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Title: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: hotdogPi on December 07, 2019, 04:14:58 PM
Medford, MA: "No heavy trucks" with that exact wording. Other towns in the area have their own wordings, but I don't remember them off the top of my head.

Somerville, MA likes to make residential roads open to residents only (and sometimes bicycles) between 7-9 AM and 4-6 PM, but the wording varies. This takes the form of both "do not enter" signs and "no left/right turn" signs.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 07, 2019, 04:43:26 PM
The City of Fresno tends to use these oversized California Spades with weird font:

https://flic.kr/p/2h41uTy

Or spades on blanks:

https://flic.kr/p/27hwYaG

Both styles seem pretty exclusive to Fresno. 

A street blade design that seems to be largely exclusive to Fresno County is just to put the name of the street on a green blade but not; Avenue, Road, Place, Drive, Boulevard, etc. 
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: Flint1979 on December 07, 2019, 06:39:49 PM
I used to know when I was in the city of Detroit by the street signs they used. Same with Saginaw.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: vdeane on December 07, 2019, 10:17:05 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 07, 2019, 04:14:58 PM
Somerville, MA likes to make residential roads open to residents only (and sometimes bicycles) between 7-9 AM and 4-6 PM, but the wording varies. This takes the form of both "do not enter" signs and "no left/right turn" signs.
What happens if you're visiting someone and that's when you happen to arrive?
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: MikeTheActuary on December 07, 2019, 11:36:07 PM
Trucks are requested NOT to use my street:  https://www.google.com/maps/@41.9159402,-72.6861176,3a,15y,287.57h,84.48t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sd95EdRL-oc0vhuwlLGINZw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

There is an industrial/warehouse park at the west end of the street.  As the park was built out, truck drivers who trusted GPS rather than signs for guidance preferred to use the residential portion of the street when traveling between the freeway and the park, creating noise and safety issues.  (Sight lines are lousy, and there are walkers/joggers/bicyclists who also use the street.)

State law wouldn't permit the town to ban trucks from the street, but town officials could "request" that trucks not use the street.

I don't think the signs have done that much good; truck traffic didn't start to go down until they put in a traffic circle as a calming tactic (and, I assume, got the GPS navigation algorithms to prefer the "requested" route to/from Route 20)...and until they put some large boulders in the center of the traffic circle.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: jay8g on December 08, 2019, 02:04:34 AM
Seattle loves these "no parking within 30 feet" signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6491985,-122.3361241,3a,36y,310.06h,84.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1KbPXULpA7RAw4CErATuaw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en), which are present beneath almost every stop sign and also used with crosswalk signs from time to time. In fact, in Seattle it's weird to see a stop sign without some sort of no parking sign under it. Other cities in the area sometimes use similar signs, but nowhere near as frequently.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: jakeroot on December 08, 2019, 03:31:32 AM
Quote from: jay8g on December 08, 2019, 02:04:34 AM
Seattle loves these "no parking within 30 feet" signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@47.6491985,-122.3361241,3a,36y,310.06h,84.1t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1KbPXULpA7RAw4CErATuaw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en), which are present beneath almost every stop sign and also used with crosswalk signs from time to time. In fact, in Seattle it's weird to see a stop sign without some sort of no parking sign under it. Other cities in the area sometimes use similar signs, but nowhere near as frequently.

Tacoma also loved to post those signs, but most use this absolutely tiny variation (https://goo.gl/maps/JyrS5s1Jyj3SSkRc7). They're slowly disappearing, however, being replaced by small sections of red curbing and "NO PARKING" signs instead.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: Brandon on December 08, 2019, 09:17:42 AM
A few unique to Chicago signs:

No Outlet (with an arrow) and a "Cul-de-Sac No Outlet" sign: https://goo.gl/maps/fyxCoLHSXZm8yYrP6
Temporary "No Parking" signage: https://goo.gl/maps/fbttfTS9KxVRVok17
How many places use "Senior Citizens" below a pedestrian crossing sign? https://goo.gl/maps/TFCVt7oxa1cHm7oq7
No Peddling: https://goo.gl/maps/EDkDH6SarDZeU4vV8
Blind and Deaf: https://goo.gl/maps/sEc8B5JR4y2opaRD6
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: kphoger on December 09, 2019, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 07, 2019, 10:17:05 PM

Quote from: 1 on December 07, 2019, 04:14:58 PM
Somerville, MA likes to make residential roads open to residents only (and sometimes bicycles) between 7-9 AM and 4-6 PM, but the wording varies. This takes the form of both "do not enter" signs and "no left/right turn" signs.

