Recently I've been encountering numerous State Highways in California which aren't signed from junctions with other State Highways yet have reassurance shields on the actual route. Some examples that come to mind are:
- CA 189 which has shields on Route but not from the junctions at CA 18 nor CA 173.
- CA 153 which has one reassurance shield on Route but no signed junction at CA 49.
- CA 77 which has several reassurance shields but none from I-880.
What are some other examples of this phenomenon in other states? With California there are several additional examples which I attribute to Caltrans moving towards de emphasizing surface highways.
In Detroit, the former eastern terminus of M-5 at I-96 (exit 185) has never been signed on I-96. Also, extension of the M-5 designation into downtown was signed in 2016 but most freeway signage at junctions doesn't yet indicate it (I-96 exits 185 and 187, I-94 exit 214, and I-75 exit 50). The M-10 Lodge Freeway (exit 2C) is an exception because freeway signage for the M-5 exit was replaced a couple years ago as part of a bridge replacement project.
M-311 in Calhoun County suffered this fate at both termini when the route was finally signed in 2009. At its north end, it wasn't signed on M-96 or I-94 until signage was replaced along those routes a few years ago. At its south end in Burlington, it hasn't been signed on M-60 to this day, and probably won't be until M-60 signage is replaced.
FL 37 from US 98 and FL 548. It has a reassurance marker south of where US 98 leaves Florida Avenue for George Jenkins Blvd. but no mention on FL 548 (George Jenkins Blvd.) and from 98 itself (although a TO FL 37 shield south of US 92 Junction).
However, this may be because FL 37 is not present there as since US 98 Business got decommissioned the FL 37 designation never took over the former US route loop to continue to US 98 and FL 548 and dangles in Downtown Lakeland at the place it always ended when US 98 Business was a route.
I was thinking the Milwaukee St exit off I-794 in Milwaukee...Milwaukee St is WI 32 and is Shielded as such on the Surface Street...but no Route Marker on the exit BGS
Access to MN-5 isn't signed on I-94 or I-35E in Saint Paul, even though there is at least one direct exit to 5 (exit 242C on I-94). Similarly, US-61 is not mentioned at I-94 exit 243 eastbound, even though Mounds Blvd is signed as US-61. (It is signed westbound, since that's where US-61's concurrency with I-94 leaves the freeway.)
Two more from California I thought of:
- CA 130 isn't signed from US 101 south but is briefly on US 101 on an exit mileage sign.
- CA 43 isn't signed from CA 99 north for some reason but is from CA 99 south.
GA 54 from I-75/85 exit 244 (University Ave). No mention at all of the route from the freeway; it isn't signed very well on University, but there are a couple (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7216418,-84.3887315,3a,75y,239.55h,102.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s35GDQcHpOq5cQXnEOCle8A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) of signs out there. Also US 19 (14th Street) isn't on signs on I-75/85 at exit 250 (being found instead erroneously a couple exits further south if traveling northbound), but is signed on the street.
In Philadelphia, PA 3 is not signed at all on any interchange signage along I-76 (or I-676 for that matter). One doesn't start to see PA 3 trailblazer/reassurance signs until the exit ramps end at the surrounding streets at Amtrak's 30th St. Station.
These (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9561041,-75.1830262,3a,75y,187.48h,84.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svgjH6XFY-Z_8bFv3iTfiVg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) are the only BGS-style signs (mid-to-late 80s vintage) in the vicinity that have PA 3 shields on them.
Very common in the Rochester area. Not so much at the junction of 2 state routes (those usually have a sign salad at the intersection), but local/county roads often lack shields and the accompanying arrows for whatever state routes they cross.
Isn't this fairly common for county highways? I believe some states tend to sign junctions for them by local name rather than route number.
The short Route 112 has had at least 1 or two signs along the route itself, but not along the signage for the Davis Street exit from I-880 in San Leandro.
