AM
You could reasonably say every NFL venue fits the category.
You already ignored rule #1.
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That's what happens when you don't read it all the way through.
One venue I have been to which doesn't have very much going on is the MAC Center in Council Bluffs, Iowa. I remember the Omaha Lancers hockey team was there (when they were the River City Lancers) and I thought they had indoor football for a while, but nowadays, they don't even have concerts, to the best of my knowledge.
As a corollary to Rule #1, does anyone else find it a waste when perfectly good sports stadiums (stadia?) are torn down and replaced with specialty venues?
I point specifically to Cincinnati. Riverfront Stadium was perfectly fine as the home for both the Reds and the Bengals, but it was demolished and two separate venues were built, one for baseball and one for football. This seems like such a waste of tax dollars. I'm not sure if either stadium is used for anything other than Reds or Bengals games. Riverfront was a good multi-purpose facility.
Same thing happened in Pittsburgh, didn't it?
Yes. And Philadelphia. Really and city or market which had shared stadiums for baseball or football. The only shared stadium left is Oakland for the Athletics and Raiders...until the NFL leaves for Las Vegas in 2020. In Baltimore, the Orioles and Ravens are in separate stadiums, but share some of the parking lots.
Yankee Stadium is obvious for who gets priority. However, a couple of football games and soccer have been played there.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 04, 2019, 01:28:50 PM
As a corollary to Rule #1, does anyone else find it a waste when perfectly good sports stadiums (stadia?) are torn down and replaced with specialty venues?
I point specifically to Cincinnati. Riverfront Stadium was perfectly fine as the home for both the Reds and the Bengals, but it was demolished and two separate venues were built, one for baseball and one for football. This seems like such a waste of tax dollars. I'm not sure if either stadium is used for anything other than Reds or Bengals games. Riverfront was a good multi-purpose facility.
Same thing happened in Pittsburgh, didn't it?
"Perfectly fine" is open for interpretation.
In the era of the multi-function stadiums, Veterans Stadium in Philly and others were also built to host football and baseball. The reality is they make good baseball stadiums but lousy football stadiums. Fan sightlines are impacted, and there's a significant conversion issue between a football and baseball stadium. The field is problematic too...it's hard to have a grass field in an arena that has two significantly different setups, and while Astroturf was basically invented for these types of fields, players (and fans) prefer grass.
From a taxpayer standpoint, they're obviously cheaper to build, take up less room, and highway/parking access is limited to just one stadium. Philly is really the only area in the country where both their baseball and football stadiums are located in one area, so the parking lots are utilized for both arenas (along with the Wells Fargo Center for Hockey/Basketball as well).
(Turns out I'm repeating what Kevin just said above as well!)
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 04, 2019, 02:02:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 04, 2019, 01:28:50 PM
As a corollary to Rule #1, does anyone else find it a waste when perfectly good sports stadiums (stadia?) are torn down and replaced with specialty venues?
I point specifically to Cincinnati. Riverfront Stadium was perfectly fine as the home for both the Reds and the Bengals, but it was demolished and two separate venues were built, one for baseball and one for football. This seems like such a waste of tax dollars. I'm not sure if either stadium is used for anything other than Reds or Bengals games. Riverfront was a good multi-purpose facility.
Same thing happened in Pittsburgh, didn't it?
"Perfectly fine" is open for interpretation.
In the era of the multi-function stadiums, Veterans Stadium in Philly and others were also built to host football and baseball. The reality is they make good baseball stadiums but lousy football stadiums. Fan sightlines are impacted, and there's a significant conversion issue between a football and baseball stadium. The field is problematic too...it's hard to have a grass field in an arena that has two significantly different setups, and while Astroturf was basically invented for these types of fields, players (and fans) prefer grass.
From a taxpayer standpoint, they're obviously cheaper to build, take up less room, and highway/parking access is limited to just one stadium. Philly is really the only area in the country where both their baseball and football stadiums are located in one area, so the parking lots are utilized for both arenas (along with the Wells Fargo Center for Hockey/Basketball as well).
