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Why does the local media keep referring to the Bella Vista Bypass as I-549? It's State Highway 549 or Future I-49. :pan: :banghead:
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Same reason you felt this needed a thread.
Quote from: NE2 on January 16, 2020, 08:20:26 PM
Same reason you felt this needed a thread.
You didn't have to reply
Quote from: NE2 on January 16, 2020, 08:20:26 PM
Same reason you felt this needed a thread.
Same reason half your posts are unnecessary, irrelevant, one off comments.
Quote from: US71 on January 16, 2020, 07:19:59 PM
*RANT*
Why does the local media keep referring to the Bella Vista Bypass as I-549? It's State Highway 549 or Future I-49. :pan: :banghead:
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Because they don't care. On a similar vein, I had to stop watching the early morning news on one of the OKC stations because their traffic crawl at the bottom of the screen refers to "US66 to Downtown". 66 never went downtown so which route are they giving travel times for? And that doesn't even cover their misuse of directionals. If your trip is US77 North, you are NOT going from Edmond to Downtown. Shame on you KOCO. At least I got them to quit referring to Airport Rd as US152!!
It's actually quite common for TV newscasters to goof up highway nomenclature. A couple days ago one of the weather people down here in Lawton at KSWO referred to a state highway with an Interstate designation calling it "I-(insert number here)". In a broader sense it's a symptom of just how terrible most Americans are with grasping geography.
If Americans in general were better at geography we wouldn't see the movie industry trying to pull con jobs on us with the bizarre attempts at slight of hand they do with completely illogical locations and changes of location within a shot sequence. One example: the Jack Ryan movie "Patriot Games" has a car chase that legitimately starts out near Annapolis, MD as it is written in the script. They even get on the US-50 freeway and an I-97 sign is visible. Next thing you know: the freaking car chase is on I-105 in Los Angeles.
Quote from: Bobby5280 on January 17, 2020, 12:11:53 AM
It's actually quite common for TV newscasters to goof up highway nomenclature. A couple days ago one of the weather people down here in Lawton at KSWO referred to a state highway with an Interstate designation calling it "I-(insert number here)". In a broader sense it's a symptom of just how terrible most Americans are with grasping geography.
If Americans in general were better at geography we wouldn't see the movie industry trying to pull con jobs on us with the bizarre attempts at slight of hand they do with completely illogical locations and changes of location within a shot sequence. One example: the Jack Ryan movie "Patriot Games" has a car chase that legitimately starts out near Annapolis, MD as it is written in the script. They even get on the US-50 freeway and an I-97 sign is visible. Next thing you know: the freaking car chase is on I-105 in Los Angeles.
So, there was a Cannonball Run in the middle of the chase scene that was glossed over? :wow:
There are those in the DFW area (mostly print but some others are guilty too) that call US 75, "I-75". It is very irritating, but, as posted before, those out there in error don't care, or don't think it matters. One good reason to bring I-45 northward, so maybe everyone will at least get that right....
Apparently, some people (such as the media), can't tell the difference between a state highway, a US highway, and an Interstate highway. Luckily they have us AARoads forum posters to set them straight.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on January 21, 2020, 06:23:04 PM
Apparently, some people (such as the media), can't tell the difference between a state highway, a US highway, and an Interstate highway. Luckily they have us AARoads forum posters to set them straight.
As I have multiple times
I-49 finally got a 3di!
I have found not one.. but two instances of media calling US-65 Interstate 65 in Missouri. It likely has to do with it's expressway status in the Springfield area and the fact it is busier than I-44 Between JRF and I-44.
https://www.ttnews.com/articles/mid-america-states-receive-aashto-transportation-awards (https://www.ttnews.com/articles/mid-america-states-receive-aashto-transportation-awards) <-- Not only is it not an Interstate, the picture was taken in Arkansas! (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2952255,-93.191993,3a,15y,52.74h,89.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEVyQvTQq88iR_BrKFAMsBg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Diverging-diamond-opens-at-Hwy-CC-and-US-65-384472141.html (https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Diverging-diamond-opens-at-Hwy-CC-and-US-65-384472141.html) <-- the video had I-65 as the bottom header, but it appears it has been taken down.
