Is there a concurrency (interstate and US/state highway) you know where locals call it the secondary route over the primary route? For example, in Houston, even though portions of 59 are now co-signed with 69, most Houstonians still refer to it as 59.
US 40/I-64 in St Louis
GA 400/US 19 north of Atlanta
US 50 on FHWA I-305 in Sacramento. Most people probably even aware FHWA I-305 is even a thing. I would say US 50 is probably even more in common use these days than I-80 Business is.
MA 128 over I-95 between Canton and Peabody
Probably still a lot of Highway 51 instead of Highway 39 in central Wisconsin.
Quote from: Some one on November 24, 2019, 09:22:16 PM
Is there a concurrency (interstate and US/state highway) you know where locals call it the secondary route over the primary route? For example, in Houston, even though portions of 59 are now co-signed with 69, most Houstonians still refer to it as 59.
Probably because the Interstate designation isn't posted anywhere, but I-595 between Washington D.C. and Annapolis is known as US 50 or US 50/301.
Highway 41 :sombrero:
The short segment of PA 581 that carries US 11 in Camp Hill is usually just called 581, though even PennDOT makes an exception and considers 581 the dominant route on mile markers and in their system (SR 0581, not 0011), likely a holdover from plans to eventually make it I-581. Most signage, though, has the US 11 shield before the PA 581 shield, except for this one (https://goo.gl/maps/hh2afppxwHj5pqF58) which dates to the creation of the designation when the section connecting it to I-81 opened.
US-131 in Grand Rapids. I doubt a vast majority of the population even know it is (now unsigned) I-296.
Radio reports on WHAS in Louisville refer to I-265 as "841."
I-515/US 93/US 95 in Las Vegas & Henderson, NV is often referred to as just US 95.
I-580/US 395 in Reno, NV is often referred to as just US 395.
While traffic reporters and local commercials in both areas now tend to refer to the interstate spur on the concurrent sections and the US route on the solo sections, long-time residents in both locations often use just refer to the US route out of habit.
In both cases, the freeway crosses the interstate parent, with the interstate spur ending and the US highway continuing seamlessly. Also, the interstate spur was signed much later than the freeway's initial construction in both cases (circa 1994-95 for I-515 and circa 2012 for I-580).
It doesn't happen here. Where there are interstates and state highways or us highways running together it's always called the interstate. Like US-23 multiplexes with I-75 for about 73 miles in Michigan it's always called I-75 and not the other highway, in this example US-23 is almost never refered to even though it's signed the whole way. South of Flint and the northern part of 23 are known as US-23 though which makes sense as US-23 runs on its own right of way.
I'm sure there's plenty of people in this part of the state who still refer to I-49 as US-71, partly because the only parts 71 is not congruent to 49 in MO is where 49 does (not yet) exist.
I doubt it really happens in Illinois. Interstate designations don't really multiplex in Illinois, aside from 39/51, 72/36, and the trials and tribulations of US40 and US50 in their quest to remain continuous through the STL metro. Maybe there are some people from Springfield/Jacksonville who still refer to I-72 as US36?
And I think we can just discount mentions of unsigned Interstates over US routes. Of course locals are going to recognized signed designations in the field over hidden ones.
The only multiplexed interstates in my area are I-86/NY 17 and if you're willing to count it, I-90 and the Thruway. I don't think I've ever heard anyone call the Thruway I-90, and I'm not sure if people use I-86 or NY 17. I use both.
For a US and state example, there's US 20/NY 5. US 20 and NY 5 are multiplexed through the Finger Lakes, and most people call it "5 and 20". All of the signs I've seen list US 20 first. There used to be one sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9346519,-76.5663632,3a,15.4y,205.06h,91.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sLHSXUd8mAsU0HmJFMk1C8w!2e0!5s20120501T000000!7i13312!8i6656) I know of that listed NY 5 first, but it was replaced in 2013.
We use 72 and have all forgotten 36. It's also central Illinois expressway.
Illinois 336 is now a pointless concurrency with 110 now. Confusing as well as it was a 36 related spur.
Quote from: Michael on November 25, 2019, 08:09:33 PM
The only multiplexed interstates in my area are I-86/NY 17 and if you're willing to count it, I-90 and the Thruway. I don't think I've ever heard anyone call the Thruway I-90, and I'm not sure if people use I-86 or NY 17. I use both.
For a US and state example, there's US 20/NY 5. US 20 and NY 5 are multiplexed through the Finger Lakes, and most people call it "5 and 20". All of the signs I've seen list US 20 first. There used to be one sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9346519,-76.5663632,3a,15.4y,205.06h,91.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sLHSXUd8mAsU0HmJFMk1C8w!2e0!5s20120501T000000!7i13312!8i6656) I know of that listed NY 5 first, but it was replaced in 2013.
NY 17 is NY 17. I don't think I hear I-86 much outside of DOT and roadgeeks.
The Thruway example holds for I-87 too.