(Turns out I'm repeating what Kevin just said above as well!)
Cincinnati and Kansas City also have both football and baseball stadiums in close proximity to each other.
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 04, 2019, 02:09:25 PM
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 04, 2019, 02:02:46 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on October 04, 2019, 01:28:50 PM
As a corollary to Rule #1, does anyone else find it a waste when perfectly good sports stadiums (stadia?) are torn down and replaced with specialty venues?
I point specifically to Cincinnati. Riverfront Stadium was perfectly fine as the home for both the Reds and the Bengals, but it was demolished and two separate venues were built, one for baseball and one for football. This seems like such a waste of tax dollars. I'm not sure if either stadium is used for anything other than Reds or Bengals games. Riverfront was a good multi-purpose facility.
Same thing happened in Pittsburgh, didn't it?
"Perfectly fine" is open for interpretation.
In the era of the multi-function stadiums, Veterans Stadium in Philly and others were also built to host football and baseball. The reality is they make good baseball stadiums but lousy football stadiums. Fan sightlines are impacted, and there's a significant conversion issue between a football and baseball stadium. The field is problematic too...it's hard to have a grass field in an arena that has two significantly different setups, and while Astroturf was basically invented for these types of fields, players (and fans) prefer grass.
From a taxpayer standpoint, they're obviously cheaper to build, take up less room, and highway/parking access is limited to just one stadium. Philly is really the only area in the country where both their baseball and football stadiums are located in one area, so the parking lots are utilized for both arenas (along with the Wells Fargo Center for Hockey/Basketball as well).
(Turns out I'm repeating what Kevin just said above as well!)
Cincinnati and Kansas City also have both football and baseball stadiums in close proximity to each other.
Pittsburgh too.
https://goo.gl/maps/qXzVVyYEpzSyHXN66
Quote from: catch22 on October 04, 2019, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 04, 2019, 02:09:25 PM
Cincinnati and Kansas City also have both football and baseball stadiums in close proximity to each other.
Pittsburgh too.
https://goo.gl/maps/qXzVVyYEpzSyHXN66
And Detroit. But it was a long and winding road to get from where they once played in the same stadium to where they are now.
Any racetrack which hosts at least one annual sanctioned event does not count as under-utilized.
So, North Willesboro Speedway doesn't count.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on October 04, 2019, 10:34:37 PM
Any racetrack which hosts at least one annual sanctioned event does not count as under-utilized.
So, North Willesboro Speedway doesn't count.
Are they still using North Wilkesboro for something? I thought it had been totally abandoned. You can see the grandstands passing by on the US 421 four-lane.
Quote from: hbelkins on October 04, 2019, 01:28:50 PM
I point specifically to Cincinnati. Riverfront Stadium was perfectly fine as the home for both the Reds and the Bengals,
Same thing happened in Pittsburgh, didn't it?
More than that. The classic "ashtray" or "cookie cutter" stadiums, in Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, St. Louis, and Atlanta, all met the same fate, as did predecessors that were working on that theme, along with later variations on it.
The last Raiders game this year will be the last use of a true joint stadium by the NFL, and when that place, which has outlived its structural age limit, is finally replaced (or the A's move to Nevada or Quebec) that will be that.
It is part of the system. Bluntly, when the Rams left LA for tiny St. Louis, it meant that no city was too large for the NFL not to extort. "Build us a new stadium or we will move to *" .
The outrageous deal is that first Atlanta, and now Dallas, have replaced the 1990s era stadiums that replaced the 1960s era stadiums. The Rangers have literally gone across the street to build a new stadium to replace one in use for only 20 years
Quote from: SP Cook on October 07, 2019, 10:01:57 AM
The outrageous deal is that first Atlanta, and now Dallas, have replaced the 1990s era stadiums that replaced the 1960s era stadiums. The Rangers have literally gone across the street to build a new stadium to replace one in use for only 20 years
The stadium designs of the last decade have cost in the $1.5 billion range, fantastically expensive.