Now that's what you call fake news! :bigass:
Quote from: -- US 175 -- on January 17, 2020, 10:47:54 AM
There are those in the DFW area (mostly print but some others are guilty too) that call US 75, "I-75". It is very irritating, but, as posted before, those out there in error don't care, or don't think it matters. One good reason to bring I-45 northward, so maybe everyone will at least get that right....
Oklahoma thinks so. On the other hand, I-45 Is supposed to go to Amarillo and Denver. (114 & 287)
Quote from: ozarkman417 on January 21, 2020, 07:50:50 PM
I-49 finally got a 3di!
I have found not one.. but two instances of media calling US-65 Interstate 65 in Missouri. It likely has to do with it's expressway status in the Springfield area and the fact it is busier than I-44 Between JRF and I-44.
https://www.ttnews.com/articles/mid-america-states-receive-aashto-transportation-awards (https://www.ttnews.com/articles/mid-america-states-receive-aashto-transportation-awards) <-- Not only is it not an Interstate, the picture was taken in Arkansas! (https://www.google.com/maps/@36.2952255,-93.191993,3a,15y,52.74h,89.66t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEVyQvTQq88iR_BrKFAMsBg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Diverging-diamond-opens-at-Hwy-CC-and-US-65-384472141.html (https://www.ky3.com/content/news/Diverging-diamond-opens-at-Hwy-CC-and-US-65-384472141.html) <-- the video had I-65 as the bottom header, but it appears it has been taken down.
Now that's what you call fake news! :bigass:
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Quote from: bwana39 on February 11, 2020, 05:39:26 PM
Quote from: -- US 175 -- on January 17, 2020, 10:47:54 AM
There are those in the DFW area (mostly print but some others are guilty too) that call US 75, "I-75". It is very irritating, but, as posted before, those out there in error don't care, or don't think it matters. One good reason to bring I-45 northward, so maybe everyone will at least get that right....
Oklahoma thinks so. On the other hand, I-45 Is supposed to go to Amarillo and Denver. (114 & 287)
Haven't heard anything like that outside of some proposals over in Fictional. And most of those speculative proposals for US 287 come with an even number in the 30's attached.
Has anyone (including US71) actually met a newsdesk person at their local TV station? Do you know any personally?
They are paid to read a prompter above the camera lens and make small talk with the person next to them. They aren't paid to actually *know* what they are reading.
Second, none of them write their own prompter script. That is done by someone else in the newsroom.
Third, many newsdesk people are not from the city they work. If they are like most, the city they are in is simply a stepping point to a station in a larger market.
Therefore they are not motivated to know the local geography.
Even in large cities, most newsdesk people live in condos within walking distance of the studios. If you asked them to drive to an airport, they would rely on the taxi/uber to take them.
Quote from: bwana39 on February 11, 2020, 05:39:26 PM
Quote from: -- US 175 -- on January 17, 2020, 10:47:54 AM
There are those in the DFW area (mostly print but some others are guilty too) that call US 75, "I-75". It is very irritating, but, as posted before, those out there in error don't care, or don't think it matters. One good reason to bring I-45 northward, so maybe everyone will at least get that right....
Oklahoma thinks so. On the other hand, I-45 Is supposed to go to Amarillo and Denver. (114 & 287)
I would rather see I-45 extended to Tulsa and Bartlesville. A new interstate between OKC and Denver going NW through Woodward and Guymon where it continues to Denver. Amarillo could be connected with an I-27 extension to Guymon. This area is pretty cool and with the right infrastructure it would be cool to see Guymon become a mid sized city within the century's end.
Quote from: edwaleni on February 12, 2020, 03:59:53 PM
Has anyone (including US71) actually met a newsdesk person at their local TV station? Do you know any personally?
They are paid to read a prompter above the camera lens and make small talk with the person next to them. They aren't paid to actually *know* what they are reading.
Second, none of them write their own prompter script. That is done by someone else in the newsroom.