What happens if you're visiting someone and that's when you happen to arrive?

And is this an attempt to keep people from parking on the street to pick up schoolchildren?
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: deathtopumpkins on December 09, 2019, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 09, 2019, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 07, 2019, 10:17:05 PM

Quote from: 1 on December 07, 2019, 04:14:58 PM
Somerville, MA likes to make residential roads open to residents only (and sometimes bicycles) between 7-9 AM and 4-6 PM, but the wording varies. This takes the form of both "do not enter" signs and "no left/right turn" signs.

What happens if you're visiting someone and that's when you happen to arrive?

And is this an attempt to keep people from parking on the street to pick up schoolchildren?

It's an attempt to prevent people from using tiny residential streets as cut-throughs to get around traffic congestion during peak hours.

It's not really enforced (or even enforceable), but the hope is the signs will deter enough people.

For the record, "residents" are defined as city residents, identifiable by parking permit stickers, rather than just residents of the specific street. Presumably if a cop were to stop a non-resident dropping off a resident on the street, or a visitor arriving, such would be quick and easy to determine.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: mrsman on December 15, 2019, 02:32:36 PM
Quote from: deathtopumpkins on December 09, 2019, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: kphoger on December 09, 2019, 01:42:01 PM
Quote from: vdeane on December 07, 2019, 10:17:05 PM

Quote from: 1 on December 07, 2019, 04:14:58 PM
Somerville, MA likes to make residential roads open to residents only (and sometimes bicycles) between 7-9 AM and 4-6 PM, but the wording varies. This takes the form of both "do not enter" signs and "no left/right turn" signs.

What happens if you're visiting someone and that's when you happen to arrive?

And is this an attempt to keep people from parking on the street to pick up schoolchildren?

It's an attempt to prevent people from using tiny residential streets as cut-throughs to get around traffic congestion during peak hours.

It's not really enforced (or even enforceable), but the hope is the signs will deter enough people.

For the record, "residents" are defined as city residents, identifiable by parking permit stickers, rather than just residents of the specific street. Presumably if a cop were to stop a non-resident dropping off a resident on the street, or a visitor arriving, such would be quick and easy to determine.

In most areas, where they restrict turns to deter cut-through traffic, they have to restrict all people from making the turn, not just non-residents for legal reasons.  Often, it is a turn from a major street to a minor street.  In those cases, there is usually a roundabout way to get to the restricted street.

Here is one that i am familiar with in L.A.  No right turn from Pico to Roxbury, or the next block Costello.  3-7 pm weekdays.

https://www.google.com/maps/@34.0539206,-118.4020942,3a,75y,97.47h,89.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sl6oO2cOyLOWgGL0e0cSOEA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

But you can take Pico to Beverwil and then make a right on one of those local streets (Alcott, Saturn, or Cashio) to get to the same area.

So residents are also inconvenienced in not being able to make the turns, but they are happy to remove the traffic from their local streets and reach their streets the longer way.

Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: PHLBOS on December 18, 2019, 10:53:10 AM
For 25+ years, its supplemental, yellow PLEASE sign placards placed adjacent to key regulatory and/or warning signs has been a Marblehead, MA standard.
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/heraldmailmedia.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/32/0324429d-a882-5e87-b715-93100c331c79/5459a6faddd2d.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C1199)
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: roadman on December 18, 2019, 11:25:42 AM
Quote from: Brandon on December 08, 2019, 09:17:42 AM
How many places use "Senior Citizens" below a pedestrian crossing sign? https://goo.gl/maps/TFCVt7oxa1cHm7oq7

Some communities in Massachusetts have Senior Citizen Safety Zones adjacent to elder housing facilities.  The signing is a standard twin beacon blank out speed limit similar to those used in school zones, but the plate beneath the speed reads Senior Citizen Safety Zone instead of School.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: Big John on December 18, 2019, 11:43:51 AM
Even omitting the PLEASE placard, what does "SLOW THICKLY SETTLED" mean?
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: kphoger on December 18, 2019, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Big John on December 18, 2019, 11:43:51 AM
Even omitting the PLEASE placard, what does "SLOW THICKLY SETTLED" mean?

It means it's a congested area, so you should slow down as a precaution.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: hotdogPi on December 18, 2019, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: kphoger on December 18, 2019, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Big John on December 18, 2019, 11:43:51 AM
Even omitting the PLEASE placard, what does "SLOW THICKLY SETTLED" mean?

It means it's a congested area, so you should slow down as a precaution.

It also means that if there's a default speed limit of 40, it becomes 30 (or 25, depending on the town). The default speed limit reduction applies whether the sign is there or not.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: roadman on December 18, 2019, 12:36:44 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 18, 2019, 11:53:00 AM
Quote from: kphoger on December 18, 2019, 11:49:46 AM
Quote from: Big John on December 18, 2019, 11:43:51 AM
Even omitting the PLEASE placard, what does "SLOW THICKLY SETTLED" mean?

It means it's a congested area, so you should slow down as a precaution.

It also means that if there's a default speed limit of 40, it becomes 30 (or 25, depending on the town). The default speed limit reduction applies whether the sign is there or not.

Not quite.  If there is a regulatory speed limit legally posted per MGL Chapter 90 Section 18 on a section of road, that speed limit remains in force through the thickly settled area unless there is either a different speed limit legally posted or an "END SPEED ZONE" sign posted upon entering the thickly settled area. The prima-facie speed limit of 30 mph for thickly settled areas, or the 25 mph "citywide" limit some municipalities have adopted, only applies to streets and roads within a community that do not have legally posted speed limits.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: SectorZ on December 18, 2019, 02:53:53 PM
Livingston St in my lovely town used to have a sign for "Dear Crossing" (with pic of 2 people with canes walking) near it's senior housing. It was put up in the early 90's, disappeared sometime in the decade I wasn't living here before moving back in 2014. The area has standard ped signage now.

Appears that concept, though not the sign, exists other places. Lakeville MA senior housing is located at "1 Dear Crossing".
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: Rothman on December 18, 2019, 02:59:53 PM
Heh.  Upon moving to Massachusetts from points west, my parents were amused by the "thickly settled" signs.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: RobbieL2415 on December 18, 2019, 05:36:39 PM
My town likes to use supplementary word signs under pictograms.  Like having the word "hill" underneath a steep grade sign.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: Scott5114 on December 18, 2019, 09:12:50 PM
Quote from: RobbieL2415 on December 18, 2019, 05:36:39 PM
My town likes to use supplementary word signs under pictograms.  Like having the word "hill" underneath a steep grade sign.

That used to be the standard when the pictograms were new. Eventually the explanatory plaques were done away with. May just be that your town never got the memo that they don't have to post those anymore.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: roadfro on December 20, 2019, 08:23:06 PM
Quote from: PHLBOS on December 18, 2019, 10:53:10 AM
For 25+ years, its supplemental, yellow PLEASE sign placards placed adjacent to key regulatory and/or warning signs has been a Marblehead, MA standard.
(https://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/heraldmailmedia.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/32/0324429d-a882-5e87-b715-93100c331c79/5459a6faddd2d.image.jpg?resize=1200%2C1199)
Was sign compliance so bad that the town had to ask nicely for drivers to obey? And did asking nicely result in better compliance? ... Seems like a waste to me.

