Today in the book aisle at Kroger, I saw a Kappa road atlas that had something unusual on the cover. It was labeled "2020 Election Edition." I only flipped through it for a couple seconds and didn't notice what made it an "Election Edition." It just looked like a regular, ordinary road atlas.
What makes it an "Election Edition"? Does the top of each page have a little photo of Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, or Joe Biden blowing a huge bubble with bubble gum?
I probably should have buyed it to find out why it was an "Election Edition."
Quote from: bandit957 on December 11, 2019, 04:14:26 PM
Today in the book aisle at Kroger, I saw a Kappa road atlas that had something unusual on the cover. It was labeled "2020 Election Edition." I only flipped through it for a couple seconds and didn't notice what made it an "Election Edition." It just looked like a regular, ordinary road atlas.
What makes it an "Election Edition"? Does the top of each page have a little photo of Donald Trump, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, or Joe Biden blowing a huge bubble with bubble gum?
K(r)appa will do anything to boost its map sales, I guess.
On November 4, the pages will magically turn Red or Blue.
Quote from: GaryV on December 11, 2019, 04:40:41 PM
On November 4, the pages will magically turn Red or Blue.
Like a litmus test!
The maps are decided by the Electoral College and do not include most cities.
Quote from: bandit957 on December 11, 2019, 04:14:26 PM
What makes it an "Election Edition"?
Someone is already selling one on eBay, and they say this (yawn):
QuoteThe 2020 Atlas includes a special section on US Presidents and White House History.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/North-America-Large-Print-Street-Atlas-2020-Election-Edition-K-/143421830282
Quote from: GaryV on December 11, 2019, 04:40:41 PM
On November 4, the pages will magically turn Red or Blue.
They'll get FritzOwl'ed with Interstate shields plastered on to every road.
So basically, the "Election Edition" over-promises and under-delivers with deliberate misdirections and even flat out lies while hoping for the top atlas office of the land.
Quote from: Brandon on December 12, 2019, 11:22:04 AM
So basically, the "Election Edition" over-promises and under-delivers with deliberate misdirections and even flat out lies while hoping for the top atlas office of the land.
It should be impeached. But it needs two-thirds of this forum to remove it from office.
Quote from: Bruce on December 12, 2019, 01:48:21 AM
The maps are decided by the Electoral College and do not include most cities.
:-D :-D :-D :-D Love it.
I-27 is clearly the reddest 2di. What would be the bluest 2di? I-97?
Do you need an ID to buy this atlas? What if I want two?
MMGA (Make Maps Great Again)!
Quote from: roadman on December 12, 2019, 01:01:33 PM
MMGA (Make Maps Great Again)!
Bring back Gousha! Their style looked better to my eyes than Rand McNally's.
Rick
Quote from: Bruce on December 12, 2019, 01:48:21 AM
The maps are decided by the Electoral College and do not include most cities.
On the other hand, rural areas finally receive the decent treatment they've been lacking.
Quote from: 1 on December 12, 2019, 12:03:33 PM
I-27 is clearly the reddest 2di. What would be the bluest 2di? I-97?
Otherwise-blue Maryland has a Republican governor. How about I-88 (both of them)? Or I-82?
Quote from: oscar on December 12, 2019, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 12, 2019, 12:03:33 PM
I-27 is clearly the reddest 2di. What would be the bluest 2di? I-97?
Otherwise-blue Maryland has a Republican governor. How about I-88 (both of them)? Or I-82?
Besides, does I-97 even enter any cities?
Iowa and New Hampshire take up eight pages apiece.
Quote from: formulanone on December 12, 2019, 04:42:01 PM
Iowa and New Hampshire take up eight pages apiece.
This is the perfect comment to satisfy my rage towards the system in question...
Quote from: oscar on December 12, 2019, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 12, 2019, 12:03:33 PM
I-27 is clearly the reddest 2di. What would be the bluest 2di? I-97?
Otherwise-blue Maryland has a Republican governor. How about I-88 (both of them)? Or I-82?
Don't confuse a state overall and the regions of those states the interstates reside.
Quote from: formulanone on December 12, 2019, 04:42:01 PM
Iowa and New Hampshire take up eight pages apiece.
:-D :bigass: LOL :bigass: :-D
Also...
Florida's map is no longer made of 100% recycled hanging chads.
Quote from: formulanone on December 12, 2019, 04:42:01 PM
Iowa and New Hampshire take up eight pages apiece.
