I-99 is fascinating in the sense that it has the most bizarre set of concrete pavement on any highway that I have ever traveled. Some of the weirdest sounds of grooved concrete come from the section between it's beginning at I-80 until it meets US 322 in State College. I made a collage of all the different grooving patterns that are responsible for creating the different sounds, and they are numbered in order of when they are heard. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-jOzrHm5d7tJON-_PV57Xyaqg15U9OmfADTYq2MZQEvKucydnZfB3uYaikTzZnFgvpXSQPIt7834jXjyRXCwNNg/messages/@.id==AGKCdxN2F1HxXh_ojwXj0AHVBJg/content/parts/@.id==2/thumbnail?appId=YMailNorrin
Quote from: InterstateGuy on January 15, 2020, 11:47:52 PM
I-99 is fascinating in the sense that it has the most bizarre set of concrete pavement on any highway that I have ever traveled. Some of the weirdest sounds of grooved concrete come from the section between it's beginning at I-80 until it meets US 322 in State College. I made a collage of all the different grooving patterns that are responsible for creating the different sounds, and they are numbered in order of when they are heard. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-jOzrHm5d7tJON-_PV57Xyaqg15U9OmfADTYq2MZQEvKucydnZfB3uYaikTzZnFgvpXSQPIt7834jXjyRXCwNNg/messages/@.id==AGKCdxN2F1HxXh_ojwXj0AHVBJg/content/parts/@.id==2/thumbnail?appId=YMailNorrin
I'm getting an error message.
I drove I-99 north of Bald Eagle for the first time in 2014. I had just gotten my current car (2012 Focus), and briefly thought that one of my tires was going flat after hearing the deck noise.
TheGrassGuy, thats odd. Im not getting the same error message. Is there a way I can insert the photo? I click on the insert button and it doesnt allow me to insert a photo. it comes up something like [img]/[img].
Quote from: roadman on January 16, 2020, 11:06:50 AM
I drove I-99 north of Bald Eagle for the first time in 2014. I had just gotten my current car (2012 Focus), and briefly thought that one of my tires was going flat after hearing the deck noise.
IKR? the concrete sounds are much MUCH different on I-99 than they are on other highways (pretty loud too) so I see where you are coming from. I've never heard so many different ones on one highway alone.
Quote from: InterstateGuy on January 16, 2020, 12:02:36 PM
TheGrassGuy, thats odd. Im not getting the same error message. Is there a way I can insert the photo? I click on the insert button and it doesnt allow me to insert a photo. it comes up something like [img]/[img].
{"error":{"code":"EC-4008","requestId":"83533760-388b-11ea-c000-64bc41eb3cbf"}}
Quote from: roadman on January 16, 2020, 11:06:50 AM
I drove I-99 north of Bald Eagle for the first time in 2014. I had just gotten my current car (2012 Focus), and briefly thought that one of my tires was going flat after hearing the deck noise.
Back in June 1974 I had a 1967 Imperial with bias ply tires that were common then. Going along I-5 north of Dunsmir, there was so much racket from the concrete expansion joints that I pulled off in that town to check my tires. They were fine.
Flash forward to June 1996: My wife (newly wed) and I were moving to Louisiana. A mile west of Cheyenne WY on I-80, a whole lot of noise came along, making me think a tire had a problem. Getting out of the 1983 Dodge 400 I had, a quick look at the tires showed they were fine. I get going. BAM! BAM! BAM! With the exit so close I kept going and got off the freeway without incident. This time I looked under the rear of the car to see what was going on. A piece of tire had broken partly loose and was slamming into its fender well as I drove. A stop at a tire shop took care of that.
Color me "tired"...
Rick
Quote from: InterstateGuy on January 16, 2020, 12:02:36 PM
TheGrassGuy, thats odd. Im not getting the same error message. Is there a way I can insert the photo? I click on the insert button and it doesnt allow me to insert a photo. it comes up something like [img]/[img].
You have to upload it to another site and then put the URL between the img tags. The forum doesn't host them directly.
As for your original link, the error was probably due to it linking to your email account.
Quote from: vdeane on January 16, 2020, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: InterstateGuy on January 16, 2020, 12:02:36 PM
TheGrassGuy, thats odd. Im not getting the same error message. Is there a way I can insert the photo? I click on the insert button and it doesnt allow me to insert a photo. it comes up something like [img]/[img].
You have to upload it to another site and then put the URL between the img tags. The forum doesn't host them directly.
As for your original link, the error was probably due to it linking to your email account.
Thank you so much for the heads up! I'm not on here often so I am not familiar with all of the technical aspects of the forum.