And I'm not even sure what putting "please" under a crosswalk warning sign is even trying to convey.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: DaBigE on December 20, 2019, 08:56:44 PM
Quote from: roadfro on December 20, 2019, 08:23:06 PM
And I'm not even sure what putting "please" under a crosswalk warning sign is even trying to convey.

Maybe hoping to get more people to cross at the marked crosswalk instead of mid-block?
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: kphoger on December 23, 2019, 11:18:48 AM
Or politely requesting that drivers not run people over.

The warning sign is for traffic on the road, after all.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: jakeroot on December 24, 2019, 12:08:20 AM
Quote from: DaBigE on December 20, 2019, 08:56:44 PM
Maybe hoping to get more people to cross at the marked crosswalk instead of mid-block?

As a city-dweller...no. I'm not going to add five minutes to my journey just to use a stupid marked crosswalk. I'm going to wait for cars to clear, but I'll cross wherever I want.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: KEVIN_224 on December 24, 2019, 04:00:46 PM
Nice to see the Andre The Giant "OBEY" type sticker on the above sign! :D

THICKLY SETTLED? Are they using molasses for a holiday dish?

As for Windsor (CT): "Rainbow" something or other? Is that by Poquonock or I-91?  :awesomeface:
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: jp the roadgeek on December 24, 2019, 04:16:24 PM
There used to be signs in my town for deaf children that when read in order seemed a little strange


   DEAF

  SLOW

CHILDREN

Haven't seen one in about 30 years.


And Rainbow is along the Farmington River just northwest of Poquonock a couple miles south of Bradley.  There is a dam there with a fish hatchery that my class went to on a field trip. 
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: US71 on December 25, 2019, 02:11:16 PM
I see these in Texas occasionally
(https://live.staticflickr.com/2066/2528162029_8d7226b0c7_z_d.jpg)
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: Max Rockatansky on December 25, 2019, 02:12:47 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 24, 2019, 04:16:24 PM
There used to be signs in my town for deaf children that when read in order seemed a little strange


   DEAF

  SLOW

CHILDREN

Haven't seen one in about 30 years.


And Rainbow is along the Farmington River just northwest of Poquonock a couple miles south of Bradley.  There is a dam there with a fish hatchery that my class went to on a field trip.

We had those in New Milford, CT in the 1990s. 
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: mrcmc888 on December 26, 2019, 10:12:00 PM
I've only ever seen "MUST EXIT" instead of "EXIT ONLY" on Wilmington, DE freeways.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.73543,-75.5636565,3a,75y,42.4h,96.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siLsrpJfRTPptQYmeZVwZsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.73543,-75.5636565,3a,75y,42.4h,96.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siLsrpJfRTPptQYmeZVwZsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7440014,-75.5601151,3a,75y,36.78h,89.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s28TO4-w2nNTW5FovsJXJ3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7440014,-75.5601151,3a,75y,36.78h,89.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s28TO4-w2nNTW5FovsJXJ3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: stevashe on December 27, 2019, 09:08:52 PM
Quote from: mrcmc888 on December 26, 2019, 10:12:00 PM
I've only ever seen "MUST EXIT" instead of "EXIT ONLY" on Wilmington, DE freeways.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.73543,-75.5636565,3a,75y,42.4h,96.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siLsrpJfRTPptQYmeZVwZsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.73543,-75.5636565,3a,75y,42.4h,96.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siLsrpJfRTPptQYmeZVwZsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7440014,-75.5601151,3a,75y,36.78h,89.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s28TO4-w2nNTW5FovsJXJ3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7440014,-75.5601151,3a,75y,36.78h,89.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s28TO4-w2nNTW5FovsJXJ3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

That's interesting I've not seen that before, I wonder if that counts as MUTCD compliant or not. Reminds me of the regulatory (white) "must exit" signs I've seen posted on the right side of freeway, like this one:

https://goo.gl/maps/bdEsDVbPGySTuwjx5
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: Revive 755 on December 28, 2019, 06:47:49 PM
City of St. Louis, MO:  Alley Not Thru (https://goo.gl/maps/toUPthAn2dQPbzWB6) or 'Street Not Thru' (https://goo.gl/maps/xPL31snQkAquYiSW8) over the more common 'No Outlet' or 'Dead End'.