Third, many newsdesk people are not from the city they work. If they are like most, the city they are in is simply a stepping point to a station in a larger market.
Therefore they are not motivated to know the local geography.
Even in large cities, most newsdesk people live in condos within walking distance of the studios. If you asked them to drive to an airport, they would rely on the taxi/uber to take them.
I used to know a couple, but they've retired or have moved on.
Last one I had contact with was Rob Smith/Gridlock Guru, but his job was eliminated. He know works for one of the area planning agencies.
The "local" TV weather people are based in Fayetteville as is the rest of the new staff, especially sports.
Quote from: edwaleni on February 12, 2020, 03:59:53 PM
Has anyone (including US71) actually met a newsdesk person at their local TV station? Do you know any personally?
A local TV meteorologist is a member of a few road-related Facebook groups that I am in.
Quote from: edwaleniHas anyone (including US71) actually met a newsdesk person at their local TV station? Do you know any personally?
They are paid to read a prompter above the camera lens and make small talk with the person next to them. They aren't paid to actually *know* what they are reading.
Second, none of them write their own prompter script. That is done by someone else in the newsroom.
I've known people who work in local TV & Radio stations, including news anchors. Some of that comes from having worked
behind the camera at a TV station before. Contrary to the popular cultural stereotype the "talking head" news anchors are not all idiots. But it is true many of them lead a very nomadic life, moving from one TV station job to the next. OTOH, it's also fairly common for some news anchors to actually be from the town where they work. Even still, local residents commonly goof up highway nomenclature. Americans in general tend to suck at geography.
Next, the job of writing copy really depends on the TV station and size of viewing market. I can tell you with authority that in many smaller markets the on set anchors are not exempt from having to write copy, work in the edit bay on stories, etc. Now if a news person gets a job in a major TV market, such as Dallas, the anchors won't be doing much copy writing or editing. However they usually try to read through what they'll be reading live before the newscast.
Quote from: bwana39Oklahoma thinks so. On the other hand, I-45 Is supposed to go to Amarillo and Denver. (114 & 287)
Quote from: sparkerHaven't heard anything like that outside of some proposals over in Fictional. And most of those speculative proposals for US 287 come with an even number in the 30's attached.
Most often I've seen "I-32" mentioned for the Amarillo to Fort Worth segment of US-287. Additionally, if was up to me the Interstate designation would follow US-287 from Amarillo down through Fort Worth and down through the South side of the DFW area over to where US-287 runs into I-45 at Ennis.
TX-114 could eventually be turned into a full blown Interstate from US-287 at Rhome down into downtown Dallas at I-35E. But TX DOT really has to get ahead of all the development now starting to crop up along TX-114 to the West of the Texas Motor Speedway and I-35W. Even the interchange at I-35W and TX-114 is going to end up being a permanent volleyball if they don't start doing something soon.
Quote from: Plutonic PandaI would rather see I-45 extended to Tulsa and Bartlesville. A new interstate between OKC and Denver going NW through Woodward and Guymon where it continues to Denver. Amarillo could be connected with an I-27 extension to Guymon. This area is pretty cool and with the right infrastructure it would be cool to see Guymon become a mid sized city within the century's end.
For a very long time I've considered Oklahoma City to Denver as a major missing spoke in the Interstate highway system. OTOH, I wouldn't have such a road go through Guymon. That would be well out of the way. If you draw a straight line from Limon, CO (where such a route would logically begin) and run it to Woodward, OK the line won't come anywhere near Guymon.
Starting from Limon, CO I'd have this route (I'd call it "I-46") parallel US-40 down to Kit Carson and then begin a diagonal new terrain path. The direct diagonal would take it to Syracuse, KS and to Sublette, which is halfway between Liberal and Garden City. Then it would skirt South of Meade, KS and Buffalo, OK. It would merge into US-183 going into Fort Supply and then on into Woodward. Closer to Oklahoma City I'd have a new terrain route built between Watonga and Okarche. The end result would be a
direct OKC to Denver route considerably shorter than any "L"-shaped routes sticking to the dopey grid out there in the plains. And it would be a route that would allow for some pretty high highway speeds, 80 or 85 as posted speed limits. I think the route is also good enough that it should be considered in any future high speed rail network plans.