I-587/NY 28 might count, but I'm not sure if either is in common usage over Colonial Chandler Drive.
I-790 on NY 5/8/12
Quote from: dlsterner on November 24, 2019, 11:02:45 PM
Probably because the Interstate designation isn't posted anywhere, but I-595 between Washington D.C. and Annapolis is known as US 50 or US 50/301.
Definitely the case.
Nobody calls it I-595 except for the infinitesimal percentage of the population that know about the unposted Interstate route number.
Quote from: roadfro on November 25, 2019, 05:20:50 PM
I-515/US 93/US 95 in Las Vegas & Henderson, NV is often referred to as just US 95.
I-580/US 395 in Reno, NV is often referred to as just US 395.
While traffic reporters and local commercials in both areas now tend to refer to the interstate spur on the concurrent sections and the US route on the solo sections, long-time residents in both locations often use just refer to the US route out of habit.
In both cases, the freeway crosses the interstate parent, with the interstate spur ending and the US highway continuing senselessly. Also, the interstate spur was signed much later than the freeway's initial construction in both cases (circa 1994-95 for I-515 and circa 2012 for I-580).
How about US-93 for the I-11 section from Las Vegas to the Arizona/Nevada State line. I bet the new I-11 freeway is still referred to as US-93 in some areas due to how new the road designation is though.
Quote from: Michael on November 25, 2019, 08:09:33 PM
The only multiplexed interstates in my area are I-86/NY 17 and if you're willing to count it, I-90 and the Thruway. I don't think I've ever heard anyone call the Thruway I-90, and I'm not sure if people use I-86 or NY 17. I use both.
For a US and state example, there's US 20/NY 5. US 20 and NY 5 are multiplexed through the Finger Lakes, and most people call it "5 and 20". All of the signs I've seen list US 20 first. There used to be one sign (https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9346519,-76.5663632,3a,15.4y,205.06h,91.02t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sLHSXUd8mAsU0HmJFMk1C8w!2e0!5s20120501T000000!7i13312!8i6656) I know of that listed NY 5 first, but it was replaced in 2013.
I was wondering if there were some 17 holdouts up there, since there's such historicity to the route.
I'm sure it'll be a few years before I-69 between Bloomington and Indianapolis (once it's finished) will be called anything but Highway 37.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 24, 2019, 09:42:16 PM
I would say US 50 is probably even more in common use these days than I-80 Business is.
Isn't some of that due to signing changes in the last 2-3 years where Business 80 now is only signed from US 50/Route 99 at the Oak Park Interchange to the 80/Business 80 split near Watt Avenue? Some of it is also due to the US 50 carpool lane projects that emphasized the whole corridor (the El Dorado Freeway + WX Freeway + western segment of what was Business 80) as one number.
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 24, 2019, 09:42:16 PM
I would say US 50 is probably even more in common use these days than I-80 Business is.
Isn't some of that due to signing changes in the last 2-3 years where Business 80 now is only signed from US 50/Route 99 at the Oak Park Interchange to the 80/Business 80 split near Watt Avenue? Some of it is also due to the US 50 carpool lane projects that emphasized the whole corridor (the El Dorado Freeway + WX Freeway + western segment of what was Business 80) as one number.
Yes, I-80 Business was completely de-emphasized on US 50 aside from some reassurance shields on surface ramps. Even CA 51 (at least in the roadgeek world) is starting to pick up traction over I-80 Business designations. Granted, CA 51 isn't signed in field at all by legislative requirement.
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 24, 2019, 09:50:05 PM
MA 128 over I-95 between Canton and Peabody
From what I'm hearing, that's becoming less common as time passes.
Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 26, 2019, 12:32:09 AM
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Quote from: Max Rockatansky on November 24, 2019, 09:42:16 PM
I would say US 50 is probably even more in common use these days than I-80 Business is.
Isn't some of that due to signing changes in the last 2-3 years where Business 80 now is only signed from US 50/Route 99 at the Oak Park Interchange to the 80/Business 80 split near Watt Avenue? Some of it is also due to the US 50 carpool lane projects that emphasized the whole corridor (the El Dorado Freeway + WX Freeway + western segment of what was Business 80) as one number.
Yes, I-80 Business was completely de-emphasized on US 50 aside from some reassurance shields on surface ramps. Even CA 51 (at least in the roadgeek world) is starting to pick up traction over I-80 Business designations. Granted, CA 51 isn't signed in field at all by legislative requirement.
For all intents & purpose Biz 80 has evolved into more of a spur than a part of a functional loop; and even the city of Sacramento, which was the original driving force behind the Biz 80 designation to begin with, has apparently lost interest in the concept. As a regional E-W corridor, labeling the whole West Sac/W-X/El Dorado freeway corridor as a single entity as US 50 is simply recognizing the reality that even when the loop was part of I-80 before 1982, most I-80 through traffic not having particular business in Sacramento veered off via (then) I-880 around the bypass. Currently the 50 corridor rivals 80 in terms of both utility and, unfortunately, congestion; it's a much more useful designation for both local & through traffic. The whole Biz 80 situation is well past its sell-by date; Caltrans should consider initiating a legislative remedy that allows CA 51 to be signed over its northeast segment.