Can someone confirm if Route 47 is signed along Alameda Street south of Route 91? 47 is signed from its junctions with I-110, I-710, and Route 103, but not sure if signed at the junction with Route 1. Definitely not signed off of I-405.
Route 170 when it ran down Highland Avenue in Hollywood had 2 or 3 trailblazers back in 2010, but no acknowledgment at all from US 101/Hollywood Freeway.
I don't know how well the now-relinquished portion of Route 84 in the city of West Sacramento was ever signed, but neither US 50/(Business 80) at Jefferson Boulevard or I-80 at Reed Avenue ever had mention of the route.
Almost but not quite: the John Street exit for US 101 in Salinas has no mention of Route 68 on the overhead gantries, but does have a few standalone shields nearby IIRC.
Quote from: Eth on October 01, 2019, 11:28:40 AM
GA 54 from I-75/85 exit 244 (University Ave). No mention at all of the route from the freeway; it isn't signed very well on University, but there are a couple (https://www.google.com/maps/@33.7216418,-84.3887315,3a,75y,239.55h,102.67t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s35GDQcHpOq5cQXnEOCle8A!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) of signs out there. Also US 19 (14th Street) isn't on signs on I-75/85 at exit 250 (being found instead erroneously a couple exits further south if traveling northbound), but is signed on the street.
Georgia isn't great with US route signage in downtown Atlanta. There are lots of erroneous US highway markings, several instances of unmarked US routes, and route markings that should really have a TO in front of them.
For example, the eastbound McDaniel St exit from I-20 shows US 19 and US 29 (without a TO prefix). McDaniel isn't a numbered route, but if you go north a few blocks you'll hit those two routes...which are also concurrent with US 41. Another example happens on southbound I-75/85 at the North Ave exit, which only shows US 78/278 despite also being US 29.
Quote from: PHLBOS on October 01, 2019, 01:26:13 PM
In Philadelphia, PA 3 is not signed at all on any interchange signage along I-76 (or I-676 for that matter). One doesn't start to see PA 3 trailblazer/reassurance signs until the exit ramps end at the surrounding streets at Amtrak's 30th St. Station.
These (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9561041,-75.1830262,3a,75y,187.48h,84.94t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1svgjH6XFY-Z_8bFv3iTfiVg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192) are the only BGS-style signs (mid-to-late 80s vintage) in the vicinity that have PA 3 shields on them.
Yeah, I was thinking PA would be a good place to look for this.
Judging by the street view, NY 5 and NY 354 where they meet. Neither route is signed from the other, but Buffalo does post sporadic reassurance shields, enough to at least verify the routing of NY 354.
US 61 isn't signed where it leaves I-55 at the I-555/US 63 exit in Arkansas.
This is common among the smaller state highways and county highways in MN
Exit 11 on I-35W North feeds directly into MN-121, but the BGS doesn't say so.
Many county highways aren't listed on BGSs...like Hennepin-3 (Lake St), Hennepin-152 (Cedar Ave, Dowling Ave), Hennepin-23 (Lyndale Ave), and more.
Strangely enough though, when MN-122 existed from Stadium Village of the U of M to the Metrodome, the junctions with it off I-35W and MN-55 *did* mention MN-122. Once the former-freeway-now-expressway was turned back to the county as Hennepin-122, the route number was no longer signed on the exits leading to it.
I'm pretty sure there are one or two exits along I-80 in Iowa where US 6 joins/leaves the Interstate and isn't signed.
Quote from: TheHighwayMan394 on October 01, 2019, 11:16:01 PM
US 61 isn't signed where it leaves I-55 at the I-555 exit in Arkansas.
FTFY. US 63 was realigned at the Spring AASHTO meeting, and no longer goes through that interchange.
Quote from: CNGL-Leudimin on October 02, 2019, 04:57:23 AM
I'm pretty sure there are one or two exits along I-80 in Iowa where US 6 joins/leaves the Interstate and isn't signed.