Quote from: Bobby5280 on February 13, 2020, 01:34:30 PM
Next, the job of writing copy really depends on the TV station and size of viewing market. I can tell you with authority that in many smaller markets the on set anchors are not exempt from having to write copy, work in the edit bay on stories, etc. Now if a news person gets a job in a major TV market, such as Dallas, the anchors won't be doing much copy writing or editing. However they usually try to read through what they'll be reading live before the newscast.
I did a lot of "rip & read" for the college radio station.
Quote from: -- US 175 -- on January 17, 2020, 10:47:54 AM
There are those in the DFW area (mostly print but some others are guilty too) that call US 75, "I-75". It is very irritating, but, as posted before, those out there in error don't care, or don't think it matters. One good reason to bring I-45 northward, so maybe everyone will at least get that right....
I'm going to start calling it "The 75", to tick off both sides.
Quote from: -- US 175 -- on January 17, 2020, 10:47:54 AM
There are those in the DFW area (mostly print but some others are guilty too) that call US 75, "I-75". It is very irritating, but, as posted before, those out there in error don't care, or don't think it matters. One good reason to bring I-45 northward, so maybe everyone will at least get that right....
Just heard an anchor this morning on one of the local morning news shows call it "I-75".
Quote from: edwaleni on February 12, 2020, 03:59:53 PM
Has anyone (including US71) actually met a newsdesk person at their local TV station? Do you know any personally?
Yes, I personally know the lead anchor for the evening news at one of the OKC stations.
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They are paid to read a prompter above the camera lens and make small talk with the person next to them. They aren't paid to actually *know* what they are reading.
Second, none of them write their own prompter script. That is done by someone else in the newsroom.
Not always true. If it is local interest, they often write (or at least edit) their own stories.
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Third, many newsdesk people are not from the city they work. If they are like most, the city they are in is simply a stepping point to a station in a larger market.
Therefore they are not motivated to know the local geography.
Even in large cities, most newsdesk people live in condos within walking distance of the studios. If you asked them to drive to an airport, they would rely on the taxi/uber to take them.
Not at all true here in OKC. The stations are all within a 2 square mile area near Britton and the Broadway Extension. The on air talent mostly live in Edmond.
My point was that one particular station has ignored my efforts to "educate" them about their pathetic traffic crawl.
Quote from: Bobby5280 on February 13, 2020, 01:34:30 PMFor a very long time I've considered Oklahoma City to Denver as a major missing spoke in the Interstate highway system. OTOH, I wouldn't have such a road go through Guymon. That would be well out of the way. If you draw a straight line from Limon, CO (where such a route would logically begin) and run it to Woodward, OK the line won't come anywhere near Guymon.
Starting from Limon, CO I'd have this route (I'd call it "I-46") parallel US-40 down to Kit Carson and then begin a diagonal new terrain path. The direct diagonal would take it to Syracuse, KS and to Sublette, which is halfway between Liberal and Garden City. Then it would skirt South of Meade, KS and Buffalo, OK. It would merge into US-183 going into Fort Supply and then on into Woodward. Closer to Oklahoma City I'd have a new terrain route built between Watonga and Okarche. The end result would be a direct OKC to Denver route considerably shorter than any "L"-shaped routes sticking to the dopey grid out there in the plains. And it would be a route that would allow for some pretty high highway speeds, 80 or 85 as posted speed limits. I think the route is also good enough that it should be considered in any future high speed rail network plans.
I like the concept, but not the routing. I'd follow SH-74 up to Enid to serve the AFB and better serve NW OKC suburbs, and then diagonal up to Dodge City for the meat plants. Then I'd follow US 50 to Lamar, cutting north and following 287 the rest of the way.
This shaves 70 miles off the routes from Houston and Dallas, 160 miles off the all-Interstate route from the Texas metropolises, and 120 miles off the route from OKC.