In NJ, I-76 is often referred to as NJ 42, the route number south of I-76 but never a concurrency.
Occasionally, I've also heard it called I-676 from a few random people. I-676 is the route north of I-76.
But it's a rare day in hell when people actually refer to I-76 as I-76.
In Wilson, NC where I-795 and US-264 overlap for a short stretch, US-264 reigns supreme. NCDOT apparently agrees since the overlap still uses US-264's mileposts and exit numbers after all these years. Of course, that will probably change once I-587 joins the club...I hope.
I cannot really think of any clear Illinois examples
Closest would be the 355/290/53 N-S Tollway/Freeway Corridor from New Lenox to Buffalo Grove being referred to as the 355/Rt 53 Combo or just 355 sometimes
72 and 39 have pretty much supplanted 36 and 51, respectively. Of course 55 literally supplanted 66
Could go Danville/Vermillion County, where IL 1 is probably the more common name for the N-S main drag, even including the multiplex with US 150
I've never heard anybody in the Indy area refer to I-465 at 31/36/37/40/52/67
I think US 91 and US 10 have pretty much been forgotten in Montana. Pretty much everyone I've spoken to refers to "The Interstate" and sometimes the number ("Interstate 15", "Interstate 90", or "Interstate 94"). Any US or state highway that multiplexes with an Interstate is pretty much forgotten as well.
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Quote from: roadfro on November 25, 2019, 05:20:50 PM
I-515/US 93/US 95 in Las Vegas & Henderson, NV is often referred to as just US 95.
I-580/US 395 in Reno, NV is often referred to as just US 395.
While traffic reporters and local commercials in both areas now tend to refer to the interstate spur on the concurrent sections and the US route on the solo sections, long-time residents in both locations often use just refer to the US route out of habit.
In both cases, the freeway crosses the interstate parent, with the interstate spur ending and the US highway continuing seamlessly. Also, the interstate spur was signed much later than the freeway's initial construction in both cases (circa 1994-95 for I-515 and circa 2012 for I-580).
How about US-93 for the I-11 section from Las Vegas to the Arizona/Nevada State line. I bet the new I-11 freeway is still referred to as US-93 in some areas due to how new the road designation is though.
I would say that it may still be referred to as US 93 when you get past Boulder City headed into Arizona, but the new bypass section is referred to as I-11. The section of I-11 within the Las Vegas Valley that used to be I-515 is still often referred to as US 95. US 93 is not referred to within the Las Vegas Valley, since it completely overlaps with either US 95 or I-15.
Quote from: dlsterner on November 24, 2019, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: Some one on November 24, 2019, 09:22:16 PM
Is there a concurrency (interstate and US/state highway) you know where locals call it the secondary route over the primary route? For example, in Houston, even though portions of 59 are now co-signed with 69, most Houstonians still refer to it as 59.
Probably because the Interstate designation isn't posted anywhere, but I-595 between Washington D.C. and Annapolis is known as US 50 or US 50/301.
Yes, I bet any of the "hidden" designated interstates are that way. I doubt many in New Orleans realize US 90 Biz is I-910 or with I-345 in Dallas it's US 75 even though 75 ends at I-30
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Quote from: sparker on November 26, 2019, 05:38:09 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 26, 2019, 12:32:09 AMQuote from: TheStranger on November 26, 2019, 12:00:26 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 24, 2019, 09:42:16 PM
I would say US 50 is probably even more in common use these days than I-80 Business is.
Isn't some of that due to signing changes in the last 2-3 years where Business 80 now is only signed from US 50/Route 99 at the Oak Park Interchange to the 80/Business 80 split near Watt Avenue? Some of it is also due to the US 50 carpool lane projects that emphasized the whole corridor (the El Dorado Freeway + WX Freeway + western segment of what was Business 80) as one number.
Yes, I-80 Business was completely de-emphasized on US 50 aside from some reassurance shields on surface ramps. Even CA 51 (at least in the roadgeek world) is starting to pick up traction over I-80 Business designations. Granted, CA 51 isn't signed in field at all by legislative requirement.
For all intents & purpose Biz 80 has evolved into more of a spur than a part of a functional loop; and even the city of Sacramento, which was the original driving force behind the Biz 80 designation to begin with, has apparently lost interest in the concept. As a regional E-W corridor, labeling the whole West Sac/W-X/El Dorado freeway corridor as a single entity as US 50 is simply recognizing the reality that even when the loop was part of I-80 before 1982, most I-80 through traffic not having particular business in Sacramento veered off via (then) I-880 around the bypass. Currently the 50 corridor rivals 80 in terms of both utility and, unfortunately, congestion; it's a much more useful designation for both local & through traffic. The whole Biz 80 situation is well past its sell-by date; Caltrans should consider initiating a legislative remedy that allows CA 51 to be signed over its northeast segment.