OK Now I got the hang of it! So, this is the collage I made of all the different types of grooving patterns along I-99 running from about I-80 until US 322 in State College. It is very interesting to say the least, and it produces some of the most bizarre concrete sounds I have ever heard along a major interstate. Sounds vary from the buzzing you would hear in states like Indiana (#3) and the louder whining noise you would hear elsewhere like New York or Delaware (#11). Many of the others on here are rather different. I wonder what PennDOT was thinking when constructing this highway???
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/MkK9e7JelAIYyOIEA2kzGVpkofbQjo1or54iuO1-H0Tc0N-ykR-hNypBDl5VTIwFVwoiDuku7OyN3sR5zI2j6OVWwN5jb_ttvSpiw4p12cHoxOTPPzol0r7P8K_79kYceUQr1m729TnspLyykzsMV_Vc-U4ySzhHJ1VoQKRC6JChIxUskKV6mkGMbiV0Z7RE6gmKSmS7HMbdPj4B4EhUSGx9YpDzQWzuDsVu-i8_YIzYRsGlW-3juo7acd_h6156jqws-0WqzsS2OFGquMtln5PjNyyXy0645GtgDMgDtXc3dnm7zTrXAjt_s48Z89Jm1NZx7B-WuBU3InY-C7bVpGJGvi17TGIPWdtFQUDpBgwr6ABi5WKZFhOQtmJ49qBNjwGRgh-1GmTggCM2irjPd6Qr9lWtgklWhAVotq3f0Pqs2S2afeOtDKfaAyNkZM92YLP72DWCFCfDLhD4emlP4VJwLdRTglpHV1o3Xbsg2Bq5xb9vGIVRZpRcEaZZA-erLQQu-ahmvxaBxmlkK9CeTkFDbWNpFts6fkvrW14FFZjKGik_czCnWTeyFWH9XURJFcXO9bu1vs0gYxaDoImjmxPTEjvClzsqHSYq3CVnaxXT9-1NrMaeKLu5EAZQxRjncrICb4DhUf79dcli40AFpZ8jkFTlB2M7UZJ8esBRV69NMsRf5a_DD4U=w1366-h516-no)
Quote from: InterstateGuy on January 16, 2020, 07:37:57 PM
I wonder what PennDOT was thinking when constructing this highway???
I wonder that too, everyday!
Quote from: sbeaver44 on January 16, 2020, 07:56:48 PM
Quote from: InterstateGuy on January 16, 2020, 07:37:57 PM
I wonder what PennDOT was thinking when constructing this highway???
I wonder that too, everyday!
PennDot does experiment with roads, i could see them using 99 to test out paving types.
The sound grooving pattern 11 makes will always be my favorite. Living in NY i'm so used to it. Surprised me when I went into this area a few years ago to see PennDOT utilizes it too!
Quote from: SteveG1988 on January 16, 2020, 11:00:14 PM
Quote from: sbeaver44 on January 16, 2020, 07:56:48 PM
Quote from: InterstateGuy on January 16, 2020, 07:37:57 PM
I wonder what PennDOT was thinking when constructing this highway???
I wonder that too, everyday!
PennDot does experiment with roads, i could see them using 99 to test out paving types.
Oh haha I was making a more general tongue-in-cheek PennDOT statement
Quote from: InterstateGuy on January 16, 2020, 07:37:57 PM
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That's not the URL of an image. You have to post the URL of an image in between the [im
.g] [/im
.g] tags. You'll know you have a legitimate URL if (1) nothing but the image shows up on the webpage you're copying from and (2) the URL ends in .jpg or .png or something like that.
Quote from: nexus73 on January 16, 2020, 01:20:48 PM
Back in June 1974 I had a 1967 Imperial with bias ply tires that were common then. Going along I-5 north of Dunsmir, there was so much racket from the concrete expansion joints that I pulled off in that town to check my tires. They were fine.
There is a section of I-275 in Campbell County, Kentucky like that too, even with today's tires.
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That's not the URL of an image. You have to post the URL of an image in between the [im.g] [/im.g] tags. You'll know you have a legitimate URL if (1) nothing but the image shows up on the webpage you're copying from and (2) the URL ends in .jpg or .png or something like that.
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I figured I'd just make a little flickr account to post the image. here is the link https://www.flickr.com/photos/186524062@N04/49400564338/in/dateposted-public/
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I figured I'd just make a little flickr account to post the image. here is the link https://www.flickr.com/photos/186524062@N04/49400564338/in/dateposted-public/
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When you go to that page, you can click on the "Share" arrow. Then choose "Embed". That gives you the following:
<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/186524062@N04/49400564338/in/dateposted-public/" title="I-99"><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49400564338_6edb4be753_k.jpg" width="2048" height="772" alt="I-99"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Within that, you can pick out the actual image URL, which ends in ".jpg" as expected.
https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49400564338_6edb4be753_k.jpg
Use that to embed the photo on this site, as shown below.