Actually 25 years for the Texas Rangers, but still.
Quote from: GaryV on October 04, 2019, 04:40:05 PM
Quote from: catch22 on October 04, 2019, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 04, 2019, 02:09:25 PM
Cincinnati and Kansas City also have both football and baseball stadiums in close proximity to each other.
Pittsburgh too.
https://goo.gl/maps/qXzVVyYEpzSyHXN66
And Detroit. But it was a long and winding road to get from where they once played in the same stadium to where they are now.
And Seattle.
Quote from: doorknob60 on October 07, 2019, 04:16:09 PM
Quote from: GaryV on October 04, 2019, 04:40:05 PM
Quote from: catch22 on October 04, 2019, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 04, 2019, 02:09:25 PM
Cincinnati and Kansas City also have both football and baseball stadiums in close proximity to each other.
Pittsburgh too.
https://goo.gl/maps/qXzVVyYEpzSyHXN66
And Detroit. But it was a long and winding road to get from where they once played in the same stadium to where they are now.
And Seattle.
Maybe Philly is the only city to have all 4 of their major professional teams in the same area then.
Quote from: jeffandnicole on October 07, 2019, 04:30:29 PM
Quote from: doorknob60 on October 07, 2019, 04:16:09 PM
Quote from: GaryV on October 04, 2019, 04:40:05 PM
Quote from: catch22 on October 04, 2019, 03:27:56 PM
Quote from: cabiness42 on October 04, 2019, 02:09:25 PM
Cincinnati and Kansas City also have both football and baseball stadiums in close proximity to each other.
Pittsburgh too.
https://goo.gl/maps/qXzVVyYEpzSyHXN66
And Detroit. But it was a long and winding road to get from where they once played in the same stadium to where they are now.
And Seattle.
Maybe Philly is the only city to have all 4 of their major professional teams in the same area then.
How big is Philly's "same area"? In Detroit, Ford Field (NFL) is across the street from Comerica Park (MLB). And then less than a 1/2 mile to Little Caesars Arena (NHL, NBA).
Multipurpose stadiums look ugly in comparison to their more permanent counterparts.
Quote from: GaryV on October 07, 2019, 04:44:54 PM
How big is Philly's "same area"? In Detroit, Ford Field (NFL) is across the street from Comerica Park (MLB). And then less than a 1/2 mile to Little Caesars Arena (NHL, NBA).
Adjoining city blocks.
A triangle between the centers of the facilities would have sides of about 1,900 feet, 1,200 feet, and 2,200 feet.
Fenway Park (Red Sox) sits more than a mile to the west-southwest of TD Garden (Bruins/Celtics). Gillette Stadium (Patriots) is a good 20 miles southwest from Boston. In fact, the stadium site is closer to Providence, RI. Foxborough, MA is in Norfolk County, part of the Boston/Worcester (Manchester) TV market. The next town on I-95 South is Mansfield, MA. It's in Bristol County. That county begins the Providence/New Bedford TV market.
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on September 28, 2019, 12:44:13 AM
Rules:
-Venue must be used for at least one event per year, but not have a full-time tenant.
-Standing-but-not-operating spaces, like the Astrodome, don't count.
-Venues used by municipal boards of education for varsity athletics and artistic performances don't count.
-Venue must be a permanent structure. Cirque-du-Solei, temporary conversions (i.e. Field of Dreams for MLB next year) don't count, for example.
-Burning Man does not count.
-Festival sites do not count unless they occur in a permanent structure.
Go.
Kesar Stadium and the Cow Palace in San Francisco. The 49ers stopped playing in Kesar in about 1971 and the Warriors quit playing at the Cow Palace in about 1970. The Cow Palace was named for a livestock show held their annually. Kesar currently hosts football games and other events.