Isn't CA-51 supposed to be a rumored 3d State route for the rumored I-7 or I-9 though as in CA-x07 and CA-x09 . I know for years there have been a rumored I-7 that is supposed to be with CA-99 from Sacramento's US-50 @ CA-51 intterchange to Ridge Route in Kern County with I-5 though.
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Quote from: sparker on November 26, 2019, 05:38:09 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 26, 2019, 12:32:09 AMQuote from: TheStranger on November 26, 2019, 12:00:26 AMQuote from: Max Rockatansky on November 24, 2019, 09:42:16 PM
I would say US 50 is probably even more in common use these days than I-80 Business is.
Isn't some of that due to signing changes in the last 2-3 years where Business 80 now is only signed from US 50/Route 99 at the Oak Park Interchange to the 80/Business 80 split near Watt Avenue? Some of it is also due to the US 50 carpool lane projects that emphasized the whole corridor (the El Dorado Freeway + WX Freeway + western segment of what was Business 80) as one number.
Yes, I-80 Business was completely de-emphasized on US 50 aside from some reassurance shields on surface ramps. Even CA 51 (at least in the roadgeek world) is starting to pick up traction over I-80 Business designations. Granted, CA 51 isn't signed in field at all by legislative requirement.
For all intents & purpose Biz 80 has evolved into more of a spur than a part of a functional loop; and even the city of Sacramento, which was the original driving force behind the Biz 80 designation to begin with, has apparently lost interest in the concept. As a regional E-W corridor, labeling the whole West Sac/W-X/El Dorado freeway corridor as a single entity as US 50 is simply recognizing the reality that even when the loop was part of I-80 before 1982, most I-80 through traffic not having particular business in Sacramento veered off via (then) I-880 around the bypass. Currently the 50 corridor rivals 80 in terms of both utility and, unfortunately, congestion; it's a much more useful designation for both local & through traffic. The whole Biz 80 situation is well past its sell-by date; Caltrans should consider initiating a legislative remedy that allows CA 51 to be signed over its northeast segment.
Isn't CA-51 supposed to be a rumored 3d State route for the rumored I-7 or I-9 though as in CA-x07 and CA-x09 . I know for years there have been a rumored I-7 that is supposed to be with CA-99 from Sacramento's US-50 @ CA-51 intterchange to Ridge Route in Kern County with I-5 though.
The CA 51 portion of I-80 Business isn't up to Interstate standards and the attempts to improve it when it was part of I-80 failed. Even if a hypothetical I-7/I-9 were to happen I doubt there would be much interest in improving CA 51.
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Quote from: dlsterner on November 24, 2019, 11:02:45 PM
Quote from: Some one on November 24, 2019, 09:22:16 PM
Is there a concurrency (interstate and US/state highway) you know where locals call it the secondary route over the primary route? For example, in Houston, even though portions of 59 are now co-signed with 69, most Houstonians still refer to it as 59.
Probably because the Interstate designation isn't posted anywhere, but I-595 between Washington D.C. and Annapolis is known as US 50 or US 50/301.
Yes, I bet any of the "hidden" designated interstates are that way. I doubt many in New Orleans realize US 90 Biz is I-910 or with I-345 in Dallas it's US 75 even though 75 ends at I-30
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Quote from: jeffandnicole on November 26, 2019, 06:12:27 AM
In NJ, I-76 is often referred to as NJ 42, the route number south of I-76 but never a concurrency.
Occasionally, I've also heard it called I-676 from a few random people. I-676 is the route north of I-76.
But it's a rare day in hell when people actually refer to I-76 as I-76.
I actually saw a news report this morning refer to an accident that occurred in the EB lanes as "I-76 South". We're getting better I guess.
Quote from: DJ Particle on November 26, 2019, 03:45:06 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 24, 2019, 09:50:05 PM
MA 128 over I-95 between Canton and Peabody
From what I'm hearing, that's becoming less common as time passes.
Spent a few weekends this past summer in the Boston area. Whenever the I-95/MA 128 section got mentioned by traffic reporters, I rarely (if ever) heard any mention of I-95. If the locals insist on referencing 128, then I think MassDOT should have just let it be prominently be cosigned with I-95 out in the field.
In MSP, probably some older folks who still refer to I-394 as Highway 12 or more likely Wayzata Blvd, since 394 was only officially designated less than 30 years ago.
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Quote from: DJ Particle on November 26, 2019, 03:45:06 AM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on November 24, 2019, 09:50:05 PM
MA 128 over I-95 between Canton and Peabody
From what I'm hearing, that's becoming less common as time passes.