And they sell you the atlas in installments based on the primary schedule. So you won't get Nevada until after you've left on your early summer road trip.
Quote from: oscar on December 12, 2019, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 12, 2019, 12:03:33 PM
I-27 is clearly the reddest 2di. What would be the bluest 2di? I-97?
Otherwise-blue Maryland has a Republican governor. How about I-88 (both of them)? Or I-82?
Probably the most accurate way to calculate this would be taking the average Cook PVI of the territory the road runs through. The best way to handle it would probably be to do it on a per-Congressional district (https://cookpolitical.com/pvi-map-and-district-list) basis. This gives I-27 a PVI of R+30. Short of using GIS, though, that seems like it would get tiresome very quickly, particularly with roads that run through cities with many Congressional districts and heavily gerrymandered areas.
Fortunately, Wikipedia has a PVI by state (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cook_Partisan_Voting_Index#By_state) table. However, that would imply that I-27 (using Texas's statewide R+8) is not as red as I-44 (R+12), because I-44 runs through Oklahoma (R+20), even though I-27 runs through R+33 and R+27 districts, quite a bit redder than even Oklahoma's statewide total.
I am not going to try to touch the "bluest 2di" question because I don't have the patience for it, but I suspect that I-97 is high up there, because it looks like most of the Maryland Congressional districts in the vicinity are in the D+20 to 30 range. I-88 IL passes through some Republican districts that would bring its average down.
Quote from: bandit957 on December 12, 2019, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 12, 2019, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 12, 2019, 12:03:33 PM
I-27 is clearly the reddest 2di. What would be the bluest 2di? I-97?
Otherwise-blue Maryland has a Republican governor. How about I-88 (both of them)? Or I-82?
Besides, does I-97 even enter any cities?
Wouldn't I-5 qualify? All 3 states it traverses are fairly blue to say the least.
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 12, 2019, 05:29:16 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on December 12, 2019, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 12, 2019, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 12, 2019, 12:03:33 PM
I-27 is clearly the reddest 2di. What would be the bluest 2di? I-97?
Otherwise-blue Maryland has a Republican governor. How about I-88 (both of them)? Or I-82?
Besides, does I-97 even enter any cities?
Wouldn't I-5 qualify? All 3 states it traverses are fairly blue to say the least.
I-5 passes through some leans-Republican to even Congressional districts that would probably bring its PVI average down. That being said, the sheer number of Democratic districts it passes through may cancel that out. Still, I wouldn't expect it to get beyond D+10 or so.
Quote from: bandit957 on December 12, 2019, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 12, 2019, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 12, 2019, 12:03:33 PM
I-27 is clearly the reddest 2di. What would be the bluest 2di? I-97?
Otherwise-blue Maryland has a Republican governor. How about I-88 (both of them)? Or I-82?
Besides, does I-97 even enter any cities?
To be fair, Maryland has surprisingly few defined cities. Anne Arundel county (where I-97 is located) only has two defined cities - Annapolis and the tiny Highland Beach. I-97 enters neither of these.
Most major population centers are "Census Designated Places" instead. I-97 passes through CDPs Ferndale, Glen Burnie, and Crownsville, maybe others.
I'm impressed that there's been this much discussion about American politics and the conversation hasn't gotten overly political. Kudos!
I would have guessed I-5, but how about all the Hawaiian Hs?
Quote from: mrose on December 13, 2019, 04:44:46 AM
I would have guessed I-5, but how about all the Hawaiian Hs?
Hawaii only had three red precincts in 2016: two military bases and Ni'ihau. I-H2 gets quite close to one of the red military bases, but I-H1 and I-H3 seem pretty blue. (And I-H2 is still blue; a single precinct doesn't affect that much.) Even though this is the 2020 edition and not the 2016 edition of the atlas, I don't expect much to change here.
The I-91 corridor is quite blue in all three states, although this is less the case if you consider all the towns it serves, particularly for New Haven, CT and Springfield, MA.
Springfield handily voted for Clinton by 4:1.
I remember Romney debating Kennedy in Springfield during Romney's first failed Senate bid. Kennedy was quite comfortable given the very friendly crowd; Romney was desperate to have any impact.
Quote from: 1 on December 13, 2019, 04:58:04 AM
Quote from: mrose on December 13, 2019, 04:44:46 AM
I would have guessed I-5, but how about all the Hawaiian Hs?