Nope. They are signed on the Interstate. Signs are lacking at a couple interchanges where the ramps meet the road, though. The IA-38/US-6 interchange is one that comes to mind–if you're trying to follow US-6, as I was, you just had to guess that west US-6 is a left turn there!
Quote from: MNHighwayManAccess to MN-5 isn't signed on I-94 or I-35E in Saint Paul, even though there is at least one direct exit to 5 (exit 242C on I-94).
On a similar vein, CSAH 5 isn't signed at the I-494/Minnetonka Blvd exit in order to reduce confusion with MN 5.
Quote from: DJ ParticleExit 11 on I-35W North feeds directly into MN-121, but the BGS doesn't say so.
I'm thinking this is because MN 121 has been a perennial turnback candidate, only waiting for agreement between the city, county, and MnDOT as to how to rebuild it up to 56th St.
QuoteStrangely enough though, when MN-122 existed from Stadium Village of the U of M to the Metrodome, the junctions with it off I-35W and MN-55 *did* mention MN-122. Once the former-freeway-now-expressway was turned back to the county as Hennepin-122, the route number was no longer signed on the exits leading to it.
That is the current case. But I distinctly recall there being CSAH 122 shields on the guide signs for at least the first few years after turnback. Then later there was a blank space where the shields were until the guide signs were replaced as part of a normal cycle update. Nowadays, one could argue they don't include it because they're trying to de-emphasize Washington Ave as a through route since all non-bus traffic must exit by the art museum.
Quote from: DJ Particle on October 02, 2019, 02:38:30 AMThis is common among the smaller state highways and county highways in MN
In many, but not all NJ counties, CR 600-700 routes
hardly appear on any BGS' or LGS'. Such are strictly trailblazers or reassurance signs.
Speaking of NJ; NJ Turnpike signage for Exit 5 (CR 541) does not have any CR 541 shields at all. The first sign showing a CR 541 shield one sees after exiting the Turnpike is this streetblade sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@40.026904,-74.8174221,3a,75y,35.16h,84.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sRjeA1kPf3iZXL3mujEwOsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) on a traffic signal mastarm.
Every highway junction in Omaha that doesn't involve an Interstate is like this. It's not like anyone cares about the highway designations there.
Quote from: DandyDan on October 02, 2019, 04:05:30 PM
Every highway junction in Omaha that doesn't involve an Interstate is like this. It's not like anyone cares about the highway designations there.
Wow, I see what you mean. Sometimes there aren't ever reassurance signs either. But US-75 does sign both NE-64 and US-275 on its exit signs.
What about when a redundant route is omitted? On US 52 near Hampton, MN at the MN 50/56 interchange, 56 isn't mentioned in any capacity on northbound US 52 because it would largely just take you back the way you came from.
Quote from: froggie on October 02, 2019, 08:30:00 AMThat is the current case. But I distinctly recall there being CSAH 122 shields on the guide signs for at least the first few years after turnback. Then later there was a blank space where the shields were until the guide signs were replaced as part of a normal cycle update. Nowadays, one could argue they don't include it because they're trying to de-emphasize Washington Ave as a through route since all non-bus traffic must exit by the art museum.
The MN-122 signs stayed up until around 2000 or 2001 IIRC. At the time I moved here in 1998, they were still on the BGSs on I-35W and MN-55, they were still on the signs at the ramps at Cedar Ave, and there was still one "END [122]" sign just west of I-35W.
CSAH-122 has never been signed at all. Eastbound is simply signed as "To Washington Ave NE" and Westbound is signed as "To 3rd St S"
[EDIT: CSAH-122 was noted on orange construction signage when that corridor was under construction for the Light Rail...forgot about that. But other than that, there isn't and has never been any CSAH-122 signage.]