Spent a few weekends this past summer in the Boston area. Whenever the I-95/MA 128 section got mentioned by traffic reporters, I rarely (if ever) heard any mention of I-95. If the locals insist on referencing 128, then I think MassDOT should have just let it be prominently be cosigned with I-95 out in the field.
It's media and mostly people over 40. I find most younger than me calls it 95. The media still calls the 93 stretch '128' despite the number being gone for 30 years.
I-39 up the middle of the state is almost always called "51". Not even "highway 51", just simply 51.
Quote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2019, 09:32:56 AM
It's media and mostly people over 40. I find most younger than me calls it 95. The media still calls the 93 stretch '128' despite the number being gone for 30 years.
This...I was talking more about common usage than what the news calls it. My source is my little brother, who has lived in the area since about 2002. Hell, he's over 40 himself and is sick of the news and older people still calling it "128"...and he's not even a road geek.
I know some people who think the Delaware Memorial Bridge (which carries I-295 and US 40) is just US 40 with I-295 starting in NJ at the split with the NJ Turnpike.
Quote from: DJ Particle on December 09, 2019, 01:44:16 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2019, 09:32:56 AM
It's media and mostly people over 40. I find most younger than me calls it 95. The media still calls the 93 stretch '128' despite the number being gone for 30 years.
This...I was talking more about common usage than what the news calls it. My source is my little brother, who has lived in the area since about 2002. Hell, he's over 40 himself and is sick of the news and older people still calling it "128"...and he's not even a road geek.
That may be true of your brother, but people in the area still use "128" and "495" as radial landmarks in the Boston area. If you're outside of 128, you're well into the suburbs; beyond 495 you're in the boonies and might as well be in Worcester or NH. And snow accumulations rise dramatically when you cross each one. It's still 6 to 8 inches outside of 128 (and not 95) and 8 to 12 inches beyond 495. And I doubt it will ever change.
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Quote from: DJ Particle on December 09, 2019, 01:44:16 AM
Quote from: SectorZ on December 08, 2019, 09:32:56 AM
It's media and mostly people over 40. I find most younger than me calls it 95. The media still calls the 93 stretch '128' despite the number being gone for 30 years.
This...I was talking more about common usage than what the news calls it. My source is my little brother, who has lived in the area since about 2002. Hell, he's over 40 himself and is sick of the news and older people still calling it "128"...and he's not even a road geek.
That may be true of your brother, but people in the area still use "128" and "495" as radial landmarks in the Boston area. If you're outside of 128, you're well into the suburbs; beyond 495 you're in the boonies and might as well be in Worcester or NH. And snow accumulations rise dramatically when you cross each one. It's still 6 to 8 inches outside of 128 (and not 95) and 8 to 12 inches beyond 495. And I doubt it will ever change.
With an influx of new people into the area and younger people who've never seen 128 signed primarily as 128, it's a lot less. Keep in mind there are very few overhead signs referencing 128 anymore, none of which are on I-95 itself.
I feel bad for people new to the area wondering what '128' is between Canton and Braintree. That really needs to stop and it's enabled by people who can't accept change.
the new I-87 is still called "64" by everyone around eastern NC. I-87 is known, but only as a new number that disappears after passing Knightdale. So therefore the road is still called 64.
I predict the same thing will happen when I-42 shows up on Highway 70 east of Garner. Local folks will say "its been Highway 70 for over fifty years, why did they change the number?"
Quote from: webny99 on November 26, 2019, 08:05:35 PM
Rochester is unique in that we have I-390/NY 390 and I-590/NY 590. However, it's rare to specify which one you're talking about, so tough to say if that qualifies for this thread.
Los Angeles area the same thing is true such as CA-110/I-110 and I-210/CA-210. Note there is a CA-710 at the CA-134 @ I-210 interchange but locals refer to that as the I-710 gap when they are talking about CA-710.
Quote from: hbelkins on November 25, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
Radio reports on WHAS in Louisville refer to I-265 as "841."
It's been 3 years and they still haven't adjusted.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on November 25, 2019, 06:20:05 PM
I'm sure there's plenty of people in this part of the state who still refer to I-49 as US-71, partly because the only parts 71 is not congruent to 49 in MO is where 49 does (not yet) exist.
Same goes further south in Arkansas. Google's navigation even still refers to I-49 as US-71 when turning north off the Wedington Rd. exit. It's been I-49 everywhere here other than Bella Vista for the last 2 years now, so maybe they'll eventually change it. And it was I-540 for a number of years prior to that.
It's funny... in Minneapolis, they usually don't let go of old names. The Dayton's downtown was always called "Dayton's" even when it became Marshall Fields and later Macy's. Now that Macy's has moved out, they're officially calling the soon to be office building "The Dayton's Building" again. :-D
Same for the Speedway stores in the area. Many still call them "SA".
The MSP airport terminals were stripped of their names (Lindburgh, Humphrey) by Delta when they took over ownership, in favor of simply "Terminal 1" and "Terminal 2". The Light Rail, and the locals, still refer to them by their old names.