Quote from: TXtoNJI like the concept, but not the routing. I'd follow SH-74 up to Enid to serve the AFB and better serve NW OKC suburbs, and then diagonal up to Dodge City for the meat plants. Then I'd follow US 50 to Lamar, cutting north and following 287 the rest of the way.
Enid is way out of the way, even more than the earlier suggestion of Guymon. Then sending the route up to Dodge City and straight West then a hard turn North to Kit Carson would create a mostly N-S-E-W crooked grid route not worth building at all. The industry in Dodge City is already well served by a major rail head.
If an Interstate 549 were truly proposed, where would one put it? I have three potential places, all overlapping existing routes. 1. Along the US 167 freeway in Alexandria. 2. A renumbering of LA-3132 in Shreveport (although maybe if that road got an Interstate designation, it would be an even-numbered X-49 3di, or an extension of existing Interstate 220). 3. A renumbering of AR/TX 151 in Texarkana. Does anyone have any thoughts about where they might put a theoretical Interstate 549?
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 19, 2020, 06:29:23 PM
If an Interstate 549 were truly proposed, where would one put it? I have three potential places, all overlapping existing routes. 1. Along the US 167 freeway in Alexandria. 2. A renumbering of LA-3132 in Shreveport (although maybe if that road got an Interstate designation, it would be an even-numbered X-49 3di, or an extension of existing Interstate 220). 3. A renumbering of AR/TX 151 in Texarkana. Does anyone have any thoughts about where they might put a theoretical Interstate 549?
I-49 is one of the only "major" interstates without a three-digit interstate route. If US 412 stayed in town, the Springdale Northern Bypass would be a candidate, if it were a fully fledged freeway, and if the whole thing ever gets built.
As I-49 has no 3dis, this leaves 149 and 349 and option, and with there already being a I-540 near I-49, 149 or 349 would be the better choice if there was ever a 3di in AR, IMO.
As far as even numbers go, MO 249 would be a candidate if the interchange up by Carthage gets upgraded.
Quote from: ozarkman417 on February 19, 2020, 06:50:14 PM
I-49 is one of the only "major" interstates without a three-digit interstate route. If US 412 stayed in town, the Springdale Northern Bypass would be a candidate, if it were a fully fledged freeway, and if the whole thing ever gets built.
As I-49 has no 3dis, this leaves 149 and 349 and option, and with there already being a I-540 near I-49, 149 or 349 would be the better choice if there was ever a 3di in AR, IMO.
As far as even numbers go, MO 249 would be a candidate if the interchange up by Carthage gets upgraded.
I've heard conflicting info on that. Some say it will eventually be 49 which would connect with current 49 somewhere north of I-44. I don't see that happening in my lifetime.
The stub over to US 71 in Missouri that will be left when the Bella Vista Bypass is complete could be a short I-149.
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LA 3132 is right now to the west of I-49 the preferred Temporary route to reach I-49 north of I-220. It wouldn't be terrible to call it I-249 now, which might make more sense than extending I-220 around. It could be seen as similar to 270/255 around St. Louis.
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I'd hold off on anything with AR 612. Who knows if they'll ever do much more with that. I guess if you want an I-odd49, that could be. Better just to let it become US 412 someday.
Quote from: sturmde on February 22, 2020, 02:42:55 PM
The stub over to US 71 in Missouri that will be left when the Bella Vista Bypass is complete could be a short I-149.
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Disagree. It's not fully controlled access.
Theoretically, 71 through Bella Vista should have been controlled access, but AHTD/ARDOT let it be commercially developed.
ARDOT:: planning for yesterday next week.
Quote from: US71 on February 22, 2020, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: sturmde on February 22, 2020, 02:42:55 PM
The stub over to US 71 in Missouri that will be left when the Bella Vista Bypass is complete could be a short I-149.
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Disagree. It's not fully controlled access.
Theoretically, 71 through Bella Vista should have been controlled access, but AHTD/ARDOT let it be commercially developed.
ARDOT:: planning for yesterday next week.