CDOT (Colorado) loves to do this garbage. US 40 through Mount Vernon Canyon to Floyd Hill intersects I-70 at nearly every exit, including joining it from Genessee to Evergreen, yet is is not signed on mainline I-70 exits after Golden. It is fairly well-signed along its route and at the top of the ramps.
Same with US 6 from Minturn to Eagle and other places east of Grand Junction. CDOT nearly never signs US 6 from I-70, just along the main route.
Along US 202 northbound in Berwyn, PA (southwest of King of Prussia) at the PA 252/Valley Forge Rd. interchange. Although Valley Forge Road is PA 252; the interchange BGS' do not have PA 252 shields on them. Note, the southbound exit ramp is signed for PA 252 north.
The interchange prior to Valley Forge Rd. along northbound 202 is signed as TO 252. The ramp places one on Swedesford Rd. which connects to PA 252 just south of US 202.
Personally (for the northbound 202 interchange BGS'), I would've added a SOUTH message to the TO 252 Paoli BGS and add a PA 252 shield to the northbound Valley Forge Rd. BGS'.
CT 173 is not signed on BGS's for I-84 Exit 41. The northern terminus of CT 173 is about 50 feet beyond the northern end of the overpass at Hooker Dr. The route continues down South Main St about a quarter mile, and meets the northern terminus of CT 71, where CT 71 hands off New Britain Ave to CT 173 as CT 173 turns left. There is a single directional supplemental CT 173 SOUTH sign on the EB off ramp, but not on the WB ramp.
Another one is at Exit 8 on I-84. EB signage mentions US 6 EAST, and the ramp is part of the US 6 mainline. However, WB signage makes no mention of US 6, and is signed Newtown Rd/Bethel. The only mention of US 6 is on LGS's once you are off the ramp itself and on US 6 West (known internally here as SR 911) just before it joins the ramp to I-84 West. This is inconsistent with Exit 10 signage, where US 6 rejoins I-84 EB; US 6 is mentioned on BGS's in both directions.
Methinks this is an especially California phenomenon. I think some of the Utah highways designated as spurs to state facilities and parks might fit in this category.
Quote from: paulthemapguy on October 17, 2019, 08:18:46 PM
I think some of the Utah highways designated as spurs to state facilities and parks might fit in this category.
Not really - in general, the park and institutional routes are either signed like a normal route or just totally unsigned in the first place. The one exception that comes to mind is SR 319, which has several posted reassurance/END shields but is not signed from the US 40 freeway.
In Indianapolis US 52 isn't signed on its exit from I-465 to I-865 west, and US 421 isn't signed on its exit from I-465 to I-74 east. Both have reassurance markers shortly after the exit. If you enter I-465 from those roads (or any other that runs concurrently with it) you see a BGS that tells you to follow I-465 to a specific exit to stay on that highway's continuation, but I'm continually surprised that those two highways aren't signed.
I'm not sure why but, in Alberta, several towns do not display route signs within their limits, unless it's a 1 to 99 "primary" highway, and some don't even show them. Even reassurance signs don't show until after leaving the town limits.
One case is AB 501 around the east limits of Cardston and then on the south limits. 501 WB intersects with AB 2 just south of Cardston. It then branches off to the east but doesn't have directional signs from 2 or, I believe, reassurances through its length around the east and north of Cardston. Going south and intersecting again with 2 (no directional signs again), 501 WB leaves 2 at the south side of town. For the third time, no directional signs. It's only when the road reaches the southwest corner of town, and turns south, that a directional sign appears.
https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.1857789,-113.3087197,13.46z?hl=en (https://www.google.ca/maps/@49.1857789,-113.3087197,13.46z?hl=en)
Another is High River. AB 2A and 23 don't have directional signs showing that they continue through town. At the 2A/543 intersection, there's only a DS to 543, not that 2A continues. 543 only has a DS showing 2A going NB. To top it off, 2A ends and 23 begins at the intersection of 12th Ave. SE and 10th Ave. SE. The only way to tell is the town's overhead directional signs. If you're curious, the reason that 2A and 23 start at that intersection is that 2A used to go south from there but that stretch later was decommissioned.