Given that, I find it rather odd that no one still calls I-394 "Highway 12" :-D
QuoteGiven that, I find it rather odd that no one still calls I-394 "Highway 12"
You're not talking to the right people...😌
Plenty of us "old timers" who still call 62 "the Crosstown", too.
Does anyone still call the PA Turnpike NE Extension "9" instead of "476?"
Quote from: hbelkins on December 18, 2019, 01:00:55 PM
Does anyone still call the PA Turnpike NE Extension "9" instead of "476?"
I never called it that, even when I lived there in the 1970s.
Nor do I recall anyone else calling it Route 9.
Just the "Northeast Extension."
Quote from: froggie on December 18, 2019, 11:02:21 AM
Plenty of us "old timers" who still call 62 "the Crosstown", too.
Heh... I'm not even originally from here, and *I* call it "The Crosstown" at times.
Though I do get odd stares at times when I talk about "Route" 100, 7, 62, etc... :-D
Was funny though...about a month after I moved here, in July '98, I asked for direction to Best Brains studios in Eden Prairie, and I was told to take "The Crosstown" to 169, and I had no idea what they were talking about back then. :-D
Quote from: ilpt4u on November 26, 2019, 08:32:53 AM
Closest would be the 355/290/53 N-S Tollway/Freeway Corridor from New Lenox to Buffalo Grove being referred to as the 355/Rt 53 Combo or just 355 sometimes
IL 53 over I-290 does qualify. What's worse is when the section of I-290 between Biesterfield Road (where IL 53 exits/enters I-290) and I-355 is referred to as just Route 53. This can be confusing when someone refers to a spot location on Route 53 between Biesterfield and the I-290/I-355 interchange.
Some of the actual signing also omits I-290 in favor of IL 53 (https://goo.gl/maps/z99SjJh8LuWrKiAK7), or at least seems to favor IL 53. (https://goo.gl/maps/rJLQQon8Lwsxj1iLA)
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Quote from: ilpt4u on November 26, 2019, 08:32:53 AM
Closest would be the 355/290/53 N-S Tollway/Freeway Corridor from New Lenox to Buffalo Grove being referred to as the 355/Rt 53 Combo or just 355 sometimes
IL 53 over I-290 does qualify. What's worse is when the section of I-290 between Biesterfield Road (where IL 53 exits/enters I-290) and I-355 is referred to as just Route 53. This can be confusing when someone refers to a spot location on Route 53 between Biesterfield and the I-290/I-355 interchange.
Some of the actual signing also omits I-290 in favor of IL 53 (https://goo.gl/maps/z99SjJh8LuWrKiAK7), or at least seems to favor IL 53. (https://goo.gl/maps/rJLQQon8Lwsxj1iLA)
Beating a dead horse, but the whole corridor should be I-355, and I-290 should be Decommissioned. I doubt if IDOT ever even attempts to correct/improve the numbering/designations
That signage makes sense, kinda, due to IL 53 being the North/South route, and its a North/South Freeway. Also 290 ending @ I-90, and the Freeway continues as IL 53 exclusively
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I would say US 50 is probably even more in common use these days than I-80 Business is.
Isn't some of that due to signing changes in the last 2-3 years where Business 80 now is only signed from US 50/Route 99 at the Oak Park Interchange to the 80/Business 80 split near Watt Avenue? Some of it is also due to the US 50 carpool lane projects that emphasized the whole corridor (the El Dorado Freeway + WX Freeway + western segment of what was Business 80) as one number.
Yes, I-80 Business was completely de-emphasized on US 50 aside from some reassurance shields on surface ramps. Even CA 51 (at least in the roadgeek world) is starting to pick up traction over I-80 Business designations. Granted, CA 51 isn't signed in field at all by legislative requirement.
For all intents & purpose Biz 80 has evolved into more of a spur than a part of a functional loop; and even the city of Sacramento, which was the original driving force behind the Biz 80 designation to begin with, has apparently lost interest in the concept. As a regional E-W corridor, labeling the whole West Sac/W-X/El Dorado freeway corridor as a single entity as US 50 is simply recognizing the reality that even when the loop was part of I-80 before 1982, most I-80 through traffic not having particular business in Sacramento veered off via (then) I-880 around the bypass. Currently the 50 corridor rivals 80 in terms of both utility and, unfortunately, congestion; it's a much more useful designation for both local & through traffic. The whole Biz 80 situation is well past its sell-by date; Caltrans should consider initiating a legislative remedy that allows CA 51 to be signed over its northeast segment.
Isn't CA-51 supposed to be a rumored 3d State route for the rumored I-7 or I-9 though as in CA-x07 and CA-x09 . I know for years there have been a rumored I-7 that is supposed to be with CA-99 from Sacramento's US-50 @ CA-51 interchange to Ridge Route in Kern County with I-5 though.