[img]https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49400564338_6edb4be753_k.jpg[/img]
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49400564338_6edb4be753_k.jpg)
But can we please get audio?
Thanks dor the advice kphoger. I am very new to doing stuff like this so that is very helpful. As for your reply TheGrassGuy, I did not make a video. I just used pictures from Google Maps. However, someone managed to get a fantastic video of I-99 in that section with all of the different noises.
It's crazy how many sounds are in this roughly 15 mile stretch of interstate. My favorite is the New york sound which you can hear at 8:07 in the video.
I haven't driven a mile of I-99, so I can't really know till I've driven it myself, but the newer section of I-287 from exits 47 to 66 in NJ has a unique buzzing noise to it. Sort of like the overpass screech, but quite more mysterious and different. And I am aware that DE-1 has had a similar timbre from about exits 156 to 114. Creeped me out as a child.
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 17, 2020, 07:09:57 PM
I haven't driven a mile of I-99, so I can't really know till I've driven it myself, but the newer section of I-287 from exits 47 to 66 in NJ has a unique buzzing noise to it. Sort of like the overpass screech, but quite more mysterious and different. And I am aware that DE-1 has had a similar timbre from about exits 156 to 114. Creeped me out as a child.
Interesting! Did they just do that section of I-287? Because I am positive it use to be like a low pitch whistle. DE-1 has a really high pitched whistle going down that way, is that the sound you are talking about? It starts at around 16:40 in this video.
There used to be a bridge on I-80 in PA that was really bizarre. Between I-180 and US Route 15. You first get on and it would make this really eerie lower pitched buzzing sound with a slight whistle. Halfway over, it changes to the New York screaming sound. It was pretty cool now its just boring asphalt. It wasn't even in bad shape.
Does every state use pavement that makes some sort of whistling sound on overpasses? NJ clearly does.
Quote from: InterstateGuy on January 17, 2020, 07:46:51 PM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 17, 2020, 07:09:57 PM
I haven't driven a mile of I-99, so I can't really know till I've driven it myself, but the newer section of I-287 from exits 47 to 66 in NJ has a unique buzzing noise to it. Sort of like the overpass screech, but quite more mysterious and different. And I am aware that DE-1 has had a similar timbre from about exits 156 to 114. Creeped me out as a child.
Interesting! Did they just do that section of I-287? Because I am positive it use to be like a low pitch whistle. DE-1 has a really high pitched whistle going down that way, is that the sound you are talking about? It starts at around 16:40 in this video.
Yep, it was just that section.
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 17, 2020, 08:50:40 PM
Does every state use pavement that makes some sort of whistling sound on overpasses? NJ clearly does.
Almost every state with the exception of a few have concrete whistling/screaming/buzzing.
It's transverse tining. Some of the bridges in New York and West Virginia used tining that resembled:
(https://d3i71xaburhd42.cloudfront.net/ad6b3d4dfe50930e5037b88a644ce152fdf60495/10-Figure2-1.png)
It produced a uniform and loud whine. It was thought that transverse tining would have greater friction resistance, better ride, and wear better but the latest iterations of longitudinal tining have produced pavement that has just as good friction resistance and ride qualities. It's also a -lot- quieter, important for urban areas and near houses. (Having lived near a highway with concrete pavements, I can understand the point of noise intrusions on a day-to-day basis.)
As for I-99, I travel that frequently and wondered if it wasn't some sort of test of transverse tining. The northernmost section by Bellefonte was built in 1997 with tining that's low on the scale of noise. It is also rapidly deteriorating at all of the joints. The bypass around Pleasant Gap was built in 2000-02 and I think is the section that's the noisiest. The portions south of State College were built in 2004-05 and are noticeably quieter.
Quote from: InterstateGuy on January 17, 2020, 09:14:20 PM
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 17, 2020, 08:50:40 PM
Does every state use pavement that makes some sort of whistling sound on overpasses? NJ clearly does.
Almost every state with the exception of a few have concrete whistling/screaming/buzzing.
And those like Tennessee that use HMA on many of their bridges.
I live in State College, so I'm extremely familiar with this bit of roadway. Honestly, I love it. When I was little, driving into State College from NYC or New England, the every-few-minutes-at-most noise change is what let me know that we were almost home. Now that I drive it pretty frequently, I love the quirkiness of it. The fact that, on a highway numbered 99 between 79 and 81, there are more then ten distinct sounds before you change from that interstate to another interstate at an interchange with stop signs, is just a unique quirk that I think is pretty cool. Plus, coming off of I-80, whose pavement sounds really nice at speeds way above the speed limit, the I-99 patchwork reminds me to slow down, which is good because there's always a cop on that stretch.