https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.5859605,-113.8699182,13.96z?hl=en (https://www.google.ca/maps/@50.5859605,-113.8699182,13.96z?hl=en)
Quote from: MNHighwayMan on October 01, 2019, 06:54:04 AM
Access to MN-5 isn't signed on I-94 or I-35E in Saint Paul, even though there is at least one direct exit to 5 (exit 242C on I-94). Similarly, US-61 is not mentioned at I-94 exit 243 eastbound, even though Mounds Blvd is signed as US-61. (It is signed westbound, since that's where US-61's concurrency with I-94 leaves the freeway.)
There are also a couple interchanges along I-494 in Bloomington where mention of MN 5 has been omitted.
I'm thinking of Indiana 329, a very short state road south of Logansport that only exists between where SR 29 turns from north to northwest and where SR 25 exits the expressway to turn north, and isn't signed at either intersection, just with reassurance signs once you leave the intersection at either end.
The most egregious example in New York is I-587 at Thruway Exit 19 in Kingston. Signage on I-87/the Thruway only mentions NY 28, but I-587 is fully signed both along the route and on the surface.
Further up the Thruway at Exit 21B, signs mention US 9W and NY 81, but fail to mention NY 385. While neither NY 81 nor NY 385 intersect the Thruway, both intersect US 9W (which has the interchange) at the same intersection (https://goo.gl/maps/h5XATzA4avtmBsLR8).
NY 324 is unsigned from I-190 Exit 17 and is actually impossible to follow EB at that location due to a turn restriction. The concurrencies with I-190 are only across the bridges.
Quote from: cl94 on November 25, 2019, 09:05:06 PM
NY 324 is unsigned from I-190 Exit 17 and is actually impossible to follow EB at that location due to a turn restriction. The concurrencies with I-190 are only across the bridges.
Maybe, maybe not. What is signed as NY 324 is actually reference route 950C.
On I-195 SB in Richmond at VA 76, there's no mention of VA 76 on the BGS there (only Powhite Pkwy TO routes it leads to). Right after driving under the bridge that carries I-195 over the roadway, one sees a BEGIN TOLL 76 on the right.
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In Bergen County, NJ, the county routes are weird, and there is sort of the opposite situation than what the OP is asking. Instead of the "600-series" county route numbering system that most of the other counties in NJ use (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_routes_in_New_Jersey for more context), it goes from CR 26 all the way to CR 134, and there's a separate series of county routes prefixed with "S" that goes from CR S-25 to CR S-124, and also three "C" routes. Bergen County, you need to FIX your county route numbering scheme. This isn't Yu-Gi-Oh!
Here is a list of county routes in Bergen County: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_county_routes_in_Bergen_County,_New_Jersey
Now, these county routes used to use white square-shaped reassurance signs with the words "Bergen County" on it (keep in mind, this is before the days of signing county routes on traffic lights), but these signs have not been updated. Very few locals really know about them, and even Google Maps pretends they don't exist. The "500-series" county routes are signed in Bergen County just like they are in the rest of NJ, with conventional blue pentagons and so on. If you're lucky enough to stumble upon one of the old white county route signs, you have just caught a rare glimpse of one of the only ways to know what county route you're on in Bergen County.
However, this is where it gets kind of interesting. In addition to the unsuffixed, "S" series, and "C" series, there is a fourth system of route numbers unrecognized by mapping websites or Wikipedia. In this GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@41.0269199,-74.2426887,3a,75y,181.89h,98.51t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1smD4Wp7kvc4qkV-20J_ICdg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DmD4Wp7kvc4qkV-20J_ICdg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D191.46135%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656), you can see "CR 4" in an ordinary blue pentagon on a gantry. Per Wikipedia, this corresponds to CR S-91. What is up with that?