The CA 51 portion of I-80 Business isn't up to Interstate standards and the attempts to improve it when it was part of I-80 failed. Even if a hypothetical I-7/I-9 were to happen I doubt there would be much interest in improving CA 51.
Even if CA-99 were to be I-7 or I-9 in the next few years. At least in the first 5 years with the new interstate designation older residents would refer of I-7 or I-9 as CA-99 due to its historical importance.
Quote from: Revive 755 on December 20, 2019, 09:34:11 AM
IL 53 over I-290 does qualify. What's worse is when the section of I-290 between Biesterfield Road (where IL 53 exits/enters I-290) and I-355 is referred to as just Route 53. This can be confusing when someone refers to a spot location on Route 53 between Biesterfield and the I-290/I-355 interchange.
We moved to the area after IL 53 was routed back to Rohlwing Road between Biesterfield Rd. and Army Trail Rd. so it took me a while to understand why people (including traffic reporters) referred to I-290/I-355 in that area as 53 even though it had been years since it had been. I do remember one day hearing a traffic reporter refer to an accident on Thorndale Ave. (pre conversion to today's IL 390) as being between 53 and Rohlwing Rd. and since 53 and Rohlwing Rd. were the same thing jokingly said "must be in the middle in the intersection".
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Radio reports on WHAS in Louisville refer to I-265 as "841."
It's been 3 years and they still haven't adjusted.
The segments west of 65 and north of 71 are still signed as 841 in the field (confirmed this on Tuesday.)
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Quote from: hbelkins on November 25, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
Radio reports on WHAS in Louisville refer to I-265 as "841."
It's been 3 years and they still haven't adjusted.
The segments west of 65 and north of 71 are still signed as 841 in the field (confirmed this on Tuesday.)
And the concurrency with I-265 is also signed as 841. I just wonder if they don't do that to avoid confusion with the north side of the river.
Quote from: thspfc on December 08, 2019, 01:55:10 PM
I-39 up the middle of the state is almost always called "51". Not even "highway 51", just simply 51.
They're trying hard to change the behavior. The signs on 90/94 leading up to it had (TO) 51 removed. Recently a new roundabout was installed in point at the north end of Business 51 with only 39 referenced. Point's section had the blue milepost signs installed with 39 as the owner of the mileposts - a blatant lie as the miles are for 51 (correctly marked in Wausau metro even on the 39 portion.) The DOT has a habit of marking a road for its lowest route number when concurrencies exist.
Searcy, Arkansas is the opposite. The US 67 freeway is often referred at as "the interstate"
Quote from: hbelkins on December 28, 2019, 08:54:00 PM
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Quote from: hbelkins on November 25, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
Radio reports on WHAS in Louisville refer to I-265 as "841."
It's been 3 years and they still haven't adjusted.
The segments west of 65 and north of 71 are still signed as 841 in the field (confirmed this on Tuesday.)
And the concurrency with I-265 is also signed as 841. I just wonder if they don't do that to avoid confusion with the north side of the river.
Surely, AASHTO/FHWA has approved signing 265 west of 71. The bridge has been finished for years.
Quote from: JMoses24 on December 29, 2019, 07:10:28 PM
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Quote from: JMoses24 on December 28, 2019, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on December 17, 2019, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 25, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
Radio reports on WHAS in Louisville refer to I-265 as "841."
It's been 3 years and they still haven't adjusted.
The segments west of 65 and north of 71 are still signed as 841 in the field (confirmed this on Tuesday.)
And the concurrency with I-265 is also signed as 841. I just wonder if they don't do that to avoid confusion with the north side of the river.
Surely, AASHTO/FHWA has approved signing 265 west of 71. The bridge has been finished for years.
It was approved a few months ago. The link was posted somewhere.
An email to kytc.district5info@ky.gov might get someone an answer as to when the signs will be posted in Kentucky.
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I'm sure there's plenty of people in this part of the state who still refer to I-49 as US-71, partly because the only parts 71 is not congruent to 49 in MO is where 49 does (not yet) exist.
Same goes further south in Arkansas. Google's navigation even still refers to I-49 as US-71 when turning north off the Wedington Rd. exit. It's been I-49 everywhere here other than Bella Vista for the last 2 years now, so maybe they'll eventually change it. And it was I-540 for a number of years prior to that.
Occasionally, people refer to I-49 in Kansas City and Grandview as US 71 (or "71 Highway"), but when I hear it mentioned on news reports, it's referred to as I-49. I think I recall hearing the non-Interstate portion of US 71, between I-435 and I-670, referred to as I-49 by mistake.
Quote from: hbelkins on December 30, 2019, 09:14:56 PM
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Quote from: hbelkins on December 28, 2019, 08:54:00 PM
Quote from: JMoses24 on December 28, 2019, 12:22:02 PM
Quote from: dvferyance on December 17, 2019, 09:25:17 PM
Quote from: hbelkins on November 25, 2019, 01:46:21 PM
Radio reports on WHAS in Louisville refer to I-265 as "841."