Springfield, MO:  'Street Ends' (https://goo.gl/maps/KqLeC6XGaxnTypgM6) instead of 'No Outlet' or 'Dead End'.

Springfield, IL:  Two Left Arrows for a Dual Left with 'Stay In Your Lane' (https://goo.gl/maps/Y4ZNTQVrMTuE1tPYA). I think only at IDOT intersections as well.
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: nexus73 on December 28, 2019, 10:17:41 PM
I always liked the street signs in San Francisco:

(https://www.aaroads.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdn.c.photoshelter.com%2Fimg-get2%2FI00008qAWVKN6toc%2Ffit%3D1000x750%2FHP9F4187-haight-ashbury-street-sign.jpg&hash=751221f03f91f9921044007f02206db20fde7831)

Rick
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: roadfro on December 30, 2019, 01:55:55 PM
Quote from: stevashe on December 27, 2019, 09:08:52 PM
Quote from: mrcmc888 on December 26, 2019, 10:12:00 PM
I've only ever seen "MUST EXIT" instead of "EXIT ONLY" on Wilmington, DE freeways.

https://www.google.com/maps/@39.73543,-75.5636565,3a,75y,42.4h,96.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siLsrpJfRTPptQYmeZVwZsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.73543,-75.5636565,3a,75y,42.4h,96.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1siLsrpJfRTPptQYmeZVwZsA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7440014,-75.5601151,3a,75y,36.78h,89.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s28TO4-w2nNTW5FovsJXJ3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 (https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7440014,-75.5601151,3a,75y,36.78h,89.15t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s28TO4-w2nNTW5FovsJXJ3w!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)

That's interesting I've not seen that before, I wonder if that counts as MUTCD compliant or not. Reminds me of the regulatory (white) "must exit" signs I've seen posted on the right side of freeway, like this one:

https://goo.gl/maps/bdEsDVbPGySTuwjx5
While I don't think it's MUTCD-compliant, I think the "must exit" message (used in conjunction with yellow background and appropriate arrows) is as clear, if not moreso, than "exit only".
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: MikeTheActuary on December 30, 2019, 06:47:19 PM
Quote from: KEVIN_224 on December 24, 2019, 04:00:46 PMAs for Windsor (CT): "Rainbow" something or other? Is that by Poquonock or I-91?  :awesomeface:

The town of Windsor is legally subdivided into a set of "villages" - Wilson, Windsor, Poquonock, Rainbow, and Hayden Station.   Rainbow used to be a small mill town, but the neighborhood's discrete identity mostly faded away during the Depression, after the old Rainbow Park was closed and the Rainbow Dam built.   It's come back a little bit in the wake of neighborhood disgruntlement from the industrial park and as the town has started considering treating the villages separately (as in "oh, we don't have one of those in that village yet..." for certain kinds of developments) in planning documents.

Rainbow's north/northwest of Poquonock.  It doesn't show on any BGS's, but the sign in question is off the Hamilton Road South exit of CT20.

(I wonder if ConnDOT will ever rename that exit, now that Hamilton Road North no longer exists.)
Title: Re: Signs commonly used by one municipality
Post by: MikeTheActuary on December 30, 2019, 06:55:35 PM
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 24, 2019, 04:16:24 PMAnd Rainbow is along the Farmington River just northwest of Poquonock a couple miles south of Bradley.  There is a dam there with a fish hatchery that my class went to on a field trip. 

Fish ladder, actually.  From what I could see, it was mostly inaccessible this past year, unless they opened the gates only when I was out of town (a distinct possibility).

The neighborhood's also been in the news in the past few months because of two discharges of firefighting foam from Bradley and the resulting PFAS contamination of the river.

The first of the incidents (pipe break) was impressive, as Rainbow Road was closed due to a wall of suds that came up through the storm drains.

The second was the B17 crash....