Thank god they finally raised it to 65 MPH from 55 MPH (but it should still be 70 MPH).
Quote from: seicer on January 18, 2020, 10:29:26 AM
It's transverse tining. Some of the bridges in New York and West Virginia used tining that resembled:
(https://d3i71xaburhd42.cloudfront.net/ad6b3d4dfe50930e5037b88a644ce152fdf60495/10-Figure2-1.png)
It produced a uniform and loud whine. It was thought that transverse tining would have greater friction resistance, better ride, and wear better but the latest iterations of longitudinal tining have produced pavement that has just as good friction resistance and ride qualities. It's also a -lot- quieter, important for urban areas and near houses. (Having lived near a highway with concrete pavements, I can understand the point of noise intrusions on a day-to-day basis.)
As for I-99, I travel that frequently and wondered if it wasn't some sort of test of transverse tining. The northernmost section by Bellefonte was built in 1997 with tining that's low on the scale of noise. It is also rapidly deteriorating at all of the joints. The bypass around Pleasant Gap was built in 2000-02 and I think is the section that's the noisiest. The portions south of State College were built in 2004-05 and are noticeably quieter.
Yes, the Bellefonte section uses the stationary transverse tining, resulting in that high pitch but rather quiet whistling sound. The Pleasant Gap section utilizes randomized tining I believe, which results in the much louder and deeper buzzing noise, very similar to what you would hear on the Interstates in Indiana. South of State College has a rather different form of randomization and it results in a very unusual sound. Quieter than the buzzing for sure. For picture reference I am referring to images 1, 3 and 9 on the grooving chart I have made. (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49400564338_6edb4be753_k.jpg)
I-99 is fascinating for another reason, too: it's an extremely rare example of 21st century new freeway construction in New York!
Quote from: webny99 on January 23, 2020, 10:56:17 AM
I-99 is fascinating for another reason, too: it's an extremely rare example of 21st century new freeway construction in New York!
I-781: am i a joke to you
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 23, 2020, 12:03:49 PM
Quote from: webny99 on January 23, 2020, 10:56:17 AM
I-99 is fascinating for another reason, too: it's an extremely rare example of 21st century new freeway construction in New York!
I-781: am i a joke to you
I-99: yes, I find it funny when spur routes are actually given a 3di number, I guess you poor boy never had Bud Shuster
Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 23, 2020, 02:07:08 PM
I find it funny when spur routes are actually given a 3di number
That's what 3di with odd first digits are
for: spur routes.
Quote from: kphoger on January 23, 2020, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 23, 2020, 02:07:08 PM
I find it funny when spur routes are actually given a 3di number
That's what 3di with odd first digits are for: spur routes.
I think the part you clipped (I-99:) was supposed to show that I-99 itself, not the poster, was the one making that claim.
* whoosh *
over my head, huh?
I forgot 99 doesn't have an Interstate at one end.
Quote from: kphoger on January 23, 2020, 02:33:44 PM
* whoosh *
over my head, huh?
I forgot 99 doesn't have an Interstate at one end.
Correction. Out of all four of its ends, only the northernmost one ends at an interstate.
Quote from: TheGrassGuy on January 25, 2020, 12:06:56 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 23, 2020, 02:33:44 PM
* whoosh *
over my head, huh?
I forgot 99 doesn't have an Interstate at one end.
Correction. Out of all four of its ends, only the northernmost one ends at an interstate.
meh.
I think two out of the other three endpoints are
functionally at Interstates.
Northern sengment:
North endpoint – Actually I-86
South endpoint – Continues as US-15
Southern segment:
North endpoint – Functionally I-80
South endpoint – Functionally I-76
Quote from: webny99 on January 23, 2020, 02:26:28 PM
Quote from: kphoger on January 23, 2020, 02:17:45 PM
Quote from: Ketchup99 on January 23, 2020, 02:07:08 PM
I find it funny when spur routes are actually given a 3di number
That's what 3di with odd first digits are for: spur routes.
I think the part you clipped (I-99:) was supposed to show that I-99 itself, not the poster, was the one making that claim.
Right, because 99 should have been a spur route and never a 2di.
And then there are those two bridges along US 1-9 Truck.
I-99 was an afterthought as originally the southern part was an upgraded freeway realignment of preexisting US 220. Don't want to bring up the Shuster thing (though interstateNG is no longer on here to lecture me anymore lol), but it is always fascinating when older freeways are later considered and added to the interstate system except I-41 in WI.
Though I-43 was added later and even the western ends of I-44 was a non interstate freeway, those are among a few that gotten upgraded already as well as I-795 in NC.
I-99, as originally envisioned, was to run from Cumberland to Corning. It's since been truncated to Bedford. Personally, and I've said this before, I think it ought to supplant I-390 and run all the way to Rochester.