It's been 3 years and they still haven't adjusted.
The segments west of 65 and north of 71 are still signed as 841 in the field (confirmed this on Tuesday.)
And the concurrency with I-265 is also signed as 841. I just wonder if they don't do that to avoid confusion with the north side of the river.
Surely, AASHTO/FHWA has approved signing 265 west of 71. The bridge has been finished for years.
It was approved a few months ago. The link was posted somewhere.
An email to kytc.district5info@ky.gov might get someone an answer as to when the signs will be posted in Kentucky.
The I-265 Designation and Shield between I-65 in Indiana, across the Ohio and under a tunnel, to I-71 in Kentucky was approved at the Spring 2019 AASHTO Meeting
https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25118.0
Quote from: US71 on December 29, 2019, 09:37:06 AM
Searcy, Arkansas is the opposite. The US 67 freeway is often referred at as "the interstate"
Was it not officially designated as part of I-57 already? Some wording in some bill pushed by some Arkansas politician's work?
Probably is not going to be Signed as I-57 until at least the Walnut Ridge-Poplar Bluff Freeway segment is built...possibly not until that + the Poplar Bluff-Sikeston segment is Fully Access Controlled/Interstate Standard
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Quote from: US71 on December 29, 2019, 09:37:06 AM
Searcy, Arkansas is the opposite. The US 67 freeway is often referred at as "the interstate"
Was it not officially designated as part of I-57 already? Some wording in some bill pushed by some Arkansas politician's work?
Probably is not going to be Signed as I-57 until at least the Walnut Ridge-Poplar Bluff Freeway segment is built...possibly not until that + the Poplar Bluff-Sikeston segment is Fully Access Controlled/Interstate Standard
FUTURE I-57.
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Rochester is unique in that we have I-390/NY 390 and I-590/NY 590. However, it's rare to specify which one you're talking about, so tough to say if that qualifies for this thread.
Los Angeles area the same thing is true such as CA-110/I-110 and I-210/CA-210. Note there is a CA-710 at the CA-134 @ I-210 interchange but locals refer to that as the I-710 gap when they are talking about CA-710.
Literally no. If anyone even refers to the northern 710 spur (because even people in Pasadena aren't particularly aware of its route number other than because of the fight over the tunnel) they call it the 710 gap or the uncompleted portion of the 710. Nobody's distinguishing between California versus Interstate. The 110 is also simply the 110 Freeway. Not I-110. Not Interstate 110. Not California 110. Not State Route 110.
The latest one is in Orlando on I-4. As a result of new signage from the I-4 Ultimate, both US 17 & 92 are omitted from the US 17 & 92 and SR 50 overlap exits. Plus I do not even think any folks know that US 17 & 92 are even overlapped with SR 50 on Colonial Drive as the same two routes overlap US 441 for several miles and most people in Orlando if not calling the road OBT are calling it Highway 441 or four forty-one. So I would think its either Colonial or Highway 50 or just plain ole fifty!
Yet, in Sanford where US 17 & 92 overlap SR 46 along French Avenue the state road is omitted and even signed as "TO." However, that new realignment taking US 17 & 92 off the Lake Monroe Waterfront moving the two US Routes onto another part of SR 46 (and Seminole County Road 15) I will guess that both state and county number designations will still be called and many will think old US 17 & 92 are still US 17 & 92 there.
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Rochester is unique in that we have I-390/NY 390 and I-590/NY 590. However, it's rare to specify which one you're talking about, so tough to say if that qualifies for this thread.
Los Angeles area the same thing is true such as CA-110/I-110 and I-210/CA-210. Note there is a CA-710 at the CA-134 @ I-210 interchange but locals refer to that as the I-710 gap when they are talking about CA-710.
Literally no. If anyone even refers to the northern 710 spur (because even people in Pasadena aren't particularly aware of its route number other than because of the fight over the tunnel) they call it the 710 gap or the uncompleted portion of the 710. Nobody's distinguishing between California versus Interstate. The 110 is also simply the 110 Freeway. Not I-110. Not Interstate 110. Not California 110. Not State Route 110.
You're right on that one. Also its mainly in Sacramento where naming route numbers to make distinctions on route numbers between California and Interstate due to the history over Business 80 and I-80. Yes SoCal is mainly "The ___" Freeway.
I hear a decent amount of people refer to the I-90/OH 2 concurrency from Elyria to Rocky River as Route 2 over I-90
However, I think I've only ever heard that from people who live west of the concurrency and use OH 2 to get to the Cleveland metro, so I'm not sure what the actual locals to that stretch primarily call it.
Quote from: SectorZ on December 17, 2019, 01:54:30 PM
I feel bad for people new to the area wondering what '128' is between Canton and Braintree. That really needs to stop and it's enabled by people who can't accept change.
Which, from my experience living there for 4 years, describes most people from eastern Mass.