I only refer to the segment in Missouri that will be leftover that connects I-49 to US 71 (presuming US 71 in Missouri is restored to its original routing.). Not on into Arkansas. Agree with your sentiment about Arkansas planning though!
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Quote from: sturmde on February 28, 2020, 11:18:03 PM
Quote from: US71 on February 22, 2020, 02:55:07 PM
Quote from: sturmde on February 22, 2020, 02:42:55 PM
The stub over to US 71 in Missouri that will be left when the Bella Vista Bypass is complete could be a short I-149.
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Disagree. It's not fully controlled access.
Theoretically, 71 through Bella Vista should have been controlled access, but AHTD/ARDOT let it be commercially developed.
ARDOT:: planning for yesterday next week.
I only refer to the segment in Missouri that will be leftover that connects I-49 to US 71 (presuming US 71 in Missouri is restored to its original routing.). Not on into Arkansas. Agree with your sentiment about Arkansas planning though!
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Are you referring to current 71 south of the (future) 49 junction? That's not controlled access. There are 2-3 side roads, plus the NB to SB U Turn.
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Although technically an even-prefixed 3di would be more appropriate for placing an Interstate designation on TX/AR Loop 151, I wouldn't be surprised if "I-349" were to be eventually applied there -- sort of a composite route indicating a connector between I-49 and I-369 but "honoring" both with its number.
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 19, 2020, 06:29:23 PM
If an Interstate 549 were truly proposed, where would one put it? I have three potential places, all overlapping existing routes. 1. Along the US 167 freeway in Alexandria. 2. A renumbering of LA-3132 in Shreveport (although maybe if that road got an Interstate designation, it would be an even-numbered X-49 3di, or an extension of existing Interstate 220). 3. A renumbering of AR/TX 151 in Texarkana. Does anyone have any thoughts about where they might put a theoretical Interstate 549?
The Pineville Expressway is already signed as US 167 (which also follows I-49 from its terminus interchange there south to the US 71/US 167/MacArthur Drive interchange). I'm not sure that it's completely up to Interstate standards; no real need for an I-x49 shield there.
AR/TX 151 might become a even numbered I-x49 connector between I-49 and US 59/Future I-369, but more than likely it will stay a state route.
I don't see the Springdale Bypass, when completed, as anything other than US 412.
Quote from: Anthony_JK on February 29, 2020, 09:22:04 AM
Quote from: The Ghostbuster on February 19, 2020, 06:29:23 PM
If an Interstate 549 were truly proposed, where would one put it? I have three potential places, all overlapping existing routes. 1. Along the US 167 freeway in Alexandria. 2. A renumbering of LA-3132 in Shreveport (although maybe if that road got an Interstate designation, it would be an even-numbered X-49 3di, or an extension of existing Interstate 220). 3. A renumbering of AR/TX 151 in Texarkana. Does anyone have any thoughts about where they might put a theoretical Interstate 549?
The Pineville Expressway is already signed as US 167 (which also follows I-49 from its terminus interchange there south to the US 71/US 167/MacArthur Drive interchange). I'm not sure that it's completely up to Interstate standards; no real need for an I-x49 shield there.
AR/TX 151 might become a even numbered I-x49 connector between I-49 and US 59/Future I-369, but more than likely it will stay a state route.
I don't see the Springdale Bypass, when completed, as anything other than US 412.
I can see that.
The Springdale bypass doesn't need to be an interstate.
I have proposed in the past that the Fulbright Expressway in Fayetteville could be an I-149. It is currently designated as US 71B, which is dumb because US 71B has an interchange with itself.
Quote from: bugo on March 01, 2020, 05:36:20 AM
The Springdale bypass doesn't need to be an interstate.
I have proposed in the past that the Fulbright Expressway in Fayetteville could be an I-149. It is currently designated as US 71B, which is dumb because US 71B has an interchange with itself.
I'm not sure what ARDOT calls that. It was Spur 471 (unposted) at one point. It's likely a "spur" of some kind since NB it's 71B, SB it's to I-49. But that will change in a few years once 71B is turned over to the cities.