Hawaii only had three red precincts in 2016: two military bases and Ni'ihau. I-H2 gets quite close to one of the red military bases, but I-H1 and I-H3 seem pretty blue. (And I-H2 is still blue; a single precinct doesn't affect that much.) Even though this is the 2020 edition and not the 2016 edition of the atlas, I don't expect much to change here.
Hawaii's two Congressional districts are rated only D+17 and D+19, less blue than Maryland. That implies that while the Democrats are
spread out more in Hawaii, there's a greater percentage of them in Maryland.
I would say that there are really only a couple red towns along I-91 in CT: North Haven and Wallingford come to mind, and the Cromwell-Rocky Hill-Wethersfield combo is moderate, and Enfield is a little more red. In MA, Northampton is about as blue as it gets.
I would say that I-37 is also among the most red, as is I-49 and I-29. Were inner city Houston not so blue, I would also include I-45.
Believe it or not, because of the way South Texas is gerrymandered, much of I-37's mileage is actually in blue districts! (Almost all of the districts that touch the Rio Grande lean Democratic.)
Quote from: jp the roadgeek on December 14, 2019, 02:42:31 AM
I would say that there are really only a couple red towns along I-91 in CT: North Haven and Wallingford come to mind, and the Cromwell-Rocky Hill-Wethersfield combo is moderate, and Enfield is a little more red. In MA, Northampton is about as blue as it gets.
I would say that I-37 is also among the most red, as is I-49 and I-29. Were inner city Houston not so blue, I would also include I-45.
I don't think I was clear enough. The path of I-91 itself is bluer than if you include everything within 5 miles of it (who would still be using I-91 a lot).
All this time, I thought maybe it would be a modern-day Green Book but for people with a sense of sanity.
If my math is correct, I-94 in Michigan runs through the 6th, 3rd, 7th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 9th, and 10th districts which gives it an average of D+2.5. The most Republican district is the 10th, and the most Democratic district is the 13th.
I-96 runs through 2nd, 3rd, clips the 4th, 7th, 8th, 11th, and 13th for an average of R+1.1. The most Republican district is the 4th, and the most Democratic district is the 13th.
I-69 goes through the 7th district twice, 3rd district, 4th, 5th and 10th districts for an average of R+6.2. The most Republican district is the 10th and the most Democratic district is the 5th.
I-75 goes through 7th district, 12th district, 13th district, 14th district, 11th district, 8th district, 5th district, 4th district, and 1st district for an average of D+5.2. The most Republican district is the 4th district, and the most Democratic is the 13th district.
I-196 goes through the 6th, 2nd, and 3rd districts for an average of R+6.3. The most Republican district is the 2nd and the most Democratic district is the 6th, albeit with a rating of R+4.
All of I-94 in Indiana runs through Indiana's 1st District, which has voted Democrat for over 90 years. The district serves the Indiana suburbs of Chicago.
I-64 and I-69 (north and south parts) all serve Republican areas at the moment. I-64 runs through Indiana's 8th and 9th districts in Southern Indiana. I-69 runs through the 8th and 9th along with Indiana's 5th, 6th and 3rd districts, all Republican.
Since the Democratic 7th district serves Indianapolis, I-65, I-70, I-74 and I-465 all runs through some of that and Republican districts in the rest of the state. I-69 will join this list of highways once Section 6 is completed.
I-80/90 run through the aforementioned 1st District as well as the Republican 2nd and 3rd Districts.
I-2 has got to be the bluest 2DI, if it counts as a 2DI
Quote from: JoePCool14 on December 12, 2019, 05:29:16 PM
Quote from: bandit957 on December 12, 2019, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: oscar on December 12, 2019, 04:38:57 PM
Quote from: 1 on December 12, 2019, 12:03:33 PM
I-27 is clearly the reddest 2di. What would be the bluest 2di? I-97?
Otherwise-blue Maryland has a Republican governor. How about I-88 (both of them)? Or I-82?
Besides, does I-97 even enter any cities?
Wouldn't I-5 qualify? All 3 states it traverses are fairly blue to say the least.
Washington and Oregon are deep red if you leave the major urban centers. That said, they aren't populated enough to be independent of the urban districts, so the average might turn out to be bluer than others.
Saw this for sale at the supermarket yesterday and had to chuckle. It does seem kinda silly sitting there with "Election Edition" two inches high in your face.