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Title: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: tolbs17 on December 30, 2019, 10:36:10 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_areas_of_North_Carolina

Greenville's metro is apparently just "Pitt County".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas

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Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: index on December 30, 2019, 10:47:54 PM
However, its combined statistical area is 7. Because of the way MSAs are designated, many MSAs are just one county. However the definition of a metro isn't always limited to the MSA, that's just what the Census Bureau considers it to be for the purpose of statistics. For example, Anson County here in the Charlotte area is not considered by the Census Bureau to be in Charlotte's MSA or CSA, but residents of the Charlotte area consider it to be part of the Charlotte metro.

In the case of Greenville it seems Pitt County is about as far as its influence goes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenville-Kinston-Washington_CSA

Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: tolbs17 on December 30, 2019, 10:54:34 PM
Quote from: index on December 30, 2019, 10:47:54 PM
However, its combined statistical area is 7. Because of the way MSAs are designated, many MSAs are just one county. However the definition of a metro isn't always limited to the MSA, that's just what the Census Bureau considers it to be for the purpose of statistics. For example, Anson County here in the Charlotte area is not considered by the Census Bureau to be in Charlotte's MSA or CSA, but residents of the Charlotte area consider it to be part of the Charlotte metro.

In the case of Greenville it seems Pitt County is about as far as its influence goes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenville-Kinston-Washington_CSA
Also the crazy thing is how does Farmville have >10,000 people?

And saying the area is >91% white and only 5% black, that can't be right.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: sprjus4 on December 30, 2019, 10:58:26 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 30, 2019, 10:54:34 PM
Also the crazy thing is how does Farmville have >10,000 people?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmville,_North_Carolina

According to this, it's about 5,000 people.

Appears to be a small town serving as a outer suburb for Greenville commuters with easy access to the US-264 freeway in/out of the city.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: tolbs17 on December 30, 2019, 11:04:02 PM
Quote from: sprjus4 on December 30, 2019, 10:58:26 PM
Quote from: tolbs17 on December 30, 2019, 10:54:34 PM
Also the crazy thing is how does Farmville have >10,000 people?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmville,_North_Carolina

According to this, it's about 5,000 people.

Appears to be a small town serving as a outer suburb for Greenville commuters with easy access to the US-264 freeway in/out of the city.
Yes, it's fun going over there.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: US 89 on December 30, 2019, 11:08:16 PM
Always confused me that NC has both a Greenville and Greensboro. Doesn’t help that SC has a major Greenville that’s right down I-85 from Greensboro.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: kevinb1994 on December 31, 2019, 02:16:21 AM
Quote from: US 89 on December 30, 2019, 11:08:16 PM
Always confused me that NC has both a Greenville and Greensboro. Doesn't help that SC has a major Greenville that's right down I-85 from Greensboro.
Probably cause that there was just one Carolina to begin with!
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: csw on December 31, 2019, 11:02:26 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on December 31, 2019, 02:16:21 AM
Quote from: US 89 on December 30, 2019, 11:08:16 PM
Always confused me that NC has both a Greenville and Greensboro. Doesn't help that SC has a major Greenville that's right down I-85 from Greensboro.
Probably cause that there was just one Carolina to begin with!
Not so much.
Greenville, SC, incorporated in 1831; Greenville, NC, settled in 1771; Greensboro, NC, established in 1808.
Province of Carolina split into North and South 1729.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: kevinb1994 on December 31, 2019, 05:25:05 PM
Quote from: csw on December 31, 2019, 11:02:26 AM
Quote from: kevinb1994 on December 31, 2019, 02:16:21 AM
Quote from: US 89 on December 30, 2019, 11:08:16 PM
Always confused me that NC has both a Greenville and Greensboro. Doesn't help that SC has a major Greenville that's right down I-85 from Greensboro.
Probably cause that there was just one Carolina to begin with!
Not so much.
Greenville, SC, incorporated in 1831; Greenville, NC, settled in 1771; Greensboro, NC, established in 1808.
Province of Carolina split into North and South 1729.
Maybe Greensboro, NC should have stayed as Guilford Court House, Greenville, NC should have stayed as Martinsboro, and Greenville, SC should have stayed as Pleasantburg.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: golden eagle on March 14, 2020, 11:37:26 PM
San Diego and Las Vegas are one-county metros, though that could lend themselves to being in geographically large counties. Los Angeles was also a one-county metro, but Orange County has now been absorbed into Los Angeles-Long Beach-Anaheim metropolitan area.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: Road Hog on March 15, 2020, 12:37:19 AM
Crazy that DFW is only about 15 years from passing Chicago to be the No. 3 metro at current growth rates. And Houston is right behind.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: Rothman on March 15, 2020, 01:08:20 AM
NYC has five counties.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: Flint1979 on March 15, 2020, 04:43:05 PM
Flint, Michigan's metro area is just Genesee County but metro areas extend into multiple counties
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: tolbs17 on May 01, 2021, 04:15:01 PM
Well Edgecombe and Martin county kinda match the feeling of the Greenville metro.

Also, would this thread be better in Urban Planning and design?
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: NE2 on May 01, 2021, 04:33:34 PM
It would be better in trash.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Isn't Greenville and Spartanburg in the same metro?
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: hotdogPi on May 01, 2021, 05:38:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Isn't Greenville and Spartanburg in the same metro?

The OP is talking about Greenville NC, not Greenville SC.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 05:52:05 PM
Quote from: 1 on May 01, 2021, 05:38:50 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Isn't Greenville and Spartanburg in the same metro?

The OP is talking about Greenville NC, not Greenville SC.
Oops.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: Flint1979 on May 01, 2021, 07:09:56 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Isn't Greenville and Spartanburg in the same metro?
I was there about 3 months ago they're a little ways apart. About 30 miles or so dunno if they are the same metro though.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: ozarkman417 on May 02, 2021, 07:16:13 PM
Quote from: Roadgeekteen on May 01, 2021, 05:34:36 PM
Isn't Greenville and Spartanburg in the same metro?
They are in different metros, but they share a Combined Statistical Area (CSA).
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: golden eagle on May 22, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
There quite a few urban areas that are geographically close (and even share media markets), but are considered separate metros. Greensboro and Winston-Salem and Raleigh-Durham in North Carolina, and Dallas-Fort Worth are among them.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: sprjus4 on May 22, 2021, 05:45:16 PM
Hampton Roads could be considered two separate - the Southside (Norfolk, Virginia Beach, Chesapeake, Portsmouth, Suffolk) and the Peninsula (Hampton, Newport News), though I'd say they kind of act as one. It's similar to Raleigh-Durham.

The obvious elephant in the room with Hampton Roads is the James River / Hampton Roads waterway separating the two. There's only three connections - the I-64 Hampton Roads Bridge Tunnel, the I-664 Monitor Merrimac Memorial Bridge Tunnel, and the US-17 / US-258 James River Bridge.

Unlike the other examples though, the regions do share a name that blankets all of it - Hampton Roads, 757, Tidewater, etc.
Title: Re: Greenville is a metro by itself in its own county?
Post by: US 89 on May 22, 2021, 07:11:25 PM
Quote from: golden eagle on May 22, 2021, 05:39:24 PM
There quite a few urban areas that are geographically close (and even share media markets), but are considered separate metros. Greensboro and Winston-Salem and Raleigh-Durham in North Carolina, and Dallas-Fort Worth are among them.

The DFW metroplex is one metropolitan area, divided into two "metropolitan divisions" in the same way Seattle-Tacoma is.

Hampton Roads is also just one metropolitan area according to census definitions.